LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Thanksgiving Eve

Good morning Angels fans, how are you today? Have some links why don’t you?

Angels News

After getting a new reliever, Perry has stated that this won’t replace Raisel and that he is still in talks with him.

Shohei Ohtani is the ALL MLB DH! These “All X” things have confused me forever.

BOOM!
Hey D-Cell made it too!

Gausman is also on Perry’s radar and he also wants to get a deal done soon. Black Friday this please!

Around Baseball

Steven Matz has an offer from the Angels (amongst others) and is looking to sign this week! Aaaaaaand he chose St. Louis. Darn.

The Rays actually paid to keep their star player around for once. It was not cheap at all. This is so unlike them that the contract equals their budget the last 4 years combined.

White Sox get Graveman. Free agency isn’t dead yet after all.

Baltimore shopping Means. He struggled in the second half, may be cheaper than many realize.

Reds shopping Sonny Gray. He is actually available, unlike their other pitchers.

Oh yeah, the ALL MLB team has been revealed. Ohtani is on there twice!

2 Way Shohei

Anything i missed? Post below for upvotes!

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matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Twebur

Competition for Maitan? But sure, more depth is good.

Designerguy
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Twebur

Lettuce hope he can pitch

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Designerguy

Hopefully limited greens were provided him, we need it for pitching

Designerguy
Super Member
1 day ago

We’ve bean down this road before.

red floyd
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Designerguy

As I recall we went romaine down it.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  red floyd

We started out all fresh and crisp, but ended up sauerkraut.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 days ago

 🦃  Happy Thanksgiving all of our Angels Family here, enjoy family, food, and football and stay safe.  🦃 

h27kim
Trusted Member
2 days ago

Thank you, Gramps!

Mia
Super Member
Mia
2 days ago

Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving!

Fansince1971
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Thanks Mia. You too!

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Thanks Mia. Happy Thanksgiving CTPG. Yes even you 2002.

h27kim
Trusted Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Thank you, Mia. You, too, and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on CTPG, also!!

Last edited 2 days ago by h27kim
Brent
Trusted Member
2 days ago

No chance Franco completes even half that contract in TB/Montreal .

steelgolf
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Brent

Wander will play over yonder?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  steelgolf

It’s good to see Xander Bogaurt’s successor under contract already.

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
2 days ago

Remember Perry wasn’t very good at whatever secret analytics voo doo that the Rays, As, Dodgers and now Giants implore in their pitchers. The Angels are not in the business of taking pitchers who are kind of average results and making them great. So I wouldn’t cry over Delscafini, Ray or Gausman. Perry has to realize his limitations and just get guys who can pitch it regardless of the franchise they’re a part of. We saw that in his atrocious handling of the “run prevention” priority he mentioned last offseason.

Cobb worked out a bit because of the Madden connection and left over Rays magic. Syndergaard can throw so they’re gambling on health and some minor tweaks as he will be back to ace-ish performance.

On the trade market they need guys who know how to pitch already. There’s only so much development this org can do. I say he just goes all in on developing the pitchers in the minors and not trying to pretend to be the Giants.

As far as the offense, it’s pretty clear Perry thinks Rendon and Trout will be healthy. Throw in Ohtani and Walsh adjusted to 162 season, that really should be the core of your offense. Is it really necessary to add another starting bat? Marsh and Fletch should really be working on OBP and Adell continue to work at on his . He does need to find someone that can field the SS position and a pinch hit bat off the bench.

Last edited 2 days ago by DMAGZ13
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DMAGZ13

I agree with the main idea you put out here. I don’t think we need more offense and shouldn’t spend all that much on it. I am also all for buying starters for now and focusing on developing the young arms right… though this would mean the dreaded “short term pitcher deal”.

I do disagree with the idea that the Angel’s can’t develop anyone at the MLB level. I think they need to pick a pitching coach, any pitching coach, and surround him with guys, maybe like the Driveline guy we hired and some other guys from other orgs who focus on pitching, and then bring in MLB pitchers they have a clear plan for.

Cobb wasn’t an accident. He spent years sucking in Baltimore post Rays magic. Ohtani, who’s abilities are similar to Thors, could have been a disaster and wasn’t. Suarez, Sandoval even Barria to an extent. MLB level tweeking can be done and they might as well try it, but not rely on it completely.

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 days ago

Cobb claims that Driveline helped reestablish his fastball last offseason which led to his resurgence with the Angels. Even Ohtani admitted in other interviews that he went there for instruction and training last offseason ( although he would not give any other specifics) . Maybe the new driveline guy worked with these guy before he came on board with the Angels?

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 days ago

We have lots of offense if we’re healthy. I’ll be very satisfied with defense from SS and/or catcher.

I grew up with the Mets of the 60s and that’s still a great model. Bud Harrelson wasn’t a potent force at the plate but he could field. That was good enough for a team that had solid pitching. Seaver, Koosman, Gentry, with Ryan in the pen. You know that story.

So if we end up with this new guy at short but spend the big money on pitching we’ll be well off. After all, we’ve been crying about pitching for years.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

I liked having a strong bench last year. I just didn’t like having it play 1/2 our total innings or what ever it had to cover. It looks like we’ll have a pretty strong bench this year too, depending on who we get to catch. That’s nice.

I’m not actually all that worried about Ol’ Cheap n Evil not signing any pitchers to long term deals. Sure, that may have been intentional back when he still had to get Weaver, Wilson, Burnett, Street etc off his books while all our young arms like Heaney, Richards and Skaggs failed to become anything, but do any of the guys writing this think Arte was like “Corbin, Wheeler, Cole, Bauer…. offer them one year contracts, I’m sure those will be hard to resist. Wait, what do you mean Strausburg wants more than one year!?!”

You’d think if I were, you know, a professional journalist with many laminated items in my desk, I’d remember that I had typed sentences like “The Angels are in on…..” in the past, but nope, apparently real professionals don’t work that way.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 days ago

It’s hard to tell if something is sarcasm. Strong bench (Lagares, Suzuki, Wong, Mayfield) might be a joke. I’m not sure.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
2 days ago

Well, Fangraphs has it as Upton, Gosselin, Mayfield and Thaiss. We have Rengifo/Velasquez as options intead of the Captain (if you like, or the Plumber, I suppose). Ward is also listed in AAA.

That seems better than last year, right? Is it ‘pretty strong’ – I don’t know – but even as is it is an improvement.

(This assumes, per Fangraphs, that Wade is our starting SS.)

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 days ago

Fangraphs also has our starting shortstop as Tyler Wade when I thought his strength was as a super utility guy?

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I agree. I am hoping that SS is a camp competition, and that they invite a few vets on minor league deals with a hope for a contract.

That said, even this group seems better than the 2B competition that Giovatella ‘won’ a few years ago – so still think we are in a better spot.

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 days ago

I’m more concerned about the defense at the SS position than the lack of offense. Neither of our recent additions ( Wade or Velasquez) are well liked at short through published defensive metrics. Nor did Capt Jack for that matter. The only good defensive numbers (small sample size alerts) were unfortunately from Rengifo

h27kim
Trusted Member
2 days ago

No defensively minded OF? That is not good….

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

You gotta remember that you just experienced the misery of an entire season of bench. If our starters were mostly intact last year a bench of Lugares, Suzuki, Gosselin, Mayfield, Ward and Rengifo would have been pretty strong. Problem is that that bench is meant to cover 300-500 innings in total, not 400 total games.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 days ago

absolutely agree

2002heaven
Trusted Member
3 days ago

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We’re not allowed to have good pitching……..we didn’t in 2019 when Gerritt Cole and Hyun Jin Ryu headlined the SPFA market so what makes CTPG think I’m gonna pursue good SP’s this time?  💩  💩  😭 

Fansince1971
Super Member
3 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

2002 – I’d enjoy a little insight into your life. Is there anything but bitterness? Are there happy times at all? From all of these angry posts, I picture you almost like the unibomber – in a little dark space with no windows and the light of images on your computer projected onto your sunken eyes. Do you sleep? Do you dream anything but angry things? On Thanksgiving Eve why not change it up a bit and tell us what you are thankful for – not to mention give yourself a break from all the bile. In the big scheme of things, this is just baseball. It’s unhealthy to be so single and angrily focused.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Stick to the topic PLZ.
So Matz, DeSclafani both basically signed for half of what we’re paying Syndergard………Un-fucking believable. Yep we have a 75 yr old GM who also happens to be a billionaire. Heck we could signed both of these guys and been done already. This is just damm stupid. I was actually thinking that these guys were gonna cost about $20M a year each and both made 29 and 30 starts respectively in 2021.. Arte go try to join Jeff and Richard and start a space exploration company…..Good Gawd!!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  2002heaven

Yep. Sometimes players decide to play for other teams. Many of us have had to come to grips with this fact, most of us by the time we were 10 years old.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
2 days ago

Especially good starting pitchers apparently.
If we get Chris Bassitt, Robbie Ray, Kevin Gausman or trade for Luis Castillo then all my tears will all go away. Not holding my breath however, because we’re the Anjels and Arthur owns his fiefdom. Go Packy in 2022!!!

Last edited 2 days ago by 2002heaven
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  2002heaven

Still
Waiting
For
Your
IIWPM

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  2002heaven

Arte is asset rich and cash poor. Like it or not, Arte does not set the Angels budget based on his personal wealth, but on the cash generated by the ball club. Wail, gnash teeth, and post pictures all you want, it’s not going to change.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

The only owner I can remember who set payroll like Ahab chasing a whale is Mike Illich before he died and former Rangers owner Tom Hicks. Everyone else seems to use revenue generated by their team. It’s almost like it a business or something and they want to make money. Crazy. Evil.

It’s why I think so many CtPG people should just suck it up and become Doyers fans. Sure, there are ways to win with the money the Angels have, but to win the way some people want to, where you just buy insurance (a huge farm) and also just buy your way out of bad contracts (Bauer/Max) you have to be DoyYankSux. Some people just need to embrace their own weakness, love themselves, and go buy a blue hat. I have accepted the fact that the Angels, Mets, and Phillies are similar teams who will likely have similar track records.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Fansince1971

“Let me tell you about how we didn’t draft Anthony DiSclafani. And also about Packy Naughton’s satanic beliefs. It’s all there man, you just have to look. I’m Tooty Two and this is my duty!”
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Cowboy26
Super Member
2 days ago

With his frequent bathroom breaks and poop emojis I think you meant “doody” not “duty”

Fansince1971
Super Member
2 days ago

No kidding. What can we expect out of the guy if the team actually plays well. Will we never see 2002 in a winning season?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The Unibomber lived in a tiny one room cabin in the woods.
He had plenty of open space, just no people. A very high IQ intelligent man too, which many here say I’m not one bit of.  😎 

2pints
Trusted Member
2 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Kind of fascinating that you seem to have no issue searching for and finding positivity regarding the unibomber, but when it comes to a baseball team that exists solely for entertainment, you’re the epitome of negative day after day after day.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
2 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

You killed him, brought him back to life, and killed him again.

Ice cold. 😂

Fansince1971
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Ha!

Cowboy26
Super Member
3 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Of all the Scrooges available you pick the George C Scott version? Come on tooty two you can do better than that.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  2002heaven

Still
Waiting
For
Your
IIWPM

red floyd
Super Member
3 days ago

Bray is available? So we should get Gray instead of Curtis Granderson? Unless Granderson is available, of course…

steelgolf
Super Member
3 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

But, if you get Granderson, then you will automatically be out on any Wilsons that may be available. should they look to lock up more Rodrigui?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  steelgolf

Rodrigui are easy to find as they herd around the injured reserve. The big game is found at the Tommy John wing of Dr. Nick’s Medical Facility and Car Wash.

red floyd
Super Member
2 days ago

Minor nitpick… Rodriguii are spelled with TWO trailing i’s.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  red floyd

Thank you kind sir!

red floyd
Super Member
2 days ago

No worries. For a while, we were out of Rodriguii, so it was hard to remember how to spell it.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
3 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

What if we tried to hire Wilson Rodriguez? Does that offset?

steelgolf
Super Member
2 days ago

Yes, I think that qualifies!

red floyd
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

What about just signing Wilson? comment image

steelgolf
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Can he play short stop?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  steelgolf

He has no range and no arm. Literally.

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 days ago

but a killer game face though.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The grit, we have to think of the grit.

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
2 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

But whatever happened to Quitlan? Is he still available?

Designerguy
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Rallymanatee

Even with the messy holiday airport traffic, he still flew out to center.

red floyd
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Designerguy

I heard his flight was at 4/58

FungoAle
Super Member
3 days ago

Matz would not move the needle for me. I’d take Cobb and a few others ahead of Matz. Truthfully, I’m having difficulty seeing the Angels signing any starter for more than 2 to 3-years. Hell, maybe 2-years is the max length. Stroman wants 4 to 5-years, forget it fans, I don’t see him coming here. I’m good with that.

Marshallx89
Member
3 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I don’t think we’d want Stroman on a 5 year deal. A 4 year deal is pushing it. I could be wrong but I see his peripherals taking a nose dive by his age 34 and 35 season

Biggiswrth
Member
3 days ago
Reply to  Marshallx89

I think we have enough former Met’s players…. Question, is Taylor Walls now a viable trade option for our SS opening?

FungoAle
Super Member
3 days ago
Reply to  Marshallx89

My take as well on Stroman.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

Welcome to Major Leagues Mr. Cohen: his reaction to Matz signing with the Cards 😝

https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1463505594887852032?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Last edited 3 days ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
3 days ago

He’s new, he’ll learn.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 days ago

Hahaaa, now let’s see Baez sign with the Angels or the Red Sox. Mets really want him back.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 days ago

Maybe, just maybe if he would have got his s%&t together and had a GM AND manager in place before the off season began, he wouldn’t be so upset.

red floyd
Super Member
3 days ago

Has Cohen ever met Boras?

steelgolf
Super Member
3 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

 😄 

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  red floyd

Wasn’t his last GM actually an agent? Regardless, Billy will fix it all. He’ll plug the gaps in the Mets rotation through Black Friday sales and picking through the dumpsters outside the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Cowboy26
Super Member
3 days ago

and he’ll improve their farm system from 29th to 21st in a mere 5 years

Marcotor
Member
2 days ago

“We want to look for opportunities,” Eppler said. “In my dialogue with Steve and with Sandy [Alderson], it’s evident that we’re going to have some resources behind us. So I don’t think anything eliminates itself at the outset here.”

Appears he might not have to use his dumpster-diving skills(?) as much with an owner who likely wont demand a trade for a BIG BAT! after striking out on whomever it was that gave him a boner. Then had a tantrum when said boner signed elsewhere after the “take it or leave it” offer.

RexFregosi
Trusted Member
2 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

He needs some lessons from Uncle Arte

red floyd
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

We’re so sorry, Uncle Arte, but we haven’t done a bloody thing all day!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  red floyd

Let’s go with the first verse

We’re so sorry, uncle Arte
We’re so sorry if we caused you any pain
We’re so sorry, uncle Arte
But there’s no one left at the Big A
And I believe I’m gonna rain

red floyd
Super Member
2 days ago

Admiral Aybar notified us
He had to have a bat or he couldn’t get to base
I had another look and I had a cup of beer and an Angel Dog

Marshallx89
Member
3 days ago

I’m glad we didn’t get Matz. I know the more arms the better, but I just feel he has regression written all over him

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
3 days ago

Tyler Wade!!!!! Yeehaw. That should put us over the top.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Trusted Member
2 days ago

Tyler Wade and we got it made! It’s the new Tippecanoe and Tyler too.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
2 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Expecting good things from Tyler*, but I expect Tippecanoe to get injured in Spring Training.

*Of course, I meant the other Tyler, the one in the pen.

Last edited 2 days ago by matthiasstephan
red floyd
Super Member
2 days ago

Don’t forget Harrison, but he’ll only play for about 3 hours before dropping dead.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  red floyd

William Henry Harrison?

red floyd
Super Member
2 days ago

He was Tippecanoe.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Trusted Member
2 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Yep. Caught pneumonia giving his inaugural speech in the rain and died shortly thereafter. Buttercup!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Charles Sutton

This reminds me of all the inaugurals from way back in the day I’ve read about that sound like they were absolute mayhem unleashed. They used to basically just cook a bunch of food outdoors, a huge pile of people got drunk, and they all just descended on the White House and the Capitol and had a huge mess of a party like in a John Hughs film. No one even tried to stop it. Andrew Jackson’s inaugural sounds like it was full on Barter Town.

The 20th Amendment was meant to shorten the lame duck months of a Presidency, but one of it’s pleasant side effects for politicians is it moved everything to the dead of winter and helped tamp down the wildness of the partying that happened when it was in early March…. in theory.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  red floyd

Ah yes, you are correct. I was only two when the Battle of Tippecanoe took place, so my memory has faded a bit…..

red floyd
Super Member
2 days ago

A Senator should know that  😎 

Designerguy
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

To be fair, his GPA is zero point zero.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Designerguy

But my equestrian skills are unsurpassed

red floyd
Super Member
2 days ago

Not to mention your pirating skills.

Designerguy
Super Member
2 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

His zit impressions are world class

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