A’s 2, Angels 0
On May 27, 2021, this was the postgame I turned in.
Chris Bassitt pretty much owned the Angels again, so let’s just take a look at some of the comments from two months ago and analyze them, for fun.
Hmm, I guess? Still, Trout/Rendon/Walsh are currently injured.
Our record vs. teams above .500 and teams below .500 exemplifies this.
This take aged well.
Good news! Now hitting .229 and .240!
From the Gamethread: “Melvin trolls the Angels: puts in his shitty relief pitcher Romo and is not worried (sic) the Angels scoring.”
Bullpen management continues to frustrate, although it has gotten a little better.
Not particularly relevant.
Yup, we’re there.
See you all tomorrow!
Angels bare A’ss runs streak now at 27 innings and have scored a measly 1 run in 44 innings against the White Elephants.
Time to develop the future. This season is flushed down the drain
I like that we are starting the Detmers era on Sunday. I’m also ok with Barria getting starts as maybe his new faster fastball will become a staple. I don’t understand having Bundy in the rotation but unless C Rod is ready to comeback into the rotation ( And I’m not sure he’s been the same pitcher since his last injury) the Angels really have no other options with the Cobb injury.
Relative to other “prospects” It’s time to bring Jo Adell back up. He now has amassed 332 PA’s at AAA . Even though his strike rate is still a little excessive and his walk rate is a little low, in July he is slashing .343/.393/.608 for a 1.001 OPS . Last years MLB debut has tarnished his record but promoting him and seeing tangible results at the highest levels will at the very least , enhance his trade value.
Also, 30 year old Jack Mayfield is not the answer either as a back up or starter. Mikey Stefanic should get a shot at 3B or 2B with him or Fletch turning into a utility player along the lines of Mighty Maicer. In 210 AAA Plate Appearances he’s hitting .328/.414/.486 He could even hit leadoff with just enough power to be dangerous.
I think the future looks bright but we need to build for 2022.
A’ss Clubhouse: “Have a great game, let’s go get’um. They are our rivals. GO BIG A’ss!”
Angels Clubhhouse: “Did everyone get their paychecks? Um, no. Do you participate in direct deposit? Everyone’s gets deposited at different times, yes, yes, okay, you need to check your account day to day. Let’s get to work.”
Agree Cowboy…time to turn the page on 2021. Still a bit bothered that we could not get in on the prospect haul some teams were sending out. If we recognize today that it is time to develop the future, this came 24 hrs too late. Our best trade chip should have been sent out. I like Rasiel and hope we sign him for 2022, but you need to go Mike Rizzo and make shit happen. Fauck!
My other opinion is, keep Adell down to light a fire in his belly. Watching guys around him get promoted to the show, better twist his gonads in a knot and make him bust his ass and develop the skill he needs or he is not cut from the cloth of greatness. In contrary, I love the way Marsh runs the bases, with a furor, no showboating. None of that Tatis crap until your Tatis.
It is interesting that Barria’s fastball has suddenly jumped up in velocity.
Let’s see if he is able to maintain that.
Or gets tested
83-79 will be the Angels’ record this season based on the remaining games. Which will be progress. The swami has spoken.
In 2001 Halos finished 12 games under only to jump to 36 games over the following year. Baseball is a sport where teams can go worst to first and it is not like one season is predictive measure. Not making the post-season…season is a failure.
completely disagree, this team hasn’t had a winning record in 6 years. I am completely ok with missing the playoffs but the season will really be a failure without a winning record. It is symbolic.
I’m no scientist, but unless the Angels have shifted to being a AAA club, then having more wins than the season before generally means the team is better than it was the year before…. especially if 3 of your 4 best players are hurt.
That is interesting. Nice tidbit. Shows the Angels have been showcasing him a bit. Sadly, he’s not turning on baseballs yet.
Prospects TLDR: Small but electric, Meyer’s upper 90s heat and devastating slider have left scouts drooling, but he’s not without some relieve risk.
I’m not gushing over Marsh like some folks here. Packaging him up for an arm is just fine by me but I would target MLB tested talent.
I’m a believer in Marsh. I like his plate discipline and his defense abilities. I think he’s going to be a very fine ball player. That said, I would have been happy with that trade given the Angels need for quality arms.
I’m a big fan of Marsh’s beard and hair. Love seeing that mane fly as runs around the bases and outfield
Not enough “Flying Mane” running on the bases.
Too much “Flying Mane” in the outfield chasing hard it balls.
Yeah, exactly. For a 6’4” guy, sure slaps at the ball defending the strike zone a lot, like to see him drive the ball a bit more. It’s early, I’m pulling for him.
Got fooled? Too many catcalls distracting the slut?
From watching Marsh last night. He does have a good sense of the strike zone even better than the home plate umpire. Unfortunately when he was swinging at pitches in the zone it looked like he tried to pull the outside pitch to right while trying to take the inside pitches to the opposite field all leading to outs. He also kept getting exposed with high heat up in the zone on 2 strike counts. I believe most of his recent strike outs occurred on this pitch.
Comparing him to Adell is not fair. Even though Marsh is striking out about 1/3 of the time. he’s still walking at a much higher rate than Adell could ever attain. Marsh should also continue to develop his power providing he doesn’t start chasing pitches out of the zone.
I seen that a couple of games ago from Marsh.
Trying to do things with the pitches instead of letting the pitches do there thing. Werth.
He definitely didn’t run hard enough for what should’ve been an easy out last night.
The second inning single? He misread the ball off of the bat and then couldn’t recover in time.
I think it’s pretty clear that, after a few games, Marsh is a bust, does not have a fire in his belly, is not a baseball man, is not cut from baseball cloth, does not feel urgency in his loins and other bullshit.
Or he’s just getting fooled by better pitching than he’s ever seen and needs a while to adjust. Also, OF is hard, much harder than just watching an outfielder on TV. I don’t think Lou Brock could survive the scrutiny of OF play on this board.
How can anyone be angry when the post starts with an adorable puppers?
Here’s the reality: if we’re going to burn it down after every loss, it’s going to get very redundant in here. Right now I’m looking forward to Marsh getting better with every MLB at bat, and excited to have Detmers on the bump on Sunday.
Brighter days are ahead…..in the 2022 season
While I agree with the “not burning it down” take, as well as your 2022 take, I do question the sentiment that we can look forward to “Marsh getting better with every MLB at bat (.)”
Not saying that won’t eventually happen. But I am not sure it will happen either.
“Brighter days are ahead…..in the 2022 season.”
Ie “Wait til next year” copyright Chicago Cubs.
If there is a player strike, or a lockout, you may be right. Angels cannot lose games they do not play.
Thought that was a Baby Pic of Marsh.
I am done scoreboard watching and being a regular viewer each game for now. I’ll hope we can turn this around next season with healthy position players, good starting pitching and updated bullpen. I will get my Shohei fix on YouTube to see his highlights.
meanwhile, with deGrom shut down until September I think I’ll take Gibson’s 312 innings of 1.12 ball over deGrom’s 92 innings of 1.08.
That game sucked. I don’t even need to look at the comments below. Let me guess….
I don’t give a shit. We just traded for a pitcher named Junk today. No one can take that away from me.
Isn’t this what this site is for?
Sure, I didn’t say not to comment (unless you’re 2002, then don’t comment). I just said I know what’s gonna be said, it’s tired AF cause it’s the same stuff said 80 times a year by the same people, I don’t give a shit, I’m stoked on Junk.
But yeah, comment away. Hell, maybe someone will come up with something new. Plus, JUNK!
and from the mlb.com recap
“They’ve scored just one run over their last 43 innings against Oakland”
Los Angeles Angels released LHP Alex Claudio.
not DFA. Released.
This will make me happiest when it is Cishek.
Trout finally returning in September…
He’s coming back early?
It’s just so ugly losing to Oakland like this. Frankly it’s embarrassing. That said with Rendon, Trout and Walsh in the lineup things might be different. Starting pitching has been pretty darn good lately.
All In all, the starters have been above average. Only a few stinkers last couple months.
We have seen this movie before. When they pitch, they don’t hit. When they hit, they don’t pitch.
I think we all knew coming into this series it was gonna be a bloodbath with the lineup we put out nightly. But the absolute worst part is seeing how bad Marsh looks at the plate. Looks Adell-ish. Had high hopes at least for him. No bueno. Lastly I know Eaton had a hit tonight and Mayfield is hit or miss at 3b but c’mon man try something new! Giving journeymen with no future with us these precious ABs in a lost season makes 0 sense!! Give Rojas/Thaiss and Adell the AB’s the rest of the year.
You don’t get off on the right foot or inspire fear in your opponent when the pitcher you roll out there for the very important first game is Dylan Bundy.
I know this is a four game set, but similar logic applies; the team who wins the first game of a three game series wins that series in a high percentage of cases.
The Angels don’t seem to get this. That is why they typically roll out one of their weaker pitchers every time we start a “big” series. This is what happened in that Friday night game in the first of those two Seattle series;
we rolled out Heaney, he gave up alot of runs, we got beat of course, and the tone was set for that series and in essence the six vs. Seattle.
Good teams don’t do this. They will tweak their rotation if they have to, they’ll plan ahead, make adjustments etc so a pivotal series against a division rival that is key in the standings will be opened by their best pitcher, or at least one of their two best.
The Rays do this, the Dodgers do this, but the Angels don’t do this. It is no surprise we get beat in these series.
But don’t worry cause Shohei Ohtani will be there to start against the Rockies or the Rangers, lol..
This rant might make sense if the starting pitching were responsible for these two losses in Oakland.
But alas, it was the OF. What is your solution there?
This is an ongoing issue. We’ve been doing this, or not doing this (depending upon how you want to phrase it) for quite awhile now. The last two games against Oakland the pitching was obviously not the problem. But a bad tone was set by having Bundy start the first game. It does not inspire confidence in the offense. Really, it tells the other team “Look, we are not going to be competitive in this series, so, don’t worry.”
When the A’s see Bundy as the game one starter they laugh and know everything will be fine for them. The effect is psychological as much as anything else…
Anyway, what about the home Seattle series? Was that not a big series? The offense did score runs there, but it was having Heaney as our starter in that first game that cost us that series… Do you dispute that?
I dispute that professional baseball players have so given up on members of their rotation that they phone in the OF in a game Bundy is starting.
I dispute that the A’s (and other professional baseball clubs) have so little respect for opposing pitchers, that they are laughing in the dugout at whoever is starting.
Both Bundy and Heaney can pitch well on any given night. If your team is that swayed by the opponent, they aren’t professional enough to play (and I am saying none of the players on any of the teams are as cynical as you are making them out to be).
A team can’t adjust it’s rotation to always have a good starter start every game 1 against every important opponent. Unless they go get 4 top line starters, which isn’t going to happen.
Do you think that maybe using an “opener” could help with this issue? If the Angels built up a vascular as heck pen with a few guys who can go two or three innings, and one such arms could “open” for a weaker starter as needed, would that help? So if we had a couple Raisels, and game one against the mighty Mariners rolls around, instead of just starting Barria on his normal day, start a Raisel and then let Barria throw innings 3-7? Better?
I’m confused about the sentiment as if we could have just…not have Bundy pitch.
If I am not mistaken Bundy was not part of the rotation when we decided to start him on Friday.
He was in the pen. So there was a clear decison to have him start. It was not like his turn in the rotation etc. For one, we could have brought Detmers up a few days earlier and had him start…Not sure what Detmers most recent start in minors was, but with a week of forethought you could have done it.
That would have been a bold and confident move.
One thing that will stop planning.
Day2Day buddy, the MADDONING Mantra.
Well, first off, I agree this cannot be done every “important” series. And this of course depends upon several things, including a) how deep is your rotation with quality b) how many good teams are in the division, that is how many teams are competing for divisional dominance or at least the playoffs? Two, three? If there are only two good teams in the division it is certainly feasible that you good arrange or tweak your rotation this way…More than that it could become tricky.
The point is that the Angels never seem to have their best starter (Ohtani) pitching the first game of a big series. In fact, several times they have moved his start away from the big game/opponent, case in point this Sunday. I am not convinced he could not pitch Sunday. In fact, if he pitches Monday, how much did the one extra day really help? Was that really needed? I doubt it.
It is almost like they are throwing in the towel in this series, and I don’t like it.
As for your “Opener” question, it is a good one. You brought that up before, earlier this season if I am not mistaken. I have always liked the “Opener” ever since the Rays more or less invented it a couple seasons ago… There are several reasons for this and I will not list them for brevity sake.
Suffice to say that if your starting staff is thin and your pen is deeper then “Opener” can make alot of sense. With the new and potentially good young arms we have (including Sandoval) this would be a good thing to experiment with. I think guys like Barria and Suarez benefit the most from having somebody else open for them. Number one they don’t usually go deep into games, and two they are both more or less “soft” tossers.
I think guys with plus fastballs like Sandy don’t need it as much. The guys who rely on guile and off-speed stuff benefit from the Opener since a couple times through the lineup the opposition usually figures them out and starts to hit them hard.
That is my take at least. Overall, I like the “Opener” as a philosophy and would not be opposed to using it when somebody other than Ohtani or Sandoval was pitching.
They set up Otani for his advantage, not the team’s best advantage.
The Angels are not about winning, they are about image.
A team can, and should, be able to adjust the rotation so the pitching match-ups are scheduled in its favor. Especially during important match-ups against in Division rivals. At all times. that is the whole point of owning, and running a team. Giving yourself the best chance at winning. At all times. match-ups are what it is all about.
*Just a comment to your first part, which does not fit this argument you are having with JF, because the Angels are not trying.
You shood alweez matchup your best against yer opponent’s worst.
Ohtani, Cobb, and Sandoval or just the latter two since Shotime’s hurt again. Napoleon Bonaparte.
But he never managed a .500 baseball team…..LOL!!!
Better bail before GGOMP sees this!!
I’m not really arguing, I know for a fact that no team moves their rotation around to start game one with their ace for every “important” series. That’s why they align their “ace” on opening day, and adjust it at the All Star break a lot, then there’s four or five games with some alignment jockeying later in the last month or so of the season if needed. If anyone can tell me of a team with one or two noticeably better starters who they keep moving out of rotation so they pitch game one of every important series I’d love to see it…. and see how long that starter’s career lasted. We can go all Winston Churchill and declare this is their job at all times, but I have yet to see that happen in actual real life.
So JF and I both agree this problem exists. One solution is to get 4 or 5 really good starters. That would be nice. Barring that, I was asking if openers are a solution, or if having a lesser “starter” still pitch 5 innings of an important game is still too big a disadvantage…. cause I’m not sure if it is or isn’t.
Even if they can’t necessarily have their ace going ( which I fully acknowledge) what they CAN do is not throw a Dylan Bundy out there.
Ideally you would like your best going, but when that does not work at least you can avoid starting your WORST!
That can be done. It merely takes a willingness to do so…
But Bundy didn’t pitch badly on July 29 (as you predicted). Do you think the OF didn’t hit as a protest to starting Bundy? Do you think the errors by Mayfield and Fletcher were a direct consequence?
Otherwise, I don’t understand your point. You have given up on Bundy. The team thinks he is working things out, and decided to see if he can still start (and he can!) and put Quintana in the pen (where he is doing well). It is almost like the team has professionals working with professionals to improve the team from start to start, with the pieces they have on hand.
You’re wrong. (“Bundy did not pitch badly on July 29th.”)
Last time I checked 3 ER over 4.1 innings pitched is not good. Not sure where you think you learned about baseball, or if you ever did, but your assessments and opinions leave alot to be desired.
Perhaps you should not be so vociferous in criticizing others when your own takes are so ignorant ?
He gave up 3 runs in the 1st inning! That is the most important inning for any starting pitcher. And he failed at his job.
Furthermore, your idea about him “working things out” is also an ignorant take. If indeed that is what the team is doing, then there are alot of other ways to accomplish that besides starting him in the most important game so far in the 2nd half.
He could a) continue to work out of the bullpen, preferably in long relief where his “working things out” does not cost the team games. He could b) go down to the minors for a stint to “work things out” and likewise there he would not be costing the Angels games, especially a pivotal one against a division rival we are chasing.
Again, maybe it is best for you to stay silent for awhile lest you spew more ignorance and make yourself look worse and worse.
If your team doesn’t score runs, then they don’t win. Go back and look at the game, and the defense that let some of that first inning get away from Bundy. Then see that he settled down and pitched well the next bit.
Your hot takes about context (the most important game of the second half) leave a lot to be desired – and your insistence that you are right is tiresome. You have opinions, but the evidence doesn’t support your conclusions. In any case, you haven’t even answered my critiques (personal attacks aside) – do you think the defense played badly because we started Bundy? Do you think the OF didn’t hit for the same reason? Essentially, you have argued that Bundy pitching influence the motivation of the team – and I find that take lacking. I would love to hear what you base that on.
Let Marsh get his “at bats” against these pitchers. Only way he is going to get a better eye at the plate is to see and experience these different pitchers tendencies.
This is the lowest runs allowed at 2.7 per game Oakland has held the Angels in 30 years, 1991 was at 2.5 runs per game.
Not-so-fun fact. 1991 was the year we played .500 ball and finished in the cellar.
I bet we weren’t the “bathroom attendant” of AL West back then, like we are now.
Deep down in a dank basement at the Oakland Coliseum, we sit and tend the dirty shitter that the A’ss, Asstros, Mariners and Texas share. Turning on the water and handing out towels, cologne, mouthwash, gum and cigarettes. With a tip jar full of pennies and nickels, always a smile on our face, telling everyone to enjoy their evening. All while we clean up their shit.……..disgusting.
Perry Minasian looks like he collects debts for the late John Gotti as a side gig. I’m sorry but he’s one scary looking dude, especially when he’s wearing a suit.
Need the bold pin stripes to really set that suit off.
He’s a goof, living his dream, but does not understand reality.
He is lucky to have Arte as his boss. He never has to make any decisions, except if today is a stipes with polka dots day. Who are we kidding, every day is stripes with polka dots day. Makes no decisions.
So because he looks like a Mafia Goombah that makes him a clueless goof?
I wouldn’t care if he, or anyone else in organization, looked like subterranean bridge trolls as long as he can put together a championship ball club.
I just wish he talked like the guy in the ‘Jimmy’s John’s’ adds.
“FEEEKIN’ JIMMIY’S JOHN’S” Ray Ramano’s younger brother
We’re looking for opportunities. In his interview last night with Gubi.
I need to hijack and steal this cliché when things suck for me.
Had the house to myself. I picked up a pizza and thought, maybe I’ll throw the Halos on. Decided that wasn’t wise and played a video game for 3 hours. Pizza was good, game was fun and I’m not irritated at all about how poor this team is.
Is “video game” secret code for the P word?
I lay this squarely in the GM. Perry is obviously not analytics minded GM. The As have a playbook on us that makes them unhittable to jut batters. Yes, we’re trotting out half an AAA lineup , but this is comical that we can’t adjust at all. We have no organizational plan, nobody looking at tendencies or anything. It’s bad
Bassitt looked really hittable tonight too. Difference is Oakland spits on pitches 2ft above the strike zone while literally 7 of our nine hitters swing and miss 99% of the time.
Not true. At least not all the time. Tonight I saw Laureano swing wildly at THREE count them THREE pitches all of which were WELL OUTSIDE the strikezone.
And it was three consecutive pitches and thus Sandy struck him out.
They are not unbeatable. But you have to play consistently smart and take advantage of opportunities. In the 7th we got the lead-off man on and Bassitt appeared to be tiring.,,
But then Shohei decided to try to force things and made a bad decision to go for a steal of 2nd base.
He got thrown out by a mile and it killed our momentum. Game over.
You’ve got to be patient but take opportunities when they arise, yet don’t force things.
Usually Oakland is good at that. That last two game set in Oakland the A’s waited out our starter because they KNEW they could beat our bullpen.
And that is exactly what happened in BOTH games… They had a plan and worked it to perfection.
Um. I said 2 ft ABOVE the zone. If I’m not mistaken Laureano kept wildly swinging low and away or low and inside…other points were good though..👍🏼
Not sure about the Angels AB’s you are referencing but in that Laureano one two of the pitches were WAY HIGH and outside.
They are not perfect either. However they are usually more patient at the plate then we are.
Breaking news: Football starts in less than a month!
To quote the former guy… Sad!!
Oakland pitching: Who is your daddy?
Angels offense: *whimpers* you are
-Oakland proceeds to spank the Angels with 40 innings of one run ball.