Angels Add injury to insult as they lose Kikuchi AND the game in Extras

Morning Baseball. It is a an exaggerator of sorts. When the team is bad, it makes it good since you don’t have to watch it. But when the team is good, you bemoan not being able to watch, or maybe you watch anyway when no one is looking.

Even though he has been bad, Kikuchi has been at least been healthy. Until today that is. Kikuchi pulled himself from today’s game after tweaking something, meaning it became a bullpen game. Reminder that the Angels bullpen is horrendous.

Swear words

He left going 2 innings, giving up 0 runs on 2 hits, striking out 1 and walking 1. Way too short to judge, or be too useful either. Farris came after and went 3 and 2/3 giving up 1 run on 3 hits, striking out 3 and walking 2.

Not bad

So, despite it all, this bullpen game was basically a Quality Start? With the off day tomorrow, all hands were on deck to avoid losing a 6th straight game. Yikes.

Highlighted Recap

The White Sox scored first, an RBI single in the 3rd.

1-0 Sox

But the Angels responded with a Mike Trout solo shot, his 10th of the year!

Tied game

It was a pitching duel after that, as the batters looked asleep more than the pitchers looked good, especially as the White Sox got picked off first on a single by Soler in the 6th.

LOLZ

And then they were thrown out at the plate when they did not slide.

Still tied

Vaughn Grissom hit his first home run in 4 years, first as an Angel, in the 7th.

2-1 Angels

Silseth, Bachman, and Zeferjahn pitched as well and somehow, someway, only blew it with 2 outs in the 9th. Because it is the Angels.

Tied game again

Off to extras, where the Angels do nothing and the White Sox walk it off, giving the Angels their 6th straight loss and a winless road trip.

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Mets this weekend after a day off tomorrow. They have been fixed, so, no easy opponent for the Angels.

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EHC
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EHC
8 minutes ago

OK. You can go ahead and say it: I told you so! I will listen. I am starting to see the badness that you were all preaching in February. I will admit I was too optimistic for my own good. You were right, and I was wrong!

Only really awful teams can go 1-10 and get swept by two other bad teams.

This team and its leadership refuses to learn or adjust (let’s strikeout – it’s OK/let’s nibble and walk hitters – it’s OK.) But I am NOT like them – I do learn and adjust – we are very bad, I admit. I was very wrong. I still hope we come in under 100 loses though.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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1 minute ago
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GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 hour ago

The first couple of weeks were fun as the line-ups were working and starting pitching looking good and the BP as predicted was, well, an Angels Bullpen full of disappointment. Good was Trouty’s OBP & OPS & power numbers. Good was the aforementioned SP. The bad is our hitting pretty much sucks and worse yet is the BP.

Most here predicted that the team would win 66 to 76 games or be a losing team. When reality sinks in and become something that is really real, panic sets in and we look to blame someone. Why blame Suzuki? No one here could do better, especially with what he has to work with. The manager is not to blame in this case. So, just what is the problem? Let’s count the ways.

Our minor league system is in complete shambles. Bad facilities, poor coaching, and SLC is no place to bring up players from (altitude). Weak drafts contribute, because if you don’t draft well, you then lack the players to promote that well help.

Remember when Sosh was chosen to be the guy at fault? He was replaced and that proved to show Sosh was to blame, right? From then on, we just went on to be in the pennant race every year with Trouty and Showtime.

Since Bill Stoneman show some backbone after Arturo purchased the Angels and informed the GM who had just won a WS that all player moves had to go through the owner and Bill saw where that was going and retired, we have had Reagins, Jedi, the guy who signed Shohei and really did nothing before or after that, then another guy that would work on the cheap who is in way over his head and has no back bone.

So would this team be contending if we had Cora for instance or someone of the like? How about that GM in Philly who sold off his minor leaguers and now has a losing team. The true be told the Angels are doomed as long as Moreno owns this team.

Arturo has no idea of how to run the operation from hiring the right people, to filling positions that will stay, to staying out of everything. He has two things going for him, he owns the team and he will possibly acquire billions of dollars simply by luck as his teams value has gone up in spite of him. So don’t blame Suzuki, he was one of the very few who would take the job.

Until the teams sells and sells to the right person or group of persons nothing short of a miracle will improve this organization. So, frustration reigns supreme for all of us here at CtPG.

MarineLayer
Legend
2 hours ago

I don’t care about Kikuchi. He’s free to join RenDone at the nursing home. Until MinASSian and Suzuki are gone, nothing can get much better on the field.

Jim Atkins
Super Member
2 hours ago

Holy crap, what a complete Charlie Foxtrot this team is. Trout reliving his youth is the only reason to watch. Fire Suzuki and Perry now.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Eric_in_Portland
Legend
3 hours ago

I might turn this into a fan post. I’m researching Maddon’s firing and finding gems like this:

“The firing was not about Maddon losing the clubhouse; Minasian later said he did not consult with any players or coaches about the change. It was not about effort; Minasian said at his news conference later that day “the effort has been great.” He did not give Maddon any specific reasons for why he was firing him. He kept telling him, “I’ve got to do something.” Nor did Minasian provide specificity at his news conference.”

and a quote from Maddon, on what Perry was doing with coaches and stats:

“[Minasian] kept reminding me, ‘The Braves did it. The Braves did it.’”

and this:

“Moreover, what Maddon calls a pregame “choreography” took root, spearheaded by Minasian and Tamin. Those two, not Maddon and his coaches, would decide which relief pitchers were not available for the game that night.”

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
2 hours ago

More evidence that Perry is just a Nimrod.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

Perry was just creating a distraction to protect his own ass.

BannedInLA
Super Member
56 minutes ago

If nothing else, I generally appreciated Maddon’s responses to questions as they tended to be equal parts forthright and quixotic. Rarely “say nothing” coach speak.

Washington would say some fairly honest things well.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
8 minutes ago

He got fired way too early. Yes, the losing streak sucked, but it started with iglesias giving up that blown save.

FungoAle
Legend
3 hours ago

The Year of the Dax!

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
3 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Headlline: Beavers Await Update on Whitney’s Injury

bobblanton
Trusted Member
3 hours ago

How does a pitcher blow 3 games in less than a week and still get opportunities. I understand not much else to use but why do you still have a job

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Because there is nobody better available for hire

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
3 hours ago

I think those were witches brooms Pineapple.

Pineapple12
Legend
3 hours ago

Please don’t go there lol. Frosty will come in and start blaming me for everything 😭

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
3 hours ago

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YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
3 hours ago

Just need the calendar with the monthly schedule and titanic at the end.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
7 minutes ago

The greatest failures of the 21st century or something like that. Someone here has the meme.

steelgolf
Legend
3 hours ago

If I go to another game this year, I might purposely buy seats right by the bullpen so I can heckle them until I get tossed out! (Even though the ushers would agree with me).

BannedInLA
Super Member
3 hours ago

And as April comes to a close for the Angles, Trout’s stat line is encouraging:

.248 / .431 / .569 / 1.000
5 doubles
10 homers
21 RBI
32 walks (against 30 K’s)
5 steals (0 CS)

I’m not sure how he’s faring on the defensive side of the ledger.

smithy610
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Trout is the only reason I’m watching the Angels right now, to see one more vintage Trout season before he demands a trade. I wanted 10 HRs before the month is over and he got it. Pretty amazing though that 9 of those HRs are on the road.

I want him to be healthy enough to crack 40 HRs this year, and maybe get to 15ish SBs. Gubi said something yesterday that his OB% of .430 is right around the number when he won his last MVP in 2019. I hope he puts up MVP numbers maybe for the last time.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

Right now Trout is one of the top 5 players in the league.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
2 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Soriano leads in bWAR. Trout, with his HR today, has likely passed the group at 1.8.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
1 hour ago

His “No doubter” percentage is 88.9. No cheap homers.

BannedInLA
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

Same here. I’ve accepted that we’re essentially a last place team, I’ll settle for a great season from Trout and positive development of some of our younger players.

I hope Trout gets traded to a contender, personally.

smithy610
Super Member
1 hour ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I hope he gets traded to the Yankees. Because that was the team that was “supposed” to have him. He’s their “the one that got away”. It’s time for them to come together and fulfill each other’s destiny.

BannedInLA
Super Member
43 minutes ago
Reply to  smithy610

The Yankees would be a very tough pill to swallow, but, so be it. He would absolutely rake in that stadium – particularly in the same lineup as Judge & Rice.

2pints
Super Member
37 minutes ago
Reply to  smithy610

f that

Pineapple12
Legend
16 minutes ago
Reply to  smithy610

Absolutely not wtf. Keep Trout unless there’s real value coming back in a trade (there won’t be)

2pints
Super Member
3 hours ago

If Trout stays healthy and continues producing like this, I could actually see him being traded at the deadline. It would break my heart, but if he OK’s it, then I’d be happy for him.

clover_black
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  2pints

Don’t think arte would ever allow that.

2pints
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  clover_black

If he’s planning to sell, which I think the odds are at about 65% of him doing so, what does he care? If he can get some salary relief while adding prospects to make the team’s future more attractive to a buyer, I think he’d do it.

milehigh
Trusted Member
35 minutes ago
Reply to  2pints

Unless Trout asks/demands a trade, no Arte wouldn’t allow it. A) hardly any prospects would be returned, imho. I don’t think he has that kind of trade value. B) If you want to sell something you make sure that you can point the buyer to a shiny object and woo them with emotion over brains.

If you take the shiny object away, much harder to sell.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
3 hours ago
Reply to  2pints

I could see him traded, but for what? The guy who would be receiving players back is the same guy who evaluated Romano, Pomeranz, Lucchesi, et al as being major league quality. It’s the same guy who’s run the draft for us since 2020.

2pints
Super Member
2 hours ago

My comment was more about it actually being a possibility, when in the past I never thought it could be. What we get back is a thought for another day.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
2 hours ago
Reply to  2pints

yep, understood

smithy610
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  2pints

I can see a scenario where he asks to be traded, and the dam breaks loose

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
3 hours ago

while looking for more info on Maddon’s firing I found this on Fangraphs. It’s from 2022.

“The bullpen, however, is another story, ranking dead last in the AL with a 4.30 FIP”

Perry inherited Maddon so it was easy for him to bounce Joe but Suzuki is another story. Firing Suzuki this quickly would mean admitting a mistake. One more thing about Maddon (who I always liked) is the Perry replaced him with Nevin who “guided” us to a 46-60 finish in 2022.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
3 hours ago

Can’t chase wins every game

bobblanton
Trusted Member
3 hours ago

Everyone already can see it was a big mistake can’t hire a brother when you need a dad

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  bobblanton

Do you blame the kid when he crashes the car, do you blame dad for giving him the keys?

steelgolf
Legend
3 hours ago

Swept by The Mighty, Mighty, White Sox ……. again. Yeeeesh.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

After the mighty mighty Royals

BannedInLA
Super Member
45 minutes ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Apparently we are the “slump buster” for the dregs of the league. Wonderful.

1-8 versus Toronto, KC & ChiSox. Is that good?

Last edited 44 minutes ago by BannedInLA
Pineapple12
Legend
3 hours ago

Who’s the jackass that bought tickets to 5 Sunday day games before this 1-10 skid? Me, I’m the jackass 🙂.

I’m going to keep watching because that’s what I do. Time to go full youth movement:

C – O’Hoppe
1B – Schanuel
2B – Grissom
SS – Neto
3B – Peraza
LF – Rada
CF – Trout
RF – Adell
DH – Moore

Bench: Guzman, Paris, Teodosio

SP: Soriano, Detmers, Silent C, Urena, Dana

RP: Joyce, Bachman, Fermin, Zeferjahn, Silseth, Southard, Natera

Clearly we don’t care about winning. At least let me (and us) enjoy watching our younger players.

BannedInLA
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Can Moore play LF?

I’d prefer to see Rada roam CF more often than Trout in this scenario, otherwise, sign me up.

Pineapple12
Legend
3 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

CMo has not played the OF in a professional game. I’m open to it, with no guarantee Jo is on the team past 2027 or Trout’s body holds up.

On Trout — I gotta imagine being out there in center every day is helping him at the plate.

Last edited 3 hours ago by Pineapple12
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It won’t happen, but I would actually like to see us trade Soriano, Neto, Adell and Soler this year, and Kikuchi if he’s healthy.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Never played a game in the OF?

That sounds like the best reason ever to start him in the OF. It’s trAdition.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Soler is actually on of the few guys who are hitting.

Pineapple12
Legend
3 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Good reason to trade him

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Agreed, but we should trade everyone else as well.

smithy610
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Any of these “young” players worth pinning your hopes on?

Logan looks cooked. Nolan is who he is. Shine is off Neto. Adell seems to be coming back to earth. This isn’t the so-called youth movement that the trash cans had in the mid 2010s or the one that the As have right now.

Pineapple12
Legend
2 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

Absolutely not worth pinning any hopes on these dudes. Decent odds that outside of Soriano and Neto the rest end up average or below average.

At least with youth we can delude ourselves with the hope that they improve and fulfill their potential. Something to look forward to. Right now there’s no hope or fun watching Soler, Moncada, Lowe, Pomeranz, etc etc

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

I would trade everyone with 3 or fewer years of control left except for maybe Detmers because I don’t think he has much trade value. We actually have replacements for everyone. After the trade deadline, I’d like to see this:

C – Rivera
1B – Fraizer
2B – Grissom
SS – Guzman
3B – Peraza
LF – Trout
CF – Rada
RF – Lugo
DH – Moore

And I’m good with moving Trout if possible and he could be replaced by Donovan Walton. This is not worth pinning any hopes on but it’s cheap and they can hold down the fort during the rebuild. You can see what you get back from the trades.

BannedInLA
Super Member
3 hours ago

Joyce started his rehab with Class-A Rancho today. I suppose if all goes well, we should see him join the club in about two weeks.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Perfect timing for him to be sent to the 60 day dl with arm fatigue

Last edited 3 hours ago by YOUknowulovetheIE
BannedInLA
Super Member
3 hours ago

I don’t really blame the BP for this particular game – though they are incredibly terrible.

Another game with almost zero collective offense.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

What do you expect with Neto batting lead off and moncada batting third. Our best player is sandwiched around two strike out kings

bobblanton
Trusted Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Suzuki puts a bad lineup every night and a terrible bullpen to follow

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
3 hours ago

Right on pace now. Projecting just under 61 wins.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
3 hours ago

I predict 57 wins

fyasko51
Trusted Member
3 hours ago

For the exception of a few players, most of the roster regressed. The “youth movement” looks pretty bad. Its going to be a long summer.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
3 hours ago
Reply to  fyasko51

Our hope is that Peraza and Grissom work out and we found a 2B and a 3B.

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