LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Questions

Are these the top five questions for the Angels before the All Star Break? Can you think of any others?

Yay! Giancarlo Stanton is back in time for the Angels series.

Apparently baseball executives are stunned by the Rafael Devers trade.

Right-hander Jake Cousins will undergo Tommy John surgery. The Yankees designated infielder/outfielder Pablo Reyes for assignment. Lance McCullers Jr. is back on the injured list. This time is a foot sprain.

The Pirates designated catcher Brett Sullivan for assignment. The Nationals designated first baseman Juan Yepes for assignment. The Tigers claimed right-hander Carlos Hernandez off waivers from the Phillies. The Rockies designated Keston Hiura for assignment.

The Rays acquired right-hander Forrest Whitley from the Astros for cash.

Maybe it’s not too late to get in on the Fangraphs Fan Exchange Program.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Eric_in_Portland
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23 hours ago

oh well….the error on the bunt was especially a killer

Turk's Teeth
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23 hours ago

Just short for the Beavs.

Lost their defensive mettle in the series, and their pitching just wasn’t deep enough.

Pineapple12
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23 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

at least our future franchise 3rd baseman had a good final collegiate game.

Eric_in_Portland
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23 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I doubt he’s the pick. I’d like it in the sense that I’ve followed him this season, he’s played for a relatively local team. It’s a couple of hours down to Corvallis. After rooting for him all season it’d be fun to continue to root for him. But I fully expect Perry to cross us up with an unusual pick. Alex Lodise, Liam Doyle maybe but probably not.

Turk's Teeth
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23 hours ago

I still think the most likely Perry pick is one of the college lefties. If he throws us a curveball, I think it’s with one of the prep shortstops – Willits or Parker most likely – with Ike Irish being my last “one weird trick to solve baseball” guess.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago

Eddie King Jr is going to be a popular senior sign target, methinks.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Do you think he’ll get drafted at all or get a UDFA contract? If he were just sitting there in later rounds I’d take him… accept if I were PTP, cause who wants more bitching about Kentucky Boyz.

Turk's Teeth
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23 hours ago

I think MCWS performers tend to get selected. Either 8-10 rounds, or 11-20.

He’s 22, so he’s going late, but he has some decent hitterish traits, is competitive and has shown decent power two years running in a solid program.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago

This Beavers game is in. sane.

RexFregosi
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Nice comeback, starting with Aiva HR

Eric_in_Portland
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

They could have used one more hit

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago

They’ve been atrocious with RISP all series.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago

Kellen Oakes really shat the bed that inning.

It’s amazing that one of the best defenses in the NCAA just fell apart in MCWS.

RexFregosi
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23 hours ago

Yes, they sure could have.

RexFregosi
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23 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Just one Pac12 team left now

Turk's Teeth
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23 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

And I’m skeptical that UCLA advances. Still a pretty young team there, but I think they’re building something with the program.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  RexFregosi

What is this Pack 12 you speak of?

tanana40
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1 day ago

Here are the lineups for tonight. I guess Wash is hoping that Soler will eventually hit.
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/angels-vs-yankees/2025/06/17/777476/preview

Cowboy26
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1 day ago
Reply to  tanana40

No d’Arnaud Hendricks pairing. is this the first time all year?

tanana40
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1 day ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yes, I think so. I actually like d’Arnaud in there.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago

Insightful article on Jo.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/jo-adell-remains-a-work-in-progress-but-hes-making-progress/

“If you were only going by raw stat lines, the end of April would have been an understandable time to give up on Jo Adell. After struggling mightily in parts of four seasons with the Angels as well as the first half of 2024, he showed some positive gains in the second half before being shut down due to an oblique strain in early September. He finished in replacement-level territory, with a 90 wRC+ and 0.1 WAR, then was dreadful at the start of this season, sticking out even among one of the majors’ worst offenses. Lately, though, Adell has come around in promising fashion, offering hope that he can be a productive big leaguer after all, if not the star so many once believed he could be….

He’s giving off some encouraging signs, and one can’t fault the Angels’ patience with him or his willingness to experiment. I don’t think Adell will ever reach the ceiling that talent evaluators expected from him, but I do think he can be a productive major leaguer, and after all of the struggles we’ve seen from him, that counts for something.”

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

Unpossible. arte.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago

Eight years in the making. 🙂

I’d still draft him again where the Angels drafted him. He was the best prep hitter in the nation – he just dropped into one of the more flawed developmental orgs in the sport. Still wonder how he might have evolved had, say, an AL East team selected him.

ihearhowie3.0
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Griffin Canning suggests there is a good chance another team would have gotten to this version of Jo sooner. But I’m glad we’ve got him now!

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Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Griff is quickly and predictably reverting back to who he’s always been.

Last 5 starts:
21.1 innings
6.82 ERA
1.66 WHIP

He’s not missed and will never be missed lol. It is just unfortunate how we got swindled into Soler in the process of dumping Canning 😂😭

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ihearhowie3.0
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Thats fair. It’s June so maybe he ends up looking more like the Angels version.

Cowboy26
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1 day ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Canning Angels version 2023?

cuz that Canning version is better than the 2025 version so far

BannedInLA
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23 hours ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Definitely fair.

Heck, Soler could get hot at some point and make the deal a push.

We’ll have a better discussion 3 months from now.

Still, the Braves have the early advantage.

Cowboy26
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1 day ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Griffin is now suggesting that all the early season fanfare he got from joining Metropolitans was just more of the same New York Bullshit.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

If he winds up with a 1.6 WHIP and 5.00 ERA I can still bitch about trading him like he’s Tarik Skubal right? I mean, if I’m bitching on here 9 out of 10 times I’m just Lyling it and haven’t even looked up his stats anyway…. so it’s like they don’t exist.

grichmanpoorman
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Yeah, sorry Turk that’s selection-bias horsesh*t. He was a .300/.350/.900-type hitter through his first three minor league seasons. What, the org doesn’t get credit for that? They only get credit for his bad seasons? For the fact he struggled to adjust to major league breaking balls and pacing… like 90 percent of prospects? Uh-huh… but if the Orioles had drafted him, he’d be Juan Soto by now. Take a look at the high school hitters drafted in the Top 10 by AL East teams over the past decade. Quite a few washouts in there. Worse than Jo.

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ihearhowie3.0
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1 day ago

I mean…he said he’d draft him again at the same spot?

Given how not-productive our farm system has been and how long it has taken for Jo to find what appears to be working at the moment, seems like super tame and very fair criticism to wonder if another organization with a better track record of player development would have gotten there faster.

Cowboy26
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1 day ago

I guess Its also Evil Arte’s fault for the lost season of COVID Jo experienced where his only instruction came between the oak trees down at a park in Long Beach because everything else was closed.

ihearhowie3.0
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1 day ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’ve read that before about Kelenic and Adell and was sympathetic to COVID arguments circa 2022. But its 2025, we can put that one to bed. He’s gotten 1000+ ABs in the Majors and something like 800 in the Minors since his COVID-impacted year. It’s not like he was deprived of opportunity.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago

I don’t get what you mean by selection bias. In what sense? Not sure what part of my statement that you disagree with – that it was reasonable to draft Adell, or that the Angels have a below-average develomental system. The latter is broadly understood among scouts, players and rival front offices, so not sure what the controversial statement is.

I mean that’s some pretty intensely emotional language you’re using there, so you obviously are quite passionate about this.

Adell was the MaxPreps baseball player of the year. It’s completely unsurprising to me that he’d tear it up in the lower minors, especially in hitter’s paradises like Orem and the Cal League. His struggles with offspeed became apparent as early as high-A and certainly in the Southern League, which is where stronger orgs focus their coaching on getting hitters to the next level. They really rushed him in the pandemic shortened season, and that had visible effects. Is that really a “horsehit” take?

Surprised at the level of vitriol here.

grichmanpoorman
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22 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I just flatly reject the notion that Adell would have achieved stardom sooner (or WAR-positive output sooner, whatever you want to call it) had he been drafted and raised in the oo-la-la AL East, or any other upscale MLB neighborhood. The Halos HAVE development people and coaches. Those people HAVE experienced success at some point in their careers. Most have presumably worked for other MLB teams. It’s not like the Angels signed Jo and said “Figure it out.”

Other orgs have better development people? Some do. Not all. And they’re all giving 95 percent of the same instruction, anyway, I would theorize. You can’t use Jo Adell to prove otherwise. Or, you know, I could whip out Heston Kjerstad. Top 20 prospect at one point. Went to a good school in the gated AL East. Same age as Jo. Totally sucks balls as a Major Leaguer. It happens. Jasson Dominguez.

I suppose there’s some theoretical Miyagi-like hitting instructor who could have foreseen Jo’s struggles as big leaguer and preemptively fixed his swing/approach, even as he was mashing in AA, but… you know, that unicorn could be anywhere.

I can’t say I’ve been happy with the Angels’ player development output over the last 10 years… I’m not that deranged with love for them… but I also think the team’s inner-mechanics-shortcomings are massively exaggerated ’round these parts. And then even when there is a success (like Jo, actually) it’s “Oh, but it’s not as nice as their patio.” It’s self-loathy. Cucky. I don’t like it. Sorry.

Turk's Teeth
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20 hours ago

Sorry that you feel that way. It’s not an emotional thing for me – I’m just looking at the outcomes and the data in an MLB-wide context.

To me, it would be “cuck-ier” (if you actually mean servile and in-bondage to some theoretical master) to try to hide the fact that Angels develop players poorly vis-a-vis other teams because my emotional investment in the team was such that I need to obscure their weaknesses and praise the front office accordingly. I’ve never been a fan that cathects to management or coaches to prove my fandom.

There’ve been solid objective analyses of the Angels’ underperformance in drafting and developing hitters. Baseball America put one together just under two years ago that looked at the decade of drafting between 2012-2022, and found the Angels were the fourth worst team in the MLB in that span in terms of drafting and developing positional talent. Whether you looked at number of players who made the MLB, or runs created by those players, the Angels were near the bottom of the list. A separate analysis showed that Angels were 30th in baseball in WAR produced by a decade of drafting over a similar span, hitters and pitchers inclusive.

Houston was tops in developing hitters in BA’s analysis – they graduated 38 hitters in the period of 2012-2022, and those hitters created 3485 runs. The Angels graduated 14 hitters in the same span, who generated 863 runs. And that was despite the Angels biasing toward hitters in the top draft rounds in that period – Ward, Thaiss, Adell, Adams, Jones, Marsh, Paris, et al.

I’m not sure why I’d need to bend reality to credit minor league coaching for one month of solid play in Jo Adell’s sixth MLB season. There are other teams, like the Rays, and yes, recently Baltimore, who have been much more successful at matriculating hitters. It’s it’s “cucky” to say so, so be it – but I’m not getting where you’re coming from.

2002heaven
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20 hours ago

Explain last yr’s AL CY winner Tariq Skubul? How about Spencer Stryder the last 20 game winner in MLB?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I think he means he’s talented, he’d have drafted him same as we did, and in general it would have been cool if he’d lucked into some coach somewhere in some org that could get him to hit MLB pitching earlier cause he’d be really good already. Which is true, but also would take some serious luck.

BannedInLA
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23 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

We attended last week’s day game at the ‘A’ and Adell looks the part of top shelve athlete. Even more so than Trout because he’s taller.

If he could somehow be a .240+ hitter, I’d be satisfied. His K rate is way lower this year.

He’s a definite threat in the bottom 3rd of the order. Defense is good enough IMO.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  BannedInLA

His swing is VERY hard and fast. He has good speed. Gets to a lot of balls in the OF. Crazy power. Good arm. Teams not going anywhere. Might as well see if he becomes Dave Winfield.

Turk's Teeth
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20 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

He’s always had elite bat speed, strong exit velocities and a perfect baseball body – tools at 11. All the reasons why it was exciting to draft him.

But chase and pitch selection have been chronic issues, and more so when he made it to AA and faced prospects with advanced secondaries, and his K rate creeped into the 30%+ range.

At 20, Jo had a 33% K rate in AAA, his ISO fell below .100 b/c he wasn’t making quality contact, and his wRC+ fell to 62. That’s where another org would say, hey, this is a very talented player with some pitch recognition issues, let’s slow things down, and have him work on some things at Mobile – one of the more neutral parks in the Angels’ system at that point.

But instead, they promoted him to the MLB the following season, and he flailed, and got inconsistent play. I think there are other approaches – and more successful teams take a year or two to address issues rather than rushing a 21 yr old with plate knowledge deficits to the Majors.

SchofieldsWalkoff
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20 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

TT, got a lot of respect but this is rewriting history to fit your narrative. He had a 944 ops in AA with a 2,2:1 S/W in his age 20 season (2019) and had a decent showing in AZFL while being 2 years younger. Since there was no minors in 2020, what else should they have done?

TrojanBoiler
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Love all the data in this article.

Don’t love that he mentions Jo has been adjusting his stance and leg kick all season. Makes me skeptical that his recent success will stick if he hasn’t been consistent in his approach. Feels more like luck if that’s the case.

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 day ago

You know who deserves some love? Hunter Strickland

13.2 innings
0.0 ERA
0.73 WHIP
1.4 WAR 🤯
— stranded 16/19 inherited runners

Underrated and unreal right now lol

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

What’s crazy about him, look at his pitch data, then that stat line, and try to figure out how he’s doing it. But he is.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago

Pure unadulterated grit.

I’m looking at the Phillies’ relievers and woooof! Dave Dombrowski cannot wait to empty the farm for Strickland and Jansen.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

Man. If Perry got us some mix of Aroon Escobar (2B/3B), Carson DiMartini (3B), Mavis Graves (LHP), Griffin Burkholder(OF) out of such a deal that would be nice.

Maybe get Wen Hui Pan (who is hurt/TJS) as a bullpen prospect down the line along with two of the above fellas from the middle range of their prospects….

BannedInLA
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23 hours ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Is that your profile name on Grinder?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  BannedInLA

No. That’s me. You know that’s me. Stop playing these games Clarence. I told you it was FINE with me if you love Counting Crows, but I’m just not that into them.

milehigh
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I wonder if we could pry Otto Kemp from the Phillies farm for third base. Would be a risk to do but maybe pan out later. If we could them maybe that would make the decision to go for a pitcher at #2 in the draft a bit easier.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  milehigh

I was thinking of Otto Kemp. Trouble is that the Phills need 3B options with Bohm being iffy and I was looking for guys they’d likely be willing to trade. I’d take a shot on Kemp though.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 day ago

Since Zack is blocked and Logan has a negative WAR, I’m all for sending Mike as our ASG nominee. That would be my pick but he needs to rest his knees and probably just wants to play with the kids. (I’d rather be in Newport too.)

Soriano or NRS would be my next choices, flip a coin – it’s be good to see either one.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I’m rocking with Nolan or Sori.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

I want Nolan to steal a base in the ASG real bad.

BannedInLA
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1 day ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Or Jansen.

red floyd
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1 day ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Dumb question. How is Zack blocked from ASG? Not following the news.

RexFregosi
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1 day ago
Reply to  red floyd

there are three guys clearly ahead of him: Witt, Wilson, Pena

red floyd
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23 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Ah, got it. Blocked but not by our team.

FungoAle
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1 day ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Trout as the Halo AS guy? Only if he announces 2025 that he is walking away from baseball.

Fansince1971
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1 day ago
Reply to  FungoAle

We could only hope for that

Phil
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1 day ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Rooting for Kenley to be picked.
I don’t want Tout at the ASG. He needs all the rest he can get.

BannedInLA
Super Member
23 hours ago
Reply to  Phil

He makes more sense the more you ponder it.

I believe he’s only 1
of 2 relievers that are 10/10+ on Save opportunities this season.

HOF player. Let him get selected.

Born_in_59
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1 day ago

I understand there are going to be ebbs and flows over the season, but pitching has been trending upwards. Stats are from Baseball reference.

Last 7 days 6  (3-3)  R/G 4.17 WHIP 1.241 SO9 9.5 SO/W 3.56
Last 14 days 12  (7-5)  R/G 4.67 WHIP 1.366 SO9 8.5 SO/W 2.76
Last 28 days 25 (13-12) R/G 4.44 WHIP 1.473 SO9 7.9 SO/W 2.01

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Born_in_59

Yep. I don’t know if this will last, but I do know this is what we are looking for, maybe a couple times this year. Get a pile of arms, many of which are troubled or young. Pitch them all and live through a bunch of crap innings. See which guys adjust and start pitching well. Bank them…. or in the case of Detmers or a kid like Dana (if he starts pitching well) stretch them out to start. Then add more arms (this next round will likely be kids). Sift through the crap. See who makes adjustments and does well…. rinse repeat.

I don’t care if I have to see Hector Nerris. I don’t need to be a bitch about it. Our blowpen isn’t gonna cost us a shot at play off glory this year either way. Cycle Shaun Anderson through. Pitch Brogdon. Get ugly and dirty. But if we have three or four guys we know we want to use going forwards out of all of it then we’ve accomplished something.

I actually think Enright’s a good coach. But he’s just a coach. Same with Kranitz in Atlanta or Willis in Cleveland. They do a good job, trouble is that they do a good job with pitchers who may NOT do their job well. And no. They won’t magically make pitchers better if the pitcher can’t pull off what the coach tells them they need to do…. lookin at you Emmanuel Clase and Logan Allen. Enright’s the same. You can see how Soriano and Detmers have learned and changed how they pitch and it’s good. You can also see that some guys may never be able to make the adjustments to be good even if Enright and friends are able to show it to them.

I always just remember. There was a season where the acknowledged best pitching coach in the game was Arizona’s Mike Butcher and his sliders. Because the arms he had that year pulled it off. You either need luck or the Doyers payroll to look good all the time.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Perry, Wash, Enright stabilized the bullpen last season and are doing it again.

As Gitch mentioned, the goal should be keeping the ship above water and identify keepable talent until the kid pitchers in the farm are ready.

In the ‘pen I like Joyce (yes, his arm is a ticking time bomb), Bachman and Fermin. Give me all the 97+ fastballs!

In the rotation, Soriano and Detmers (once he’s done impersonating Billy Wagner) is a good starting point.

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
1 day ago

Man I am looking at our minor league stats from recent drafts and it’s clear Perry sucks. The only thing he is hitting on is getting decent 1st round picks. No all stars, but playable players. After that it’s pretty grim. The only spots in the org where there is hope is in the DSL and ACL but once they get to Tri City they are done. There are some prospects from Latin America but after that it’s pretty ugly. It’s clear that between poor preparation and poor drafting Perry is over his head. Yes he did ok as the guy to execute a few trades and sign paperwork but he has Assistant GM all over him. He might do ok if we had a head of baseball Ops that did real things but it comes down I think to our lack of drafting and perhaps poor coaching down the pipeline

DMAGZ13
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1 day ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

No good org is merely getting a top draft pick and then throwing them into the starting lineup … there’s not enough years to get 15 guys in the first round.

I know we’re excited by Shanuel hit streak but he’s a max 2 WAR player. Moore will probably be about the same. There are plenty of those guys all over the majors and we get excited over having 2.

Neto maybe 4-5 ish which is good too borderline all stars. That’s what Arquette is going to become but that improves us from a 75 win team to 80… but there’s nobody carrying it further. Man the awful drafting has really killed us. I’m going on the limb and suggesting that the team has over performed record wise over the past two seasons since Shohei left

Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Criticisms of Perry’s picks after round 1 are warranted.

Not sure pouring cold water on the good he’s done with position players is entirely fair tho.

O’Hoppe, Schanuel, Moore, Neto, are his guys. That’s potentially 4/9 of a lineup. The rehabilitation of Adell makes it 5. Trout is 6. Rada will be 7.

I remain bullish on our pitching pipeline, and time will tell if Perry’s guys (Bachaman, Urena, Dana, Klassen, Aldegheri, Cortez, etc.) pan out.

This is a monumental draft for us.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

Yeah. Farm still sucks. It’s true. But he’s really only been able to directly address it for a couple years now. It’s less sucky by a little bit, and he’s found a few “not farm” additions to help mitigate the problem. If he continues down this path I think the results will start to multiply…. with a little luck.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DMAGZ13

I actually want as many 2-4 WAR players as possible. Give me six Nolan Schanuel/Zach McKinstry/Alec Burleson/Daniel Schneemanns. You can force that horrible drafting on me all you want. We saw how useless a ten WAR player can be on a sink hole of a team. I don’t think the Tigers are gonna have anyone break 5 WAR this year in their line up.

Do we need to draft better because the position player guys in our system kinda suck? Hell yeah. But I’m less desperate for change as I am hoping for an adjustment. If he goes position player heavy in this draft and we get stuck with two more 3 WAR players I’m gonna be OK with it.

And Nolan’s totally gonna have more than 2 WAR. Probably via his speed on the bases alone. If he has more hotness in him I’m hoping for a .290 average with 15 HR and 40 doubles…. and eight stolen bases.

Or the juju could get him and he’ll strike out 200 times the rest of the way and then sprain his neck.

toad2065
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1 day ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Bah humbug! The kids are alright! Thanks for providing us with something fun to watch and root for, Perry, Young Mr. Moore presents well, also.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  toad2065

Watching kids walk/fall on their face is a lot more fun than watching a bunch of depressed 32 year olds stand around waiting for the Ohtani show to get it’s dose of attention before everyone goes silent again. The record will be about the same or better this year, but it’s more fun to watch the kids scrap and fight.

MarineLayer
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1 day ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Minasian is a problem.

Jeff Joiner
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1 day ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

The farm is bad, especially on the position player side. What I’m really shocked about, though, is the lack of a bullpen pipeline. Tons of Perry’s pitcher picks have reliever profiles and many are already relievers. Yet every year we’re picking up waiver claims to fill the bullpen.

Luke Murphy, Eric Torres, and a host of other SEC/big college closers have been drafted and none have made an MLB impact.

He’s obviously emphasized building a cost controlled bullpen and has failed.

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Another fair critique of Perry. Here’s a look at the bullpen pieces from his 4 drafts who have either made their MLB debut or could be considered reasonably close imo:

2021: Sam Bachman, Chase Silseth
2022: Ben Joyce, Victor Mederos, Jared Southard, Samy Natera Jr.

Ideally, Luke Murphy (2021) and Camden Minnaci (2023) would be listed, but they’ve been awful this year.

I didn’t realize how bad our 2023 draft was after Schanuel, unless Kent or Wimmer become something in 4 years. Certainly cannot have a repeat of that next month.

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grichmanpoorman
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Fontenelle looked like a great 7th round pick-up early on but he’s clearly regressed this year. Kent hasn’t pitched an inning. Makes me wonder if it’s UCL.

Overall, 2023 not looking great, even accounting for the lack of a round 2 pick.

The one that kills me is Rios. What a shit pick. Karros was also on the board. Also PAC-10. Position of need. Bleh.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Sigh….. Fontenelle. His leg exploded. Now he’s not so good. I still hold out faint hope for him in future years….

milehigh
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1 day ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

I’m not sure how to take this. There are complaints that Angels are not consistent but we get to consistently complain about every GM in the Arte era. So +1 for Angels consistency. /s

Yes, the pitching part has been not good. OTOH, the Angels scouting is bare bones since the 2020 cutbacks. They are so far behind in number of scouts and breadth of geographic coverage compared to other teams. I also think the whole ‘wasting Trout and Ohtani” issue lead to a bunch of crappy decisions. I think Arte had no intention of thinking long term org building during that time so why draft high ceiling longer development kids when your boss isn’t interested in that. Perry’s draft mandate during this time, to me, was ‘draft a guy who will be an All-Star tomorrow’ and maybe I won’t have to listen to this ‘wasting’ stuff.

Imho, the org has really suffered from the cutbacks in 2020 and is still suffering to some extent. I think it is only this year that the Angels have hired one full time scout in Japan.
Last data I have seen is that the Angels were spending about 47% of their income on either player salary or baseball operations, I don’t recall which. Finally there is a $11m facility years after other teams have spent that kind of money. But is there really no money to build scouting and dev to the level of other MLB teams? Arte said the org will compete but he thinks that can be done with half the personnel resources of his competitors?

But on the bright side, maybe after Perry’s contract is up we will have another GM to complain about. Consistency.

Last edited 1 day ago by milehigh
red floyd
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1 day ago
Reply to  milehigh

I’m guessing Stoneman doesn’t count because Cheap and Evil Arte inherited him?

milehigh
Member
1 day ago
Reply to  red floyd

Have to go back to HH and see if we complained about Stoneman. I bet we did, consistency and all.
But at least then the org had its full contingent of scouting. Or whatever that periods “full” was.

Cowboy26
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1 day ago
Reply to  milehigh

Standpat Stoneman?

Nah we never complained about him. Especially at the trade deadline.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  milehigh

I wish I could find a source for how many scouts the angels actually have and where compared to other teams….

Cowboy26
Legend
1 day ago

Does Evil Arte even have any scouts?

I thought he used Account Temps?

red floyd
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23 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

So Bob is our scout?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 day ago

Let’s make it five wins in a row in Stankee stadium.

JackFrost
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1 day ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

 🙄 

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 day ago

Schanny really falling (Working into) a groove.

1-0 clipped the Clippers…..

Go Halos!

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 day ago

Nolan Schanuel
.285 / .377 / .398
120 OPS+
38 strikeouts : 34 walks
1.1 WAR

The kid can ball! He’s Freddie Freeman without the power. Which still makes him a very good player.

tanana40
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

He seems to be a rare hitter these days who can aim a ball at an open spot in the infield. In other words, if there is a hole on the left or right side of the infield, he can adjust his swing and get a hit through the hole. A Rod Carew did that all the time and many good hitters of the past could but it seems like a lost art today.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  tanana40

I love the “aim the ball hitters”. I remember when I was a kid they’d put a folding chair anywhere out on the field and Wade Bogs would hit it in batting practice. Like a friggin golfer. That’s some wild shit.

red floyd
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1 day ago
Reply to  tanana40

Schanny would have been awesome against the shift.

2002heaven
Super Member
20 hours ago
Reply to  red floyd

🤣😂

smithy610
Super Member
1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Schanny may be the team’s only chance at a .300 hitter this year.

I know those are rarely valued anymore, but hitting .300 is still something.

2002heaven
Super Member
20 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Duznt steel bazes or hitt home runs.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 day ago

1-nothing, impressive. And Schanny is the hero, nobody could have written this script better than our lovable boys with Moore scoring the winning run and all against the Yankees, how great was all this. PS, Trouty throws in 2 hits.

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