LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Too Many Shots?

Brandon Marsh is one of the hottest rookies in baseball.

The Angels called up Oliver Ortega and Luis Rengifo and placed Patrick Sandoval on the 60 day injured list.

Too Many Shots 

Zack Scott, the General Manager of the Mets is facing a DWI charge in New York. I guess this is a case of too many shots.  He’s the successor to Jared Porter.  The Mets are having really bad luck with their General Managers. 

Too Few Shots

John Smoltz and Al Leiter must now work from home since they refuse to take a vaccine against COVID-19. 

Bob Boone is resigning from his job in the Nationals front office rather than taking the vaccine. 

An unnamed trainer for the Nationals got fired because he won’t take the shot. 

Injuries

Jon Gray of the Rockies has come down with the dreaded forearm tightness

Here is another little league bad move with the bat

Kenta Maeda had Tommy John surgery.

Transactions

Jerry Dipoto was promoted to President of Baseball Operations and extended.  Scott Servais also received a multi-year extension. 

The Athletics selected Khris Davis, so he’s once again playing in Oakland. 

The Astros signed Drew Butera to add to their collection of former Angels catchers. 

Cam Bedrosian made it back to the big leagues.

Miscellaneous

I am guessing that Trevor Bauer’s suspension will magically be long enough that the Dodgers can get out of paying him any more money. 

Managers just can’t stop pulling Blake Snell out of games he is dominating

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago

Tri-City, 2021 pick, Glenn Albanese roughed up for the first time in 5 outings. 3 innings, 6 hits, 3 runs, 1 walk, 2 K’s, 1 WP, Pitch count 60/33, groundout/fly 5/0

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago

Trash Panda news flash……Ryan Smith, 7 innings, 0 runs, 0 walks, 9 K’s, 100/71 pitch count, groundout/fly 7/3……9-0 win.

Last edited 1 month ago by Twebur
GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago

If I were advising Shohei about signing contract I would have him put the signing on hold. If he has 2 big seasons back to back I think there would be Trout or Rendon money at least and maybe a bit more.

At some point no matter the self induced cap by owners it will never be enough to save them from themselves without a hard cap. At the end of the line of consideration is the fans paying the freight at the gate and food and drink along with the gift shop and other things. Can or will the fans go along with this “Bump” in prices?

James
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Ohtani did Ruthian type stuff this year and kept this team in the headlines. Broke records etc. he is getting paid and in no way compares to Rendon.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  James

Who is going to pay him more than Trout makes after just 1 “Ruthian” season. Mets, Yankees, Cubs going to go to what 40 million for 10 yrs? If Shohei can go two in a row then maybe that 40 mil per for ten. Cubs have been shedding payroll but both NY teams may not have room. The only others are Seattle or Giants.

Rendon makes 35 million a season after this season for 5 more years.
Trout is pulling down 37.5 a season.
Upton 28 million next season.

100 million for 3 player’s on a payroll budget of 185 million is going to have weak pitching.

James
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Rendon was obviously a bad move.

rosstrade
Member
1 month ago

Shohei is having a great season this year at the MLB level.

But, he’s been playing great baseball since high school and in the Japan Leagues.

The Yanks or the Mariners will pay him Trout money if Shohei can stay healthy.

Can the Angels keep Sho? I hope so because I’ve been a Halos fan since 1961′

That’s right. 1961.

It would be great seeing the Sho, Mikey, Walsh, and the guys with a revamped pitching staff compete at a high level for the next few years.

The only thing that worries me?

Arte Moreno.

rosstrade
Member
1 month ago

The thing with Shohei is that he is a different kind of animal.

He’ll take less to be in the right situation.

He opted to come to the MLB in the US early giving up a much bigger payday than if he had held out for 2 more seasons.

Shohei is making at least 6.5 million per year in endorsements (for example Hugo Boss). And probably more.

Shohei doesn’t need 40 million a year to be happy. He wanted to play with Trout. He wants to win a World Series. He’ll play for less.

I’ve been following Shohei since his high school days. I’m a big fan. He’s a high character guy.

I’m not a big fan of Arte Moreno. He’s a very low character kind of guy.

Our biggest threat to losing Shohei is the biggest asshole on the planet, Arte Moreno…

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Arte doesn’t have a criminal record, he’s a faithful husband, hard worker, spends huge amounts of money on this team, donates millions of dollars over the years to charities. How is he even close to being the biggest ahole on the planet? What a weird and creepy thing to say.

Please enlighten me.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
1 month ago

just reading this

https://www.mlb.com/news/looming-question-for-every-mlb-team

about 2022 and the Angels question is “will Raisel be brought back?” I’m going to guess not. His salary would double and we’re more likely to see a long-term Ohtani deal than any spending elsewhere. Just my feeling.

Fansince1971
Super Member
1 month ago

He’s coming back. Irreplaceable. Of course that’s just my hope.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

How many of his saves would have been saves with the relief pitchers that we have presented this season? My guess is less than half, which is about 15 wins. I agree with you we would like for him to return the team. We are all aware that we need Raisel back on this team.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago

Hope Arte is in a giving mood this off-season. We deserve some nice things.

Bl0chead
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Getting the vaccine is a personal choice in the same way that wearing a seatbelt is a personal choice or driving drunk is, but mercifully, we have laws to protect against idiots who choose not to do those things. You’re being extremely naive or dishonest if you truly believe someone can just remove themselves from any social interaction and live as a recluse indefinitely.

In general, I keep seeing the same circle of people on here(a baseball blog no less) stirring the pot in the same direction regarding the issue of vaccines and while you claim to not be anti-vaxx, you’re at the very least, entertaining many of the idiotic talking points that these people are expounding. It’s a really shitty that the mods have allowed this to continue.

Also, without revealing to much about myself, and i don’t claim to be an expert in the field or virologist, I’m at least adjacent to a lot those folks as a junior researcher at one of the labs that contributed to the work done in the last few decades that eventually led to the development of the vaccine, so I’m a bit more knowledgeable about the subject than most here. No one here has yet to provide anything approaching a reputable source, let alone several peer-reviewed studies, to back up the bullshit FB misinformation they’ve been regurgitating on this site

Let’s just stick to Angels baseball, our shitty 2021 team, and our shittier owner

Thanks

Last edited 1 month ago by Bl0chead
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Bl0chead

Here are the two comments that kicked off the shitshow this time….

“One last posting. Getting the vaccine for Covid is a choice, and one we all have to make. But in the end one side or the other are going to be proved right.”

responded to with….

I just got a post on my facebook from Eisenhower Health in Palm Desert. They mention they have had 10 Covid fatalities in the last week, all persons that were unvaccinated. They mention since they have been administering the vaccine (I’m guessing February, that’s when I got my first shot), they have had zero admissions for vaccine complications. I kind of think that argument’s over.”

also, lower down the line…

I always admired Bob “Big Hands” Boone. Just lost some respect for him. Sad”

So yeah, you’re right, if only we could get those ant-vaxxers to just stop starting arguments about the vaccine with their vacuous moralistic cramming of the topic onto a baseball blog all the time we could all just have a good time.

Bl0chead
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Dude, I’m not here to debate the finer points of some OC Boomer’s unsupported beliefs about COVID, the vaccine,”natural anti-bodies”, blood pH or whatever random bull people are going to pull out of their ass on here

I want to discuss and debate them about why Jose Iglesias is a shitty player or why Joe Maddon can’t effectively manage his pitching staff.

I’m asking for site admins/ mods for accountability and moderation of their baseball blog and rein-in some of the other nonsense.

That’s it

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Bl0chead

That would be fantastic. My point is that, even when you say that’s all you want on this site you preface it with…

“Dude, I’m not here to debate the finer points of some OC Boomer’s unsupported beliefs about COVID, the vaccine,”natural anti-bodies”, blood pH or whatever random bull people are going to pull out of their ass on here.”

or

Getting the vaccine is a personal choice in the same way that wearing a seatbelt is a personal choice or driving drunk is, but mercifully, we have laws to protect against idiots who choose not to do those things. You’re being extremely naive or dishonest if you truly believe someone can just remove themselves from any social interaction and live as a recluse indefinitely.”

If you want the site to stick to baseball and you start that request with paragraphs like that you are either naïve or dishonest. Now I could be totally misreading this, but it looks like you (and people like you) want to be able to say what ever you want about certain people (right or wrong I don’t care) and then start yelling about moderating the site if those people respond to you.

I don’t care if they are crack pots, unless there’s something I am totally missing, that’s a punk ass move.

Bl0chead
Trusted Member
1 month ago

People like me, huh? You mean people who work in the science and health field that are trying to actively combat misinformation and those crack pot theories you mention with calls for verifiable facts or reputable sources? There are no “Two Sides” to this at all despite what you may believe.

I’m not trying to steer this debate in any direction here because it’s beyond the scope of a baseball blog. I’ve been asking time and again for the people running the site to help keep the topics relevant to the Angels and baseball, and that hasn’t happened in any discernible way. It’s irresponsible and negligent to a large degree and opens the door for this type of shitshow that you’ve alluded to.

It’s fine that you’ve taken exception to that, admittedly, uncalled for shot at one of the fanbase’s key demographics. That was unnecessary and I’m willing to walk-back my comment or apologize for any hurt feelings.

Last edited 1 month ago by Bl0chead
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Bl0chead

There are no “Two Sides” to this at all despite what you may believe.” WTF? Focus. I’m not talking about vaccines at all here.

All I’m saying is don’t open your mouth about a topic and then declare that other people shouldn’t do the same, whether either of us think they are right or not. I don’t care if you’re the f***ing Batman of battling Covid disinformation. Whether there are or are not two sides to the Covid argument is irrelevant to my point. If you want a site like this to stick to baseball you can’t log on, say what ever you want about “the other side” and then call “TIME!” and say we need to stick to baseball.

People who share your opinion seem to do that a lot around here and even though I actually share your opinion re vaccines I think it’s a twat move. I also think the over all snide & hide moralism that people show regarding this topic plays a strong part in the people you call “idiots” digging their heels in and if you don’t see that you’re either far too stupid to be trying to educate people or far too big a shit stirrer to honestly be trying to help.

I also suspect that most of this is less about informing people and bringing them on side and more about flexing for most of the people doing it. In my experience that’s what cowardly bullies do, which is why I don’t like it even if I agree with the bully’s line of thinking. Not just in your case, but a lot of people on here.

In short, if you want people to STFU and stick to baseball then feel free to kick that trend off by not sharing what ever it is you have to say no matter how important and right you think it is because, as I pointed out with the examples above, none of those crazy damn fool idiots you are so worried about corralling kicked off any of the conversations about Covid science today as is the case a lot of the time.

Bl0chead
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Sure thing, dude lol.

I’ve expressed what I wanted to say about the direction of this site and the tacit approval of content that veers too far off-topic.

I’m also not interested in one of your patented endless debates on here that you seem to get such a boner over. I’ve seen you expend countless words to make sure you always come out on top when somebody disagrees with you and I don’t have the energy or free time to humor you like some other folks do.

Enjoy the rest of your night

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Bl0chead

You have a good night too.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago

…….. is he gone?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Twebur

He may be gone, but it’s Covid, someone is always watching, and they always have important facts that you need to be told and it’s a problem if you don’t agree with them enthusiastically. You’re not one of those (insert political enemy here) are you?!?

I tell ya, if the religious fervor regarding Covid doesn’t calm down soon I’m gonna start rooting for Team Pestilence.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Bl0chead

You used the word boomer to insult someone, man. That’s so lame. I hope you’re 14 or something.

James
Trusted Member
1 month ago

I was browsing these comments and wondering why this guy was posting all this vaccine stuff. This is just asking for an argument and I am agreeing with you here. Good retorts by you.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  James

maybe we need a live Moderator….

https://youtu.be/QOLF_D7JVZM

James
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

Great idea 😂

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Bl0chead

The mods/staff were the ones who put the topic in the links. Perhaps you should speak to them directly about not linking the topic in the first place if it makes you so uncomfortable.

Further, if you just want to stick to baseball here then maybe you should not contribute to what you obviously view as a problem by adding in your own personal rant on the vaccine topic(more vehement than what others have posted today I must say). If anybody is encouraging a disrespectful exchange it would be you and the tone of what you wrote.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  JackFrost

I think the Mods are hoping we will see the links, which are Covid/Baseball related, and discuss interesting stuff like how it will effect teams, or the coming CBA, or the post season race or FO and staff rules, etc. All that’s well and good. We all just have to try not to move into broader arguments. To simplify it, I think they’d love it if we all avoided any statement that implies that someone is more “right” or more “intelligent” or what ever and stick more to wondering how a guy like Bob Boone can/can’t do his job and follow the Covid guidelines or how his leaving will effect the team.

Last edited 1 month ago by gitchogritchoffmypettis
JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago

If that is indeed what they hope (and I am by no means convinced of that…) I think it is more than a little bit naive and unrealistic. Honestly, I imagine that they expect that the conversation might very well turn into a debate of sorts. But I suspect their hope is that people will be respectful and mature and not stoop to insulting others etc or placing themselves above others as know it all experts.

Last edited 1 month ago by JackFrost
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  JackFrost

Probably is unrealistic hope. But hey, the news is the news, they just tell us the news (most of the time, even the masthead can’t resist showing their dongs on rare occasions, but it’s rare.). The way those links were phrased today was just strait story, nothing inviting conflict.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago

One last posting. Getting the vaccine for Covid is a choice, and one we all have to make. But in the end one side or the other are going to be proved right. Celebrating Tony’s DUI by naming a drinking deck area after him was right away rescinded as the White Sox took grief from their fans for being out of line for that decision. Getting away with a DUI has happened to a lot of very good people and they get lucky not killing someone and 99% never drink and drive again. But there should be tougher laws regarding the second one as three strikes and you are out does not apply.

Last edited 1 month ago by GrandpaBaseball
Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago

When I was in my DUI class they said 30% of us would be back. They also estimate you get 1 DUI for every 100 you deserve.

Granted that was 12 years ago and Uber wasn’t yet a thing. But, still, those are pretty sobering numbers.

With the advent of Uber and Lyft there’s no excuse for city folks to be driving drunk.

Jim Atkins
Trusted Member
1 month ago

I just got a post on my facebook from Eisenhower Health in Palm Desert. They mention they have had 10 Covid fatalities in the last week, all persons that were unvaccinated. They mention since they have been administering the vaccine (I’m guessing February, that’s when I got my first shot), they have had zero admissions for vaccine complications. I kind of think that argument’s over.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Jim Atkins

The couple people I know that don’t have it, and have the balls to admit it in the face of all this finger wagging, are more concerned about long term effects than short. They have eyes, they can see that people are not currently dropping dead from the vax.

Jim Atkins
Trusted Member
1 month ago

The thing is, every person that doesn’t vaccinate is a chance for Covid to mutate into something that makes Delta look like a powderpuff. This has the potential to turn into a really bad science fiction movie from the 70, but with actual dead people instead of low-budget special effects.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Jim Atkins

Ah yes, the “You never know….” argument. How’s that been working so far?

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago

Not enough people able or by choice is what brought about the Delta variant. So far as I am aware not all countries around the globe have been able to vax all their population from lack of the vaccine.

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

It’s already happened. Check the news about the “Mu” variant out of Colombia.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

Actually studies have shown that RNA type vaccines encourage the mutation of the virus EVEN MORE . In fact, There are more and more people everyday (including my daughter who had the vaccine as recently as May) who still got the COVID. This shit will be with us indefinitely and we will be dealing with every conceivable mutation from Mu, Wu, Alpha Gamma , Do Re Mi Fa or whatever. So get used to it and get used to this ongoing luddite crucifixion against those who have decided against booster shot 3.0 because its all their fault that my Uncle Billy Bob got the COVID because he ate at Dennys every Friday morning.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Possibly someday, will become part of your annual flu shot. A one stop shot.

I’ve also read, the fact it’s mutating means it’s trying to survive. That’s their only goal, to live and spread. And actually becoming too deadly is counterproductive for them. If they become too aggressive and the infected die too quickly, harder for these little assholes to spread. As stated here several time today, Virus is gonna virus.

Most of the time, mutations are so small that they don’t significantly affect how the virus works, or they make the virus weaker, Dr. Rhoads says.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago

Cy Young or not, Cole is still the guy to beat in the American League. The fact that the Yankees did not score 7 or 8 or more against us with their line up is amazing in it’s self. It seemed that 2-7 hitters in that line up were always at bat. In that series with them Judge had a 4 for 4 game. There is a reason that they will go to the Playoffs and maybe the World Series. Deja vu all over again with the Yankees being that good. Heck they may even that on the Dodgers again. I’ll be rooting for the Rays.

DowningDude
Super Member
rosstrade
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Good move. Junk recently took a perfect game into the 9th innings with the Bees.

Hopefully, it pays off.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

It was with the Trash Pandas……maybe more impressive at AA.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

Not with PCL stadiums. You and I could hit HRs in SLC and some other small venues.

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago

That. Plus most of them are at altitude, so breaking balls don’t break as well.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

You said “Balls”………

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

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JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Within two weeks we’ll be hearing about “shoulder stiffness” which then turns into rotator cuff surgery.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Good Move? This seems more like a desperation move to me. His 4 previous appearances for the Trash Pandas have yielded 18-2/3 innings pitched. 30 hits, 6 walks, 4 HRs generating a 6.27 ERA against double A hitters .

While its good for the Angels to figure out the potential of all of their new toys, IMHO this one still needs to get past the beta testing

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

“This seems more like a desperation move to me”

One of the Angels richest trAditions…..

Go Junk!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  DowningDude

We certainly need more junk.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago

Speaking for yourself or are you including me lol.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Welcome Junk-yard Dog!

Be better than the Hean-Dog.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

Leroy Brown?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yes, he’s the baddest man in the whole damn town. It’s been reported that he’s badder than old King Kong, and meaner than a junkyard dog.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Twebur

This is the “hean-dog” in it’s natural element:

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JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago

Lol. Is that an electric toy or a real dog ??

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Does this mean that the Halos are going to post pictures of their junk?

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

Say it ain’t so Red!

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago

Pardon me. Pictures of their Junk. (note the capitalization)

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  red floyd

Is Callaway back with the team?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

Two questions….

1) Isn’t Bauer getting paid by the Doyers? I think he is.

2) I thought Cole sucked now that he can’t use the sticky stuff anymore. Whahappen?

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

!. Yes, he is on PAID administrative leave while the investigation continues. Depending on the outcome of the investigation by both the police and MLB, his pay may or may not disappear. His future in MLB though is very much in doubt.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

2- Cole pitched well last night and kept the batters off balance with his speed and location changes and is apparently adjusting. He still struggled his first few games after the sticky stuff was banned. I was surprised they left him in as long as they did last night.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Well I guess its only money and I would have to say Bauer will end up getting most of it. He has a player options for next year 2 years of $32 Million that he most certainly will exercise with the Doyers. If Manfred suspends him for 2022 for example he can appeal and try to compel the team to keep paying him even if there are ongoing legal proceedings. Considering the MLBPA holds most all the cards and Bauers tendency to fight all accusers & antagonists, the Dodgers will end up paying out damn near all of his contract even though I doubt he’ll ever pitch another game in Doyer blue.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I disagree as the Play Contracts have Player Conduct codes that protect the teams from something just like a Bauer. Surprise would be in order if the Dodgers did not have that in the contract. Beating up women whether consensual or not I would think would be in a contract.

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Which is even crazier, right? That that would need to be called out as a inexcusable activity. What have we become as a society when we need to remind men that it is not ok to hit women?

As I said in another thread, let your freak flag fly in the bedroom, IDGAF, until it crosses a line and the pictures released, REGARDLESS of what was mentioned in a text message, crossed the line…by a LONG way.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago

This could very well be the MLBPA’s “People vs. Larry Flint” moment.

If Bauer isn’t convicted of a crime he’s only guilty of being a freak in the bedroom. I highly doubt the union wants to start letting guys lose contracts over being freaky in an unusual manner.

They may not like Bauer or condone his behavior, but barring a felony, they’ll have to defend him.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I keep going back to – she was unconscious for parts of it. Cannot consent while unconscious.

I am having a really hard time seeing past that.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago

Agreed.

And her lawyer said something interesting along the lines of “you can’t consent to be the victim of a crime.” I’d never considered that before.

This is a crazy case and he has a ton of dough. I think a plea to a really low level misdemeanor and some cash is the ultimate result.

The Dodgers trying to void a huge contract over a low level misdemeanor is going to guaranteed lead to a fight with MLBPA.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Tricky part is the text exchanges, she requested to be choked out.…..”she enjoyed being ‘choked out’ during and asked him to do it again”……….they both some issues to work on.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9765025/Trevor-Bauer-accuser-told-enjoyed-choked-texts-reveal.html

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Twebur

Yeah, that’s the sticky wicket here. If you say you want to be rendered unable to give consent and it happens (and all the things that happened subsequently are also things you consented to, just to a higher degree) were you assaulted? I’m not sure.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago

I am pretty sure that if you can’t back out, then you can’t consent. She has to have the ability to say no, for it to count as a yes. If she is unconscious, she can’t withdraw consent.

Anything he did after she passed out, and before she woke up – that is non-consensual.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

That makes sense to me…. but by that logic you have to stop f*** a person who tells you they want you to choke them out as soon as you’ve choked them out. Or in this chicks case, stop doing all the weird crap she said she likes you doing after you choke her out, which she also asked you to do.

Man, why can’t these people just have some good old sex?

(Don’t answer that question interwebs smarty guy. I know why, I just wish it were not the case.)

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

There’s a difference between consenting to kinky sex (including choking) and having the shit beaten out of you.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

But there are limits to the idea you can’t consent to a crime. For example, boxing and UFC exists. Why isn’t that a crime of assault and battery? Because they get paid so there is a contract? Well, the law also won’t enforce a contract to do something illegal, so that explanation doesn’t work either.

Here, we have a sexual encounter. I simply don’t see how the courts would ever apply the no-consent rule to a sexual encounter. And if they do, how do they justify not applying that rule to less-severe sexual encounters like BDSM?

There is also precedent that the government can’t get involved in sexual affairs (the U.S. Supreme Court struck down anti-sodomy laws). By the same token, I don’t know how the MLB will justify applying its code of conduct clause to a private sexual encounter, no matter how disgusting. They might find the courts will refuse to enforce the provision as against public policy. The alternative is to allow employers to have contracts that control the sexual behavior of their employees, which is all kinds of bad.

I said when the news first broke that the best case scenario for Bauer is that he gets his kicks from beating the crap out of women. I’m starting to think that scenario might play out. I’m disgusted by Bauer, but I don’t want to live in a world where employers and government get involved in consensual sexual encounters, even if that encounter includes agreeing to be choked out and beaten.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

While I took a pretty strong stance above, it was based on my understanding of the judge’s comments at the hearing where the restraining order was denied and the argument that you can’t consent to a crime.

There might still be a case against Bauer if the D.A. has different evidence, and there is no guarantee a jury will see the evidence the same way as the judge.

Also, Bauer may still run into trouble for hitting her while unconscious. The law won’t be nearly as concerned with the ramifications of a rule that if violent sex causes someone to fall unconscious, you have to stop. However, if the only thing they can pin on Bauer is hitting her in the buttocks while unconscious, that’s going to be a minor offense compared to what the allegations were and is simply not as bad as they typical domestic abuse case.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago

But the judge who refused to grant the Restraining order didn’t so as sick as it is, Bauer will still get his coin

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Correct me if I am wrong, but the ruling on the restraining order only said that he was unlikely to hurt her outside of these encounters (so no need for the restraining order).

The litigation on whether this was illegal behavior is for another day, and the judge did NOT rule on that.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yeah. Stuff’s gonna get wild. I am going to be so outraged. I can’t wait.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago

And when was the last time an MLB was able to enforce that clause without a conviction in a court of law?….I’m waiting…..and so is the MLBPA.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Need not be MLB, could just be no one hires him. See Bonds, Barry.

For the league, I guess it depends on how one reads the misconduct rules. (what is in ‘the best interests of Baseball’.

(f) OTHER MISCONDUCT. Nothing herein contained shall be construed as exclusively defining or otherwise limiting acts, transactions, practices or conduct not to be in the best interests of Baseball; and any and all other acts, transactions, practices or conduct not to be in the best interests of Baseball are prohibited and shall be subject to such penalties, including permanent ineligibility, as the facts in the particular case may warrant. 

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago

He is getting paid. He’s yet to be charged with a crime much less convicted of one. You can’t take away a guy’s paycheck over an allegation, no matter how gross the allegation is.

Cole is still good and the lineup we rolled out yesterday was not.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Sad part is, you can have your paycheck taken away over allegations by getting fired, as we know, it happens all the time. Shouldn’t be allowed, but cancel culture rules the day.

I’ll admit he’s such a dick it wouldn’t bother me if he gets taken down, even if not convicted. He will not go away without a fight, lay money on that.

My guess, he is still probably cheating. Next generation goo and clever in where he conceals it. Has anyone watched the inspections in between innings? Not very thorough.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

MLP players can’t. Very strong union.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yep…strongest union in all professional sports. He will get paid. Unfortunately not all people have a strong union beside them.

I feel if they F with him, he will air the dirtiest of MLB laundry on the way out. In court or elsewhere.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

what happened? The Angels happened. They cure everything….except COVID

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago

Zack Scott was leaving the Mets owners house. Yes, he was at a charity fundraiser for Steve “Insider Trading” Cohen’s house.

Imagine the shit storm this board would be if an Angels exec drove away from Arte’s place so shitfaced he had to pull over and pass out on the way home?

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/09/mlb-proposal-to-players-association-included-changes-to-service-time-structure.html

The more info I read on this first offer from ownership, the more I shake my head and feel like they really think the union and players are a bunch of dumb jocks. we are going to allow more players to become free agents at a younger (29.5 yrs) age, but we won’t be able to pay you as much because we don’t want to go over our self imposed, lower salary cap. But we are going to install a “minimum salary rule” of 100 m per year. Yeeesh.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

It’s an opening proposal is all and the Owners never expected the Players Union to roll over. Both of their openers will be discussed back and forth at the “Table”. With just about all the teams supporting new ownerships (Yankees and White Sox still having Family ownership from the 90’s) and Bud not their to compromise this might be like 81-82 or 94-95 as there is no current enough history. Nobody can say for sure how the new class of Billionaires are going to precede.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

The salary floor should be a demand by the big market owners. They are paying 48% of their local revenue into a revenue sharing pool then watching the owners in Oakland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, TB pocket that money year after year.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’m not against a salary floor, I in fact think it is a good thing. The lowering of the tax ceiling though is not a good thing for the players. The lowering (not by much) of the age for free agency is fine, but the whole “We will put a pot of money to be divvied up by teams for their arbitration raises” is a red flag for me.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

for sure. I think the salary floor is a given in the next CBA. And while it will be a nice add for the players, I really think it is largely driven by the big market teams.

I’d be pissed if I saw Nutting pocket my money. Then when his dog crap team comes to my ballpark it sits half empty because nobody wants to see them. I’m losing on both ends.

The salary floor won’t cost the owners anything. It simply takes money they are already paying into the pool and allocates it to the players.

It really is a non concession for 20-25 of the owners.

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Yesterday’s spanking is a great reminder of how far we have to go to be a contending team. Even with injuries, we just have a lot of missing parts. Still loving the addition of Brandon Marsh. And we really need Moreno to open up his bank account and pay our closer. And not use the Rendon contract as an excuse to remain a .500 team.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Glad you have shifted a bit in your position re: Iglesias.

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Iglesias is just awesome to watch.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  MarineLayer

Yes, Enrique Iglesias is a good performer and has a nice voice.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I don’t know if I would call it a spanking with a 4-1 outcome. The team didn’t hit and score off of arguably one of the 2 or 3 best pitchers in the league. The Yankees juggernaut offense only scored 4 runs off of Packy Naughton and the Benign Bullpen Ball throwers.

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

15 Ks in 7 innings is pretty brutal, wouldn’t you say. And the fact we have to start some guy named Packy Naughton?

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Oh, 17ks is brutal, I was at the game. But it is against the very best pitcher the Yankees have to offer, and The Angels did plate 1 run while the Yankees only 4 against The Angels pitching potpourri. Ohtani looked like his left wrist was bothering him a little.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Hard to expect to win against the leader in the Cy Young race, while starting a rookie debut pitcher. I agree with Maddon – they did well for the circumstances – only losing to Musgrove and Cole in the past few days.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

You had me at “it’s hard to expect to win”

Fleckstein
Member
1 month ago

I always admired Bob “Big Hands” Boone. Just lost some respect for him. Sad.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

Eh, he made a personal choice that isn’t directly impacting anyone else. Now, if he was a multiple DUI/DWI lout, or domestic violence lout, financial criminal, etc., then I would lose respect for him. The vaccine is a choice, and he chose not to take it, AND remove himself from where others may be impacted by his decision.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Informed Consent is a pillar of medical treatment in this country. It is amazing how many people don’t understand or appreciate the importance of Informed Consent.

Gorbachav5
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Others have been impacted by his decision unless he’s been completely isolated and/or masked and socially distanced since the vaccine became available. If that’s truly the case, then good for him. I still don’t understand his decision, but at least if he removes himself from danger to be infected or infect anyone else, then he’s taking full responsibility for it.

Twebur
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

Does he have natural antibodies? Does he have a medical condition that his Dr feels it’s best not to get the vaccine? Or, is he an hard core Anti-Vaxer and does his own bleach injection regime and worried about tracking devices injected into his body?

If you’re vaccinated, you’re likely safe from Bob infecting you to the point of needing hospitalization. So Bob is only a danger to himself or other unvaccinated people. Some science is showing the unvaccinated and the vaccinated might have the same “viral load”, spreading it equally. If that is the case, then criticizing the unvaccinated is unjustified.

These question and concerns come from someone fully vaccinated. 100% realizing the experts do not have all the answers. The virus is going to do what virus’s do. Regardless of your belief in Saint Fauci and the CDC, or if you’re a follower of Q and all the crazy anti-vaxer shit, or just a “normal“ some where in between, just trying figure this shit out.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Twebur

I wish they’d come up with a more sensitive term for people who are not all in on these new vaccines the way we do for homeless junkies. The term everyone uses now lumps people who don’t trust a vaccine that’s less than a year old and barely approved if at all in with people who believe the MMR shot that has been around forever causes autism.

Why can’t they be “Vaccine Inquisitive” or something? I mean, I got the shot early because I thought it was worth the risk, but I understand people who don’t feel comfortable, and I especially understand their enflamed resistance when so much effort is expended trying to convince them, paint them as freaks, or downright force them to get the shot. Even though I have the vax my gut feeling is more “if this is so wonderful why are we trying to peer group pressure everyone into doing it like we’re all in jr. high school?”. The more of this BS people pile on top of the decision the less likely it is some people ever feel comfortable getting the shot.

But, in the case of baseball, it’s a private business. A person can do what their boss says and work, or refuse to do it and not work there anymore. That’s life.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 month ago

“Vaccine curious?”

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago

Agreed. The media climate nowadays definitely doesn’t help in that regard. And continuing to single out and ridicule folks is only going to make them dig in their heels more.

Gorbachav5
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

There’s a more sensitive way to go about it, sure, but people are espousing unsupported statistics and citing conspiracy theories to justify putting other people at risk. That sort of behavior needs to be called out.

And the whole attitude of “I’m not going to get vaccinated because people are saying I have to and I don’t like being told what I have to do!” is a toddler’s mentality. We do things because they’re good for us and the people around us (and sometimes the latter more than the former). It’s part of living in a society.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Gorbachav5

I openly mock my conspiracy theory contacts. Which makes me part of the problem I describe.

But I also realize I’m fully vaxxed and perfectly capable of spreading around the rona, so the whole “putting others at risk” argument is losing steam with me.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It’s OK. I openly mock anyone who plays the “need to be called out” card re a subject I’ve heard about 100,000,000,000 times already on the interwebs.

Everyone’s gotta openly mock someone. Even Jesus did it.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

Even if he does have natural antibodies alot of the ignorant and reactionary crowd will jump on him when they hear he didn’t get the jab. They don’t get it. Some of these people have attacked medical doctors who have not gotten the shot because they have antibodies….

Antibodies are always better than a vaccination. But these idiots will scream and call knowledgeable doctors “anti-vaxxer” because they didn’t get the shot. The ignorant people are not all on one side here folks.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  JackFrost

My daughter received the vaccine – college student – and is bedridden currently with the virus. She’s professional ballet dancer, healthy with no conditions that make her highly succeptable.

The virus will do what the virus will do.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 month ago

I hope she kicks its ass and gets back on her feet. Best wishes.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  DowningDude

Thanks very much. She’s a tough kid and will bounce back

JackFrost
Super Member
1 month ago

Hope she will be okay.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
1 month ago

Do you think if she didn’t take the vaccine she’d be on a ventilator?

Asking for a Friend

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

My guess would be “no” based on her age and health. But honestly, I really don’t know. The information on the virus, in my option, is a real crap-shoot.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
1 month ago

Yikes. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

“The Virus will do what the Virus will do.”

How dare you sir! If we just take control of all of the people then we can take control of all of the virus. Now that won’t prevent thought crimes, but if we have control of all the people we can then badger them into single minded living. Then all we need to deal with is “you never know”, which we will defeat by just not admitting it when things happen that don’t fit our story. Now some people may suffer greatly via our efforts to keep some people from suffering, and all our efforts may not accomplish much more than doing nothing, but as long as we never allow that to be discussed in any way we’ll be fine. If we can control human nature we can totally control nature. If you don’t believe me you’re nuts and you don’t care if my fat grandma dies.

Be better.

DowningDude
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

you said “viral load.”

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
1 month ago

It’s annoys me slightly that there is so much negative MLB news and the lack of ownership/accountability annoys me even more.
LaRussa basically gets off scotch free with 2 DUIs and the Mets guy is already getting more heat than Tony ever did. They’re both wrong just odd how we as a society choose to hang one person yet idolize another (white sox even naming a drinking patio after larussa).
The Bauer thing is ugh on so many levels. The Dodgers should absolutely be on the hook for paying him. Angels are on the hook for paying a 45 year old Pujols who built up his mind and body as a 21 year old playing high school ball against 17 year olds. That will never sit right with me.
Anyway, on a brighter note… This site is great and I’ve enjoyed angels baseball (attending and following) more-so this year than other, thank you!

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

With the availability of both Uber and Lyft, why would you, especially as a high paid baseball executive, make the piss poor choice of driving after drinking too much? Sure makes me question some of these peoples decision making skills.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

And makes you think if that’s what they were caught for, what else were they getting away with?

Here’s an example:
https://www.ocregister.com/2021/01/15/oc-fire-authority-deputy-operations-chief-abruptly-resigns-under-cloud/

This guy was doing a lot of other non professional things for decades before finally getting caught impersonating a police officer and being reprimanded (which was just retiring to keep his pension).

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

Sometimes I wonder what people are really thinking, or how their brains are wired. And in this case, why would a OC Fire Deputy Chief want to impersonate a police officer? If you want to be a police officer, join the academy and become one, unless of course you can’t pass the psychological evaluation to become one.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

The line for police applications is much shorter too!
Just a case of someone abusing their position, that wasn’t held in check, and allowed to grow into what became pulling people over in his fire department vehicle (the driver didn’t use her turn signal or something really minor like that).

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

Holy shit! He was actually pulling people over for traffic infractions? I would say it was time for a psychological evaluation.

Cowboy26
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Probably was getting paid ( or was out on Workers Comp) during his faux traffic stops

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
1 month ago

I thought Pujols was 51.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

I wonder if the unnamed trainer for the Nationals has already paid a visit to a labor/ employment attorney. This could get really interesting and possibly cost The Nationals a small bag of money/Bit Coins.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Would depend on his contract, I would imagine.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

With HIPAA laws what they are, regardless of how the contract is worded, they still could be open for a lawsuit. I’m vaccinated, but it wasn’t required by my work, it was required by my wife in order to visit my my mother in law. She gave me a choice, and I chose, but she is not my employer. Sort of new territory and it is going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Will it be included in the new CBA in the fine print?

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

As far as I understand, HIPPA prohibits health providers from revealing medical information. It doesn’t stop anyone asking, nor have any prohibitions on one’s relationship with their employer (or life insurance, workman’s comp, or even law enforcement). But, I imagine Boone’s lawyer and his employer can hash it out.

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago

Precisely. If you are not a Health Care Provider, a Health Insurance Company, or a Business Associate (i.e. processing data for one or the other of the above), then you are NOT subject to HIPAA.

So many people get this wrong.

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

Note that being an employer who provides insurance as a fringe benefit does not qualify you as a Business Associate.

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red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I am studying law. I am not qualified or licensed to provide legal advice. Should you need legal advice, please consult an attorney.

red floyd
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I was thinking maybe this guy…
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steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

 😆 

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

But did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night? If yes, that might enough.  😀 

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

But the ADA has confidentiality rules for employers that likely prevent an employer from disclosing vaccination status and almost certainly prevent an employer from revealing the name of an employee that has been diagnosed with COVID.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

This is why managers keep saying players are out for ‘personal reasons’. Teams aren’t revealing vacc status, and I don’t suspect that even in letting Boone go, that the team said this was why (it was the reporters, not the team, unless Boone permitted the revelation).

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