LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Address It!

In view of the recent interest in minor league players in the Angels system, I decided to mine a couple of Rex Fregosi’s photos of the 2017 Arizona League.  Perry Minasian says he will look into the issue of their living conditions and address it.  I am not sure how he plans to address it. 

Mike Trout is undergoing tests to determine why he can still feel something in his right calf when he runs hard.  The tests apparently showed no bad news. Not really really bad, anyway.

Good news! Reid Detmers fanned nine in his AAA debut over six scoreless innings. 

Perry Minasian talks here about those pitchers the Angels just drafted

Links From Around Baseball

Hey!  The Mets are looking for rental pitchers

The majority of the Dodgers players don’t want Trevor Bauer back.  He had his restraining order hearing on Friday but it was continued to a three day evidentiary hearing to be held on August 2, 3, and 19.  It looks like he is going to end up having to take the Fifth Amendment. 

Speaking of Dodgers players, Mookie Betts is on the ten day injured list with right hip inflammation. 

The Padres are considering moving Eric Hosmer.  Thanks, but no thanks. 

Meanwhile, the Marlins have some relief pitchers for sale

The Pittsburgh Pirates continue to sell.  They traded relief pitcher Clay Holmes to the Yankees for minor league prospects Diego Castillo and Hoy Park. 

Cleveland pitcher Nick Wittgren had a tough outing and as a result received hate emails including a death threat.  He said it happens to 90% of the players he knows.  Relax people! Is it really worth going to jail over a baseball game?

Photo credits: Rex Fregosi

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Soooo…. Mariners trade away their closer for a 1st base prospect…. then trade prospects to get 2 months of Tyler Anderson from the Bucs. I’m confused.

Twebur
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2 years ago
Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  Twebur

I think I liked the other lineup better.

Cowboy26
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Twebur
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

2002 will need a big head shot of Toro, do you have one? All I can find is lawn mower adds.

Twebur
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2 years ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

That will work👌

Twebur
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Is their bullpen that deep, simple as moving guys up? Or another deal coming…..
Trader Jerry’s favorite time of year.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Graveman is a FA coming up, but this is still a big Wow!!

The M’s have indeed been extremely lucky, but nonetheless they are still “in it.”

They must feel the offensive help is more important, and maybe also that Graveman can’t continue that type of dominance.

Simba
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

He’s never had a season like this before. Looks like selling high.

Brent
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2 years ago

Crazy stat…

The Mariners have a -49 run differential and a 55-46 record this season through 101 games That’s the lowest run diff for any team with 55+ wins thru 101 games since at least 1901

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  Brent

I guess when they lose they lose very badly

JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I am not somebody who believes that run differential is the end all and be all, but this stat shows that with a little luck, and a little “help” an unbalanced and actually poor team can still win games.

The hard to believe record in 1 run games that we talked about previously now stands at 23-3, and is frankly almost impossibly good.

What is going on here? I do not believe that their manager Servais is that much better than his managerial opposition. One runs games are normally where managers play the biggest role.
Is Servais that good?

I don’t think so.

Graveman has been amazing for them. While he has saved only 10 games he has an ERA under 1 ( 0.82 to be exact) and likewise a WHIP under 1. But it is a comparatively small sample. For us Raisel has appeared in 45 games while Graveman has only appeared in 30 games. So, they don’t overuse him. This could be one of the big reasons for his success.

But Graveman alone cannot explain that ridiculous record in one run games.

DowningDude
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

IIRC, the Angels also beat the hell out of Pythagorus back in the day (late 200x’s?). I think it has to do with a lockdown bullpen but also a bullpen (or starters) that allow a few games to completely get away (blowout losses).

DowningDude
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2 years ago
Reply to  DowningDude

*Pythagoras for the cocks in the house.

red floyd
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2 years ago

Anybody heard anything about Walsh?

SScott
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2 years ago
Reply to  red floyd

Only the dreaded Joe Maddon words “It’s nothing serious.”

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  SScott

The Memorial service is scheduled for 10 AM tomorrow

JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Ha ha. Yes, the less serious they SAY it is, the MORE serious it really is !!!

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  SScott

I thought he used a different word than serious.

He doesn’t think is anything “horrible”

https://twitter.com/BallySportWest/status/1419891001326440448?s=19

JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  eyespy

To him death is not horrible.

JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I don’t agree btw.

We should try to stay alive as long as we can.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

all I need to know… “…his advisor Scott Boras…”

DMAGZ13
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2 years ago

This is all Boras

steelgolf
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2 years ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Boras is all this.

red floyd
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2 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Is all this Boras?

WallyChuckChili
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2 years ago
Reply to  red floyd

All Boras this is

Twebur
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2 years ago

Boras, is this all?

FungoAle
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2 years ago

^THIS^

Jeff Joiner
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2 years ago

And Boras isn’t even making a fuss about this. If Rocker’s elbow was in any way healthy, he’d be all over the place making the Mets look bad.

steelgolf
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I was leery when they said he had a velocity drop. The Bachman pick is looking better all the time.

WallyChuckChili
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Perry is a God!

DowningDude
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Anxious to hear MarineLayers take.

Jayman28
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I was one of the few at the time that wasn’t drinking the “Draft Rocker” kool aid. Knew this would happen.

At least a lot us have admitted that we were totally wrong and Perry did his homework

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jayman28

I never liked Rocker, always liked Bachman. Love our draft class, especially if they can get Silseth to sign.

Only issue is, can we get these kids through our MiLB system without them dying of Ricketts, Scurvy or Dysentery? You know, the Oregon Trail passed through the Tri-Cities and Salt Lake areas….. coincidence?

Twebur
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2 years ago

Some of them have extra GRIT and the will to survive……Like the Donner Party.

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  Twebur

So if the entire Angels team was stranded and had to eat two or three team members to survive who would that be?

JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

It would not be Marsh ; not enough meat on his bones.

2002heaven
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Aaron Sleggers?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Cowboy26

I said it after we passed on Rocker: he will be the first pitcher in the 2021 draft class that will have TJS.

I previously sent the referral to Dr. Nick.

eyespy
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2 years ago

Hi

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  eyespy

Hi.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Wow. How could cheap Arte and stupid Perry pass on this guy? He’s obviously worth a 1st pick and well over slot, especially if you want to improve your pitching right away.

While we’re at it, is anyone still pissed at cheap Arte for not making a bigger effort to sign Steven Strausburgh, who OBVIOUSLY wanted to come back to So Cal if Arte had just ponied up the cash for the guy?

2002heaven
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2 years ago

Not with Arte.
Prawbly the Father Serras since he went to Aztec University.
I found a guy on YouTube who Arte’s probably pals with ( Dan Pena ). 😆 

MarineLayer
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2 years ago

Talking about “looking into” the Angels minor league reporting is a non-responsive non-answer, exactly what I would expect from a weak-kneed puppet of Moreno.

And let’s get Detmers up today. Experience trumps service time.

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Hey Marine Layer, why do you always seem so overcast and gloomy?

MarineLayer
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’m not. I love many recent developments — Sandoval, Marsh, Detmers, Captain Jack, among the recent upgrades. I just see Rendon as Pujols 2.0. Do you think there’s a possibility I’m right?

red floyd
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2 years ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Whoosh. I think that was a joke.

JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  red floyd

Yep. “Overcast” etc…

H.T. Ennis
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2 years ago

I didn’t see the game, but 4:12 is mindbogglingly unlucky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpvW2u6cj6U

SScott
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2 years ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Took the game from at minimum a bases loaded with one out situation, to 3 outs and no runs across. Sometimes it is truly better to be lucky than good.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 years ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

they’re all really good

Jeff Joiner
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2 years ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Would just like to say that softball diamond squeezed into a baseball field looks tacky. They completely phoned it in on this one.

These ladies are the best in the world. They deserve a decent field.

GrandpaBaseball
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2 years ago

Ohtani seems to never walk an opposing hitter where all the other pitchers on the staff love to give a free pass to the first batter up or with two outs and most of the free passes end up scoring. Shohei Ohtani is really Baseball’s version of Superman. There will never be anybody like him ever again. For just one week I would love to have his energy levels even if it killed me, man what a way to go. If he continues this output he is, with respect to Toronto writers, the MVP as we have never seen before.

tommyshalo
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2 years ago

Sorry guys, but Japan’s ace #17(Ueno) brings the gold medal home in the softball finals.
It took 13years to have the game back in the olympics and the SP matchup in the finals was exactly same(38yo Osterman vs 39yo Ueno) as it was 13years ago at the finals in Beijing.

Pity we won’t have the game again in Paris2024, but hopefully in 2028 it will be back.(Maybe at the new Big A?)

red floyd
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2 years ago

So the Mets are looking for rentals? We can sell them Q and Cishek….

JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  red floyd

We should pay them to take Q off our hands !

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

We could never afford that

MarineLayer
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2 years ago
Reply to  red floyd

RenDone too, or anyone else who would take him.

2002heaven
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2 years ago
Reply to  red floyd

I’m pretty sure they want guys who are actually good

ihearhowie3.0
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2 years ago

It’s an interesting thought experiment on what it would take in additional prospects to have someone absorb Hosmer’s contract.

A team that had the revenue streams and urgency to rebuild their farm system would probably find a way to do it. Not all that different than paying bigger salaries to Cuban and Japanese players that had no MLB experience. You’d think that would be us but Arte never would in a million ears.

Would the Padres ever attach someone like Gore in order to move Hosmer and get under the luxury tax?

Fansince1971
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2 years ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

So Hosmer is approximately the same age as Rendon (31). But unlike the Angels who backload contracts, Hosner’s deal was frontloaded. He’s got one more $21 million season and then three at $13 million.

By contrast – nearly $200m is still owed to Rendon with several $38 million seasons upcoming.

In a never-will-happen situation, if the Pads would take Rendon straight up for Hosmer, that would be a good trade for the Angels. It would cut payroll significantly (almost $20 mill per season) and the Angels would still have a very good third baseman.

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H.T. Ennis
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2 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I would personally not touch that with a ten-foot bat, $20 mil savings per year notwithstanding. Just leaves us with a lot of problems.

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Why? Is Walsh’s injury from last night career threatening? Or Is Shohei going to play RF full time when he’s not pitching? A Hosmer trade makes zero sense to me.

BTW who is this very good third baseman you speak of? Captain Jack? he’s still a 30 year old career .183 batting average with a Looooooong way to go to even be considered replacement level. Over the last 130 years of professional baseball the game has been littered with these type of guys.

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

So, he’s trash? Our trash.

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  eyespy

I’m your Trash. I’m your Trash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvOPucs7dC0

MarineLayer
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2 years ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

On the other hand, keeping Rendon is an even bigger long term problem as it gives cheapskate Moreno an excuse to never sign the needed SP1. There must be an expiring contract elsewhere to match up.

H.T. Ennis
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2 years ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Who is this SP1 on the market you are talking about?

MarineLayer
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2 years ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Well, Scherzer for one.I don’t know who other rebuilding teams might make available. Not exactly sure who the sellers are.

H.T. Ennis
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2 years ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

👍 Just checking

we will see how Scherzer performs vs. contract. I feel about as equally confident in Scherzer over the next few years as I did Rendon pre-signing

2002heaven
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2 years ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

The Mariners

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Hell, I’m waiting for someone to tell me who we were all set to sign over the last three or four years, you know, that SP1 that was like “I’m pretty interested in LAA”, who Arte didn’t sign due to financial limits. I guess, if we’re desperate enough to be butt hurt on this point, Cole?

steelgolf
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2 years ago

Every SP1 that came to market was inundated with a tidal wave of money from either The Dodgers or Yankees, and in most cases both. Those pockets are far deeper than Arte’s. Also, The Yankees and their fans are having buyers remorse on Cole since he can’t use the sticky stuff anymore.

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

More not wanting to be an Angel I feel

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  eyespy

Yeah, I got the sense Cole wanted to be a Yankee and we got in the bidding war… which I don’t really mind. If we wanted Cole, which we did, and we want any other team to pay as much as possible for him if he signs there, then fine, bid up on Cole. Yankees “won”. Theeee Yankees “won”.

Fansince1971
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2 years ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Understood – as you know it’s only theoretical. If the Pads would do it, it would save approximately $125m off payroll over 5 seasons and the team would have a viable 3rd baseman in Hosmer. To me that would be too good to be true. $13m per season versus almost $40m per season.

H.T. Ennis
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2 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yes! Just depends how you view them. Hosmer would either bump Walsh to the outfield or just sit on the bench.

Rendon is still a $27M/year player for me.

Fansince1971
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2 years ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Don’t know why I thought Hosmer played 3B with KC. That was where my thought process came from.

Jayman28
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2 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That’s Moustakas you were thinking about

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  Jayman28

He was Mistakas about Moustakas

H.T. Ennis
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2 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Ah okay, now if Hosmer played 3B, that would actually be a pretty interesting discussion…

FungoAle
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2 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Hosmer is not good, very average and expensive. AJ Preller just grabbed and overpaid to get someone to come to his team. We have no 3rd basemen in the pipeline. Don’t let Captain Jack fool you.

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Well we know Captain Jack will at least get us by tonight.

MarineLayer
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2 years ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

It might also help us figure out what it would take to unload Rendon who might still have some perceived value.

SScott
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2 years ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

We’re all frustrated with how Rendon’s season has developed, but I’m, probably one of the few, who are a bit baffled by the hardline negative positions people are aiming at him. The Pujols situation had/has nothing to do with Rendon, and saying it does is silly.

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Jeff Joiner
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2 years ago
Reply to  SScott

I’m with you. Many players have had a season lost due to injury. This is Rendon’s.

Unlike Albert we actually know Rendon’s age and he’s a plus defender who depends more on contact than power. I don’t expect us to get peak Rendon, but I don’t expect him to fall off a cliff as quickly as the 35 year old Pujols did after a year.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  SScott

Don’t think. Just be hardline negative because it distracts you from how much you suck. It totally works for me, it’s why I think all Beagle puppies are assholes and you can’t talk me out of it or make me try to prove it.
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Look at that jerk.

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Jeff Joiner
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2 years ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

There are reports the Padres would attach a top 4 prospect in the deal. In that case, I’d do it if I was Perry as long as I got at least one MLB player next year. And I’d immediately DFA Hosmer as he’s redundant on our roster.

We’re going to pick over the pile of meh for a lot of parts next year, many of them costing $5-10 million each.

We’re probably not going to land Gore, but let’s say we go with Campusano and Ethan Elliot. That’s a stud catcher to pair with then take over for Stassi and a rotation piece with youth and upside.

Would I rather have 2 young players plus Hosmer costing me $14 million next year or two meh veterans costing the same? I’ll take the youngsters.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Hell, while our outfield sucks, play Walsh out there, Hoz at 1B, get the two prospects. Hoz is overpriced, but he’s basically a 100 OPS+ guy worth around 1 WAR. We’ve had worse. Next year have a Trout/Upton/Walsh OF with Hoz at first, trade one of Adell or Marsh for a good SP….. if we got a catcher, a pitcher and say German Marquez (or some good starter) out of all of this and the (dreaming big) signed a guy like DeSclafani…. that’s just not the end of the world.

PLUS, all the grumpy smurfs around here can bitch about Hoz all the time.

GrandpaBaseball
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2 years ago

If the Angels have been drafting Pitcher heavy for a few years now, why are we not seeing more of them? It is just plain flat out stupid to e-mail death threats, but you can’t fix stupid. What a waste Trevor Bauer is, so glad he worked up the 5.

Good Morning Gang, last night was another win and tonight ditto. Sweep Rox and win the series with Oakland. Trouty will not be flying in to save the day anytime soon as leaping over tall buildings in a single bound can’t be done except for Shohei.