LA Angels Monday News Crash: Moves – Crashing the Pearly Gates

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FungoAle

1 month ago

Hoping another team signs Rengifo quickly to cure my insomnia

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

SS Ha-Seong Kim in agreement with Braves, one year, $20M.

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FungoAle

1 month ago

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Fills a need for the Braves. They are looking to bounce back and have been active thus far.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Had a random thought the other day that I thought would make an article but I am too slammed at work right now.

What if in the summer of 2022 I told you we traded Ohtani for Alek Manoah, Grayson Rodriguez, Oswald Peraza, and Vaughn Grissom? We’re talking about 2 MLB ready rotation pieces and two touted position player prospects at the time.

You’d be stoked, right?

And now we have all four of those guys and Ohtani is gone and it sucks. Makes you realize no matter how many prospects and young guys you have you always need more.

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

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it also shows the volatility of prospects. Can’t misses often do miss. The trick is to stockpile your own prospects and then bring up the ones who work instead of counting on just a few.

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Turk's Teeth

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I think the underlying thread with most of these prospects is/was injuries, much more so than misjudgment of their talent ceilings.

As we know from Rendon, Trout, Stephenson et al, injuries can derail the best laid plans, whether we’re talking about studs, mid-level vets, or prospects.

I still trade Ohtani for a similar package every day of the week.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

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Agreed. I’d have done backflips for that package and figured with Detmers in tow we were about to have a brilliant, cost controlled 1-3 for half a decade.

Yet here we are as Angels fans constantly looking at the one good OF prospect we have or the one guy we think will be a good starter year after year. Then we’re shocked when they don’t pan out.

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WallyChuckChili

1 month ago

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I don’t even know why we have a AAA team when we keep bringing up guys from AA.

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steelgolf

1 month ago

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Fodder storage.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

1 month ago

The Dodgers are now on the hook for $1,064,500,000 through 2047, owed to Diaz, Shohei Ohtani, Mookie Betts, Blake Snell, Freddie Freeman, Will Smith, Tommy Edman, Tanner Scott and Teoscar Hernandez.

The Dodgers’ high point due in a year is $102.3 million in both 2038 and 2039.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

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Anyone can do it!

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

1 month ago

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“It’s just money; it’s made up. Pieces of paper with pictures on it so we don’t have to kill each other just to get something to eat. It’s not wrong. And it’s certainly no different today than it’s ever been.”

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Marcotor

1 month ago

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Jeremy Irons was so perfect in that role.

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Kevin

1 month ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

I assume the current owners will sell the team before then

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Marcotor

1 month ago

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Why would they sell? They have already seen a 400% appreciation of the franchise value. Mark Walter’s day job is literally making money. And apparently many don’t understand the “should be illegal” rules on deferrals in the MLB CBA
(Remember, Ohtani’s agent offered the same terms to Arte, and to the Giants). All that deferred money isn’t being put on the Dodgers Amex card. They are, under the CBA, funding annuities at 100% of their depreciated value that will pay the players the agreed amounts. They won’t be writing $68 million checks down the road.

I’ve always wondered if Bobby Bonilla Day is actually a thing, like if Mets are actually writing a check. I would guess the Wilpons bought an annunity (at a significant discount) to pay him out. They’re a great way to pay devalued dollars later, with little to no effort.

And, just to add a tidbit, any excess earnings in the annunity? Those go not to the payee, but back to the Dodgers, per the CBA. Not liking the Dodgers and the way they do business is just dandy, but they’re getting just what they wanted – appreciation of the original investment.

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Charles Sutton

1 month ago

Steelgolf. I have seen your piece. Do you want me to make your links into live links?

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steelgolf

1 month ago

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Yes, please. Sorry, but I threw it together yesterday in a couple of hours and realized this morning that I didn’t do the links correctly.

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steelgolf

1 month ago

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Oh, and let me get into my disaster shelter! 😆

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

I know I’m more inclined to trade Jo Adell than most on the board, but if Adolis Garcia is worth $10 million then the surplus value on Adell must be substantial.

2 years of dingers and K’s for a foundational piece of a pitching rotation or infielder seems pretty fair to me.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

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Yep. Between that and what a couple other guys were worth in trades I actually got curious and checked. Adell’s up to a 12.6 on the SIM, 14.8 for his high value. If I remember right he was like an 11 before….

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Turk's Teeth

1 month ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

He was at 13 last week.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

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He fluctuates along with silver prices. Coincidence? Dig a little deeper my friend…..

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DMAGZ13

1 month ago

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I would absolutely trade Adell because he’s not getting re-signed. Boras client, will ask for too much based on HR totals. I would offer Adell and someone for Edwin Cabrera from the Marlins.

This is my fix.

Rada to CF
Trout to DH
Moore to LF
Guzman to SS
Neto to 2B
sign Okamoto for 3B.

Neto could be Jeff Kent-ish at 2B but will never sniff the ASGs behind all of the talented SS in the AL. He would take it personal but you sell him about being a superstar at 2B plus you protect him from injuries.

Moore’s high K and power numbers could be like an easy Ward replacement and still shoddy defense.

Guzman is intriguing talent and could play well at SS, as athletic and power

RF could be one of those 1 year vet contracts.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to DMAGZ13

Interesting. I think Moore ultimately ends up in LF but for now I’d prefer him in AAA.

Soler is on hand for RF for 2026. If anything I’d do a 1 year deal for LF and have Trout and Soler trade off RF and DH.

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DMAGZ13

1 month ago

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Something like

Rada
Schanuel
Neto
Trout
Okamoto
Soler
Moore
O’Hoppe
Guzman

Cabrera
Kikuchi
Soriano
Detmers
Rodriguez / Manoah

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Turk's Teeth

1 month ago

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Maybe a package deal to the Pirates with Caden Dana could bring back a couple controllable starters – a variation on your weekend Mitch Keller trade suggestion.

I think Dana for Keller straight across makes sense for the Angels – three years of a mid-rotation horse at a price a touch below market value.

But maybe Adell could bring back a guy like Hunter Barco, maybe even their second round CBA pick, which could allow for the Angels to pick up a free agent with a QO, w/o too much impact to their 2026 draft.

Dana <-> Keller
Adell <-> Barco + CBA pick

Gives the Pirates the big slugger they’re looking for while reducing payroll, and allowing them to still shop. Gives the Angels two rotation pieces with 3 and 6 years of control – stability and upside on the pitching staff for multiple years.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

I like it. And I’d be interested to see how the Pirates tweak Dana and what results they’d get out of him.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Cy Young – 2028

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FungoAle

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Trade him, approved

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

It’s really interesting to watch the Royals work. Nailing down Witt long term was great. Extending Garcia was also a slick move. That left side of the infield is gonna be a steal for years now.

They have a bunch of pitching. Will they sign any of it? They also have a bunch of needs. They are shuffling around a lot of talent for talent right now trying to get some sort of outfield production. They have a pretty lame farm so they can’t make a ton of trades. They don’t have a lot of money so they can’t buy their way to success even if Doyer fans say they can. They have a couple really good prospects they hope bloom. Will they be able to develop them?

I like the Royals. I feel like they are an example of a pretty well run team that would kick ass if they had the Angels money… but they don’t. And they do have failures they have to suss out, which again mostly goes to not being able to just buy and discard Teoscar Hernandez and Michael Conforto and try again.

I wonder if they’d like Jorge Soler back?

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

There may be a connection between the lack of moves and the fact none of the Asian third basemen have yet signed. All of their posting windows are getting close to closing, though.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

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We should probably sign the one that costs the most and can’t really play 3B.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

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Murikami’s posting window closes a week from today. He K’s the most and hits the most dingers while being the worst defender and likely costing the most money. Arte has to be all over him.

Okamoto’s posting window closes on Jan. 4.

Korean guy Song Sung-um’s window closes on Sunday.

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Mikeal1st

1 month ago

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I ‘ve had the impression that like I date dysfunctional women, Arte has learned he hires dysfunctional superstars and is laying off of them while he goes to group therapy about it. Am I wrong? I thought I saw him at a meeting.

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RexFregosi

1 month ago

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The big bats – Tucker, Bergman, Bichette, Ballinger – have yet to sign and getting big names off the board seems to be one of the first dominoes.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

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True. I was kind of hoping Schwarber and Alonso would free up the offensive side of things.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Oh no. We didn’t sign Jansen. Who will the the baseball mouths glop all over while the team wins 70 games this year? The sweat. The ninnypussing around with infielders. The phobia regarding having a man on second base. The allowing men to reach second base. The fact that there is a rule where a guy starts out at second base sometimes. Why even watch this season without that?

Plus! The chase to being only 150 saves short of the all time saves leader. We could have watched that! Celebrate all those saves he’s had for the Dodgers. Kinda like getting to buy a beer for the dude who knocked up your girlfriend because he happened to stay in the same hotel as you one night. All of that could have been ours, the countdown, the attention, the thrill…. all gone now.

What is this org thinking? We should have just given him 15M. After this current reload we surely will need a closer for the pennant chase.

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FungoAle

1 month ago

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Jansen was a late add last year, made no sense to sign a closer early, before addressing the other roster sore spots

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GrandpaBaseball

1 month ago

More Christmas shopping on schedule for today at Bass Pro and Dick’s sporting goods. Walk around open-air mall in Rancho and end up at Citrus Plaza in Redlands for a Santa Barbara Burger. Tomorrow starts homemade tamale making but cutting back to 150 instead of the usual 600 to give out, it’s the economy stupid 😂 , not really, it’s our backs we learned last year that hurt too much, besides gift cards are easier. Our list for our kids and grandkids is smaller, but of cost is higher, go figure.

“White Christmas” need not apply this year. Not lying, yesterday was 63 degrees with no snow on the ground, I’ve seen this happen only once before in 47 Decembers prior to to this year. Dasher and Rudolph were seen playing Golf on Saturday past.

Angels claim to be done shopping for help, this ’26 team will once again compete for the top draft choice in June ’27. There will be a shortage of hopeium this coming season, I think.

In NFL news it looks like three teams picked by a lot of pundits have hopes of next seasons with the Chiefs, Lions, along with Ravens and Colts playing catch up and hoping for some other teams to crash a burn. NFL games in the next two weeks showing up on pretty remote streaming services like Hulu, Netflix, and others, so check out the dial.

There is a former Orioles and Reds OF I would like to pick up on a 2 year deal who is a FA. I wanted him this past Winter and we sure could have used him, so now maybe he getz signed. We’ll see.

Everyone have a super day and have a smile for everyone you meet. 🎅

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

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Do you mean Hayes? Yup. I’d like to sign him too.

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toad2065

1 month ago

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Willie Mays Hayes? I’m in!

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

I’ve been part of the tamale making assembly line many times. Glad you are keeping it going. That’s a ton of work.

High school/college me would mix the masa in the buckets we’d use to bus tables. My friend would spread the masa on the husks, a mom would fill them, another mom would roll them, then we’d have people putting them into the correct pot for steaming. Took about 8 of us a full day.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

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I may have to go to Buffalo for work Thursday. I will freeze my dick off enough for the both of us.

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Mikeal1st

1 month ago

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I was born in Wisconsin. Get yourself a WIlly Warmer.