Anthony Rendon has season-ending hip surgery

We knew it. Subconsciously or not, the amount of time Rendon was missing was worrying. He is now out for the season. See you in 2022, Rendon, hopefully a Rendon of old and not Old Man Rendon. This is yet another instance of Joe Maddon downplaying injuries. Shocker.

Rendon, 31, hit .240/.329/.382 in 249 plate appearances this season and was worth -0.1 bWAR. Rendon had a fine first season with the Halos in 2020, but in the second year of a seven-year deal, he struggled. The Angels hope he will be back in time to start 2022.

Jack Mayfield, Phil Gosselin, and prospects such as José Rojas and Luis Rengifo look take a swath of the ABs at third base with Rendon out.

Notes:

One suspects this is just load management for Chris Rodriguez, who should be back for the Tuesday double-header on Tuesday.

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FIREBIRD81
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2 months ago

I feel really bad for the guy. But, I gotta say, this sure happens a lot with this team since Arte bought it. Injuries are always downplayed until we find out surgery is required and we won’t see a player for the rest of the year. Am I the only one waiting for a similar announcement regarding Trout? Why the bad info all the time? Is our medical staff inept? Or is Arte afraid ticket sales will plummet? I don’t see this happening with other teams so frequently, so it leaves me to say hmmmm.

ihearhowie3.0
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2 months ago

The most worrisome thing to me is that these injuries to Rendon and Trout would on most AL teams resign them to DH duty at least a few times a week in future years to keep their legs/hips etc. a little fresher.

Ohtani being a beast is going to make the 30’s for Trout and Rendon a real adventure when it comes to nursing injuries.

MarineLayer
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2 months ago

My objection to him was never that he was lazy or flaky. I objected to spending so much money on a player of his type/age for his past accomplishments with another team It is clearer now that we will get MoVaughn/Pujols levels of performance from him if we’re lucky,plus Moreno will use it as a excuse to not spend money elsewhere as needed.

steelgolf
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2 months ago

Wow, Tommy John surgery on his hip. Not surprising since he had basically fallen off the grid recently with no sightings or info. See ya in mid May of 2022.

eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Having a hamstring issue, is, kind of close to the hip, but it isn’t the hip.

These guys are strange

SScott
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2 months ago

FUBAR

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  SScott

SNAFU!

GrandpaBaseball
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2 months ago

Should have signed Machado the year prior to signing Dumpy Drawers. Much better athlete and younger.

FuzzyTarantula
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2 months ago

Hip Impingement can be a frustrating and debilitating injury. Super sensitive, can’t stand or sit without pain. I just had the surgery about 5 weeks ago, so I feel you Anthony Rendon. Good luck on to him!!

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  FuzzyTarantula

Wow. Hope you’re back to 100% soon.

2002heaven
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Typical 3B season ending injury apparently
https://www.athleticsnation.com/2020/9/15/21438158/elephant-rumblings-oakland-as-matt-chapman-injury-update-torn-hip-labrum
one month before Matt Chapman’s injury diagnosis but then again everybody’s different.

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Twebur
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2 months ago
Reply to  FuzzyTarantula

Was yours done arthroscopically? How are you feeling?

Get better and keep us updated, you’re our official Rendon Hip corespondent.

AnAngelsFan
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2 months ago

Scioscia, Ausmus and now Maddon. I don’t think it’s fair to say this is a case of Maddon downplaying it. There’s clearly an order to that effect coming from higher up in the org.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

This is more an “us problem” than a “them problem”. Most of us know just as much about knee injuries as Joe Maddon or past managers. Yet some press guy always asks them about it, and then we take the answer seriously.

I swear to God, most of us have had some sort of injury before right? Did your doctor EVER really know how long it was going to take for you to heal up all the way? Accept for broken bones? Most of the time they guess at the time of injury, then after the swelling, then after treatment, then when rehab starts, then half way through rehab and THE GD DOCTOR IS WRONG HALF THE TIME. And that’s with no setbacks at all. How often does that happen?

But we’re all supposed to be gobsmacked and butt hurt because the team is vague and never accurate when it comes to injuries? Here, Ill make life easy for you. When a guy gets hurt just assume you won’t see him anytime soon until you hear he’s on a rehab assignment. If you start wondering what’s going on in the meantime the answer is the guy is still hurt. That’s pretty much all you need to know, you can get on with your life now.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Yeah. Our managers need to just say “we don’t know.” cause they don’t… though I know other MLB managers do the same thing. I think they get a text from the trainer at game’s end that say “limb still intact” and then the manager tells the press he’ll be OK soon.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago

Fowler, probably a bruise. Hopefully out for just a couple of days.
Upton, back got a little tight. We’re not worried about it. Probably back Friday in Tampa Bay.
Rendon, he felt a little something in his hamstring. Hopefully just aggravated it a little bit. I don’t think he’ll miss significant time.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Exactly. How does Maddon or even a trainer actually know this 45 minutes after it happens? I said this earlier in the week, they need to be more like football coaches and just say “We’ll see how he looks in a few days….”

JackFrost
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2 months ago

Really, the reporters should not even be asking the question if the injury happened that night/day. If it has been a couple of days that is something else…

But it takes time for that information to filter down to the manager, even if xrays were taken right after the game.

2002heaven
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2 months ago

Fly by night garbage occupational medicine facilities?
There’s scores of them in the OC on some certain major boulevards. The same ones that drug and alcohol test you when you get injured on the job and a company defense lawyer to lowball you or look for a loophole to get out of paying. 💩  💩 

eyespy
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2 months ago

My doctor did. He said “you can’t rebreak it. And you will know how much you can do. Everyday will it get better, until it doesn’t hurt anymore. No restrictions.” The whole point is to understand how long recovery will take.

He has operated on many pro athletes, including Love, and a few Dodgers.

This is the upper level. They do not want to lose fan interest. They do not lose money in sunk costs. “Are you sure.” must be a popular saying from up top.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  eyespy

Huh?

eyespy
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2 months ago

What don’t you understand?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  eyespy

I said that, in most injury cases, the doctor gives a timeline for recovery that is pretty shifting based on what they know at different stages accept for broken bones, which knit fairly reliably most of the time. At the actual time of the injury they are often very vague since they don’t even know everything that might be damaged.

You replied…. “My doctor did. He said “you can’t rebreak it. And you will know how much you can do. Everyday will it get better, until it doesn’t hurt anymore. No restrictions.” The whole point is to understand how long recovery will take.”

I can’t even tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me. All I can tell is that you’re talking about a broken bone, I think. So I said huh?

ChillRIL
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2 months ago

Ha, ha. Yeah. I recently fractured my wrist, a month before a week-long bike ride. Would I be able to participate? Maybe. Maybe not. We’ll see. Spent two weeks in a cast, and then the hand specialist said he thought maybe I hadn’t fractured my wrist in the first place, that it was a sprain. Or maybe I had. Hard to know for certain. Anyway, wear this brace for a while and see me in a month. I still don’t know if it was a fracture or a sprain. The PT says my stiffness comes from the weeks in the cast, not the original injury. I’ll try to remember this experience next time we’re treated to shifting diagnoses from the Angels. The human body is a mysterious machine.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

You mean like Richards having a bicep cramp then TJ?

Marcotor
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2 months ago

Hmm.. interesting development for a player maligned here for not having “fire and desire” and just collecting a paycheck.

TapatioMan
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2 months ago

Blog suggestion/question

When looking at a post from the home page, is there any way to implement the “50 comments/32 new” feature like we had at the old place?

Hope I’m not asking for too much.

Thanks

Jessica DeLine
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2 months ago
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Alas, it’s on our wish list but just not possible at this time.

TapatioMan
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2 months ago
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All good! Thanks for the response

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago

2021 is toast. Get Rendon and Trout healthy for next year. See what the young pitchers have down the stretch. Hopefully watch Marsh and Adell blossom into real MLB’ers.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Could have a worse dead August/Sept.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago

I’m actually liking this. So many years we’ve played out the guys we knew weren’t part of the future. This year we get to play couch GM as we watch the kids.

TapatioMan
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

This is actually a super solid point. Wonder how much that has to do with actually having some players with potential instead of organizational filler. Too GA to go back and check. But agreed – it is nice that they’re letting the kids play, as you said.

eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

This might be where Joe can shine at managing.

Young, wide eyed, and gullible to anything said because anything is possible.

eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Could help with BuhBuh, and Forest. No pressure, jus press

https://youtu.be/FZI2tKHPI2U

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eyespy
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2 months ago

Just think of the September call ups.

We could get a good looks see at some of the more advanced 2021 draftees.

https://youtu.be/NCIUf8eYPqA

FungoAle
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2 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

Doubt we’ll see any.of them. Longshot.

Commander_Nate
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2 months ago

Finally, some clear communication!

If they had said from the beginning of this go-around that he was dealing with something that might require surgery (literally that’s as much detail as they would’ve needed) most of the fanbase would’ve understood.

Instead they played coy for a month and now there are memes and jokes of varying levels of seriousness implying Rendon is a flake and the Angels are medically incompetent.

Just an utter failure of PR and external comms all around.

I hope Rendon heals well over the offseason and the Angels become more honest soon.

Last edited 2 months ago by Commander_Nate
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Commander_Nate

They probably didn’t know he had a hip injury that bad until the other stuff healed enough to find out. Like I just found out my hip is more messed up than my back was because my back was too messed up to figure it out till recently.

SScott
Trusted Member
2 months ago

This. Some folks would be amazed to find how easily serious injuries can be masked by other injuries.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  SScott

And they build on each other.

eyespy
Super Member
2 months ago

You have to look at all the factors and double check everything. No sit and wait.

That is $Millions$ that are just sitting there being uncomfortable, and not being productive.

Unacceptable and unexcusable.

You guys are being too easy on this thinking these are the same professionals that you visit at the Kaiser Permanente conveniently near the freeway exit that you have to visit because that was the a you given by your employer because it was cheap.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  eyespy

No. I’m actually thinking more about guys who play for the Raiders, Bengals, Rockies and Marlins as well as a few MiLB, college and semi pro-team guys.

You can have the best doctors in the world, a hurt guy is still gonna sleep weird, or favor an injury when he sits down, etc. There are a thousand ways new problems can happen in the injury, or a related part of the body, or on the other side of the body. They do their best to monitor it, but problems creep up.

eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  SScott

No, not at the level of medical expertise. No.

eyespy
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2 months ago

Really? They don’t actually do any kind of testing or have any kind of experience?

Yep, the staff of Dr Nick and Associates.

Angels2020Champs
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2 months ago

Meanwhile up north players keep coming out of the woodworks to join. Here players just look for excuses to sit out. Annoyed to say the least. Time to change your drawers poopie pants Rendon

DowningDude
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2 months ago

😂

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 months ago

So let me see if I can get this straight. first it was his Groin, then it was his knee. Then came the shoulder injury and finally a strained hamstring since early July.

Now out of the blue he is having season ending right hip surgery. Are they sure it’s not his left Tricep or his right ankle? or maybe its Plantar facsciitis ?

Not sure any of the Angel quacks can even help him if nobody knows WTF is really wrong with him

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

They better mark the correct hip with a Sharpie before surgery, don’t get confused by any tattoos around there.
….and then quadruple check it. Better have the best Dr doing this, probably going in near his groin. Protect your Junk Tony and come back in 2023 when Junk is pitching for us.

Mia
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Mia
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

When I was being prepped for knee surgery a few years ago, the surgeon came back and asked me at least 20 times which leg it was. He marked it with a sharpie, signed my leg, and then when we got to the operating room he asked me one more time before they knocked me out, lol.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  Mia

That sounds crazy. Like I’d flip out and go nuts crazy.

Mia
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Mia
2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Then they give you the good drugs and you don’t care about anything, lol

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  Mia

No for Rendon ! We don’t want another Skaggs on our hands !!

Last edited 2 months ago by JackFrost
eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Count back from 10.

Mia
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Mia
2 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

I think I got to 9 😂

TapatioMan
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2 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Serious? Haha, I guess a surgeon with OCD isn’t the worst thing? Wonder if that’s common practice (haven’t had surgery befo’)

2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

I’d actually be happy they were checking over and over again. Every now and again you read about them amputating the wrong limb on someone. Could you imagine that? You’re supposed to lose your left leg only to wake up and they removed your right one? Then they still gotta remove the left one anyway.

TapatioMan
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2 months ago
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Oh no, I’d be super happy that they were checking again and again. As long as I could tell they were just making sure, instead of because they’re distracted or something

Mia
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Mia
2 months ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

He definitely wasn’t distracted, was just doing his due diligence. I had a full recovery, so he did something right.

matthiasstephan
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2 months ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

I have had the same experience as Mia with my two knee surgeries. Likely standard practice.

Mia
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Mia
2 months ago

We’ll always have our stained yellow legs and ice machines 😘

Mia
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Mia
2 months ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

100%

It’s definitely common to confirm the limb being operated on, but I wouldn’t be surprised if different surgeons had different routines.

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  Mia

It is amazing how often surgeries are botched.

You hear the stories about the wrong kidney being removed etc..

Just horrible stuff. Scary. This is why malpractice insurance is so expensive for doctors.

Twebur
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2 months ago
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Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
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Wow.

eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Had to be trolling

eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I had to do that with my hernia operation. Doctor asked if it was the right side, I replied no, and he gave me the sharpie. I marked with many arrows pointing South and to the left.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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2 months ago

Angels dark hole at 3rd base since freese wasn’t retained. We finally get a stud and he’s hurt while getting paid big $. Tradition.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago

So you’re saying it’s a curse?

Better call the witch doctor then.

Darth_Duane
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2 months ago

That’s funny because I considered freese part of the 3b black hole since figgins left.

2pints
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2 months ago
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We need Robb Quinlan back

red floyd
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2 months ago
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red floyd
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2 months ago
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And yes, I know it’s a Dylan song.

Simba
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2 months ago
Reply to  Darth_Duane

Freese was serviceable. ~2.3 WAR in each of his years with us.

Darth_Duane
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2 months ago
Reply to  Simba

2.3 WAR is definitely serviceable but it’s hardly memorable. Perhaps black hole is a bit harsh, but i expect more than .257.323.420 and .270.352.412
from a 3B. Those are soft hitting 2B and SS stats. And yes I know figgy was light hitting but he was a helluva lot better at everything else than freese ;-). Freese to me just gets lost in the noise of our third baseman being forgettable with Wood, Valbuena, Marte, Cowart, et al. It’s funny Callaspo was actually worth 3 and 3.6 WAR in his 2 full seasons with us and is mostly forgotten by everyone, myself included. Good Ol’ hot dog, I should have appreciated him more while we had him i guess.

Simba
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2 months ago
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Black hole is actually appropriate to describe where Figgy went after he left us …..

UtahAlumnus
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2 months ago

7 years $245 million

Brent
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2 months ago
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pain.

Mia
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Mia
2 months ago
Reply to  UtahAlumnus

We gotta win a ring in the next 5 years

TapatioMan
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2 months ago
Reply to  UtahAlumnus

And backloaded.. ouch

2pints
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2 months ago

Surgery? Dang, he’s really committed to being lazy to collect his huge check. I bet they cut him open, pull some things out, then just put them back in so he has a cool scar in the event anyone ever questions it.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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It’s what I’d do. Best part is, Arte will go along with it since I already put some butts in seats and he doesn’t actually care about winning.

2pints
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2 months ago

Thinking about it, I have yet to see a single person wearing a Rendon jersey at a game. and I’ve been to around 10 games this season. Seen a bunch of Fletcher ones, to go along with the obvi Trout and Ohtani. But no Rendon. Wonder if Arte is regretting that signing, even before this injury filled season.

DowningDude
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2 months ago
Reply to  2pints

I have seen several shirtseys

2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

So its just my blind eyes then. I stand corrected

DowningDude
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2 months ago
Reply to  2pints

But I agree … No high dollar jerseys at all. Seen more Hamilton gear than Rendon gear!!!

2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

blasphemy

TapatioMan
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2 months ago
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Been to 1 game this year. Saw Hamilton gear. I was like…. huh?

Wonder if that’s the only option they had, were trying to be funny, or personally know the dude.

2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

guy probably just likes to party

TapatioMan
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2 months ago
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I was tempted to ask him. But he seemed … stuck up? Not nice? So I was like nehh

Darth_Duane
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2 months ago
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Probably bought it before he ever played a game. I got an ohtani jersey before he had ever played a game for instance. Also got a Hunter jersey as soon as they signed the contract.

TapatioMan
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2 months ago
Reply to  Darth_Duane

Yea that’s possible. What’s your “funniest” jersey you own?

Mo Vaughn?
Greinke? Etc

Darth_Duane
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2 months ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

I don’t own any that are particularly bad, I’ve gotten lucky on that front. I have a pujols Jersey i got as a gift before he ever played a game at the big A, maybe that counts ;-). I have some that didn’t turn in to super stars like Richards, etc. I have a friend that has a Jose Guillen jersey, that’s probably the “funniest” one I know of.

2pints
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2 months ago
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Dang man, jerseys ain’t cheap. I’m too non-committal to buy a jersey until I know if I like him and he’ll be around for a while. I respect your ability to just jump right in on a player.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
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Saw one Sunday. My first thought was “really?”

red floyd
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2 months ago
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Best one I ever saw was a Jose Guillen jersey, circa 2009 or so.

2pints
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2 months ago
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For some reason I remember vividly years ago a guy sitting in front of me with a Bootcheck jersey. I’m guessing he knew Bootcheck or was family, right?

2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Have they done a giveaway of Rendon shirts? Or were they shirts that people actually went out and purchased? I got a pretty cool Ohtani shirt last weekend at a game, otherwise I would literally never own an Ohtani shirt.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  2pints

I’ve seen the ones at the store. Says Angels in front then has Rendon and 6 on the back. You know, the old tried and true they’ve done for several players.

Seen a handful of fans wearing them. Come to think of it I might have seen one guy wearing an actual jersey. He was a huge Rendon fan sitting near us.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Same. Shirts but no real jerseys.

It’s like the Upton trade/signing. I never see Upton stuff, not even in the store. Rendon at least has gear in the store and I occasionally see a shirt.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago
Reply to  2pints

I’d want a Marsh or an Adell, maybe a Detmers

2pints
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2 months ago

Detmers likely has the least risk of getting traded, but Marsh/Adell I’d give it another season before buying their jersey. I still think one of them could get traded for pitching. I’ve been cruising all season in my Simba jersey, mainly because its the best one I have, but it does hurt to have a name of a guy playing for another team.

Darth_Duane
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2 months ago
Reply to  2pints

I own a rendon jersey, but I have worn other ones this year because he hasn’t been on the field much.

2pints
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2 months ago
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how many jerseys do you have?

Darth_Duane
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2 months ago
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I don’t want to go count, but a lot ;-). Granted they go back to the 70’s with ones that my father and uncle gave me from before i was born. At a guess i would say 35ish. I usually get one whenever we sign a big player or one signs an extension. I bought a fletch jersey this year for instance.

2pints
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2 months ago
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wow! 35?? thats awesome, respect. I only have two, Trout and Simmons. Ones white and ones red. been thinking about getting a new one from the ’94-’96 seasons as I really like the style from that era.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  Darth_Duane

That’s a solid collection. I have a red Trout, white Trout, throwback looking Hunter one.

DowningDude
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2 months ago
Reply to  2pints

Like “Operation” man and his nose lights up if the tweezers hit the sides

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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THIS, like the lack of MiLB investment, is just bad business. I’m not outraged, or insisting on some lame ass show of accountability or contrition. I’m don’t actually need someone to blame for this. Injuries happen, and unless it’s from being in terrible shape or roid damage I’m OK with that.

But f*** Arte! What did you lose, 60-70 million dollars to injury this year? What did hurt assed Pujols cost you? Bruh! At this point I’d spend spend more than ANY other team on medical staff…. I’m talking the army of internal medical staff that a major soccer team has. Spend 5 mil a year on it. It will save you tons of money in the end.

And for f*** sake find out where the dead indians are buried under your stadium and pull those suckers out of there!

2pints
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2 months ago

they’re dead guardians, not Indians. jeez

steelgolf
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2 months ago
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2pints wins today’s interwebz.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
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Genuine laugh here.

H.T. Ennis
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2 months ago

If he was rushed back early from the knee thing, that’s concerning. I would try and see what that process is like for clearing players.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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PS. Yeah, I know the contracts are insured, but he ties that money up in those players. The interest alone on that money sitting in his bank is sizable. He invested 30+ M in a player to hopefully make an extra 100 M winning games and selling shirts, etc. Arte’s got to do more to protect his investment in players, even if his training staff is actually OK, at this point he needs to go balls to the walls overkill on it.

Mia
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Mia
2 months ago

Eric_In_Portland was right all along.

Happy for him.

Just get right for 2022, Tony

tanana40
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2 months ago

Who?