What Might Perry Net At the Deadline?

With a week to go before the trade deadline, the over achieving Angels are still outside of the playoff picture and more likely to fall further back than make up ground. At this point, the smart thing to do is recognize the emerging core needs plenty of help. Sell, baby, sell, but for a purpose.

What could some trades look like for our Angels? I took a look at the trade board on the simulator and even contributed a few myself. Here are a few I’d probably do if I was Perry. I’d at least consider them.

Every “win now” team has a trade that hurts to make at the time and could come back to bite them down the road. For the Cubs, this is such a trade. One the one hand, they’d build a ridiculous outfield of Taylor Ward, Pete Crow Armstrong, and Kyle Tucker for 2025 with all but Tucker assured back next season. Moncada takes some pressure off Matt Shaw at third and becomes a versatile bench player at worst.

Owen Caissie is stud who is blocked by the above trio and Ian Happ in Chicago. He’s crushing AAA pitching to the tune of a .282/.383/.581 slash line across 77 games and is technically able to play all three outfield spots although he’s best in a corner. He’s an immediate Ward replacement with likely less power but improved defense and on base percentage. So likely a similar 2-3 WAR player but for a fraction of the cost.

Same duo shipped to Philly in a win now move for Dombrowski. Here I acquire a young, middle of the rotation starter in Mick Abel. He likely replaces Tyler Anderson in the rotation next year for minimum wage. At worst, he’s an improvement over Hendricks with the youth and club control of Kochanowicz. Tanner Banks is a solid bullpen arm that comes with another 3 years of control. Otto Kemp has a league average bat and has lined up at LF, 3B, and 1B at the MLB level. He’s a useful piece who can move around.

None of these guys have the ceiling of Owen Caissie, but getting 3 cost controlled MLB pieces frees up cash to spend on a stud elsewhere. Bringing in the left Banks should ease Detmers back to the rotation or out the door. Soriano, Detmers, Abel, is a nice start to a good rotation. And all are cost controlled.

This is a big boy trade here. Jo Adell seems to finally be blossoming into the player we dreamed he’d be. Or he could be hot for a couple of months. So this could really blow up in Perry’s face or turn into a great example of selling high. Time will tell. This trade is an over pay per the simulator but I think it is underestimating Jo’s upside.

Justin Crawford is a stud. One even Dave Dombrowski might hesitate trading. The son of Carl Crawford is emulating his father nicely with a .329/.413/.428 slash line and great speed. He’s 21 years old with 70 grade speed but no real in game power. That speed has led to 31 stolen bases, 18 doubles and 3 triples but he’s only popped 2 home runs in 77 AAA games. His speed makes up for some questionable routes defensively but with experience he could/should be a plus defender and baserunner.

Mick Abel is a cost controlled addition to the rotation, as mentioned above, and comes with 5 years of control. Crawford has 6. So this could be good value for 2.5 years of Adell.

Speaking of selling high, Reid Detmers has been dominant out of the bullpen for about 2 months now. He’s shown flashes of ability as a starter, but his career has been anything but consistent. He might still be a starter. He might be a shutdown bullpen guy. Or he might be having a couple of good months.

Mikey Romero is a local kid from Orange Lutheran who is in AA playing mostly shortstop and third base. He has a pretty well rounded offensive profile but has much higher rated power than hit tool.

James Tibbs was a first round pick out of Florida State last year thanks to his prolific bat. He’s lined up at both corner outfield spots and first base this year but his best position is in the batter’s box. Tibbs was sent to Boston in the Devers trade but is blocked for the foreseeable future at the MLB level.

Vaughn Grissom is your typical glove over bat utility infielder. He’s a toss in here and at most replaces Kevin Newman for minimum wage. Still, that saves $2.8 million to use on somebody useful.

With a farm system devoid of power, this adds to power bats.

It isn’t difficult to see the appeal and downside to each of these trades. But the fact of the matter is the Angels are extremely fortunate to be within sniffing distance of a Wild Card berth given the complete lack of depth in the organization. I’d take the Cubs deal in a heartbeat. Snagging Abel and some help also intrigues me. I’d rather do the Detmers deal than the Adell deal, but if Perry thinks he’s selling high on either player could add some significant talent.

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Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 day ago

If we have a chance to trade Adell while his value is high we should do it. I like the Ward, Detmers, and Jansen, trades as well. We could get a lot younger and better with some shrewd trading. I think we have an opportunity to really make a move forward for the future even if the guys we trade do well for other teams. I don’t see it happening but I would love to see it. I am not convinced that if we traded these players that it would greatly impact the team’s performance for the rest of the season.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Here’s another trade to keep the juices rolling. I gave us a little extra juice cause Jansen has some value I guess? But we get a good OF prospect, a guy to play OF next year, two infielders and a guy with a 70 grade fastball. But we have to give the Rays Detmers cause they aren’t stupid.

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Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 day ago

Josh Naylor to the D-Backs for a mid 3s AAA pitcher (Seattle’s 13th best prospect) and a mid 5s High A (Seattle’s 16th). We’re not likely to get much for Ward.

FungoAle
Legend
1 day ago

Naylor is on an expiring deal.A couple top 20’s what I was hoping for in trading Tyler Anderson. Ward will get more IF AM/PM play their cards right.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
1 day ago

Garcia is a nice fetch for two months of Naylor though.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Izzi’s not a bad toss in either….

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Some hope for the unrealistic. Naylor was a 4 on the Sim and the D Backs got back 8.2 in trade…. two 45 grade pitching prospects from the middle of a strong farm’s top 30. So obviously we’ll get good stuff for Anderson or Perry is an idiot right?

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
1 day ago

The Caissie trade at the top of this post is the one I’m been trying to pimp around here for the last week or so. But I do think there are creative versions of that where Ian Happ comes back as well – saving the Cubs money, but also netting the Angels two OFs for next season, which is what they really need.

But here’s another one I’ve been thinking of:

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Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Seems like a good buy/sell trade exchange that could benefit both clubs. Detmers and Keller are both signed through 2028, so Keller gives the Angels rotation certainty to go with Kikuchi and Soriano, while Detmers provides Pittsburgh salary relief and Ward makes it fairly cost neutral for 2026.

FungoAle
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Keller for Ward and Detmers? I think I would prefer Detmers.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Keller’s track record is pretty good – four straight seasons of mid-rotation performance, 30+ starts per year. About as reliable as any pitcher in baseball to eat innings and not shit the bed.

You’d prefer Detmers’ volatility over that? There’s no guarantee the Angels can reform him into a starter again, but the Pirates have a good history of doing just that.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 day ago

I never thought I’d say it but, we need to keep Adell. If he wasn’t rushed, this would only be his second or third year in the show? He’s starting to (At times) focus on contact and not Aaron Judge/Jose Cansecoish HR trajectories & distance.

I’d like to see that a Ward, Moncada & Jensen trade for Abel, Tanner & Crawford. LOL, a unicorn can also be thrown in….

Fansince1971
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Adell is a sell high for me personally. When they outlaw torpedo bats his career will be torpedoed.

Pineapple12
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Jo hasn’t used a torpedo bat in months.

“He’s not. He stopped using it a couple weeks ago.”

https://x.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1932266619905986816?t=7jT2HgGJj3zKRpobnJYl5Q&s=19

FungoAle
Legend
1 day ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I’d keep Adell for now. If a generous offer comes along, think about it but we still do not know what we have got with Jo.

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
1 day ago

At this point does it really matter what moves Perry makes next week? The majority wants to trade players for prospects, I agree with that approach. But man, the Moniaks, Feed Willys; top prospect flops are so abundant. Good example is how Dodgers at past trade deadlines have raped teams with superstars for highly touted prospects. Adrian Gonzales, Darvish, Machado, Max/Turner, for what prospects turning out: zero. Cross your fingers what we get aren’t a bunch of busts, more Thaiss and Adams type guys.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
2 days ago

one thing I’m keeping in mind is that Perry thinks differently than I do about players. He’s the one who had an all pitcher draft. He’s the one who selected Bremner, Shores, and Snead where I would have taken Kade, Lodise, and Turley. I’m sure you had something like that, too. Kade most likely, then two players you had your eyes on.

Well, Perry is still Perry so if he makes deals we can say we’d like players x and y but our GM is probably gonna fool us all and get Aldegheri types. Meanwhile I want us to beat Seattle and Texas because I hate those teams but if we *do* beat them then we’re in the scary buy mode. Our farm is not healthy and so we’d have to trade major leaguers. Eek!

Phil
Trusted Member
2 days ago

Fun stat of the day:

How’s this for being AVERAGE (from a post on Twitter/X):

Cleveland Indians:
50-50 record
26-26 – away
24-24 – home

since summer solstice: 13-13
since April 1: 48-48
since July 4th, 2024: 88-88

last 20 games: 10-10
30 games: 15-15
100 games: 50-50
150 games: 75-75
180 games: 90-90

Phil
Trusted Member
2 days ago

Angels have 7 games against 2 teams ahead of them for the last playoff spot.
The slim chance that we have to make the playoffs hinges on us winning 6 of the next 7 against SEA (4 games) and Tex (3 games).

And, there are 4 teams ahead of us for that last spot.
Until we are mathematically eliminated, there’s always a chance.

For today:
Logan Evans has not faced the Angels.
In this, his rookie season, he’s 3-3, 3.81 ERA with 40 Ks in 10 starts

Kikuchi has faced Mariners 4 times (as a Blue Jay and Astro), with 1-1 record, and an astounding 0.39 ERA (1 run in 23-1/3 innings)!
For the season, he’s 4-6, 3.13 ERA

Tonight is our best opportunity to beat the Mariners in this 4-game series.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
2 days ago

Ward imho is having a career year, trade while hot with team control. For a team that needs starters and wants payroll control, a package of Hendrick and Anderson with Jensen would be somewhat attractive. While missing on Rengifo’s career years year(s) he may still be an asset to a PO team needing depth as his value is low.

SMH, I still like holding on to Detmers but putting him with Soler may only be to lower payroll. Soler was such an unnecessary acquisition as he fit no need at all.

It’s true that what we got to move is a little less than bottom of the barrel, a collection of misfits actually, but they need moving out no matter the return to clean house and start again.

milehigh
Member
2 days ago

I don’t see Hendricks or Anderson as having any value. I think Gitch shows that below. It was hoped that Soler would provide decent power but that hasn’t worked as hoped. But I appreciate the idea. If you want to make a dramatic change you have to give up someone good.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

What would it look like if we found one trade partner with a good farm and dumped all of our guys with actual value onto their roster? Plus adding a guy with a fair amount of value that hurts us a bit? This trade won’t happen, but to give us a rough idea, we do the trade below and pick up a couple 50 grade guys in the OF (Cassie/Alcantara), an 18 year old guy who could be a bust or Elie De La Cruz (Tomas), a guy who is “gritty” and has some tools but isn’t overly talented but likely to strengthen a roster soon (in Cowles), a mid rotation pitching prospect (Birdsell) and another high octane young position prospect (Hernandez)

Other than Bremner and maybe Moore most of these guys will out rank any of our current prospects. So it hurts, but out of all these guys we probably fill three roster spots in the years to come and, with Adell still in the fold, may have our OF for the future with Rada a 4th.

https://ca.pinterest.com/pin/599260294205221184/

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Just in case anyone wants to know the total value of the guys we’ve said we’d be willing to trade…. this gets really sad really fast without Ward and without a bunch of hemming and hawing about the secret rainbow value that Jansen or Anderson has. Not on this list cause the site has a limit:

Newman’s value is -1.1
Hendricks value is + 2.1

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Fansince1971
Legend
2 days ago

This is very useful and I think paints a reality that may mean that the big giant gleaming trades which will fill the Angels’ pipeline are not a reality. Maybe staying pat is the most realistic approach. Just dont be buyers (and sacrifice the future) and I can live with it.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Just a note, for all the “just keep Ward and trade him next year maybe” guys. Ward’s value, when he was in a horrible slump at the beginning of the year, was over 17. Him just playing longer and leaking team control time has cost him 7 points of value, even with his explosive production.

What does that tell you about Ward next year even if he is on a pace for 40HR again?

FungoAle
Legend
2 days ago

Not a trade sim guy at all but as we know, Anderson’s trade value was peaked last July, Perry failed to get a deal done and we knew regression would set it. I think he stays as the froth has worn off.

Fansince1971
Legend
2 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The team that would likely trade for Anderson is the one that is in playoff contention and has a shaky 5th starter. That is about his value point. No one is gonna give up very much for that.

FungoAle
Legend
2 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

A shaky 5th or a latent injury where a top contender needs to lower their risk profile, agree. Potential suitors might believe a better defense could help elevate results. I’d take a couple of lower aged prospects in rookie or A-ball who are in the top 20. But I think the Angels will just keep him. Move Detmers instead.

Last edited 2 days ago by FungoAle
FungoAle
Legend
2 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Copy on Anderson, he has not been unacceptable. Far improvement from year 1 of the contract.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Man. That Red Sox trade for Detmers is kinda tempting. Tibbs3 is potentially a better hitter than Ward and he has the same “stick him in LF and live with it” defense. I actually like Romero a lot even if he has the risk of being a guy who hits .220 with 25 HR at 2nd. He was a contact hitter before he started lifting weights, if he gets a little more of that back he could be really attractive. Grissom is fairly young, and hurt now. But he’s another guy…. he’s talented, more so than Newman, and could sneak into being Rengifo.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
2 days ago

You guys are high. Tibbs is batting .210 in AA after batting .240 in single A. How to put this diplomatically? He sucks.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
2 days ago

I’m just hoping, like the rest of us have known for months, that Arte figures out we are sellers before the trade deadline this year.

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