LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Of The Month

Shohei Ohtani repeats as American League Player of the Month.  Meanwhile, Raisel Iglesias is the American League Reliever of the Month.

Jo Adell came up with Chris Rodriguez. He was scratched from the lineup card just before the game. Chris Rodriguez got the start.

Sam Selman was added to the Angels’ active roster on Saturday for what that’s worth.  

The news remains bad about Anthony Rendon and Mike Trout, although the outlook for Jared Walsh and Shohei Ohtani is much better. 

Bleacher Report thinks the Angels are going to be able to get Kevin Gausman this coming off season.  He’s another splitter guy, although presumably a lot more expensive than Alex Cobb. 

Links From Around Baseball

Japan beat the United States in the quarterfinals of Olympic Baseball.  The United States now faces an elimination game against the winner of the game between Israel and the Dominican Republic. 

More death threats are being leveled against a relief pitcher and his family over a blown lead in a baseball game.  People are completely out of control.

Fernando Tatis Jr. is back on the disabled list.  It’s his shoulder again.  

Tyler Glasnow, of the Rays, will be having Tommy John surgery next week

Josh Hader is now on the Brewers’ COVID list.

Waiver Wire Claims 

The Mariners claimed Marcus Wilson from the Red Sox

The Rangers claimed DJ Peters from the Dodgers

The Mets claim Jake Reed from the Rays

The Astros claim Jacob Wilson from the Athletics

The Pirates claim Anthony Banda from the Mets

The Tigers claim Nivaldo Rodriguez from the Astros

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Well. Matt Shoemaker is available. Anyone still beating that drum?

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago

2002 maybe ???

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 months ago

What’s our rotation? Detmers is now the ace, I think, unless it’s CRod. Ohtani, if he’s really going to pitch. Suarez, Barria.

We might as well have the kids pitch. If we were talking about replacing Quintana then there might be a discussion.

max
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max
2 months ago

Detmers is ‘now’ the ace? Sarcasm? Sandoval is our current ‘ace’, at least for the rest of the week.

SScott
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2 months ago

Zero expectations from here on out. Let’s see what the kids have to offer.

2002heaven
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2 months ago

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16th rd 2011 MLB Draft by the Chicago WS 😫  😥 

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

who is this? Mark McGwire?

2002heaven
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2 months ago

American League leader in wins ( beat Reid Detmers on Sunday 11-3 record ).

Last edited 2 months ago by 2002heaven
2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Wins??? Lmao

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I’m still drawing a blank

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago

Chris Bassitt….you know, the guy that slipped to 16th round 10 years ago.
That figured things out finally…..the Angels should have known this.

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

As well as all the other teams that did not take him, lol.

Twebur
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven
Fansince1971
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

You need serious therapy.

WallyChuckChili
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2 months ago

Walt Weiss?

2002heaven
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2 months ago

no silly Eppler looked like WW, LOL!!!

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

The type the Angels don’t typically develop after they draft. The fact he was a 16th rounder shows that every single club passed on him a minimum of 15 times. To say you had the foresight to see his breakout this year would be silly.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Those ears….clearly a Ferengi

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
2 months ago

That’s Taylor Ward!

SScott
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

So you’re saying you had him on your board before the the 16th round? Hindsight drills are dumb.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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2 months ago
Reply to  SScott

Fasten the seatbelt. 2002 has hundreds of these……

2002heaven
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2 months ago
Reply to  SScott

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No, I’m saying that A*te was OK with these guys working as scouts and coaches in our system. As long as they were cheap. 2010-2020 hopefully Perry’s doing something about it. Bottom line it ain’t happening overnight or in one season.

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SScott
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

So every other team was equally idiotic when they passed on him at least a dozen or more times? Your schtick is weird.

2002heaven
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2 months ago
Reply to  SScott

And why does this mob keep bashing the field skipper?
We’ve been though this for 4 years ( Scioscia, Ausmas and now Maddon ).
I don’t think I’ve criticized any of these field managers including Scioscia more than 5 times. I put my criticism where it’s deserved ( at the top of the food chain owner & GM and then the farm system director, same reason why CEO’s who suck are voted out by a committee or bad generals are relieved of their command…….whether by Apple or by the US Army in WW2 and both John Scully lll and Lloyd Fredendall got sacked for being lousy leaders ). Wars are usually won with superior training, preparation, and strategy.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

This is totally true. The issue everyone has is that NOT drafting a hindsight All-Star in the later rounds isn’t an example of this. Years and years of NO 1st round pick to sign FAs, THEN not spending on scouting to nail good players in rounds 2 and 3? That’s an example of what you’re talking about.

SScott
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2 months ago

Ding ding ding.

Process matters. Results matter too, but results based analysis is not very helpful.

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Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

You dip shit I’ve been bashing Angel field managers since Bobby Winkles was the manager back in1973. Hell Gene Mauch was the poster child of getting criticized. In his second stint at the helm he was so worried about getting booed at home games he’d send out the pitching coach (Marcel Lachemann) to make the pitching changes.

So please take your paper asshole pontifications somewhere else.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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2 months ago

The minor league home run leader!

Twebur
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2 months ago

That’s Annie’s boyfriend…..I wonder if the Angels have an Annie that works with our players…….maybe she should be fired

red floyd
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2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

[insert Angela GIF here]

YOUknowulovetheIE
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2 months ago

We aren’t mathematically eliminated yet, but I’m giving up now. The news of trout and rendon was the icing on the cake. Those 2 won’t be back until april 2022. It’s frustrating being a fan of this team.

Twebur
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WallyChuckChili
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2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Let the Kids Play!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Forest Gump and Benjamin Buford “Bubba” Blue?

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
2 months ago

Someone asked if Marsh is Gump does that mean Adell is Bubba when Marsh got called up

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
2 months ago

If the meme fits…..

I find it odd he’s carrying Adell across the threshold – not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago

Marsh is Jesus, carry Adell through troubled times. All of those Strikeouts

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WallyChuckChili
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2 months ago

It’s in the tea leads
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Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago

I threw the towel in on this year a couple of weeks ago. But unlike so many other fruitless Angels years this one actually has some intrigue as youngsters are being given the chance to make next year’s squad.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I actually do hope they can still find a way to battle and get to .500

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago

Rec for use of “Elf” meme.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
2 months ago

Selman on the roster is worth less than zero.

Trout and Rendon are nursing muscle injuries, neither has had surgery, and neither have broken bones. They should be traveling with the team and making contributions in the development of team.

Bleacher Report is full of crap.

Have a great day!

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago

Very little info on Rendon.

I found this little nugget (if you want to call it that) on mlb.com:

Rendon has not had any setbacks with his left hamstring strain, but he also hasn’t made any noticeable strides in his recovery to the point where he could take the next step in his rehab.

So, what else is new?

El_Duderino
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2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Sounds pretty bad if he’s not able to take any strides or even one next step.

eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

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H.T. Ennis
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2 months ago

Why is Selman worth less than zero?

El_Duderino
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2 months ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Because Sell-man! 🙁

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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2 months ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

IMHO – he’s an organizational arm, he’s not someone we build around

H.T. Ennis
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2 months ago

That…doesn’t mean he’s worth less than zero?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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2 months ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Fair point.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
2 months ago

You need to build around one of three players we got for an aging relief pitcher we got for little money a week before the season?

Who did you expect to get for Watson – Scherzer and Trea Turner?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
2 months ago

How did you know? That was exactly the return I expected from Watson: Scherzer, Trea Turner and Tina Turner.

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 months ago

At 81, Can she pitch?

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Absolutely. Her spin rate on all pitches is off the charts.

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Remember…we need hitters now.

Can she hit? Is Ike still alive, he’d know.

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

She’s had a lot of hits in the past…

DowningDude
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

She has decent pitch under the Thunder Dome.

angelslogic
Super Member
2 months ago

Prediction: Ohtani will not three-peat as American League Player of the Month.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

I suspect he’ll be sitting alot of games in August (between pitching starts).

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

dang. It’s August 3rd. That means two games have been played in August. My prediction: Ohtani will end August with 45 HRs. That might not be enough to get player of the month, even with a few pitching Ws but it’s still going to be fun watching it happen.

Brent
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2 months ago

Holy shit, did not realize Rendon’s contract was 7/245… 5 more years of this with him?I tried looking for the CtPG post about signing him but looks like it wasn’t around yet so I found the post on HH (with 610 replies) and it was generally favorable. Lots of funny replies though about go and get pitching now (then). A lot of playoff expectations/hope that day.

I said I just hope he doesn’t turn into a Freese 2.0. And, well,,,

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Brent

And for you added pleasure Rendon’s contract was totally backloaded. After this year, its a 5 year/195 million extravaganza with next year being a whopping $36.6 million. Couple that with Trout’s $37.1 million and J Up’s $28 big ones thats over $101 million for 3 players. Arte claims that he doesn’t just go by the CBT threshhold that he has some internal annual budget amount. So even with Grandpa coming off the books, known increases to Ohtani & Fletcher and the big 3 will eat up most of Grandpas 2022 salary savings. It makes you wonder what we will be doing at shortstop next year fer sure.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

no problem at short. We can wait until one is released in late March, then swoop in and sign him.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Thanks for pointing this out. Most people are saying with Pujols off the books the Angels can sign some serious free agents.

Not the way Rendon’s contract is structured. It is essentially a lateral move. Fortunately 2022 is the last year of Upton.

We desperately need a couple of cost controlled starters to emerge, hopefully some bullpen pieces. That’s why I’m happy the kids are getting to play the rest of the way this year.

Really, the money Perry will have will come from Bundy, Quintana, Cobb, Heaney, the two Iglesias, Suzuki, and Cisheck. Pretty save to say Sandoval and another kid will take over for Bundy and Quintana, saving $13 million. But we’ll need to replace all these guys otherwise.

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Isn’t threshold AAV, not actuals?

H.T. Ennis
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Yes, but we think Arte caps actual payroll.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Certain Arte looks at actual payroll rather than AAV. Which makes sense as a business owner in a lot of ways. But it sucks as a fan.

Rendon’s AAV won’t double this off season but his actual payroll number will.

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

With Gpa coming off the books, our CBT number will actually go down next year despite the big numbers. Its unknown how the new CBA will impact those calculations, but if Arte does his own internal budgeting , Other than paying a tax/penalty, I’m not sure how relevant the CBT really is to him.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago

Re : Gausman

Of course if we got him next year he would be another in a long list of Buttercups.

Not surprisingly he is having a career year in SF. He has career lows in FIP and WHIP. We could expect that with us he’d regress to his career mean and probably have a FIP around 4.00 and we would not see anything like the 3.09 (2020) or the 3.01 (2021) that he has put up for the Giants.

Winning culture and environment will do that.

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H.T. Ennis
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2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

He’s also regressed heavily since the sticky stuff ban, IIRC.

tommyshalo
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2 months ago

I usually avoid succumbing to hate but Angels baseball has been bad enough that my biggest interest will be at Chavez Ravine.
Looking forward to seeing the other team destroy the cheaters. No mercy and please don’t allow cheaters anything which MFY failed to do.comment image

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  tommyshalo

Sorry, but I hate the Dodgers more than I hate the Astros.

And it really is not close. I will not be rooting for the Doyers in this series.

tommyshalo
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Oh of course there’s that.
Have seen sincere hate in that direction but must confess that
I had no idea which you hate more.

Last edited 2 months ago by tommyshalo
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Everyone should do anything they can to screw the Dodgers (who probably also cheat) and their fans. Also, f*** the Lakers, I mean Yankees…. I get them mixed up. B-List and small market teams all the way baby!

eyespy
Super Member
2 months ago

Angels, small market, or am I confused that this is another non committal comment that you will try to wiggle out of?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  eyespy

Nah. Angels are B-List…. like the Mets. It’s fine with me.

Last edited 2 months ago by gitchogritchoffmypettis
Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago

Clippers should B on that list…

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

the Portland Trailblazers say “hi”

eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

It’s wanting to watch good baseball and hearing good announcers that drive me to that Spectrum of the universe.

But I never root for no team but the Halos

Twebur
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2 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

Root against teams as much as I root for mine.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Screw them both. Screw Houston who definitely cheated and their bandwagon, ass hat fans. Screw the doyers who almost certainly cheat and their front running, know Jack shit about baseball history fans.

I’m hoping the ground opens up and swallows both teams tonight.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Jeff, my ancestors were swallowed up by an angry volcano when they failed to supply it with a human sacrifice and copious amounts of Sunkist soda.

Be better Jeff.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
2 months ago

Were your ancestors Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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No. 2013 26th Round pick in the MLB draft. Could have been ours! Oh no! Fondue Trend =  💪  💪  💪  💪  💪  hee hee! Lickity poo I covered in goo! Eppler can’t hop like a frog!
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Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago

Career cut short with chronic hemorrhoids.

And don’t forget 2013 all of our scouting focused on signing Baldoquin. So we missed on Abe.

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago

Do you have Brain Cloud or something, Wally?

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Just a movie called Joe vs the Volcano

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I will be rooting for the Giant Meteor.

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Ha ha. Yes, take them both out at the same time !

red floyd
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2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I did that during the Bosux-Doyers world series too.

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

For me that was the nightmare scenario: the two teams I hate the most in the World Series, which meant of course that one had to win !

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Only Series in my lifetime I didn’t watch. I caught a few innings in that crazy extra innings affair and that was it.

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

how did your knees hold up?

Cowboy26
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Hey not too giant . Some of us have family that live near that shithole.

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

OK, How about Moderately Sized Meteor?

tommyshalo
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2 months ago
Reply to  tommyshalo

Just don’t let it be that old master(Alb…. Puj…) who strikes.

H.T. Ennis
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2 months ago
Reply to  tommyshalo

Yup, basically this. Dodgers have a lot of likeable players! Hope they beat the Astros as long as it’s not Pujols who does the damage.

AnAngelsFan
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2 months ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Poo-holes update:

He is still hitting substantially better with the Dodgers (110+ OPS) than he has with the Angels since 2017. He has appeared in 52 games with the Dodgers but started only 31 times, so he is being utilized as a pinch hitter/1B sub in almost half of his games.

He’s hitting .311/.349/.602 against LHP and .182/.237/.281 RHP this season, so his greater success with the Dodgers (.268/.311/.464) is almost certainly entirely related to increased at-bats against left-handed pitchers.

He’s probably getting more playing time with the Dodgers than he would as a role player with the Angels, but it is still infuriating that he complained about potentially being restricted to a limited role with the Angels only to gladly accept a limited role with another team.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

That’s what bugs me. Also that he’s likely older than he says. Also that we’re paying his salary.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

We may hate the guy, but you have to admit he’s gotten the last laugh thus far.

2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Only reason Pujols has gotten any starts is due to Dodgers injuries. Once they’re fully healthy I expect Pujols to be a PH in the vast majority of games.

Be prepared to see at least a couple late inning clutch hits by Pujols in the postseason. I’m getting ready so I’m not as mad when it happens.

Jim Atkins
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2 months ago
Reply to  tommyshalo

Kind of like choosing between anthrax and bubonic plague.

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

Ah yes, I had the Ebola.

Jim Atkins
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

I’m old school. None of these newfangled tropical viruses for me!

Fansince1971
Super Member
2 months ago

The Trout and Rendon thing really confuses me and, I must admit, pisses me off a bit. Over $600 million is committed to these players and I just don’t see the fire to get healthy and return. I realize I’m looking at the issue through “fans” eyes but with so little information provided it’s easy to let the mind wander. For example, what is Rendon’s diagnosis? His status? What is he doing to get better? What discomfort is Trout having? What therapy is he receiving? What is his status?

Neither are traveling with the team – why?

Maybe a message to the fans once in a while?

The lack of transparency can make it very easy to perceive that these players are collecting their money and not really caring.

Last edited 2 months ago by Fansince1971
AnAngelsFan
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2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’m pretty sure Trout would like to do two things: win a WS and obtain stats proving he is the GOAT. At this point in the season, the first isn’t going to happen, but I’m pretty sure he would rather be on the field padding his stats than not playing.

Trout’s injury is career threatening. I know because I had a calf strain about 7 years ago. To this day there is a visible difference in my calf muscles and I sometimes can’t run because I feel it about to tear again.

If Trout comes back too early and makes it worse or tears something else, he could lose the ability to play any position other than DH and could lose his leg power, making him worthless as a DH. It is far better for him to miss the rest of the season than to come back too soon just to appease fans.

Last edited 2 months ago by AnAngelsFan
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Ooooorrrrr…. he and Rendon are soft, he’s just collecting money and the team is hiding it from us because Arte is a narcissist. Arte doesn’t care about winning, just butts in seats, and he knows thousands more fans will attend a game if they aren’t sure how long a star player will be on the IL. This is the most likely scenario. I lay the fact that calf strains, turf toe and busted knee caps take forever to heal squarely at Arte’s feet.

eyespy
Super Member
2 months ago

Where did you get this from the OP’s comment?

Sounds like he is being sympathetic towards Mike Trout’s injury, and not once did I read Mr. Moreno’s name.

RE-LAX

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  eyespy

Hy Per Bowl Eeee

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
2 months ago

It’s all Andrew’s fault.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

We’ve been totally on to him for years. Thank Gah that guy on HH revealed the Angel’s private Q-ANON info to us! Now those of us who know know…. you know?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
2 months ago

I know.

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago

So ANDREW is the guy who keeps Trout and Rendon from doing more rehab?

Fansince1971
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Point of my post is that we, as fans, should be given more information. We get essentially none which is frustrating.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That I won’t argue with.

Simba
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Your personal experience with a calf strain really has no relationship to Trout’s.

There are all sorts of degrees of strains. I also had a partial tear that spontaneously popped as I was running the bases – I’d estimate about a third) of my medial gastrocnemius (fancy words for the fat part of the calf). I had to wear a boot for 1-2 months and was on crutches for another month or so. Maybe out 3-4 months before able to return to the basepaths. But the recovery was 100%.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

So, in short, if you don’t hear anything from the Angels PR operation (who notoriously gives out little information), your take away is that the players don’t care?

Do you know any professional athlete that would rather just sit around than play the game? It takes immense fire to play at an elite level.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 months ago

Josh Hamilton? Okay, he is the exception that proves the rule.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

Unless your name is Kendry’s, your rehab trainer is your cousin, and little chocolate donuts are a big part of your training diet.

Fansince1971
Super Member
2 months ago

Again – the point of my post was that it’s easier for ones mind to go there without transparency from the organization. I thought I was clear on this but, if not, that’s what I was saying.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I get you. But considering how unreliable information from this organization is, I’m fine with silence.

Consider that Maddon has directly stated all of Upton, Rendon, Fowler, and Walsh were dealing with minor things that shouldn’t keep them out more than a couple of days and you realize just how worthless official information is here.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

THAT’S the only thing I’d change. “It’s been an hour since the injury happened and I’ve been managing a baseball game for all of that, but I DO wear glasses and read hipster books, so I’m pretty close to being a doctor. Now let me tell you that this injury isn’t anything to worry about….”

I wish he’d be a little more “football” about it and just mumble that we won’t know how a hurt player looks till he tries to practice in a couple days.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I get that, but really your mind shouldn’t go there. You have watched Trout for how long now, how he plays, how he goes all out, all the time – and then decide he just wants to sit at home? It doesn’t fit.

Maybe you know lots of lazy people, but it doesn’t match with these guys – not as I have watched them play. If anything Rendon has been coming back too early, not phoning it in.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Very well said Fan. And I share your frustration.

We do know a little bit more about Trout. He did of course travel with the team to Oakland, but then he had that setback (if we want to call it that) where “felt something” in his calf. At least with him I understand and get the anxiety about the proximity of calf to achilles tendon and the frequent relationship between calf injuries and achilles tendon injuries…

Mike is a sports fan so he certainly saw and was aware of what happened to Kevin Durant and how his torn achilles was preceded by a seemingly small calf injury etc..Kevin Durant: What really caused his Achilles tear with Warriors? (clutchpoints.com)

So, at least with Mike I think one could justify this extreme caution. But Rendon? Things have been mysteriously silent with and about him. Like you I want to know more. And I agree that the “vibe” there is not good. I don’t sense a burning desire to get back.

I don’t want to ascribe motivations (or lack thereof) to a player and person I don’t know, but when it is a veteran coming off freshly signing a big contract and a recent Championship it is easy for a fanbase to think the worst, especially a franchise like ours that have seen more than our fair share of less than highly motivated high-paid FA’s come our way in the 2nd half of their careers; Josh Hamilton etc..Vernon Wells was of course a trade but he was also a high paid dud.

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SScott
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2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Your last paragraph is gold. I have to constantly remind myself to not judge the Renon through the lens of so many other bad veteran signings. I’m frustrated with his situation, but I have to be careful to not misjudge him based off of what’s happened with other players.

SScott
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2 months ago
Reply to  SScott

**to not judge Rendon…

Don’t know how I botched that sentence so badly

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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What’s a bummer is, just based on Maddon’s vague comment, it sounds like Rendon’s not exactly enjoying being on the IL.

Fansince1971
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2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Exactly! Without any transparency it’s easy to go ‘there’.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

But most extremely importantly, given that this is a person’s medical information, what right do you have to any of this? Most teams are as vague about this stuff as the CBA requires and most players aren’t gonna want to play for a team that blabs about their injuries just to keep nosey fans from questioning their “fire”.

Though, it is of note, when a player is really really lagging on purpose, a lot of the time the team finds a back handed way of expressing that. Still, that is almost always a player that has screwed the pooch so much that most other players aren’t going to hold it against the team when they do that.

Fansince1971
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2 months ago

You’re right. I have no legal right to the info. But with two star players earning around $70 million between them this season, there is a PR and optic aspect that I believe should result in some transparency. It’s frustrating for the fans so being kept somewhat apprised would be good public relations. Without it…..a mind can easily wander.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Yes. But with a CBA, and more importantly with HIPPA, not to mention the fact that injuries are fickle, it doesn’t matter how bad you want it, or if they make $17 an hour, you can’t have much more than vague guesses mumbled by our manager.

Besides, this is CtPG. As soon as they ever get “transparent” and declare the specific injury to a specific spot with all the severity info and treatment being done, then set a hard return date, everyone will shit themselves and some douche pile will collectively declare the Angels as medically criminal because THEY know what’s up, THEIR wife made them watch all the Grey’s Anatomy PLUS they knew a doctor once. Especially if that date gets missed. You’d be unhappy.

The way people are on internet boards like this, if they asked me to get specific about the color of the sky I’d say it’s specifically a light shade of fuck off. What actual benefit is there for the team or player in being “transparent”?

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red floyd
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2 months ago

The question is, “Are the Angels a Covered Entity per HIPAA?”

Given that they have a team doctor, I’d probably say yes, they are.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  red floyd

Also, given that I’ve never seen any other team be all that “transparent” makes me suspect that they can’t be…. not without troubles.

eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Addiction

eyespy
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2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Honest question, because I don’t go looking at other teams’ issues unless they fall in my lap.

Do the other, any, organizations release more detailed reports about their players? I know the NFL, and NBA seem to be pretty vague, hush-hush, about what is going on quite a bit. What about the MLB? Are there rules forcing them to say more?

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Yes. Had not read your comment when I wrote mine Charles, but you are right. The NHL is very similar to the NFL in this manner.

Jeff Joiner
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2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

‘Upper body injury” isn’t specific enough for you?

For real, hockey players are probably the toughest athletes out there. They beat the crap out of each other every game and play as many as the NBA floppers do. No wonder it seems like half of them head to surgery at the end of their years.

Fansince1971
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2 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

I think it depends on the way their PR department handles things. Maybe the Angels are more interested in selling tickets to future games, so they do not want to reveal the realities of the injuries to these two highly paid star athletes. Again – that is speculation that occurs because of the lack of transparency. That is my frustration.

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

In the NFL in particular I know most teams are pretty vague about their injury reports. Each team is required to submit a full report each week, however, they are only required to list status as “probable”, “questionable,” or “doubtful.”

The reason for this in the NFL is pretty clear. Being a full contact sport if the opposition knew the specifics of injuries they would in many cases target those injuries. So there fans often don’t know much. Of course in baseball it would be hard for opponents to “target” injuries so there would be no real reason for an organization to not share the info with the fanbase. I will say I am not sure what language would be in the CBA about HIPPAA and injury info. Certainly the team itself would have to contractually have access to all relevant medical info or info that would effect his ability to play (I imagine even if a player goes to a doctor other than the team physician that he would be required to share diagnosis, prognosis etc ).

I am not a lawyer but would imagine that any injury sustained in play or in service of the club (training etc) would fall under this. Perhaps someone with a legal background could share details.

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Fansince1971
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2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I am not asking for medical records. I would think there would be a way to keep the fan base up to speed without sharing the intimate details. For example, maybe they tell us now that it is unlikely Trout will return for the season rather than keep us guessing. Maybe something about how hard he is working abd how disappointed he is to probably not be able to play the rest of the season. Maybe something about how he is working hard to come back at 100% next year.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

If I were Trout, and I hadn’t agreed to shut it down for the season (something I’m sure would make the news) and the team blabbed about my maybe writing off the last months, etc I would be PISSED.

JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

In the case of Rendon I would agree. We have heard nothing to speak of.

Disagree on Trout though. We have actually heard and seen quite a bit with him, including video of him running the bases in Oakland and first person reports etc..

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  eyespy

The NFL injured lists are purposefully misleading even. Keeps apposing teams guessing as to roster strength.

El_Duderino
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2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The Trout and Rendon situation confuses me too.

My guess is they’ve decided to rest both of our heroes until next season. Not only let them heal, but to save a few miles on the old treads at the same time.

These two are married to the Angels for basically the rest of their careers, so their future is more valuable than this year, particularly.

Also it’s another opportunity to let Marsh and now Adell get ready for their future potential roles.

We’ll probably see these guys (Trout/Rendon) make appearances later in the season in limited “rehab” appearances but not full time.

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2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

They’re professional athletes that want their body to be in a position to avoid re-injury before they come back. I’m good with that. Just because you aren’t getting info you want at the time you want it in no way means they are intentionally being lazy and just want to chill to collect their checks. To even assume that is just ridiculous and pretty disrespectful. You think Artie isn’t getting updates on his two priciest players’ health? And you think Arte would be cool if the dr told Arte that Trout is healthy and should be able to play just fine but seems to just not want to? Give these athletes some credit, they’ve lived and breathed this game for 90% of their lives and care about their legacies. Honestly this just seems like something a spoiled fan pulling a Varuca Salt “I want a golden injury update now daddy!”

Commander_Nate
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2 months ago
Reply to  2pints

I think I sorta split the difference between Fansince1971 and the other responses here. Nobody needs to commit a HIPPA violation, just give clear and consistent basic picture of what’s going on. Also strongly agree with JackFrost’s last paragraph above. It’s a matter of perception and frustration built up with this franchise over the past…decade or so thanks to other much more questionable players than Trout and Rendon.

We all have to have had frustrated thoughts like Fansince1971 this summer in one form or another. For me it comes from wanting to see this team succeed and getting screwed out of the opportunity yet again. We all invest far more time than normal people into this sport and franchise as evidenced by posting here, yet it’s like going to a show and half the bands on the bill are out indefinitely for vaguely defined reasons with few or no updates.

I have to think this affects the players themselves too unless they’re getting better info. I certainly hope they are because it has to be frustrating on some level to be David Fletcher or Shohei Ohtani carrying all this weight on your shoulders wondering when help is coming. I believe guys like Mayfield and Gosselin are trying their best, but should they be frontmanning the band indefinitely or are they really just touring guitarists meant to play backing parts here and there?

I don’t think Trout or Rendon are lazy or bad people at all, but the team’s really botched the PR on this, and in showbusiness, which sports are a form of, that’s kind of a big deal. Trout they at least made the basic situation clear in the beginning and there were multiple articles and segments detailing how serious and lingering calf injuries can be. Rendon…I don’t know that I’ve heard a clear, basic explanation of what his latest issue is until that OCR article linked above. How hard is it to say, “strained x muscle, 4 weeks minimum” and then add or subtract as that time nears? Instead it’s weeks past the initial estimate for Trout (did we even get one for Rendon?) and they’re basically being coy. We don’t need a copy of their medical records, just ask the trainer for a new estimate and put it out there. Simple as that.

I’ll just say again: it’s frustrating for fans who want to see and support the high art that is baseball, and probably for their teammates too, who are trying to perform for each other and for us.

2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  Commander_Nate

Fair enough, I’m fine discussing displeasure regarding the team being vague with injury info. It’s when the players heart and commitment come into question where I roll my eyes.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Commander_Nate

The only problem is, most of us will not like the honest answer either.

Trainer – “We don’t know when they’ll be back. When shit doesn’t hurt anymore and their range of motion isn’t impeded. Could be days, could be weeks. We will know when we know.”

CtPG – Sets hair on fire. Desperately searching for someone to blame, declares GM a moron. Trots out some tired internet memes from 2011. Questions various people’s heart and grit and sack and what ever. Lays it squarely at Arte’s feet. Same as if no one said anything.

Who benefits from transparency in this case?

2pints
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2 months ago

I think it’s obvious who benefits, Chris Basset. He’s got 11 wins FFS

matthiasstephan
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2 months ago

This is exactly right. One can’t put a fixed timeline on a return from injury. We might thing ‘calf strain, grade 3, 6-8 weeks’, but those are averages and no specific injury fits exactly. He will be back when he isn’t risking injury, when he feels he can play all out, like he always does. That is the timeline, however hard that is for others to process.

Commander_Nate
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2 months ago

Totally understand, but an organization like the Angels can still communicate the change in timeline in a professional manner. Six to eight weeks was the initial estimate. You can ask the training staff for an updated estimate. Doesn’t need to be totally accurate, can just be sort of a guess, can change again if needed, but it’s a lot better than being overdue and basically shrugging their shoulders like they are now.

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Commander_Nate
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2 months ago

Most of us won’t like it in the sense that a key player is out for at least (fill in the blank), but the clear communication and at least some sense of when they’ll be back goes a long way to keeping fans invested.

It’s just basic PR and stakeholder communications, something I deal with weekly as part of my job. If we don’t communicate clearly with the Hill or with contractors about schedule issues for example, things don’t get delivered properly and/or our budgets get impacted. Plus it creates bad faith for future business, especially if it’s something the trade press runs away with. For the Angels, the stakeholders are mainly fans…I guess media too and they’re not giving much of a reason to stay invested in the team. In fact, they’re kind of giving off an image of incompetence or even a little dishonesty (your earlier comment about Maddon needing to shut up when he doesn’t know is a good example).

In the end, the Angels would benefit from having a better image with fans than they do now on this front. And that may translate into more dollars going their way, for one example, or at least fewer questions and articles that make them look lost.

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AnAngelsFan
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2 months ago

This post is short and sweet, hitting all the key requirements.

Pretty much the exact opposite of the Angels’ season.

Cowboy26
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2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Hitters gonna hit. Non hitters are just going to suck.

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JackFrost
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2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Yep. Don’t want to wish him ill, but I have to admit that it certainly would have bothered me if Heaney got to New York and immediately threw 7 shoutout innings in his first start or something like that…

At least now I feel confirmation in my view that we made a good trade, which we undoubtedly did.

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matthiasstephan
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2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

The links are great. Perfectly informative 🙂

2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

You’re no Stirrups 😉

WallyChuckChili
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2 months ago
Reply to  2pints

We you you got to Stir Up shit?

red floyd
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2 months ago

He may stir up shit, but he’s no Designatedforassignment. That dude is the most rec’d ever on AN.

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2pints
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2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

He’s a legend