Angels blow multiple leads to Astros, lose in extras

Angels 4, Astros 5 (10)

It probably should have been foreseen, in the very first inning, that it would not be a good night.

The Angels got two baserunners to reach, when Jared Walsh hit a dribbler up the first base line.

Now, according to interpretations I’ve seen, a runner must take two consecutive steps outside the runner area to be interfering with the play, with the line counting as part of the area. Walsh’s right foot appears to come down on the chalk multiple times, making it impossible for him to take consecutive steps outside the area. (MLB, if you’re going to interpret the rule in a black-and-white fashion, perhaps you should make this reviewable? Nearly derailed a World Series game.) Needless to say, the Angels did not score and left two runners stranded. They did the same in the second inning. Greinke appeared to get into a groove after that.

In the fifth, Scott Schebler, who appears to be becoming a fan favorite, doubled and David Fletcher singled. Shohei Ohtani lined a nice little double into right.

Jared Walsh proceeded by massaging a single far enough to score another run.

Meanwhile, Andrew Heaney was in cruise control. After going six innings with one hit and nine strikeouts (no walks!?), Heaney started the seventh despite a pitch count approaching 100. His second hit of the game got him pulled. Now, one hit probably shouldn’t have gotten him pulled, especially for Aaron Slegers, and I disagreed with the decision in the moment, but when fans complain about every single bullpen decision in hindsight, the bite of the argument loses its sting. Slegers might be the third-best guy in a struggling bullpen right now, but when you complain about bringing in a better guy in Mike Mayers for just a second consecutive game (not even a third or fourth in a row), it dilutes your credibility for the next time you complain (like tonight). Your best pitchers should pitch as much as they can. Chris Rodriguez seems to be getting babied along, so maybe he wasn’t an option. You still have to cover eight outs anyway, so Mayers and Iglesias would have been factors anyway. Heaney probably should have gone longer, and Maddon will be asked about that after the game. Furthermore, taking him out after one baserunner is justifiable in today’s game, and it has happened many, many times before. We can also be more selective and thoughtful about which decisions to criticize, so each one holds more value.

Anyway, this happened.

José Rojas made a baserunning blunder in the ninth, and Mike Mayers made things interesting in the bottom half of the inning, but Tony Watson got out of the inning and sent it to extras.

In the tenth, David Fletcher flipped a ball into right-center for a quintessential Fletch hit.

Dusty Baker decides to IBB Jared Walsh to get to Albert Pujols (a smart move, any way you cut it), and Pujols does this.

Raisel Iglesias came in and couldn’t shut the door, allowing three runs (two earned, with the runner starting on second), with someone named Robel Garcia delivering the knockout punch. Jason Castro “doubled” down the right field line, but because the umpires are having a tough time distinguishing fair and foul this year (including the Pujols home run last night), replay could not do anything about a potentially game-changing call.

Bleh.

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Eric_in_Portland
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3 years ago

I see there’s no Trout in the lineup today so once again we’ll look like an expansion team. We discussed signing Odorizzi. His ERA is over 10. I expect he’ll get healthy this afternoon.

Fansince1971
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3 years ago

So my understanding of the rule is that a call on the field can only be overturned on ‘indisputable evidence’. That means 100% it was foul. In these Covid days, the number of television cameras is severely limited. Away teams have one camera feed. The footage Cowboy 26 sent me was the away feed. That’s the only footage the Angels broadcast had access to.

The other footage would be home (Trashtro) footage and I don’t think any of us have seen that – and even that footage would likely be limited due to the restrictions on cameras as a result of Covid 19.

So the reality is, you’ve got a 100% standard for overturning, limited camera angles and limited coverage. So a close call in the corner is probably going to stand no matter what since how does one meet the 100% standard with camera limitations?

I’m 95.9% sure that ball was foul. If the replay office agreed with that assessment they would have to call it fair by the ‘indisputable evidence’ rule.

So I can see a path to where there was not 100% indisputable evidence supporting the overturning of that call.

But if we take that as the standard, how does NY overturn the Walsh safe at 1B call? There wasn’t 100% indisputable evidence that he ran outside the baseline. So if we apply a uniform ‘it needs to be 100% to overturn a call on the field’ standard, then Walsh is safe and the Angels score a run.

Last edited 3 years ago by Fansince1971
Fansince1971
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3 years ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Wait – I’ll confess I had consumed liquor- but wasn’t Walsh called safe? And then called out on replay? Or did the home plate umpire make that call?

Commander_Nate
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Trusted Member
3 years ago

Baserunning fuck-ups and bullpen burps aside, this game is on the umps. It should’ve been 3-2 Angels after regulation and a foul ball in the 10th in the backup scenario. Hard to outplay the officials when they have a conspiracy going three layers deep against you.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Commander_Nate

It would not even have to be “three layers deep.” Though I would not rule that out. All it would take is for the MLB offices/ replay officials (essentially the same) to have an agenda.

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GrandpaBaseball
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3 years ago

Last nights loss just does not go away, as it was surreal to me. How can we have lost that game. Rates up there for me the 3 game series with the Royals in 2014, how could we lose that or those game(s).

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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The starting rotation has an ERA north of 5.00. PTP needs needs to find an answer before it’s too late to make a difference in 2021.

Fansince1971
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3 years ago

How I’m feeling

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Fansince1971
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3 years ago
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Fansince1971
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3 years ago
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Fansince1971
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3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yes! Exactly!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Fansince1971

I remember that day like it was yesterday….

Angels2020Champs
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3 years ago

Currently in phase 2

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Fansince1971
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3 years ago

Does anyone have footage of the foul ball double? I can’t find it anywhere.

matthiasstephan
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3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It was on the mlb.com highlights. It is called ‘Jason Castro doubles after review.’ (It was foul).

Fansince1971
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3 years ago

Completely gone from the internet. Searched it multiple ways. Could not find it. The rest of the coverage of the game is there. This is gone.

GrandpaBaseball
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3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

MLB is not to keep that footage out there to be seen as a reason to doubt replay.

Fansince1971
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3 years ago

Is this your opinion? I ask because there was another Castro questionable double on 4/15/21 and that is still available online. That one looks like the correct call.

Are you saying this one was removed because they realized they got it wrong?

I’m just looking for some answers. And some transparency.

Cowboy26
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3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Watch the brown dirt blast up into the sky upon impact. Someone please tell me how you would call that fair and not overturn the ruling

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I literally saw it was I was posting that. I just checked, and it is still there.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/angels-vs-astros/2021/04/23/634383#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=videos,game=634383

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Fansince1971
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3 years ago

I clicked on that and didn’t see it

Fansince1971
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3 years ago

Okay just saw it. The footage that MLB posted is same we have seen. From that vantage- no way that call gets overturned. Too far away to be 100%

Cowboy26
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3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

This was the best footage I could find: https://twitter.com/FabianArdaya/status/1385802150618402821

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Fansince1971
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3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Thank you 26! Terrible angle but sure looks foul to me!

JackFrost
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3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That’s because it IS foul.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
3 years ago

I’m sure most of us chalked this up as an L when Trout got scratched against Greinke but damn why they gotta rip your guts out like this to take the same L.

GrandpaBaseball
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3 years ago

Good Morning my fellow sufferers. I ask you now, was not last night one of the roughest games of all time. A defeat shoveled down our throats that was in so many ways filled with amateur’s follies along with just bad luck.

How was it an amateur’s folly you may ask. Well we all know and can agree that I personally do not like Arte, , Heaney, Renny, Steroids, Players suspected of using, and last but not least Daren Sutton as an announcer. Do I hate any of them, no not at all. I just know that they will disappoint more often than they should. Rojas and Renny cannot come close to replacement value of Rendon. That experience should end now So who then? Ward can be their equal in the field but better with the bat. Heaney is focused game after game and is now after 5 years of frustration moving up the ladder and showing that the third and possibly the forth time through a line up he will be OK. The bean counter’s have said everyone should go through a line up twice or no more than 100 pitches. Maybe, but last night proves to me that I am right that on occasion you can throw the 100 pitch count or third or forth time through the line up theories straight out the window. The last pitch for a double was straight down the middle and hit. Hello wake up call. I think as someone wrote that it was his game to win or lose period. Yes that could not have been truer So many of us over use the word respect, but Maddon would have shown respect by leaving The Hean Dog in. Instead a no name reliever comes in and gives up the game tying HR. Heaney could of done that and I would have stayed with him because this Bullpen truly is bad, how Bad? Like owning a Fiat or Yugo Bad. Bringing in Siegers was just flat out wrong and I said it right when it happened. I would never have made that change period. Where was an upside in the change? Later in the game a completely different Mike Meyers comes in his old self and we know that he is on a mission like the Blues Bros. So now what to do, stay with him or take a chance on the closer? Joe chooses poorly and that backfires. Well some $15.00 dollar an hour college kid falling asleep on a stool with his hands holding his head is told by the umpire that they said fair and on your little monitor can you confirm this? New York kid rubs both his eyes with the knuckles on his hands and with blurry eye still sets to determine the out come of this game. Then Mr. Kaboom walks up to the plate hitting under the Mendoza line and just calm as can be as veterans do, ends the game and the Angels stick with tRadiTion and do what the Angels are expected to do and snatch losing straight from the mouth of winning.

So what riles me up the most, not putting a winning team on the field. The back ups are weak at beast. The Starter’s are weak at best followed by a to extremely weak Major League Bullpen. Arte Moreno has proven year after year that he will not pay for a Bullpen. Since 2007 we have not had a great pen except for 2014.

So what do I hope for?

  1. Arte sells the club.

2. Trade for a known decent reliever that another club has moved on from and he is just hanging out. Go over the cap if you need to.

We need to win games like last night, not lose them. My rant is over. Thanx for reading

Angels2020Champs
Legend
3 years ago

Morning gpa! Thanks for sharing. Your opinions are always welcomed here.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Trade for Scherzer – the Nats aren’t going anywhere this season.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 years ago

Great idea, in reality I wonder if they’d be open to it as they after all would be off the hook for his remaining contract.

Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago

Renny = Rene Gonzales?

GrandpaBaseball
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3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Luis Rengifo = Renny.

2002heaven
Super Member
3 years ago

Fire Perry Minasian and then hire Jeff Luhnow two days after the season’s over.
Arte’s a coward who hates controversial publicity in this town…….or we can resume our losing ways and just bring back Brad & Billy. He’d rather be the Dodger’s ugly step child in this town…….I don’t give a shit if we’d make Fred Roggin, William Plaschke, Steve Mason and John Ireland, Liz Habib, and Steve Hartman all mad, at least it would send the public a message that we’re serious about winning. Same way this town wouldn’t mind if USC Football got Pete Carroll back and all the dirty baggage we all know that happened under that regime.

Cowboy26
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3 years ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Jeff Luhnow, Seriously? . I’d rather Hire Elizabeth Holmes to run our baseball operations than The Wizard. I heard she’s available ( maybe in 3 to 5? )

2002heaven
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

yes seriously.
Jeff Luhnow still had to scout and develop the team the you see on the field today, Something our previous GM obviously couldn’t do after 5 seasons. Why should that even be below Arte anyway? Arte Moreno isn’t the innocent virtuous Angel that some of us think he is……LOL!!! Arte wears a black hat to me, and that’s all I’m gonna say about the man. BTW AJ Hinch is the manager of the Detroit Tigers and Rick Pitino is coach of Iona.

FungoAle
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3 years ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Lunhow is a scumbag. To me, the President needs to go before the GM but I don’t care if we fire everyone but please no Lunhow. Guy is a penis.

2002heaven
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

So is Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick and Richard Nixon. But Billy Eppler was a nice good man I guess.

tommyshalo
Trusted Member
3 years ago

We had to reward the good Heaney in order to stop the other one from showing up, but oh Slegers…

Seems Rendon might be difficult this series, but hopefully Trout comes back and the mood improves.
DONT WAKE UP THE ASSTROS.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Raisel Iglesias Is doing Raisel Iglesias things. It’s not like we didn’t know he’d be unhittable in one game and be unhinged in the next. Salary dump my ass – he’s inconsistent which is the worst type of closer to have.

Rojas was a “feel good” story in spring training: local kid finally makes the majors at the age of 28. Well, the novelty has worn off and we’re seeing why he was pick #1086 in the 2016 draft.

The trAdition of pAthetic ineptitude continues.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 years ago

So I suspect there are not as many camera angles as there were prior to covid. I wonder if that affected anything?

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Looked clearly foul on the angles I could see – on MLB tv.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 years ago

That’s what o thought too – clearly foul. But on the the Bally broadcast all we had was the view from behind home and no slow motion. Because it’s a road game and Covid, home team has to supply any additional video which it obviously did not. I’m willing to have an open mind but I just want to see what MLB saw and in slow motion.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It looks foul to me on the highlight that MLB.com posted. Maybe they have even better angles (they should) but it should have been enough. Even with the Houston announcing crew – the best they came up with was ‘that would be tough to overturn when called fair on the field’, but they sounded pretty sure it was a bad call.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 years ago

The highlight that MLB posted has been removed as far as I can see but I’ll admit I’m not the best at finding things.

Fansince1971
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3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

If anyone here is an internet sleuth and can find that video, I’d deeply appreciate it.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Perhaps it is because they rolled over for the day. If you go to ‘Scores’ and then choose Friday April 23, and then scroll to the Angels/As*tros game, the highlights should all still be there.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It was a foul ball. That was a BS call from New York.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Indeed it was.

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
3 years ago

Angels screwing themselves more than the umps. I get it that they blew it, but Halos imploded. I think once Halos get healthy and SP and get their footing I think they’ll figure it out. It’s still early. The bullpen started out good but has made it challenging. Let’s see what happens next 8-10 games.

MikeSalmon
Super Member
3 years ago

George Carlin once had a bit about “a fart so bad….it could end a marriage.” It’s losses like this – given the context of the season’s first 10 games – that almost make me want to switch over to being a Dodgers fan.

Almost. You’re really really RILLY pushing me, Angels.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Although I’ll never do it so as to still look at myself in the mirror, I get it. It’s like taking the blue pill on the Matrix. Your baseball team is deep, you overcome injuries, your bullpen holds leads, you fan base is happy. Meanwhile if you take te red pill you pull out hair, kick the dog, throw the remote, yell at the wife and wake up angry and frustrated. I keep talking myself into that red pill. It’s a sickness.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 years ago

I will also add that 3/4 of a billion dollars out of the lineup hurts.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 years ago

By the way – I have seen no other camera angles on the foul ball other than the one they broadcast. If NY had a better view, they should show it.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 years ago

High leverage game. Little things make the difference. First, Heaney was marvelous. Pitched like a #1. He deserved better.

You pull Heaney after giving up 2 hits and striking out 10 and 2 minutes later, a 2 run HR?! Really?! That really was the ballgame there.

Terrible throw by Rojas. I’d DFA him right there. You throw a rainbow in extra innings?! See ya.

Then the absolute terrible review. I still don’t understand it. I’d like to see the replay reviewed by New York. We need transparency on that.

This is the type of game, in a pandemic, surrounded by polarized political issues and protests, that makes me think I could find better things to do with my weekend hours.

Blane of the game #1 – Slegers. #2 -Slegers. #3 – Rojas. #4 -Iglesias and #5 – umpires.

Chap24
Trusted Member
3 years ago

Like seriously tho. This franchise is cursed. We look the same Every year!!! Its nuts man. So so numb…

Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago

Angels baseball 2021 :

Dying a thousand deaths once again