Editors’ roundtable: July 30, 2020

Every so often, the CtPG writers have so much unbridled enthusiasm about the Angels that we unwittingly engage in a drawn-out conversation about our favorite club. We feel our readers will be interested in such content, and we’ll be sharing such happenings as they occur moving forward.

Today’s quick discussion was about the Angels bullpen, the current tragedy it is, and the last time the Angels had a good ‘pen. The conversation has been edited slightly for clarity. These discussions occur naturally, and we hope you enjoy reading them.


Chase Kimura: When was the last time you felt confident in the Angels’ bullpen? 2014?

Rahul Setty: 2017

Chase: I mean like gooood good. 2017 was a good pen, but the last really awesome pen was in 2014. I do miss Petit and 2017 Parker, though

Jessica DeLine: 2017 was pretty good

Chase: But 2014’s was better and deeper

Jessica: 2014 was better

Chase: Even freaking Salas was solid

Jeff Joiner: 2014 easily

Chase: I miss 2014

Jeff: Even Vinnie Pestano was good in 2014

Rev Halofan: When did Scot Shields retire? The year before that.

Jessica: So was our rotation

Rahul: 2017 pen: 6th highest fWAR (0.6 behind 3rd place dodgers), lowest BB/9, 8th most IP, 5th best FIP

Jessica: and imagine that! Good pitching got us to the playoffs

Rahul: it was more than just “good”!

Chase: Garrett’s knee getting destroyed at Fenway was really the latest chapter in franchise curses

Rahul: 2014 pen was 13th in fWAR

Jessica: that low?

Rahul: different environment, no doubt, but worse K/9 and BB/9, and a worse W-L record (as the purpose of a bullpen is to hold leads late!)

Chase: Well, yeah. That’s because 1) Frieri and 2) they acquired Street and Grilli in July. They were 2nd in the second half.

Rahul: crazy split here…1st half (26th, -0.2 fWAR) vs 2nd half (2nd, 3.7 fWAR). Considering that 1st half is nearly twice as much playing time as 2nd half, I rest my case.

Chase: Ehhh got over half of the 2017s pens total in less than half a season. Plus, Rick loves Joe Thatcher

Rick Souddress: Lol

Turks Teeth: 2014 team could’ve gone deep in the playoffs if not for late season tragedy.

Chase: A healthy Richards would’ve been the difference. And Aoki can still go kick sand

Jessica: Richards + leave out Hamilton

Turks Teeth: In retrospect, trading assets for the bullpen made sense, given how critical the pen was to 2002 and most postseason runs tbf

Jessica: he hadn’t been playing and Scioscia threw him in anyway

Rahul: Will never forget the media fawning over the O’s even though we had a better record by several games

Chase: I’m always in favor of loading up on the pen for the playoffs

Jeff: I’ll never forget the look on Hamilton’s face as he played catch between innings. Dude was in a bad place.

Chase: How empty the feeling of Trout’s first postseason homer felt

Only postseason homer*

Turks Teeth: Of course, it wasn’t just the fall of Richards, it was Shoe going down as well. That was Shoey’s golden season

Chase: Skaggs, too, to a lesser extent. I just feel like if the team had a good pen, they’d be somewhat competitive. Other than Shohei’s stinker the rotation has kept them in games and looks like it could be okay.

Jeff: Shoemaker was our rock that year.


This was a quick one, but share your thoughts in the comments!

Photo credit: Keith Allison, Wikimedia Commons

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AnAngelsFan
Super Member
4 years ago

Entertaining. Would read again.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
4 years ago

l like the chat here. Picking a Halos team season or comparing players career years or talking about your favorite players would all be fun to read. Keeping it down to four or five different personalities per article would be better in terms of the amount of input would be beneficial also. Keep ’em coming it’s fun and interesting.

...Rev Halofan
Editor
Trusted Member
4 years ago

Wait did I just get fired?

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
4 years ago
Reply to  ...Rev Halofan

Would not be the same w/o you.

DowningDude
Legend
4 years ago

I miss that 2-headed monster of Isringhausen and Takahashi

Rick Souddress
Editor
Trusted Member
4 years ago

My lol contribution was critical to the discussion here.

Jessica DeLine
Admin
Super Member
4 years ago
Reply to  Rick Souddress

very!

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
4 years ago

Pretty deep comments by that Jeff guy, ha ha. I love our little baseball chats and think we should make them more accessible.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
4 years ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

I love it, Rahul. Some good comments about 2014. And the mention that 2017 is the last bullpen we kind of liked only highlights what I don’t like about Billy.

max
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max
4 years ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

I vote interesting, which is valuable to me.

rspencer
Trusted Member
4 years ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

Please post more of these. I think it’s just what we need to spur discussion.