LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: – Crashing the Pearly Gates

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Phil

10 hours ago

For today:

Eovaldi has face Angels 14 times, with 5-3 record, 3.47 ERA, and 67Ks
For the season, he’s 5-3, with a whopping low 1.75 ERA

Soriano has faced Rangers 4 times:
His 2 relief appearances (2023) = 0.00 ERA
He’s had 2 starts (2024-current), 1-1 record, 2.35 ERA
For 2025, he’s 6-5, with 3.72 ERA

Yesterday, Angels did a great job (intentionally, or unintentionally) in getting deGrom’s pitch count way up – 95 pitches in 5 innings, and got him out of there before the 6th began.

Can the Angels do the same today with Eovaldi (i.e. get that pitch count up, get him out of the game quick)?

Also, I’ve been picking on Trout quite a bit; but, he had a decent game yesterday: 1-2, 1 walk, 1 RBI.
His WAR is slowly – at a turtle’s pace – rising, now at 0.6
Before his injury, I think he had a (-) 0.1

Go Angels!!!!

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Pineapple12

12 hours ago

Moncada is back. Stevens optioned down to AAA.

Aldegheri called up. Mederos sent down.

LINEUP

Neto SS
Schanuel 1B
Trout DH
Ward LF
Adell CF
Moncada 3B
O’Hoppe C
Wade RF
Rengifo 3B

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

12 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I am so angry at this line up. Stupid Perry. Moron Montgomery. Arte. Fire Wash and all the coaches. My veins stick out. My eyes roll. I am smart.

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Pineapple12

11 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

and Texas made sure to line up Eovaldi just so he can mow down this awful lineup. Damn you, Bochy!

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Cowboy26

10 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I am to. WTF is Taylor Burt Ward still residing in the 4 hole.

Move that doofus down in the lineup. Move Moncada and Adell up.

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Jeff Joiner

11 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Looks nice.

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tanana40

11 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Good news about Moncada.

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Phil

10 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Yay, Moncada’s back!

Boo, O’Hoppe’s in the line-up. Put D’Arnaud back in!!

At least automatic-out Newman’s not in the lineup.

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Angelz4ever

12 hours ago

My two cents: I hope the Halos take an offensive player with the #2 pick.

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Jeff Joiner

11 hours ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

I predict we take Arquette. He simply fits the Neto, Schanuel, Moore pattern so perfectly.

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tanana40

11 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

That is what I predict also but Turk’s Teeth says that Arquette has moved down on the draft board.

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Jeff Joiner

10 hours ago

Reply to tanana40

He has on many of the mocks I’ve seen. But there’s also no consensus top 2 or 3 this year so who knows?

All I know is Perry has picked 3 college infielders in a row and that if Arquette has dropped, he might be signed under slot.

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Turk's Teeth

9 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

My question for those who think it’s Arquette…

Who do you think makes it to the MLB and has an impact first, Holliday or Arquette?

It seems an obvious answer on its face, but is it?

Jackson Holliday made the Orioles club at age 20, less than two years after drafting. Whereas a polished bat like Matt Shaw, perhaps comparable to Arquette in talent, was promoted on the same schedule, arriving just under two years after drafting.

Jackson is outplaying Shaw, while being two years younger.

Could Ethan actually be a “quick mover”, on the club within 2-3 years of acquisition?

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Jeff Joiner

13 hours ago

And some pretty cool insight on all 30 clubs heading up to the draft.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45677790/2025-mlb-draft-guide-one-big-question-intel-nationals-angels-mariners

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Jeff Joiner

13 hours ago

The Athletic has Anderson going 1 overall and the Angels getting Doyle.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6478448/2025/07/08/mlb-mock-draft-2025-kade-anderson-nationals-lsu/

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Roy Hobbs

13 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Taking Doyle would be predicable and a huge mistake. He’s not even top 5 anymore.

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Eric_in_Portland

12 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

A lot of articles are out of date. The other day I read a *recent* piece that suggested the angels might take Jace Laviolette at #2 and Aiva Arquette at #47.

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Cowboy26

10 hours ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

Was that article from December 2024?

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Turk's Teeth

9 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

As with all the recent mocks putting Anderson with the Nats, the author makes very clear that it’s a guess. In fact Law begins his article saying “not only do we still not know who’s going first, that pick is even more uncertain than it was before, thanks to the changes in Washington’s front office.” He thinks 6-7 names are still in play, as do the Baseball America guys.

Whereas most folks think the Angels will take one of the three college lefties. Law says it’s probably Anderson or Doyle.

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GrandpaBaseball

9 hours ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

There’s that same name again, Doyle. Well, I kept my fingers crossed that PTP can come to grips with taking Holiday or Hernandez or Anderson. Holiday is the one kid who has the most upside I believe for the team’s future. But Minasian will see his college kids keep getting older and the team not much better than .500.

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MarineLayer

14 hours ago

If we have Kenley, we don’t need him as a closer. If Kenley’s not around, I have no problem developing into the next Josh Hader.

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Pineapple12

17 hours ago

Happy Birthday to Reid Detmers!

A question to ponder — do we move Reid back to the rotation next year or make him our future closer?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I’d like him to be a starter. Sort of the CJ Wilson route to starting I guess.

If he’s the best closer in baseball for four years can I still be Angry that we drafted and developed him? That’s the most important thing. Still. Arte.

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FungoAle

14 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Reid was mishandled in 2024, happy to see he is overcoming obstacles to get back to relevance. Needs to get back to 2022/2023 and more reliant on his hard sliders. Hoping he is not listening to too many internal noises.

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milehigh

17 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Just me, but I’d stretch him out in off season training and try him starting till ST is over decide then. I’m sure there are better ideas though.

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RexFregosi

16 hours ago

Reply to milehigh

Yes, let’s decide later. He’s fine where’s he’s at, as well as BTO.

trade Jansen, draft pitching.

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GrandpaBaseball

9 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Bachman Turner Overdrive, kool.

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FungoAle

15 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Rotation, ez call. Perry has drafted enough bullpen candidates to take his place.

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Phil

12 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

If we are pretty much out of contention by end of August – let Detmers get back in the starting rotation (if he wants) and see how he does.
I wouldn’t want to see Detmers be a starter next year, if he’s not trying it out again in August / September of this year.
At the beginning of each season, all teams have a chance to make the playoffs. But, we need everyone performing well, and not experimenting at different positions.
Don’t waste April/May/June 2026 with trying this (Detmers as starter), or trying that (O’Hoppe at a different position) – the time to do it will be once it’s pretty clear we won’t make the playoffs this year.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

12 hours ago

Reply to Phil

It’s very likely that Detmers can’t really start now. He can pitch first, but it’s mid-July. I don’t think he can go 5 at this point.

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Phil

10 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

What about having:

Detmers go 2 innings for rest of July during each outing
In August, expand that to 2-4 innings
In September, go 5+ innings

Would something like this do damage to his arm? This is assuming Detmers agrees to this change.

I just don’t want to see Angels experiment at the start of 2026 season. We can’t be giving away games here and there at the start of the season.

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Jeff Joiner

18 hours ago

If you want hopium:

Soler is a streaky player and that double he roped off DeGrom last night looked like the beginning of a good streak.

Moncada will be back soon.

Rengifo looks better in the field and more relaxed in the batters box when he plays second base

It isn’t too difficult to see a decent 1 through 9 on the field soon, with the wild card Moore still on the mend.

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PedroCerrano

18 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

There were a few guys that looked more hitterish. Soler, Trout and Rengifo all had better ABs throughout the game. It was really nice to see Trout make pitch to pitch adjustments against a really good pitcher. I was really pleased that it didn’t go into extra innings.

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JackFrost

18 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

The problem with the Heefo thing is that Moore should be back fairly soon, which means he goes back to 3B, OR becomes utility guy with the insertion of Moncada into the lineup…

But it is a good problem to have. He could become a valuable late inning pinch-hitter with the switch hitting option.

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Jeff Joiner

17 hours ago

Reply to JackFrost

Moore’s K rate was north of 30%. If Perry is going to keep the team together, have him go to AAA and keep Rengifo at second base.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Yup. Moore was a fill in guy. He’s not ready yet.

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Roy Hobbs

16 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I agree but Rengifo has been so bad this year that CMo has actually out hit him in the aggregate. He has a lower BA but higher OPS albeit in a much smaller sample. CMo has not been very good but Rengifo has been awful. There is however a much higher likelihood that Rengifo would out perform CMo for the remainder of this season. But since I don’t really care about winning this year, I would much rather watch Moore than Rengifo who will be gone after this year anyway.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

15 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Moore’s career is pretty young. Not sure he’s at a point, like adell last year, where it’s of value to just let him get his brains beat in till he gets his hands up. He can still do valuable work in SLC. He’s already learned how to get et by MLB pitchers and I’m not sure he’s in a position to learn anything else on the 25 man right now.

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MarineLayer

14 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I agree. Sending him for more seasoning if or until Rengifo gets traded makes the most sense to me. I do not want him playing defense at SS or 3B.

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JackFrost

17 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Hmmm. So you are saying that you’d rather have Rengifo at 2B than Moore?

I know most folks here are in the “play the yuts” camp. For me it is not just about getting CMo experience (though that is part of it), but he has shown that he can win games for us, BOTH with his bat and his defense. That is something Rengifo does not do…

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RexFregosi

16 hours ago

Reply to JackFrost

I’m not sending CMo down. He’s here for good and is figuring it out fast.

The best place for his development in Aug&Sept is Anaheim, not scrub city.

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GrandpaBaseball

9 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Confidence Boost; SLC, kicks ass, promoted, relaxes, fielding & hitting improve. Keeping him up; K-rate goes higher, lack of confidence, can’t adjust to big league pitching, everything a blur.

Needs to make contact more, even if it’s outs.

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Cowboy26

15 hours ago

Reply to JackFrost

Moore’s defense is already major league caliber despite the recent Ouchie. If we use Jo Adell as a comp he seems way Moore advanced than Adell at this juncture of his development (Thank You Tennessee) so as long as he is healthy (Yutes heal pretty quickly) and he can play pretty much every day I have no problems with him staying with the Big Club.

I’m curious which of the 18 major League games has he played in to date has he hurt our chances to win? It seems like there are other players on this roster who have probably contributed less to our success than C Mo has in his short time with us.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

15 hours ago

Reply to Cowboy26

I dunno. He looks pretty overmatched by middling relief pitchers right now.

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RexFregosi

12 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

well, other times he hasn’t looked over matched at all

in Yankee Stadium
when he won a game by himself against Boston
bench clearing brawls

maybe Chad’s mom thinks it’d be good of CMo to be sent down, but let him play and learn here and get two months more experience.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

12 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Yup. He’s managed to tie his shoes every day and get a couple hits. But how desperate to be right are you? 30% K rate. BA lower than .200. I can count more times he struck out looking like a confused child than you can list “clutch hits”.

He’ a solid prospect. You can see that he can be really good when he shows glimpses of that. But why are guys like you so desperate to make people think he’s ready to go RIGHT NOW or will get there if we just keep feeding him to MLB pitchers?

I’m not kidding. I don’t get it. Is it because you’re weirdly trying to be competitive in a non-compete year and you hate Newman/Rengifo that much? Cause the “it’s a lost season let him get his time in” thing doesn’t really apply to a guy with almost zero time in the MiLB who is showing almost zero ability against MLB pitching…. it’s not a “go with the kids” move just because he’s a recent draftee.

Guys like Neto and Schanuel were KILLING the MiLB when they were called up fast. Moore had an almost 30% K rate in the minors. It’s good he’s seen what’s waiting for him on the big stage. Now let’s see if he can get his whiffs down to under 25% against AA pitchers….

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RexFregosi

11 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I just think he’s ready enough. Let him learn here. You won’t kill his confidence. Not him. Let him play his way off the roster.

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Cowboy26

16 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Moore wont be back until the end of July and then probably do a short rehab. In the interim Rengiblow we’ll get traded to the Yankees at the deadline so we can activate Moore the morning of August 1st

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Jeff Joiner

15 hours ago

Reply to Cowboy26

I’m great with that.

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RexFregosi

16 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

GIFFY BELONGS IN NY BRONX!

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RexFregosi

16 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Should’ve been done last year but Cashman didn’t figure it out and Geef hurt the wrist.
So they Jazzed and they figured out finally that he cannot play 3b. So they still need the Geef.

Trade him – he will shave the beard and be a great Yankee.

and we will get a backup for Mershon in return.

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milehigh

15 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Cabrera is playing better defense and hitting better than Rengifo.
I also am not sure if Rengifo can take that environment.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

15 hours ago

Reply to milehigh

If anyone is Golden Retriever dumb enough to just let the Bronx roll past him it’s Rengifo.

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milehigh

15 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Time to fire up the trade simulators. Who does NYY have that would be worth trading for? I don’t know what Giffy’s trade value is.
Seems like NYY doesn’t really have anyone in their farm that would be of value to us.
Where would Rengifo play in the Bronx?

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RexFregosi

15 hours ago

Reply to milehigh

They could use him as we do, but primarily 3b. His value isn’t much this year, plus he’s a FA in a few months. Cabrera is out the rest of year. I watch them more than most other teams and see Heef as a puzzle piece that fits them.

my last thought about NYY is this:
TODAY would be a great day for them and Judge to go a bender and start a win streak!

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

15 hours ago

Reply to milehigh

He hasssss…. no trade value at all last I checked. Negative. So it was hard to sim a trade.

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Angelz4ever

12 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

The boo-birds will love Neeeeeeeeeefo.

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milehigh

13 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Let’s say Rengifo is not traded this year. Do the Angels resign him in the off season (I don’t know if the team has an option on him) at $6m/y ?

If there is no thought to keep Rengifo then seems like Moore might as well strike out against MLB pitching ? Moore’s ego doesn’t seem to fragile to fail for a while.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

12 hours ago

Reply to milehigh

He’s got to learn to make contact somewhere. I doubt it happens in the MLB. They aren’t even targeting a scouted weakness against him yet. They just pitch and he swings and misses. After enough pitchers get a good look at him and he’s hitting .088 that’s when the soul crushing starts.

And bad habits form. Why encourage that?

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Phil

12 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I prefer to see Moore in the majors – let him have at-bats the rest of the year and see how he does.
Now, if the odds were good that we’d make the playoffs, then, yes, send Moore back to minors. But, I don’t believe the odds are good.

We’ve already seen what Rengifo can do.

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Pineapple12

18 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

— Moncada = very soon. Potentially back for the DBacks series.
— Taylor = after the ASB?
— CMo = 8/1, maybe?
— Stephenson = early August?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

You are totally forgetting we have Brandon Drury now too. Coming soon to a batters box near you.

Actually, signing him makes me wonder if they have decided to sell at the deadline and collect warm bodies to play the last two months.

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PedroCerrano

17 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

He could be a post trade replacement for Rengifo. It brings to mind an old Dennis Miller paraphrased quote regarding Germany’s reunification:

“I look at that like a Bee Gees reunion. I’m not a big fan of their past work and I’m not looking forward to the sequel.”

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Jeff Joiner

17 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I had the same thought. Remember, Drury was playing well in Spring Training until he got hurt right at the end.

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toad2065

16 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Who is this Stephenson person of whom you speak?

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Roy Hobbs

16 hours ago

Reply to toad2065

He will finally be healthy and effective after his Halo contract is up.

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Jeff Joiner

19 hours ago

That makes 4 one run games in a row. Angels record in one run games is now 16-11 per Google. This has to be great for the kids development.

Credit Perry for assembling a solid bullpen on the fly.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Yup. As you know from boxing, etc, “Almost There” is actually an accomplishment. There is a huge difference between “almost there” and not almost there. The Young Serifs are all getting better (though Jo n Nolan are cold right now) and they are seeing that, in comparison to last years team, it means a lot more tight games and tense at bats and IPs.

They can see the slight differences in when they pull out a win and they don’t. The FO can actually see where upgrades will help instead of just needing them everywhere.

It’s a nice step forward. Kind of reminds me, actually, of the Royals and Tigers when they got good, or the Reds now, accept we have money, which is nice.

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toad2065

16 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

First you sharpen your game and improve your skills. Then you find yourself playing in competitive games consistently. Finally you learn how to win those close games. I love it when a plan comes together. And that ain’t hopium talking! Well, maybe just a little bit.

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Roy Hobbs

16 hours ago

Reply to toad2065

My concern is that we are primarily playing in a lot of close competitive games because of unusually good fortune with our pitching staff. Just a few injuries and we would be 10 games under .500. We have predominately had things go our way with a number of players having career years as well. Next year, we could be in for a big regression without significant improvements.

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Jeff Joiner

16 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

While those are valid concerns and the lack of rotation depth likely sinks us down the stretch, they don’t change the fact that Neto, Adell, Schanuel, Detmers, and Bachman are getting experience in close games and those are the guys we are dreaming on for our next good team.

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Roy Hobbs

13 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

That is very true.

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Jeff Joiner

16 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Exactly. You go from getting blown out to hanging closer to being competitive.

Some close losses are really the best thing for you. Lets you know what you really need to work on. They are also great motivation to improve.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

14 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I am about 92% certain there are at least a couple guys in the clubhouse thinking “man, I need to learn how to at least get a bunt on the ground” right now.

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BannedInLA

19 hours ago

Kikuchi was our best/most logical choice to represent the Angels at the AS Game.

Even when he’s a bit off, he’s competitive.

Excellent FA pickup. Similar to Tyler Anderson but, better in terms of ROI.

I believe Soriano is going tonight so I like our chances….

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JackFrost

19 hours ago

Reply to BannedInLA

Be careful here Banned…. don’t jinx it…. It is those times where we think or expect that we are gonna win that we get let down and lose. Better to be appropriately sceptical and illicit the reverse jinx instead…

People here half to learn this…

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Pineapple12

18 hours ago

Reply to BannedInLA

Soriano vs Eovaldi is box office. Can’t wait for this one!

TA, Kikuchi, Hendricks have all been successful signings.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Soriano is another “almost there” guy. If he gets to the point where he has fewer “let down” starts next year he’s gonna be pretty ace. He’s just got to avoid those innings where he unravels and gives up multiple hits and walks. Kind of like young John Lackey…. every now and then it’s like he forgets how to do what he does. Loses control when things break bad for him. He doesn’t fight through days where his stuff is off very well yet either.

Good new. Fewest HR allowed per 9 innings.

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Jeff Joiner

16 hours ago

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Completely off topic: I’m cornering a kid at the Muay Thai card in Long Beach on the 19th. Tickets are only $60 and there will be a ton of fights.

If you are interested, hit me up. I have a little crew going and it should be a fun night.

My guy is 6 ft. 6 about 255. He’s fighting another huge dude. Defense is neither man’s specialty so it should be entertaining.

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BannedInLA

9 hours ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I would definitely be interested but, i’ll be in the Dominican Republic from the 15th thru 21st.

Thanks tor the invite. Have Fun !!!!

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Jeff Joiner

6 hours ago

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Nice. Enjoy.

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GrandpaBaseball

19 hours ago

Note to Perry Minasian; Please open your acceptance of the value of having the MLB Draft’s second pick. Doyle is not the pick that the team needs, too many other better options and saving money for additional picks that are not top 4 rated is just not good timing as you will not see this pick fall in your lap again. If you blow this pick your career as a GM will be over, not just here but anywhere else. See Eppler’s career line. We don’t always need College players either.

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Pineapple12

19 hours ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

What if Perry is convinced that Doyle can become Crochet-like?

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red floyd

19 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Because he believes he can knit it all together?

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TrojanBoiler

16 hours ago

Reply to red floyd

Perry is just yarning for more players with his level of talent.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I don’t want Doyle at all. Which means he will almost certainly be the guy he gets compared to a lot, Brian Woo. Or even Bob Gibson. I dislike the idea of picking him so much he is almost sure to be in the HOF.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Note from Perry Minasian;

“Calm down everyone. I haven’t drafted anyone at all yet. Save your outrage for when I do. Or at least wait for me to come out and say something that amounts to “I’m drafting Doyle”. Namaste.”

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GrandpaBaseball

8 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Can help myself, sorry about dat.

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GrandpaBaseball

20 hours ago

I still believe that Schanny will be an All-Star next year. He now has 2 Walk Off appearances this season and time to get more. Neto is losing focus and concentration while out in the field, his mistakes in the field are lapses in thinking ahead and wanting the ball hit to him, and he will fix these lapses and return to being the player we know he can be. He also needs to push his base stealing technique; 7 CS is not acceptable, but he is young and still adjusting his game.

O’Hoppe needs coaching help with his overall game, I would like to suggest Kurt Suzuki be brought in if he is available. O’Hoppe can also learn to add LF, DH, 1b to his resume to give him a break while allowing a little more PT for Travis.

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Cowboy26

19 hours ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

The problem with Neto’s caught stealing is he is still adjusting to feet first slide technique he has now adopted to avoid injuries. You saw last night he almost came off the bag sliding into second during his leadoff double.

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Roy Hobbs

19 hours ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Didn’t he have a slip and slide when he was growing up so that he could learn to slide like the rest of us.

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Charles Sutton

16 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6_CtlO2Mg

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milehigh

15 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Did anyone slide feet first on their slip and slide? I didn’t.

Okay that was a self own.

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Roy Hobbs

13 hours ago

Reply to milehigh

You have a point!

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HaloLew

18 hours ago

Reply to Cowboy26

He needs to go to the Trea Turner School of Sliding this offseason

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to HaloLew

We all need to go to the Trea Turner School of Sliding. That dude is graceful.

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Roy Hobbs

19 hours ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

I know he’s a favorite of many here but Nolan Schanuel is currently on pace for slightly less than 2 WAR and his current slash line is .261/.354/.391/.745 for a 109 OPS+. Nothing about that points toward him being a future Allstar. His outstanding plate discipline has yet to translate into tangible production. He is currently a little better than average hitter with a sub .400 SLG % as a 1B who is mediocre defensively and also not a great baserunner. He seems like a real nice kid so he is easy to like and he is still only 23 so there is certainly room to grow. He will likely improve over the next few years but going from what he is to a 5-6 WAR player, which is the definition of an Allstar, is all hope at this point and not very likely. If it happens, I’ll be more than happy to remind everyone that you said it first.

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Cowboy26

18 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

But hes really good at over the shoulder pop up catches

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Roy Hobbs

18 hours ago

Reply to Cowboy26

That is a true statement. He is very good at that.

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RexFregosi

18 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

NRS has less than 1000 ABs and is only 23.

A 6 WAR season may be out of reach but can see about 4-5 seasons of 4-5 WAR in him.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Vladdy Jr had 5.2 WAR last year with the season he had…. so yeah, 6 WAR is gonna be a tough get at 1B.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

17 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

His current war is higher than the war pooholes accumulated his whole angel career.

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Roy Hobbs

16 hours ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

Not sure what you’re talking about, Albert had over 13 WAR for his LAA career. I was not a fan of the signing because he was 32 on paper when they signed him to a 10 year contract and probably really 35. However, he basically played 150+ games a year through his on paper age 37 season which is remarkable. It’s very possible that signing Albert was a very lucrative move for Arte regardless of what he did on the field, which unfortunately is what we as fans actually care about.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

15 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Whoops.. I meant his last 5 years as an angel

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Roy Hobbs

13 hours ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

Then you are correct by .5 WAR 🙂

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Schanny is a guy I still want to watch all year. He is building still. Was hot, now he’s been adjusted to a little. We’ll see if he starts hitting again. If he has an .800+ OPS at the end of the year I’m a happy boy. Hits .275 with 15 HR, something like that.

He can always get better too. And by the way, only three 1B in the MLB had even 4 WAR last year.

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Roy Hobbs

17 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I don’t disagree. It’s a slice in time. We’ll see where he is after the next 3 months, same for Jo, Zach and Logan. The HRs are easily attainable but he would have to hit .290 with an .850 OPS for the next 3 months to finish with those rate numbers.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

14 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Yup. We need a Hot Flash.

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milehigh

15 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Wouldn’t be a day ending in y without at least some small complaint about Schanny. I believe his plate discipline has led to two walks that have won games so I’ll count that as some tangible production. Not to mention other game winning hits. He is absolutely the guy I wanted to see at the plate last night even down 0-2.

If I’m FO and building the team I’ll use this Q&A.
Do we need a 1B more than RF?
Do we need a 1B more than 3B?
Do we need a 1B more than LF?
Do we need a 1B more than a #3 starter?
For me the answer to all these questions is no. Now if some other 1B came along and slugged .550 or more and maybe a 120 OPS+, then yeah I would probably sign that guy and trade Schanny. But that isn’t what is needed now and imho, not where we should be looking to improve for the next couple of years. Eventually we will need to look for someone else. I think Schanny’s ceiling is about 3.5 WAR.

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Roy Hobbs

13 hours ago

Reply to milehigh

I agree with you. I was simply saying that there is little evidence at this point that he is a future AllStar. It’s just an opinion based on what he’s so far accomplished. He’s the least of our problems right now and he’s cheap.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

12 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

I don’t think he’s ever gonna have the HR numbers to be an All Star at 1B. Unless he starts hitting like .350 or something.

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Born_in_59

15 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Looking at American League first basemen that have played 500 or more innings this season, Nolan ranks in the lower half.
Name/Age/WAR
Guerrero 26 2.9
Aranda 27 2.8
Goldschmidt 37 1.6
Pasquantino 27 1.4
Santana 39 1.4
Torkelson 25 1.4
Schanuel 23 1.0
France 30 0.3
Burger 29 0.1
Walker 34 -0.6
But there are only two performing at a 5 WAR or better level and Nolan is younger than everyone else on the list. I don’t think he’ll have a 5 WAR season, but a first basemen that can consistently produce 3 WAR for the next 5 or 6 years would make a very valuable player.

Last edited 15 hours ago by Born_in_59

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RexFregosi

14 hours ago

Reply to Born_in_59

Konetchy – that’s who baseball reference says is most similar and I’ll take his career for Nolie.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/koneted01.shtml

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Roy Hobbs

13 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

I looked it up too but would not want Nolan as my 1B if that was his career.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

12 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

He and Konetchy run about the same now! BOOM BAP ZING!

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Roy Hobbs

13 hours ago

Reply to Born_in_59

I agree but that is not an AllStar.

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BannedInLA

9 hours ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

I was watching ‘Money Ball’ last night and was thinking that Nolan puts up Scott Hatteburg esque numbers.

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HaloLew

18 hours ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

I don’t recall Neto having as many mental lapses on defense last year. O’Hoppe…ooff. He’s been nearly an automatic out for the past few weeks, and his defense has regressed in my eyes. Schanny is Schanny. High contact rate, but too much of a Mr. Soft Contact for a 1st baseman. Will the real Jo Adell please stand up? This is the Perry core moving forward, but are they enough to build around and get the team to the next level?

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YOUknowulovetheIE

16 hours ago

Reply to HaloLew

Neto’s shoulder issues don’t help

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toad2065

16 hours ago

Reply to HaloLew

Jo is still hitting the ball hard. He’ll be fine.

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toad2065

16 hours ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Neto is missing his sensei Wash.

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Angelz4ever

20 hours ago

Brandon Drury back in the fold.

Good morning Halo faithful.

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CAoldskoll

19 hours ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

Stud in 23, total Dud in 24. Nobody wanted him, no reason for Angels to play that wash-up.

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red floyd

19 hours ago

Reply to CAoldskoll

But he brings muffins every morning!

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Angelz4ever

18 hours ago

Reply to red floyd

…still looks good in uniform.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago

Reply to CAoldskoll

Last year was so weird with him. I knew him from the Reds. A really steady guy. But last year, from day one, he looked like someone killed his dog and ate his kids or something. Looked really depressed almost… at least to me. Never looked locked in at the plate at all.

Worth some August playing time as a fill in….

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Roy Hobbs

16 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

It’s funny, he’s someone I like even when he’s not doing well. He’s a savvy player and seems like a good teammate.

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TrojanBoiler

16 hours ago

Reply to CAoldskoll

Even more studly in 2022 than in 2023.

He battled injuries all year last year, and played lights out in pre-season this year until getting hurt again.

He reminds me of Moncada – very capable when healthy. I am not ready to call him washed up at 32 years old when 2 of his last 3 seasons were well above average.

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RexFregosi

17 hours ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

I thought we’d see a lot more JD Davis than guys like Stevens. And now Drury?

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Angelz4ever

12 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Me too-Davis was a former Halos Killer.

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GrandpaBaseball

20 hours ago

What a great walk off win last night. Announcing “GAME” in the early innings is ignorant and stupid and negative thinking. It is more fun to wait for the comeback and seeing and feeling it being accomplished, like last night. imho.

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Cowboy26

19 hours ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Actually it’s “Ball Game”G Pa. It’s a half joking attempt is to be the first eeyore prognosticator. But maybe there should be a penalty if you are wrong?. My penalty is enjoying an Angel comeback victory so I’ll pay that price every day. However, I’m not sure I would agree that this “ignorant and stupid and negative thinking.” is worse than the usual “ignorant and stupid and negative thinking” espoused on this site on a daily basis.

But Apparently you’ve never heard of TrAdition?

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JackFrost

19 hours ago

Reply to Cowboy26

“My penalty is enjoying an Angel comeback victory so I’ll pay that price every day.”

Couldn’t have said it better myself Cowboy…

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

17 hours ago