LA Angels Monday News Crash: Sammy Peralta – Crashing the Pearly Gates

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GrandpaBaseball

2 days ago

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bobblanton

2 days ago

No Jo Adell either. Is he hurt

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bobblanton

2 days ago

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Well Erica says he’s playing tonight but espn says he’s not. Which one is correct

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Terry

2 days ago

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He has vertigo

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bobblanton

2 days ago

New catcher tonight

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Phil

2 days ago

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Yep.
Looks like the catcher is 26-y/o Sebastien Rivero (2-yr career with Royals, 34 games, 0.167BA, 0 HR, 4 RBIs, 25 Ks in 66 at-bats)

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Phil

2 days ago

Farris pitched well yesterday.

Fun fact: Last week, Farris was the 4th Angel to make MLB debut in KC.
The other 3: Frank Tanana (1973), Jarrod Washburn (1998), and Seth Etherton (2000)

For today:

Richardson has faced Angels once (back in April), winning that game while giving up 1 run in 5-1/3 innings.
For 2025, he’s 5-4, ERA 4.53

Dana has not faced Twins.
For 2025, he’s 0-0, ERA 4.91

Trout has played against Twins in 57 games, with 0.271 BA, 8 HRs, 33 RBIs.
He last hit a HR on August 6th.

With 19 games left, can Trout hit 2 more HR to get to 400?
I say YES! And in today’s game!

((hey, I can always dream. After all, if my Niners could win yesterday at Seattle, where Purdy threw the ball up for grabs, and Tonges (who had ZERO catches in his prior 21 games) grabbed the ball of out nowhere for game-winning TD, then anything can happen!!).

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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It’s nice that Trout has played long enough this season to remind us all of one of the reasons we never saw much of him in the play offs. He fkin blows late in the season, even when he was young.

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DMAGZ13

2 days ago

Logan O’Hoppe being garbage, Tyler Anderson reverting to a pumpkin, and Trout falling off the cliff is what sunk this team in the second half. Neto and Ward carried the pre ASB and Adell is trying to hold up the second. Imagine if they had 3-4 more decent players on offense they could all spread the impact. Also, Kikuchi and Soriano are falling off now on the second half, probably needed to skip a start to stay fresh during the dog days, but no pitchers beyond the top two. You need 6-7 real starters,

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DMAGZ13

2 days ago

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Offensively for ‘26 I’ll take Neto, Adell, Ward, Schanuel as a good start, but they seem to be banking on A LOT on Moore and Rada coming through. That gives them barely 6 guys to watch everyday. Still need the other guys. Catcher is a huge problem.

Pitching, they flatly need to sign 3 pitchers, 2 that will be in the rotation, and then 2 young guys to float in AAAA world and then promote one of the young guys.

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Phil

2 days ago

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Agree!
Also, it’ll be interesting to see whether Detmers is a reliever or starting pitcher in 2026.
I’d like to see him in starting rotation.

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DMAGZ13

2 days ago

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I don’t think they sign 3 real FA starters as that would be around $50 million at least. Instead I think Detmers (ugh) and Dana are promoted. Dana will be 22 so the age of a college senior but I can see them going that way. Although they’ll have to manage innings. They need another vet starter to trio with Kikuchi and Soriano. I’d spend $20million on someone good and then add to the lineup with the left over $30 to play with. If there is that much.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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Three “real” FA starters is more like 60-80M

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

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I think they are also banking on Denzer Guzman at third base. He’s sporting a nice .268/.358/.475 line across 137 AAA plate appearances.

That’s exactly the type of high altitude small sample size that gets the Angels excited.

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DowningDude

2 days ago

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I see the offense really missing Schanuel at the moment. The guy was no world beater but he put up some good AB’s that made the pitchers expose a lot of their pitches.

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2GA2Join

2 days ago

I saw a movie once… I think it was a documentary… called Inception.

If we could pull that off on Arte, and implant the idea: “Make Turks your GM and give him whatever he needs” that might be the only way we’re above 500 this decade.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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You’re really sweet, but I wouldn’t last a year under Arte. He’d fire me for insubordination and poor grooming to boot.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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You’d quit first. After the first 30 days of idiots messaging you with “Turks. Why haven’t you gone into Arte’s office and told him he’s an asshole? Turks. Turks! I need you to be my special idiot on the inside. Also, just sign these espensive free agents. Juss dewit! Do the right thing Turks!”

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Mikeal1st

2 days ago

The Savannah Bananas were absolutely incredible last weekend. I was looking forward to the show, and while I was still lamenting not being able to watch Sunday’s Angel game from a dugout suite, what I got to see in person was hands down the most entertaining show of my life.
It was nonstop fun for over two hours, blending baseball with vaudeville. The grand finale, complete with their Hall of Fame flair, made me jump out of my seat. If you ever get the chance, see a show someday, you’ll walk away grinning ear to ear.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

2 days ago

Arte is 79 years old and set in his ways. Short of dementia, he’s unlikely to change.

I don’t see him selling either, for similar reasons to when he chose not to “sell” Ohtani. This probably means that the team will pass to his wife, followed by a transition period (see “Jackie Autry”) before a sale.

With a -120 run differential, the Angels are significantly overperforming their Pythagorean record, which suggests they’ve been lucky to stay close to .500. A team’s actual record can differ from its Pythagorean expectation because of luck, close-game performance, or the order of events. In the 2025 Angels’ situation, all three factors could be at play. For example, as of September 8, 2025, the Angels’ record in close games is 28 wins and 26 losses. A “close game” is typically defined as one decided by three runs or fewer.

I want to believe the team is on the upswing, but the data doesn’t support that. If the roster sees minimal changes in 2026, it’s more likely the team’s W-L performance will regress closer to 2024 than this season’s results.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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I remember when the Angels were winning close games at a much higher rate, and several folks were making the case that it was fundamentally characteristic of how the Angels were built and not luck. At that time, I was saying – I dunno, this is pretty weird really, this shouldn’t be happening, given that Angels have a bad bullpen and bad defense – the two things that tend to be the biggest factors in holding leads in close games.

Now the Angels are almost 50/50 in close games on the season – meaning the team has been losing more close games than they’ve been winning (a corrective regression). Even as they’ve seen some bullpen and defense improvement later in the season, which I think reinforces how much good fortune the team was experiencing in the first half.

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Eric_in_Portland

2 days ago

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I, too, see a regression based on the math.

However when you pitch Scott Kingery and he gives up 8 runs can we consider run differential accurate??

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

Even if you subtract the recent position player pitching buffoonery, the team would still have the worst, or second worst, run differential in the AL I’m afraid.

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Eric_in_Portland

2 days ago

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Yes, I just looked it up. It’s pretty bad.

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RexFregosi

2 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

Paul Allen passed and Jody Allen became an owner but had other people run the Seahawks and Blazers. I think she is supposed to sell but is slow to. The Blazers finally went up for sale.

we will be in the hands of some administration for awhile – let’s hope it’s good hires.

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Terry

2 days ago

Or could be the Sacramento A’s who will win as many, more, or slightly fewer games as our boys this year, on less than $75 million budget, with a great youth core and great farm system, and a new stadium in a couple of years. Who wants to be in Oakland anyway? The Warriors, Raiders didn’t. The owner of A’s may be a lot of things, but he may be crazy like a fox. And they don’t have $75 million tied up next year in Trout and Rendone. I rather have their place in baseball than the Halos.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

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It’s true Oakland has its issues but the fanbase Is strong. Would have loved to see the A’s stay there. However, I’m on course to arrive in Vegas when they do. So I am casually watching their drafts and progress. Been an Angel fan since early, early Nolan Ryan days but the current regime and FO will make it ez to go from Red to Green.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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The A’s, unlike the Yankees, Doyers, Mariners etc are a likeable bunch. It’s nice to have a rival that I enjoy beating, but I am not filled with anger and rage about. all the time.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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Plus, better uniforms. I am with the A’s. I didn’t want to stay in Oakland either. It may be the US capital for “pay more get less”.

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steelgolf

2 days ago

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“Pay more, get less” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh, you will get more, more thefts, vandalism, assaults, drugs, homelessness, etc., etc.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

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When I lived in Sacramento we would regularly rent out warehouses in Oakland to throw raves. We did it so often the owners of the empty warehouses actually branded the location the Oakland International Rave Center for a while.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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Oh, so it was you who was piloting the ghost ship!

(As an owner of a venue / performing arts center, Ghost Ship is always my guiding example for what to avoid at all costs.)

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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Yeah. I ran a DIY/Punk venue back then. I swear to gah I had all kinds of bureaucrat Karens and concerned parents check in on me for about six months and I kept having to reassure the world I was not running the Ghost Ship.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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What was the venue? I might have played there, lol.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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The Hard To Find Showspace. Kinda by UCSB

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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Ah – nope, never played in Goleta. Thought you might have been talking about the East Bay, which I took many runs through.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

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Ha ha.

No, actually there was a company called HomeBase that was all set to take on Home Depot until they went bankrupt and defaulted on a bunch of leases, one of which was on 5 or 6 big warehouses right by the Coliseum.

One day my friend found out who owned the site and asked if he could rent it for a weekend. They asked essentially no questions and took a very reasonable fee.

It was a prefect venue. Lots of parking, a warehouse for each style of music, no neighbors. Money was made and the process was repeated.

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Mikeal1st

2 days ago

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You party animal!

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

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I’ve posted on the board I’ve been sober for a little over 16 years.

But before then…..let’s just say I’m glad there wasn’t social media and cameras everywhere.

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Mikeal1st

2 days ago

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Definitely sad. Maybe because there were very few fans, only the die-hards, but they were very knowledgeable and very friendly but when I visited a few years back, I was very impressed. Stadium really sucked. Can’t believe the local government has let that town slide so far south and has lost all three major sports.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

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The supposed lack of fans only came after the shitty ownership. Their attendance in the 80s and 90s was solid and even some years post 2000.

There are a ton of A’s fans from Sacramento and throughout the East Bay that simply got sick of their favorite team constantly trading their best players. Yes, sometimes the A’s record was decent but in baseball your favorite players are important.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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Yep. A’s fans. Pirates fans. Holy crap it’s gotta suck just knowing Skenes isn’t gonna sign an extension in Pitt and he’s gonna be gone soon. That’s what those people do. Watch prospects make it big and leave.

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Angels2020Champs

2 days ago

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As an alum on TOHS, I’m team Wilson and therefore root for the A’s. It was fun seeing both dad and son Friday night, even at the expense of the Halos. Really looking forward to seeing them in Vegas, bummed I didn’t see them at the coliseum (I was just there, took the train from Levi to Oracle and boy howdy is the coliseum area a shit hole) but I’ll make it to Sacramento next year to see them play the angels.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to Terry

I’m literally sitting on my couch yesterday with my wife – the first time we’ve watched the Angels together on TV in a couple months, and she’s saying “what would it take to follow the A’s? – this is such a fun team”.

That’s a very organic response – and we ignited our romance during the Angels’ 2002 run, and she even went to fantasy Angels baseball camp, so the legacy stakes are high.

The A’s also, more than any other club, followed my draft board to a tee. Several times they either selected my top pre-draft favorite or the player who was BPA at that moment. Jamie Arnold, Devin Taylor, Gavin Turley – all the moves I would have made for them with their top three picks. Then Zane Taylor, Samuel Dutton, Bobby Boser were all deeper cuts on my boards down the line. Six different intersection points, and a few extra picks where I scratched my chin, and said: ah good one, that’s an interesting one, I didn’t think of that.

Devin Taylor just hit his sixth HR in his short cup of coffee in A ball, btw. .264/.388/.481 with a 134 wRC+ – on pace to likely debut in 2026 (an ideal replacement for Taylor Ward). BPA on the board when the Angels selected at #47 and the Athletics selected at #48.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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It’s the same reason I follow the Rays the last decade+. They select prospects I’m interested in. They develop them. They win….. they trade them away 😖

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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Yeah, we’ve watched two games all year together, and both were A’s games. I mentioned that she has a thing for Jacob Wilson last time we played the Angels and watched a game together.

She also has ALS – these moments are infrequent for us. I’m sure you can find a way to turn that into a personal dig as well.

At this point, I’m done with this needling. You’ve made interactions increasingly personal, and I don’t get it – your only contribution to this thread was a personal attack.

As a site editor, I have your email and name – it would be straightforward to ban you, but that’s a big hammer, so maybe we should just take this offline and you can tell me what your beef is, and why you’ve grown so personally antagonistic of late.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

2 days ago

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Not sure what the players splits are, but that stadium is a launching pad. Bloated stats for that whole team, same with the rays.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

Not really evidenced in the team splits for Sacto though.

The A’s have a .435 SLG with 88 HRs at home vs a .436 SLG with 111 HRs on the road. They hit a touch better in terms of batting average, but well within the norms of typical home vs road advantages.

Early in the season there were a lot of articles written that claimed Sutter was more hitter friendly than expected, but the stats have shifted given a full season’s data. Prior to this year, Sutter was known as a below-average to neutral hitting environment. (And conditions are quite variable depending on weather, wind and day/night contexts.)

The Tampa home vs away stats are indeed much more pronounced, with a clear home advantage in the batting data.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Yup. That pile of Kurtz, Longoleeerz, Sodapop guy are not hitting CHEAP home runs.

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RexFregosi

2 days ago

a huge issue that’s led to a lost decade is Arte and the Luxury Tax. we know his position on it – he won’t spend past it.

that worked much better twenty years ago when only one team or three went beyond it. But now more and more teams are exceeding it, four in 2020, eight in 2023, nine in 2024. So instead of being in Top 5 of spending, we are very mid. And that won’t work with all the other problems the organization has in being competitive.

we definitely won’t compete in 2026 unless Arte starts to spend again. Just a reminder too, labor trouble is coming after 2026 – no telling where that ends up.

The team improved by 12+ wins this year, more improvement by the kid core plus two new SP and another key position player (3+ total) – that’s what it takes for 2026

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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Dodgers, Mets, Phillies, Yankees Braves, Giants, Astros, Rangers and Cubs are above the tax line in 2024. 2025 official winners coming soon.

The Giants pooned it. The Braves are a mystery as far as how much they have sucked. But of all those teams only the Giants were not in “win now mode” and paying stars that they were keeping long term because they are ALREADY in post season contention and making money.

Toronto, Detroit, Houston, Yankees, Boston, Seattle, with the Rangers 1.5 games out are the AL contenders.

Brewers, Phillies, Doyboys, Cubs, Padres, Mets with the Reds and Giants in distant contention are your NL contenders.

I am not sure I see your point. I’m am almost certain that Arte spending over the Luxury Tax isn’t gonna get us to a point where we are like those other teams spending lots of money. I do know that we need the draft picks and prospect spending pool money we’d lose crossing the limit.

Crossing the tax line is something I’d expect Arte to do then I guess. Arte… El Ultimo CtPG Guy.

2026 baby!

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

Pretty sure we could have traded Ward, Jansen, and a few others and still had a run differential of negative 120+ at this time. But we would have added some lottery tickets.

I’m not saying Farris is the next Nolan Ryan but he was picked up for Davis Daniel. Klassen and Aldegheri were picked up for Esteves on an expiring contract. Zeferjahn is more useful than Luis Garcia and we even have Garcia back now.

It is just frustrating seeing the Angels blow trade deadline after trade deadline.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

We’re not committed to any rebuild so we will never rebuild.

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RexFregosi

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I’m just waiting for 2026 – the deadline strategy was as much about next year than this. if Arte spends and Perry gets the right pieces, we can contend, no doubt. those are two big ifs

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Not quite following the logic of how retaining players whose contracts are expiring this offseason (or even next) plays into what the team plans to do when Rendon’s contract is off the books in a year. Seems like they’ll just have more expensive holes to fill that they might have partially addressed more cheaply with trades.

You see a defensible strategy here by which the team is going to gain 15-20 wins in a year in order to contend. Can you describe how you see standing pat at the deadline was the correct course of action? (Because objectively, in wins and losses, it failed quite visibly.)

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RexFregosi

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

anyone who expired in 2025 certainly were expendable including Jansen

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

I agree with that, but I guess I don’t see how it supports your previous statement: “the deadline strategy was as much about next year than this”.

I don’t really buy Perry’s rationale for standing pat to begin with – I think he’s just dishonestly covering for inane ownership. But even if you buy it, getting nothing for Jansen, Anderson et al wouldn’t support it anyhow. Perry’s “better vibes for the kids” feint is just cuckoo.

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RexFregosi

2 days ago

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by not jettisoning the MLB talent under contract for next year (Ward and anyone else), there’s a chance at a 2026 run.

They didn’t do anything that would make the 2026 club worse, they didn’t blow it up for 2027 and beyond.

Any trade that would make us better in 2026 I’m absolutely for – ie. trading an OF for starting pitching.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Ward is the only realistic trade chip under contract for 2026.

Anderson, Jansen, Rengifo are all free agents after this season. The team will net absolutely nothing when they leave.

I doubt Anderson and Rengifo bring in a ton of value, but look at the return for Esteves and I think Jansen brings something similar.

Even the Luis Garcia trade brought back Zeferjahn, so a reliever for 2026 would be better than the nothing we got.

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steelgolf

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Adell has trade value, far more than Ward.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

Yes but it was highly unlikely he’d be traded at the deadline.

A 31 year old with thump and a year and a half of control left is much more likely to move.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Wards value will never be as high as it was on July,
31st. Missed opportunity to help bring the team back to relevance. Ward is not a good enough all around player to extend.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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Perry’s rationale for standing pat was “The fans are excited. My bosses have told me I can’t throw cold water on that. I better come up with some emo-spiritual excuse for not making the trades everyone with a brain knows I should be making today. That’s my job.”

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Angels2020Champs

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

In all honesty, I love cold plunges… and i’ll gladly take one from the angels v sitting in the same lukewarm shit of the past 15 years.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

And then he threw cold water on that via inertia, the obvious injuries and depth chart depletion that was to follow, and his rivals getting better (via trade and prospect accumulation) at the deadline.

Injuries and regression should be givens – the only question is where and when they’ll strike.

Agree with the fundamental point though that Perry’s primary job now is excuse-making.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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Sure. The team fell back to earth. But Arte KuhPino never had to let his GM come out with two months of the season left and declare “we are not gonna win this year and we need some prospects so I made some trades”. We got at least a couple week of excitement out of that before the Cubs showed up and punched our dicks in. It was totally worth it.

Plus, clearly, we are well on our way to winning next year.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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Of course we both know that there was an alternative PR strategy there that was both defensibly and generally marketable and broadly exciting to the fanbase:

“We love what we’re seeing from our young core, and want to do everything in our power to send them reinforcements, not just for this season, but for future seasons to come.” [Whenever we see a chance to improve we’ll take it, yadda yadda yadda.]

When a losing team stays future-focused, fans cut it a lot more slack.

Who loves the alternative of “I really like what we’re seeing from this sub-.500 team, and want to keep it right here for the next several months (and years). We’re satisfied with what we’ve got, and think we can compete with anyone (even teams who are actively improving themselves).” ?

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Not sure I agree on the Zeferjahn part (5.34 FIP, 1.45 WHIP, -0.6 WAR), but agree with all the rest.

Even if the package they got for Garcia was not all that, the fact that he’s already back on the team testifies to the fact that non-contending teams should always trade players on expiring contracts for whatever they can get.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

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I’d still take the chance a cost controlled guy with one wicked pitch becomes valuable than hang on to Luis Garcia for 2 months in a lost season.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Yup. Buy lottery tickets or hold onto…. nothing. It’s pretty much the only time the lottery makes sense.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I’m just an annoyingly data-driven sort. Fangraphs believes that Zeferjahn is tied with Kochanowicz as being the most value-destructive pitcher on the Angels this season.

I understand that, as Angels obsessives, wishcasting is often our only resort, but it may also be the case that “Zorro” is what he is, and may not have a long leash to be that much longer in the Angels bullpen.

So agree on the trading principle (retaining Garcia would have accomplished exactly nothing) – just not that we “won” much on that specific trade to date. It’s been negative value thus far.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

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The Angels got quantity in the Garcia trade but as time goes by, it’s evident that they did not get quality.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to FungoAle

That was my assessment of the trade the day it happened, but also expected very little in return, so it was worth the two months of hopeful excitement that Garcia would not have delivered at the tail end of a dreadful season.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

No Jeff. I have it on loud authority that we should have held onto Estevez too.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

“Generally bad endlessly is better than really bad temporarily! Fere Satis In Aeternum!”

-The Halo Way.

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Jim Atkins

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Quid Malmborg in Plano!

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steelgolf

2 days ago

Trade Adell in the offseason. Now is the time to maximize the haul you can get.

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RexFregosi

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

if im Perry and since my contract is up, if when Arte doesn’t give me additional dollars to sign FA pitching to make the club competitive in 2026, I’d trade Adell for as much pitching as he can get to make a run.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

What makes you think we are making a run in 2026? Seriously guys. Watch the play offs this year. Look at the bref pages of the teams that make the play offs. Look at the teams that just miss the play offs.

Explain how we are just “Arte needs to spend another 30M per year on arms and we’re RIGHT THERE” to me. Cause I don’t see it at all. Yes. Hurray. We beat the Doyers and Yankees in their moment of weakness. But if we play either of those teams 100 times a year we come away with 30 wins.

“You never know….” is a shit plan.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

At this point, other than Neto, who exactly is part of a winning rebuild?

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I can see an argument for extending Soriano and Schanuel simply to lock in cost and prevent future holes in the Angels roster. Same for Detmers if he’d take reliever money for 5 years.

There’s obviously risk in all of them, but if the Angels can look and say they have 4-5 guys locked in through 2030 that they expect to be anywhere from decent to good that allows the club to focus on other needs.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

They could be fine, they’re just not elite. It’s true we have so many other needs.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Exactly.

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Roy Hobbs

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

Not a popular opinion here but I absolutely agree. He only has 2 years of control left and his value might never be higher. If he turns out to be legit, you can bring him back in 2 years. I would trade Ward as well for the same reason. Only 1 year of control left and might be his best trade value after a great year.

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steelgolf

2 days ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Yep, trade anyone if value except Neto, and maybe listen to offers for him, if the return is good, pull the trigger. Otherwise we will all be here next year with the team in the exact same position of futility.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

Granted, if we tear it down to rebuild it, next year will likely be UNWATCHABLE. But at least we’d be doing something that can lead to being good.

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Roy Hobbs

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I’m not convinced that we would necessarily be awful. I actually think we might be able to field a team close to as good as this year that would be younger and cheaper. Maybe not but certainly more interesting. I think sometimes we over estimate the roster we have. Tanking, which isn’t nearly as advantageous as it used to be, and rebuilding are not necessarily the same thing. As you have stated, we’re going to be crappy next year with the same team anyway, so why not work to get better.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Yes. TANKING is not the same as targeting good prospects and trying to bounce back quickly… like the Braves did a few years back while we were still reloading again. And yes, a rebuild team may be watchable. The A’ss are actually what a rebuild team looks like. Not good yet, but have some real nice parts to grow on.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Wards trade value almost halved after the trade deadline. GMs and the analytics they use don’t care about great years. Arte and Fan do. The robots care that he’s old and will need money.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Stop giving away my off season Perry piece.

I want it to be a surprise.

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Roy Hobbs

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I’ll be quiet, my lips are sealed.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

I would like a New GM to trade Adell. I don’t trust Minasian to know what he’s doing. What exactly is his track record that inspires confidence? Maybe we could lure someone from the A’s who seem to be able to rebuild with no support from the ownership.

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steelgolf

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

The problem with The Angels, they do provide support in the form of making the final sign off call. I don’t trust the 3 Horseman of the Baseball Apocalypse, known as Carpino, Kuhl, and Moreno.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

Sure. I still want to get rid of Minasian, finding new outside voices on the field as well.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Why stick with the guy who has overseen the worst 4-5 year stretch of baseball
In Angel history

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

Seriously. Trade Adell, Neto, Nolan, Detmers, Soriano, Burke, Ward and Kikuchi/Trout if you have buyers. Does this team look more like a gun or a FEMA site? Do you reload this or rebuild it?

OR go the other route and extend a bunch of guys. Risky extensions. Extend Neto, Adell and Soriano. I would understand this too. Those players have value and may even increase their value. Get em while they aren’t demanding peak money. It also may start making the Angels look like a team with a plan, resources, and a few guys you can expect to play with if you come here as a free agent.

Just don’t continue adding oatmeal free agents, gaining zero prospects and watching the guys we do have get more expensive and less likely to stay here as 2026 turns to 2027.

Meaningful. reload. much competitive.

The A’s are about four successful pitchers, between the rotation and pen, away from being better than us by a pretty good margin. The best part of their position is that they don’t have to pay for power. They could just get a couple contact hitters and be flush offensively. If the move to Vegas actually works they may even be able to pay and keep some players.

Not fun for us. And we know that neither Arte or CtPG Guy have the stomach for the crazy ass moves that would shock our org into relevance. But we’ll always have those three weeks at the end July and early August 2025 to keep us warm in 2027. We can also eat some Ohtani and Young Trout flavored memberberries to go with 2002. Maybe whine about how Jim Fregosi is a Hall of Famer? Rad.

All of this would change if we just fire Mike Scioscia…. I mean Ron Washington….

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grichmanpoorman

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

Why TF would they do that when they wouldn’t even trade Ward this year?

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YOUknowulovetheIE

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

No way. The angels already have a surplus of pitchers that are unknowns, which would be what the angels get in return. An outfield of soler, ward, and Rada would be bad.

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steelgolf

2 days ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

I would DFA Soler.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

No need. He’s a sunk cost but he isn’t blocking anybody. Might as well keep him around and hope he hits some dingers.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Two DH onlys is a problem for roster construction as Trout is now filling the Pujols end of caree role. At least Pujols could somewhat play 1B, unlike Trout who has no position.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

The minute he’s somewhat healthy, he begins to block people, however, and lengthens the time fans endure the MLB’s worst defense.

This team plays expensive players if they’re even 75% healthy, regardless of impact.

He’s only not blocking folks because he’s unplayable at the moment.

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steelgolf

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Regardless of sunk cost, I would jettison that K machine and look for a high contact OBP machine. The swing for the fences solo home run strategy has not come close to working. In fact, the only difference between this team this year and last year’s team is they were extremely lucky this year with injuries compared to last year. If it’s a sunk cost, I’d rather bury the cost and have someone who can actually put the ball in play and get on base.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

Such a dumb trade. Perry thought he was pulling a fast one on his old boss.

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