LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Management-Go-Round

This is kind of fun. Fangraphs suggests the most important job of a manager is to be used as a scapegoat when things go wrong. A side comment in the article was, “I can’t describe Anthony Rendon’s tenure accurately without violating various norms of editorial decorum and general good taste.” Come write for CtPG Mr. Baumann. You can only type one F-Bomb per month, but other than that you’re good to go.

Under New Management

Albert Pujols at least gets an interview for the Angels Field Manager job. Chaim Bloom is the new Cardinals President of Baseball Operations.

Canned Management

Bill Schmidt is out as the Rockies General Manager. Brian Snitker is out as the Braves manager. A bunch of Cardinals coaches are on their way out. Buster Posey says it is not likely Bruce Bochy will return to become the Giants manager.

Retained Management

None.

Here is a listicle about who elected free agency. Scott Kingery is the Angel who left the sinking ship.

Declan Cronin had Tommy John surgery.

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YOUknowulovetheIE
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17 hours ago

A source of mine told me Bobby valentine would me the new coach along with the dating show guy as the new gm

Last edited 17 hours ago by YOUknowulovetheIE
AngelsFanInHell
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1 day ago

Go Padres!

Last edited 1 day ago by AngelsFanInHell
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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On second thought HIRE PUJOLS. I don’t want an actual good manager coming here and getting chewed up by CtPG Guy’s analsis. The team’s so shitty a good skipper’s not gonna matter. I think it would be great if Albert’s piss poor walk it out energy had to come here and deal with the shit show his bullshit steroid induced fake age in the box shrug it off and suck mega contract kicked off.

I’ve realized I’d even probably listen to his post games, where he is forced to try and sound like he knows how to fix shit. Let that entertain me while a new GM tries to wrangle Arte into building the other half of the farm.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 day ago

His interactions with the press and fans will be worth it.
He will snap before summer

nishiogawakun
Super Member
19 hours ago

Honestly not a bad take.

MarineLayer
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1 day ago

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6680845/2025/10/02/mlb-manager-jobs-ranked/?campaign=15157307&source=athletic_targeted_email&userId=638482

This article possibly behind a paywall lists the Angels manager opening the worst among the nine available, with reasons well known to us.

RexFregosi
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1 day ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I saw that this morning but didn’t read it. I already knew the answer

nishiogawakun
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1 day ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Great Places To Work Certified!

Kevin
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23 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I heard a run down of the Twins opening. That’s worse.

Turk's Teeth
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17 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin

No way – the Twins have a much better farm.

Kevin
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Maybe but a worse MLB unit.

milehigh
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1 day ago

I don’t think we have gotten enough mileage out of this Torii / Albert manager discussion.
My over caffeinated thinking, Torii or Albert for GM. Which ?

Only half joking here. They both have been around a long time as players and have seen all different levels and kinds of players. The idea of one of them as GM intrigues me more than one of them as manager.

MarineLayer
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1 day ago
Reply to  milehigh

If you read the link below, they hate each other so it must be one or the other.

milehigh
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1 day ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I think that is what I said.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 day ago

Thing is, the roster that can’t win more than they lose is just going to cost more next year particularly Ward and Adell. And after next year, they will have to start paying Neto. Another reason to move them all and get younger and cheaper.

2002heaven
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Sounds so small market.
Just let them leave like a powerhouse college football program

Roy Hobbs
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1 day ago
Reply to  2002heaven

It is because there is no pipeline to restock.

2002heaven
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Then develop one by hiring good baseball people from the top college baseball programs (SEC).

Kevin
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23 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I disagree respectfully. Just keep getting younger and cheaper, that’s the answer? Do it now. Do it in three years. Do it again in 2033. Congrats you have just become the Pirates or Rockies. It doesn’t work.

What they need to do is build around Neto and Adell if they think they’ll be good for 6-7 years. Then they need pitching. Rendon comes off the payroll at end of 2026, as does Stephenson. Trout is what he is. Ward and Soler are both off after 2026, too. That’s close to $90-100 million in those four players alone.

The process requires making good decisions. Now and once they get the $100 million available. But starting over just for the sake of same doesn’t work.

Roy Hobbs
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21 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin

So you’re misunderstanding me. I agree with you in general but you’re thinking like someone logically and that’s not how they operate. What I was trying to say was if they are just keeping the same team together that is already unable to win, next year it will just cost more to do the same thing particularly because Adel and Ward are going to cost significantly more. So if they are not really trying to get better, then why not lose for less money. It wasn’t really a serious suggestion, it was more of a recognition of what’s happening. There are only two paths forward. one is to spend 300M dollars to acquire the pitching and bats needed to be reasonably good for the next 5 years and then rebuild the farm over that time, which isn’t likely to happen. The other is to do some kind of a rebuild. More likely, a total tear down. The problem with building around Adel and Neto is that Adel will cost a fair amount going forward and is a FA in two years and Neto starts going to arbitration after next year.

It is highly unlikely you will be fielding a competitive team in the next couple of years, so it doesn’t really make sense to keep anyone. You could keep Neto, but he will be a FA in 4 years and he has lot’s of trade value now, as does Adel. That gives you the opportunity to get a bunch of players on the same schedule and dramatically lower your payroll so that at some point in the future you can use that payroll to supplement the roster you put together. Done properly, I believe they could field a team that could win 73 games like they are now in fairly short order that wouldn’t cost much and also have a much improved Farm System. You would be in a much better place to move forward. My issue is even if you give Perry a pass on the major league team, his drafting has been horrendous except for Neto.

And realistically, we actually are just a little better version of the Rockies and the Pirates right now.

Kevin
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Got it. And yes, I agree the next couple years look like they are uphill. Of course, some savvy management moves and maybe an off-season trade or Ward for a top of the rotation starter could change things.

Phil
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21 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

100% agree.
And, that includes Neto.
Our team needs help EVERYWHERE.

If we can trade Neto and get 4-5 players playing slightly above average, that’s better than one Neto.
Neto’s already injured his shoulder on 2 separate occasions, and suffered hand injury in August (and aggravated that injury in Mid-September, resulting in him missing the last couple of weeks).

No one on the team should be considered untouchable.

Look at Barry Bonds (who would be considered untouchable), one of the best to ever play the game.
And who beat Bonds and the Giants in 2002 World Series?

clover_black
Super Member
1 day ago

Would we be happy w/ bob melvin? i just remember him being decent w/ oakland then i pretty much forgot about him. i think that might be a good option instead of pujols but what do i know im an angel fan.

milehigh
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1 day ago
Reply to  clover_black

Three time manager of the year. I wouldn’t be against it.

I’d like to see Arte and his cronies be manager and GM. Eat your own cooking.

2002heaven
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1 day ago
Reply to  clover_black

Yes, however he was also making a lot of money.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  clover_black

Yes, would much rather have an experienced guy like him or Showalter.

Kevin
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23 hours ago
Reply to  clover_black

Perry’s brother just fired him. He isn’t coming here unless Perry is let go.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Friggin Reds. They actually had their chances in BOTH games. Ah well….

Speaking of pathetic. The team’s getting a new manager and what do we have? A bunch of dudes debating the personalities and paper thin qualifications of a couple ex-players for the managers job. As long as we’re in the market for a big bushel of memberberries and comments about “that one time that….” can we throw Weaver and Ersty and their stiff dicks into the mix? How bout some Percival and his grit? Remember 2002 guys? so cool.

Or we could go buck wild and get a manager instead of an ex-player who has the smile/scowl that makes our hearts flutter or said something funny a couple times.

Just sayin, Arte, you could actually try at this a little. I don’t even care if it’s a guy I have heard of. I just want to be able to point to why he is getting hired, coaching success or something, rather than just “reeeee meehm buurrrr?”.

With Pujols, do we even have that?

Go Brewers, Tigers, Padres…..

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 day ago

what do we have? A bunch of dudes debating the personalities and paper thin qualifications of a couple ex-players for the managers job.

Arte’s a marketing genius and this current strategy deflecting attention from the Skaggs trial is working splendidly.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  RexFregosi

You seriously think they were sitting around in a room and said “This Skaggs trial. Joe Fanbase is paying way too much attention. Let’s fire Wash and then talk about hiring Pujols! That’ll make it so no one is paying attention!”?

But Perry is the stupid one around here?

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 day ago

Of course not, they aren’t that smart nor have they any inkling of public relations.

they are getting lucky though to have Sammy and Kenny writing about this instead of the trial

Eric_in_Portland
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1 day ago

The fans aren’t the ones responsible for the bad teams. If the front office floats the idea that Pujols or Hunter are being considered then, yeah, we’ll have opinions and discuss them.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Just sayin, Arte, you could actually try at this a little. I don’t even care if it’s a guy I have heard of. I just want to be able to point to why he is getting hired, coaching success or something, rather than just “reeeee meehm buurrrr?

Terry
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1 day ago

I’ve previously brought up a couple of times the subject of the huge crowds attending Angels game despite the lousy product on the field.

I will try to look at it from Arte’s perspective, though not a defense of this past lost decade.

He is a business person, and got very rich being one. He has spent ginormous gobs of cash on free agents, and mostly been burned badly. Not with just the obnoxious Rendon deal but many others, Josh Hamilton anyone? Yes, and probably rightly so, it could be said he should have known some of these signings were not going to age well, or the team philosophy of plugging holes with gigantic contracts was a bad idea, he spent the money anyway. Yet cheaped out on scouting. He’s blown hundreds of millions of dollars on lousy signings.

Despite that, the people keep buying them tickets. Though attendance is down a half million from five years ago, the attendance was still over three million in the first four years of the lost decade. And over 2.5 million plopped their behinds in the seats during the worst four year stretch in franchise history, the past four years. So really, who is at fault here? Or should it be spread around? Blame it on the owner who has wasted an ocean of money? Or a fan base that give him their dough despite the lousy product?
If a person buys the same brand of beer all the time for a decade and complains about how it sucks every year, the brewery keeps producing it. If fewer buy the beer, the brewery increases the price to offset the losses. The brewery says to their customers: “We know the product is not good, but this year we spent a load of money bringing in a fantastic new brew master and our product will be better next year.”
But a year later the product still sucks, and the brewery made loads of money .
The next year rolls around and the beer tastes better…for awhile, then sucks again. The new brew master gets ill and can’t work, the new young people making the beer are not up to the task, but a few show great promise. By the middle of the year the bad beer cycle starts again.
You see the brewery wins, either way. The value of the brewery increaes, the money keeps rolling in and the brewery owner drinks expensive champaign while toasting the customers that made it so.

Welcome to the Angels Brewery.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Terry

This will make a total Satanist out of me, but I can name about a dozen fan bases that would kill their least favorite child to have an owner that pisses away about a billion dollars in lost payroll trying to buy me a championship and then pisses away millions more trying to keep my team in the same city it’s currently located in.

Sure, Arte should sell. But big picture Arte’s generally tried to do good things and failed miserably at it. That’s NOT something that can be said for a large number of teams.

The whole “he doesn’t care cause he make monies anyway” thing is kinda limp. The owners all make money. The money from all those rubes we complain about gets split up and mixed with the rubes in Arlington and Kansas City, etc. Franchises generally increase in value no matter what. They increase a lot more if they win.

Honestly, if I were in Arte’s spot, I would just be over it. It’s not like he hasn’t spent money “trying to win”. He has. And it has likely been a shitty experience. I’d possibly start phoning it in at that point too. The cash comes in either way.

Of course, at this point, I’d sell. Why he doesn’t I do not know. He’s got the bulk of his personal fortune tied up in something that I wouldn’t be enjoying anymore and he’s old.

Jeff Joiner
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1 day ago

I watch way too many episodes of Bar Rescue and it is amazing how much that show translates to the Angels and just business in general.

Every one starts off with an owner who hires a family member or friend to run a once successful business. The owner fails to hold management accountable and the staff runs amok.

Sure at the end the bar gets some paint and a new drink menu, but the real fix is the owner and manager not the building. I’ve looked many up on Yelp and most close even after the rescue unless the manager is replaced.

Arte hired Carpino and Kuhl and put them into executive positions in 2009. Take a look at the Angels from that point forward and compare it to Bar Rescue.

steelgolf
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1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Could you imagine John Taffer coming into The Angels organization to try and turn it around? 😆😆😆😆 Screaming at the 3 Horseman of the Baseball Apocalypse and explaining to them that THEY are the problem!

Last edited 1 day ago by steelgolf
milehigh
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1 day ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Taffer would quit. It would be like that bad class that makes a teacher retire.

RexFregosi
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1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

any episodes where red polos are mandated?

steelgolf
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1 day ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I remember that one. I think they said that the lady changed it back to a pirate bar, because………. Well, she was nuts.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

There *was* a bar here that had that makeover. It made it worse and the place closed

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 day ago

Sadly, I think Arte is over it. We will see if he spends on the team again but I’m afraid it may not be what it used to be – it hasn’t been this decade.

He’s a real estate developer and that where his kids interests lie. Those 2.6 million ticket sales are funding their burgeoning real estate empire in Phoenix and the Moreno Group keeps picking up choice commercial and residential parcels here.

did anyone see him in Anaheim even once this year? He shows up in March here every day almost.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  RexFregosi

He’s seen in the Heim plenty…. private jets are rad and he has a house out here. Him being present isn’t the problem. The lack of TV money isn’t really either, his payroll is still over 200M. I have no idea if he is really over it, but I would be.

Fansince1971
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1 day ago

In the larger analysis, it is important to consider the potential impact of a looming work stoppage in 2027 and Arte’s willingness to invest with that storm brewing. As a result, I predict he will be fairly unwilling to open the wallet this offseason (meaning more unwilling than in prior seasons). My presumption is we will be looking at a payroll at or even a little below ’25. What that means is that ’26 becomes fairly reliant on players like Schaunel, O’Hoppe, Soriano, Joyce and others making a big forward step.

That is a lot to hope for and if I were a betting man – I would say ’26 is going to look a lot like ’25 and ’24 and ’23 etc. Of course we will hear the word “competitive” a lot this offseason so I suggest to those of you who, like me, enjoy an alcoholic drink or two, we create a drinking game centered around that word.

Angelz4ever
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1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

There will be a loooooong work stoppage when the CBA expires. The two sides are miles apart and no bridging hopes on the salary cap.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

The team sucks. The league really could use a salary cap and floor. Teams like the Yankees and Doyers have to worry about pissing a year away with their pile of expensive players that are over 30 years old. Angels, Marlins, Rockies, White Sox fans…. not so much. It’s the perfect time for us to sit back and let the dogs fight to get us what we need in the long run.

This CBA will pretty much determine if Central Division teams other than the Cubs will matter at all moving forwards or if the post season will always just be “The SEC” of baseball in the end.

Born_in_59
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1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’m not sure I can keep enough booze on hand for that game.

AngelsFanInHell
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1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Team Torii approves. Cheers! 🍻

I’m on a martini kick right now, so that could be dangerous. 😃

Fansince1971
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1 day ago

Yeah the “competitive” game and martinis could lead to bad things! 😂

Jeff Joiner
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1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Not only that, Arte’s reworked TV deal only has 2 years left on it. I doubt he’ll want to sign massive contracts that go beyond his guaranteed income.

Fansince1971
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1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Thats a good point and also plays into the work stoppage since I doubt that contract pays if there is no baseball. So, I would think there is uncertainty beyond ’26.

ihearhowie3.0
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1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Sounds like an amazing time to sell everything and stockpile prospects that will be valuable in 3-4 years

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

YES! A new GM/manager combo would work great with this. And if you are really planning to bounce this team off the bottom of the barrel maybe Trout will put in three good months and wave his NTC.

RexFregosi
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1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’ve always focused on hoping 2026 club would be competitive for exactly this reason- who knows about 2027 and beyond?

Fansince1971
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1 day ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Competitive- it’s a little early in the am but that’s a drink!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

I am actually all for Cheap Arte this winter.

  • The team sucks. It’s not like “just spend a little more” gets them anywhere.
  • The Payroll is still massive, especially for what comes out of it.
  • The “young core” as a whole hasn’t surged forward into near contention.
  • The farm is a fail pile. So the near future doesn’t look like it’s just an extra 20M in payroll away.
  • If you sign a guy for an extra 10M a year to get you an extra 2 wins per year is that really worth jack shit?
  • Anyone I sign now is an expense my GM has to carry for a few years while he should be building something. We already have a huge drag in Trout.

Look at Kikuchi. He’s done a solid job. But all that solid job has done is take a 67 win team and get them over 70 wins. For what? 22M of “my” money? I’m not saying that a good owner should be cheap, but he should be smart about WHEN he spends. Also where he spend.

For example, I love Adell and Neto. But I’d trade them right now. They will only get more expensive. Paying them an extension only means I piss money away on a maybe .500 team. They have a ton of trade value. Soriano too. The work stoppage will happen, then at least another year of shitty Angels, probably two. I wouldn’t spend any of the Rendon money when it comes off the books. Kikuchi I would also trade at the next deadline if he looks good. Nolan if he looks good as well. Out the door for prospects.

I know it will make some of the man boobs on this site ache, but there is actually nothing wrong with an owner actually turning a massive profit from having a cheap payroll for a little while as apposed to keeping the payroll high just to look “engaged” or what ever.

Again, IF I WERE CheapnEvil I’d then plow several million a year into getting a GM who can build a farm and paying for what ever he needs to get that done. What ever it takes to have several good position players ready to go within three or four years when, we hope, some of Perry’s pitching pile is also rounding into form. Create a philosophy or plan that gets implemented all through the system and draft and Intl FAs.

Who plays on the 26 man with Trout? Don’t care. Who manages? Who ever the GM thinks can also develop into a manager who fits the system he is building. Let the manager actually develop along with the farm system if need be. This MLB team will suck hard instead of softly sucking the way we seem to need it, but it’s worth it if you have a pile of young players, a manage, and coaches that are all aligned to get you eight years of success.

After the Labor/TV Deal ruckus calms down Arte can either sell (huzzah) or if I were him I’d have been collecting cash. About 2-3 years into “The Plan” if things are looking like they are gonna get good I spend a pile of that money signing young players to early extensions. THEN I let the GM spend on some fairly large but not MEGA contracts to finish off his build and run a top 10 payroll again.

Or just bring Ward and Jansen back next year….

Jeff Joiner
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1 day ago

Here’s the way Arte and his cronies see the current situation:

Trout is healthy again and will regain MVP form soon.

Joyce and Stephenson will be a dynamic back end of the bullpen so we’re pretty much set there.

Ward and Adell will continue to his 35+ HR each.

Neto and Schanuel are cheap so let’s neither extend or trade them.

We didn’t have any pitcher injuries last year. We won’t next year, either.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

78 wins HERE WE COME!

Fansince1971
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1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

No – I think they are saying:

We keep pulling the wool over these sucker’s eyes (channeling PT Barnum’s “a sucker is born every minute”). They think – we draw 2.5-3m fans per year just by saying “competitive”. As long as the suckers keep paying- why change anything?

A sucker is born ebvery minute and in the Angel world it may be more frequent than that.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Having been around actual humans, and lacking in those Arte/Daddy issues, I think it’s more likely that they think they are “this close” to all the bad ideas they have had for ten years now working. They aren’t even thinking about wool and suckers, that’s a you problem. They think their way is gonna work any year now, they sure as hell don’t want to admit they failed, so they’ll just keep pushing jello out. They probably really do want to bring a winner to the fans, etc…. their way.

Like most people.

Fansince1971
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1 day ago

I somewhat disagree because if they weren’t selling tickets to the suckers, they would definitely be rethinking their strategy. So economics makes it so that they don’t have to change one bit.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I think they see it like this:

2.6 million tickets sold ✅ = 💵

toad2065
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1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Have you looked at the list of potential free agents? Just who would you want Arte (or any other owner) to open the wallet for?

Jeff Joiner
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1 day ago
Reply to  toad2065

Bellinger is the one guy I really like.

This is going to be a horrible year for free agents, I think. About a third of the league is in TV money limbo, there’s the impending work stoppage, and a bunch of meh free agents.

Fansince1971
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1 day ago
Reply to  toad2065

Toad – it’s so much bigger than Free Agents. It’s investing in a real baseball Organization with the highest quality scouts, coaches at all levels, executives, nutrition, conditioning- all the things that go into building a quality Farm system and quality Organization. Looking at free agent names is over simplifying the issue.

I am saying with a work stoppage looming in 2027, I doubt Arte will be doing the soul searching required to invest in reworking the entire Org. We will have a new field manager but all else will likely remain the same.

A motivated owner might be thinking after 11 losing seasons, “what wholesale changes can be made Organizationally to start turning things around?” It costs money to change infrastructure. I am saying I highly doubt those type of investments will be made. Everything will remain the same.

So do you still want to pay money for this crap if that is the case?

RexFregosi
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1 day ago
Reply to  toad2065

Pat Murphy

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
1 day ago

Another great article today, Mr. Sutton. Ii got a good chuckle.

Now that it’s October, I like having that “eff bomb” in my back pocket, ready to use at a moment’s notice.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Great line: “This job (Angel managerial position) is a hospital pass. Good luck to whoever ends up with it, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

Last edited 1 day ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
MarineLayer
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1 day ago

After reading that article, I don’t understand why Arturowould even consider Pujols. It’s clear Torii is the better leader and Pujols is a negative in the extreme. It’s not clear Torii would know how to actually manage but I think it would be worth finding out.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Pujols has a 10-year service contract. I suspect hiring him as a manager would count toward that and save Arte some money.

steelgolf
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1 day ago

Tip of the cap to Marcotor who’s posted this link yesterday. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/angels-tense-times-nearly-included-pujols-hunter-fight-in-2012/
It is must read, from 2012, and the Angels team is still a floundering shit show. I feel like this is a real life version of the Mel Brooks movie “The Producers”. Where Arte is purposely putting out a product that is so bad that he makes accounting money off of it. I truly don’t think Arte can be embarrassed about anything.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  steelgolf

I agree. Arte’s actions, not words, belie his intentions. Just watch what happens when Rendon’s $$ comes off the books and he doesn’t reinvest. He knows the fans are lemmings and will come to the ballpark when the team is losing 90+ games a season. It’s already a proven fact.

2025: 2.6M, 5th highest home attendance in the AL
2024: 2.6M, 6th highest home attendance in the AL
2023: 2.6M, 6th highest home attendance in the AL
2022: 2.5M, 5th highest home attendance in the AL
2020-2021 COVID
2019: 3.0M, 2nd highest home attendance in the AL
2018: 3.0M, 2nd highest home attendance in the AL

Until the fans stop spending – really stop spending – Arte will cap his costs regardless of what the on-the-field product is delivering.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 day ago

Arte and Alfred – destroying the franchise together since 2012
those two did more damage than anyone to this baseball club the least decade +

they deserve each other

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
1 day ago

Part of that is the large attendance numbers from visiting fans that will never be lost. The stadiums also in a centralized location that facilitates businesses buying season tickets and group ticket sales.

Fansince1971
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1 day ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Yep – and dont forget Disneyland and families visiting and taking in a ballgame as part of their vacations. Those dollars will not be lost no matter how poorly the team is playing. However, season ticket holders could rebel and it would have an impact.

Jeff Joiner
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1 day ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I’ve noticed the team is also really reaching out to the community to get groups in.

There were Little League days every Sunday for the first month plus of the season. Teams from Lakewood went this year. Teams from Riverside and San Bernardino, too. Each kid is typically good for a couple of parents and often a sibling.

The Angels gave our Little League (Fountain Valley) a free ticket to a midweek game for every ticket we bought to our LL day. I took most of my team and their parents to it. I bet they did the same for others.

There was a collection of dance squads one night. A couple of collections of marching bands and choirs doing the national anthems. Again, each kid brings others with them.

Credit Team Arte for being involved in the community and getting butts in seats, but most of those butts paid $25 per ticket and aren’t real fans. Better to get something than nothing out of them but the days of packed houses paying face value are way over.

steelgolf
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yep. Just trying to put people in the stadium and capture parking monies and concessions money. Ever notice during the broadcast that the Gubi and Randazzo or whomever are always eating something different and pimping the culinary fare at the stadium? If the team isn’t good enough to lure you to the stadium, how about the many food items available!!!

milehigh
Trusted Member
1 day ago
Reply to  steelgolf

You would think the next step is a review of the bathrooms.

steelgolf
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  milehigh

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Arte: “You want a nice bathroom, rent a Platinum suite!”

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Tori is a good guy and Albert is not. I don’t think they like each other. I saw that Trout said he thinks Albert would be a good manager. Fun times. It will be fun to watch the dumpster fire.

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I am on Team Torii.

Have you ever heard Trout say anything negative about anybody? It’s not in his nature. I would love to have Bochy mentor Torii here, but we don’t get nice things.

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Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 day ago

We can’t have nice things.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Trout is clearly a lying weasel who is also stupid. You’d see it this way too if you just apply the same 60 cycle hum brain to Trout’s comment as we do when ever our GM comes out and says “We will compete this year” or “Nah, I didn’t want to trade at the deadline cause meaningful games”.

Sure, if I just ask myself what I expect a guy in that position to say, what both Trout and GM says makes sense. But if I apply my daddy issues to it, clearly Trout a nefarious moron with a huge ego. I am so angry. I will make it my mission in life to hold Trout accountable for this. My other hobby is watching the news on TV and talking at it like it can hear me.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I’d rather have Torii, but I don’t think it is clear that Pujols would be a bad manager. Trout definitely appeared to look to Pujols as a mentor, and Pujols always seemed to have good knowledge of the game. It was his physical abilities that declined.

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
1 day ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Trout also respects Torii, who was a mentor when Trout joined the league.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
1 day ago

I agree Trout respects Torii. And I think there are valid personal reasons for not wanting Pujols to be hired as the manager, but I don’t think it’s fair to say he lacks the skills to be the manager.

tanana40
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  steelgolf

The 2012 Angels won 89 games but they were also underperforming.

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