Angels drop lowly affair to Dodgers

Dodgers 5, Angels 3

It was Trea Turner’s first start as a Dodger, and the home side’s lineup looked to be firing on all cylinders.

Surprisingly the Angels kept it close for a while, courtesy of a Dodgers infield mix-up.

Ultimately, Junior Guerra, who had excelled in a number of low-leverage situations, allowed two runs in the bottom of the eighth to bust the gates wide open, and the Dodgers were off and running.

Reid Detmers looks to bounce back in the matinee tomorrow.

Title Image Screenshot from Dodgers Twitter

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Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  admkir

????Why???

admkir
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I would say the Angels have given up and would rather die at the hands of Slegers saving Wantz fof next year

Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  admkir

apparently.

In his 5 appearances at SL since his last demotion 12.1 innings, 8.03 ERA , 8 HR’s surrendered 2.20 WHIP and a 1.303 OPS against.

Twebur
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Guess who is pitching in today’s game…..can you guess who will be used, probably in a high leverage situation……do you know?

eyespy
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Bases loaded Angels up by three?

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

The Angels won’t ever be up by 3 at any point in this game…

Very likely they will never even be up by 1 run.

eyespy
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Then, LET THE KIDS PLAY!!!

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

That is what we’ve been doing.

Joe keeps throwing Marsh out there despite the fact he couldn’t hit his way out of a paper bag!

eyespy
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Yep, enjoy the play, no matter how bad. It just doesn’t matter, it just doesn’t …

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

It should matter to Marsh.

While he does have a good amount of leash it is not unlimited. Eventually he is going to have to start hitting or he’ll become Brandon Wood Part II.

At some point the game will be up and he will have run out of chances.

Last edited 3 months ago by JackFrost
Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I thought that was Jo Adell.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Well, despite his horrible defense when he came up last season Jo Adell did show some flashes at the plate.

He hit several dingers including a 2 HR game.

Gump has not shown anything close to a “this is a major league hitter” moment.

Last edited 3 months ago by JackFrost
Twebur
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

4 of 7 stages of grief in one roster move. I wish they would have asked us first.

  • Shock and denial. This is a state of disbelief and numbed feelings.
  • Pain and guilt. … 
  • Anger and bargaining. … 
  • Depression.
angelslogic
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  admkir

Slegers for Wantz? You’ve got to be kidding me!

Cowboy26
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3 months ago
Twebur
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

great news….
http://gph.is/2FmpWjk

Last edited 3 months ago by Twebur
Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago

Ok in this week’s episode of the WTF Joe? show, we posture the following mail bag questions:

  • Knowing that the Angels were immediately facing the Dodgers after the Rangers series, why did Joe burn D Cell in a non save situation on Thursday after the Cheese tried to shit the bed? Couldn’t we have found someone else from our resurgent bullpen to get the final out? ( Biff from Hill Valley)
  • First we were told that Ohtani couldn’t wait too long between starts so the Angels elected to start him against the hapless Rangers on Wednesday and making him essentially ineffective during the DH less Dodgers series. Then yesterday we were told that his next start would be August 12 a full 8 days from his last start. What gives? ( Jack Elliot from Nagoya, Japan)
Twebur
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

“The WTF Joe? Show”

Love it….endless material. From Hill Valley to Nagoya, Japan!

eyespy
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

send all questions, with a self-addressed stamp envelope, to: MADDONING!!!@it’sbest.com

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I mean, that appearance by Raisel was only 1 hitter, the final out of the game. While it is true that alot of other guys could have gotten that out, I don’t think he burned Raisel by putting him in there. He did not throw a ton of pitches even if you include warm up.

Plus, it was a save situation because the tying run was in the on deck circle.

Last edited 3 months ago by JackFrost
Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Yeah he did. Joe specifically stated that Raisel wasn’t available on Saturday because he pitched 3 days in a row.

And no, it was never a save situation. the tying only got to the hole.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Okay, you are right about the save. He did not get one, but my other point still stands. In that particular game he did not throw alot of pitches.

Also, more importantly, he did pitch Friday night. He actually did get the save there. So, not sure why Joe said he wouldn’t be available because he sure was available and was a big reason we were able to win that game on Friday.

Last edited 3 months ago by JackFrost
Cowboy26
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3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

But its all in the warmup.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

You have to look at the total number of pitches; that includes warm-up and the game itself.

So for that Thursday game the total number would have been lower than usual since he threw just a handful of pitches in the game itself.

angelslogic
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Does that mean a very reduced role for Jose?

Jim Atkins
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

I think this is the Player Takeover thing they did with Gubie, Jose and GA a while ago. Should be fun, that one was great.

Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Not sure we would know even if this was happening.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
3 months ago

From BR:

Hits (WAR): RHP Raisel Iglesias (1.8), RHP Alex Cobb (1.3), RHP Steve Cishek (0.6)

Misses (WAR): RHP Junior Guerra (0.4), SS Jose Iglesias (-0.1), INF Phil Gosselin (-0.1), LHP Alex Claudio (-0.1), RF Dexter Fowler (-0.2), OF Juan Lagares (-0.3), C Kurt Suzuki (-0.6), LHP Jose Quintana (-0.6)

Off-season grade: D

Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago

I’m surprised Fowler was around long enough to even register on the WAR meter.

2002heaven
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3 months ago

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Bad OF defense again by our DH out in LF who failed to catch Chris Taylor’s 2 run double in the 8th and the foul ball in the first which allowed Trea Turner to score….. 😠  Let’s see a catcher, a infielder earlier this season in the outfield. Four straight seasons of under 100 RBI’s BTW from Justin Upt*n. Mike Trout, Jered Walsh, Shohei Ohtani, and Raisel Iglesias can’t do everything. We don’t get to play another terrible team until the Orioles in two weeks. This is what happens when you allocate all your payroll to 4 hitters and everybody else is worth just nickels and pennies……… 😣  😥  💩  💪  💪  👈 

Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Hey 2002, you need to quit living in the past

Twebur
Super Member
3 months ago

I hope we knock around that tight pant’ed arrogant prick tomorrow…
Screw the Doyers. Screw Walker.


2002heaven
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Don’t bet on it.
But you can hope however.

max
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max
3 months ago

We didn’t get swept

rez2405
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Quijada put up another goose egg.

I’m just saying 😂

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  rez2405

No joke, it’s gonna be a big deal if they get him to continue to pitch with a little control. We got him for basically nothing and he has the raw stuff to be a really good relief pitcher. A season where we have Suarez, C Rod, Sandoval, Barria AND Quesadilla (plus Alex Cobb) ALL figure out how to pitch AND have Otani prove he’s a real pitcher…. that’s a huge step forward for the org.

Also, how many pitchers have to “get it together” before we have to stop shitting on Matt Wise?

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago

Maybe wait for a full season of statistics? Oh no, I’m gonna overreact and scream for chocolate filled donuts all day long cuz the Angels pitching is back baybee.

Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

You wouldn’t have said that if the Angels had beat the Doyers last night

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

Thus “if they get him to continue to pitch with a little control”. All of these pitchers, of course, need to keep being good, otherwise they are going to be not good pitchers. Some will probably continue with goodness, it will be a big deal if the majority of them continue to be good instead of switching to bad. If that were to happen with the majority of these pitchers, would that not imply that Matt Wise is good and not bad? If these pitchers continue to pitch the way they have the last few weeks, that will be very good.

Is this donut order simple enough for you to follow?

eyespy
Super Member
3 months ago

So, whatever.

Your comment covers all the bases, and we are done here.

No need to enjoy what we do. You have it all figured out, and of course, you are right, again, because you cover all the bases.

2002heaven
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3 months ago

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More pitching, reasonable living accommodations for our minor leaguers and good outfield defense please?

Last edited 3 months ago by 2002heaven
Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

But can he pitch?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  2002heaven

Yup, we still need these. Even if it turns out the pitching improvements we are seeing are mostly real. Which is why I didn’t say anything like “We won’t have to go get more pitching, reasonable living accommodations for our minor leaguers and good outfield defense…”

eyespy
Super Member
3 months ago

You didn’t say those things because they would take commitment, and thinking. Not your forte.

We are active members of this site. Quit mocking the members like you are better, but if you were, you would be running the place.

It is what we do

So, stop the belittling. If you are so smart, educate, and enliven the site with your wit. Not the two-headed droll you slobber out regularly, that tries to minimize the members the input to this site.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

So wait…. we’re NOT going to sweep the Dodgers? This team is an abomination! Where is the grit? Where are the flames? Where is the burning grit? Why do other teams have good players that I want for my team? This is unacceptable and someone needs to perform an act of contrition because I am sad when we lose. And when I’m sad it makes me mad. I. Lay. This. Squarely. At. Arte’s. Feet. And also Perry is stupid. Plus yack piss bullpen. Why are we playing kids who can’t hit when there are stubble faced veterans who can suck instead? Play the vets until I start complaining about them, then play the kids some more, till I complain about them. Also, Maddon needs to take pitchers out earlier, accept when he takes pitchers out earlier, I hate when he does that. F***in Doyer fans.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
3 months ago

We need an 11 game winning streak. Forget next years draft position. Its not gonna be very low. If you think Perry did a good job this year then if we’re 12th or 17th it won’t make much difference.

Hey I saw Rendon in the dugout. Any Trout?

Fansince1971
Super Member
3 months ago

There will be no 11 game winning streak. But I do expect this team will finish above .500 – say 85 wins. And that is a HUGE improvement especially considering the injuries. Realistically we should be very happy with that.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I can appreciate being satisfied form most of you guys but for me, no, need a post-season to make me happy. Last years record has very little influence on next year. Prior to free agency, yes, I would agree an end of season record was a barometer to which way the team is headed.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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2002heaven
Trusted Member
3 months ago

so what……does it matter at this point?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Yes, Trout should be mentoring guys like Marsh. Maybe he is quietly doing it, but if he’s not – I consider it disappointing

2002heaven
Trusted Member
3 months ago

This comment was targeted more at the possibility of Dexter Fowler’s return. The guy is 35 yrs old and a obvious salary dump case by the Cardinals. I still don’t why this organization has such a damm hard time finding reasonable serviceable outfielders like Oakland and TB does…… 😠 

eyespy
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Scouting, we don’t have any. We go by name and years first, maybe the back of a baseball card

admkir
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

Or whoever Joe has managed

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
3 months ago

Depending on the draft, 12 to 17 can be huge.

Either you’re in the playoffs or your playing for the draft. Fuck moral victories, winning 85 games is meaningless

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago

Yeah, finishing above 500 AND in the playoffs is ALL that matters in the year end results.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago

Would agree that the difference between winning 85 and winning 87 or 88 is meaningless, but finishing above .500 is not meaningless. This is especially true when your organization has had several losing seasons in a row.

I am not going to jump up and down, but still, it is not meaningless.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

It’s just “another year where we failed to get to the playoffs.” Aside from 2019, Halos have not been too far from .500. A 5-10 game swing in the standings, to me, doesn’t feel too rewarding if no post season is obtained. Need repeatable seasons of playoff appearances and subsequent title. However, finishing over .500 has not been done for in 6-years so, yep, it is a new mark. Whether we are 2-games under or over 0.500 just did not have the sizzle for me.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I think improving on last year’s performance given that Trout has been out for more than half the season, and we have had significant injuries to multiple starters, is a major sign of encouragment.

Also, throughout the season we have made drastic changes that have improved our competiveness for both the short and long term (in the rotation, pen, and in position players). We are getting better, and there is promise moving forward.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago

Unlike Eppler our current GM has shown a willingness to cut loose terrible or under performing players. This is a necessity, and something that simply did not happen during the years of Scioscialism.

I view it as a positive development and a move towards higher expectations from management and accountability for the players.

eyespy
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Not too sure Epps had the option of last year dead weight contracts to dump.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

Not just refering to the big contracts. He kept guys like Matt Harvey, Cody Allen and Cam Bedrosian around way to long.

eyespy
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

The GM’s pick ups are on them. Arte probably needs to be informed on all transactions. He may want these guys to stick around to remind them of the mistakes made. Money has been spent, not gonna just sign and dump everyone. It’s a business, not a hobby we a running here.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

I get that for a guy like Harvey, who was making what, $11 million for that season.

But how much was Shit the Bed making? Could not have been a lot. It would not have been a big loss to release him unconditionally.

That said, if what you are suggesting about Arte is true then THAT is the biggest problem of all. The fact that the owner puts (for him) losses of small amounts of money above the performance of the team on the field.

Last edited 3 months ago by JackFrost
Fansince1971
Super Member
3 months ago

Disagree. The climb to the playoffs is usually not a one year thing. Finishing above .500!is an important step in the right direction. Particularly with all the injuries this season.

If the team ends up with say 84 wins without Trout and a healthy Rendon, what does that project to when they return?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

When they return? Probably 80 wins based on past history…..

2002heaven
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Somehow the Doyers have made the post season 8 straight years and their farm system doesn’t take a hit. Meanwhile 5 straight losing seasons hasn’t helped ours. 😠 

Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago

Yes Trout has been in the dugout during this series.

DowningDude
Super Member
3 months ago

Nailed it

James
Trusted Member
3 months ago

How about a stat on how many games our relief pitching cost us this year? What could our record possibly be?

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  James

111-0

2002heaven
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  James

How about our outfield defense this year. Did you see Justin Upt*n fail to catch that foul ball in the first inning ( Trea Turner came around to score later ). Or his failure to catch Chris Taylor’s game winning double in the 8th inning? Then the countless times Taylor Ward and Luis Rengifo could make plays either earlier this season.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
3 months ago

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Bl0chead
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3 months ago

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WallyChuckChili
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Bl0chead

Draft number, round and Year?

Twebur
Super Member
3 months ago

👉🏻💪💪💪💪💪👌. 2012 Rays Jerry

2002heaven
Trusted Member
3 months ago

he’s a Latin player……….
With a 4.91 ERA……oh forgot era doest count anymore LOL!!!
So maybe all these stat web sites should get rid of them ( ERA, wins & losses, quality starts ).

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Bl0chead

Lol.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
3 months ago

There goes the Sweep…

UtahAlumnus
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Baseball giveth, and baseball taketh away.

Cowboy26
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  UtahAlumnus

Baseball giveth, and baseball Joe’s bullpen management taketh away.

There. I fixed it for you.

Last edited 3 months ago by Cowboy26
Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Joe’s bullpen management appeared to be brilliant in game 1