LA Angels Weekend News Crash: Looking Forward

This was another rough week for our guys. Back to back series losses to Baltimore and San Diego dropped the team’s overall record to 17 wins and 25 losses, putting them firmly in the basement of the AL West.

One of those losses in San Diego can be blamed firmly on the bullpen. Going into the year, fireballer Ben Joyce was expected to be the setup man for Kenley Jansen but Joyce had shoulder surgery and will be out for the remainder of the year.

That’s not to say that everything this week was bad. Matthew Lugo made his MLB debut and had a heck of a week.

I still can’t believe Perry received Lugo and Zeferjahn for Luis Garcia. Even if the kid never gets another hit, Perry wins that trade by a huge margin.

As far as the Highlight of the Week, that is a very easy call: Taylor Ward’s grand slam in the top of the 9th Monday night in San Diego.

Ward added another home run on Wednesday night to push his season total to 10. Perhaps he can work his way back into trade bait territory. Luis Rengifo also had some quality at bats this week to potentially help his value.

But, the title of this piece is Looking Forward so let’s see what the Angels might have on the horizon.

Walbert Urena is a name with a lot of helium right now. He’s always had the potential for electric stuff but his command wasn’t very good. Something is clicking for him in AA this season and he threw another gem this week.

Over Urena’s last three starts he’s tallied 17 innings of 1.59 ERA ball. The slash line against him in those starts is a ridiculous .143/.262/.161. His 8 run, 1 inning appearance against Montgomery last month will tank his season numbers for for a long time, but progress is what matters at this level and Urena is making it.

Meanwhile, Caden Dana continues to look good at the AAA level. In a league full of high altitude launching pads, Dana is sporting solid traditional numbers with some really nice peripherals. 10.4 K/9 to go against a tidy 3.3 BB/9 is what you want to see from a youngster.

Another young Angels arm, Sammy Natera Jr. gets some love as a diamond in the rough in a piece that also features a catcher the Angels let get away.

Just don’t look at the position player prospects, it gets pretty ugly in a hurry. But there is one standout so far in 2025.

I’m linking this specifically because this is my type of baseball. Get on, steal, and turn two singles into a run. I love this style of ball.

Considering the dearth of overall talent in the organization, the Angels picks in the 2025 draft will be critical to future success. While the draft boards are still very unsettled, mock drafts are beginning to emerge.

ESPN thinks the Angels will take the same guy I do. I really like that piece and think it is worth a read because it breaks down the prospect lists by grades. Prospect hounds might disagree a bit on whether a kid is a 50 or a 45, but it gives you a general ideal of the view of the class.

Just Baseball pegs the Angels to take the very same bat Turk’s Teeth thinks they will take and for the same reasons. Note, this pick is not who Turk’s wants the Angels to take, but who most fits the Angels draft MO.

Meanwhile, MLB Pipeline has the Angels picking a pitcher Nolan has really liked and who is having a great year.

The lack of a consensus is proof that this class is considered to be relatively deep but lacking in true standout star power. There isn’t a Paul Skenes on the board, in fact there might not even by a Dylan Crews on the board. But my non-scout eyes can see there is talent all over the diamond in college, particularly the SEC, so decent players should be available for a couple of rounds.

From around baseball:

Aaron Judge is hitting like Barry Bonds but teams keep pitching to him.

There was a cuteness overload when Mookie Betts son threw out the first pitch on his dad’s bobblehead night.

Detroit is on quite a roll and it is fun to watch. They swept Boston on a walk off hit Wednesday. “That’s pure joy” per the night’s hero.

That sweep at the hands of Detroit pushed Boston below .500 for the year and put a smile on my face. There are a lot of questions swirling around the Sox, here are three big ones.

I love the World Baseball Classic. Paul Skenes announced he will pitch for Team USA in next year’s edition.

Enjoy your weekend and link what I missed. No baseball for my little guys this weekend. I do get to get all dressed up for a wedding, though.

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GrandpaBaseball
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1 day ago

So, Padres interested in Ward, sell high-buy low.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Dude. Motorcycle Sports rumors? That’s like one small step above my mom saying “I bet the Padres want Ward” right after the grand slam.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 day ago

Trouty is the Tiger Woods of baseball. Formerly the best in his sport and now unable to play

JackFrost
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13 hours ago

Hmmm. But one is a self-obsessed, a-hole and the other is a totally cool, chill dude. I’ll let you guess which is which.

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Twebur
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1 day ago

Free Darkness retreats for all Angel fans

Kenley Jansen started seeing a therapist after blowing a World Series game in 2020. He’s kept the therapy going ever since, and he said it’s a key to surviving in his high pressure role.

https://x.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1923420096011317520

Pineapple12
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1 day ago

LINEUP

SS Neto
1B Schanuel
3B Moncada
LF Ward
RF Soler
C O’Hoppe
DH Rengifo
CF Lugo
2B Anderson

P Kochanowicz

Tim Anderson and his .475 OPS playing over Adell and Paris is disappointing.

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bobblanton
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Very disappointing since we are not winning and to play him is dumb. Play the kids

bobblanton
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Soler will strike out 3 times tonight or pop up

AngelsFanInHell
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1 day ago

By the way, great article.

AngelsFanInHell
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1 day ago

Time to trade Lugo before he gets injured.

milehigh
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1 day ago

Off topic but my inner nerd button like this.

“The Baltimore Orioles are, apparently, the latest example of tech overreliance. According to an essay from 404 Media, the MLB team embraced AI and modern, data-driven decision-making and is now seeing somewhat disastrous results.

  • The O’s went all in: We’re talking biofeedback like bat sensors and swing trackers, heavily leaning on computer models for draft strategy, and deploying “an AI-ified offensive strategy regimen.”
  • Results were initially promising and the data suggested the team’s success would continue: A popular simulation model predicted the team would win 89 games this year (which isn’t bad).
  • But they’re currently on pace to win 60 (which is bad). In fact, the Orioles have one of the worst records in baseball, serving as proof, per 404, that making a simulated World Series doesn’t translate to making the real one. 

Our suggestion? Replace the Orioles’ coaching staff with an “Uber-type of setup” where remote workers can make lineup decisions over the phone.”

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
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The Orioles are a year and a half removed from a 101 win season, and made the playoffs the past two seasons.

That essay feels like a premature burial – I suspect a version of it was written months ago, just waiting for the right 6-8 week window of some team’s underperformance to apply it to.

I don’t think a month and a half of baseball is “proof” of much of anything, much less that predictive modeling and data-driven decision-making are inevitably disasters in the making.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Yeah. I’d hate to have drafted like the O’s the last few years…. turrible. Team has zero young talent and is doomed for sure.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 day ago

 😀 

Charles Sutton
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1 day ago
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AI platforms turn into sycophants during training. It may sound good while it is telling you exactly what you want to hear, but what it didn’t say might end up hurting later.

Mikeal1st
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1 day ago

The Angels didn’t capitalize on having Shohei Ohtani. Now they get to watch the Dodgers do so
Scathing article on Arte concerning the handling of Ohtanis by Arte…

If Moreno had shown vision, the Angels could have planted a flag in Japan the way the Dodgers did, becoming a destination for players from that baseball-obsessed country — and a money-making machine to rival, and perhaps even surpass, their neighbors to the north.

Mikeal1st
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1 day ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Suprise it was Rosenthal, not Sam.

Mikeal1st
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1 day ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Update, Sam contributed to the article.

milehigh
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1 day ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Captain Obvious to the rescue

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mikeal1st

This is indeed true, sort of. You know what helps with that shit? Winning. You may have noticed Japanese players are not flocking to bad teams with Japanese players. It’s not like there weren’t Japanese people paying money to sit in a stadium and fk around on their phones for two hours with brief breaks for Ohtani at bats. But the whole premise is stupid. The Dodgers capitalized because they are heavily capitalized. While Cleveland fails to rule Korea even with Steven Kwan.

“why didn’t you make your team an international brand the way the team that already was an international brand became an international brand only bigger by spending a ton of money?” huuuurrrrrrr dur

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Didn’t we get Kavader in that trade too…. just saying. If he accidentally becomes the Greek God of 500ft Dingerz now THAT’S a win!

Pineapple12
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1 day ago

Why Boston gave us ANYTHING for Luis Garcia will remain one of the greatest wonders of the world.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s not really. Boston has a much deeper farm system than the Angels, and the three AAA guys they sent the team were all going to be Rule 5 guys this year, and tossed off a crowded 40 man roster. They had no room for them.

I’m fairly certain Kavadas isn’t going to become anything, and Zeferjahn couldn’t locate his FB to save his life when he was traded. Even now, Angels fans are expecting great things from Z after 30 innings in the MLB, but he’s a 27 yr old with an ERA near 5, and elevated BB and HR rates – not terribly off from what he was in AAA. Relievers are volatile, and he could improve or wash out from here.

Lugo was really the only prospect of note in the package – and if a team can get a serviceable bench bat from two months of a leverage reliever, that’s a very good return. Just not a miracle return!

The inclusion of Vargas was nice lotto ticket, but he’s struggling a bit in low-A ball, and doesn’t easily project as an MLB piece, though he’s faraway in any case. It was the most curious inclusion of the package.

MarineLayer
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Boy, you really put that trade into context. Still, it was Minasian’s best effort.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If I were to look at this from Boston’s perspective, using proxies from the Angels system:

Yeferson Vargas -> Jorge Marcheco
Matthew Lugo -> Jordyn Adams
Ryan Zeferjahn -> Jack Dashwood
Niko Kavadas -> Ryan Noda

Inexact, but close, I think.

Adams would be the only prospect of note, and the Angels let him go in the offseason, much like Boston probably would have done with Lugo. Definitely a bubble guy in their system. Dashwood and Noda are the types that come and go as minor league free agents every year. Kavadas and Zeferjahn could likely have been acquired as MiLB FAs, or for cash considerations, in the offseason as well.

So from Boston’s PoV, I don’t think they were giving up anyone they planned to keep.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

For me, it’s more about the fact that a team would willingly trade for Luis Garcia than the return we got.

Sure, he posted a 115 ERA+ over 43 IP as a Halo. Subsequently after being traded, Garcia reverted to his natural form, giving Boston a stellar 8+ ERA in just 15 IP.

Zeferjahn is struggling immensely this season, but his stuff still grades out as elite. Even though Lugo may not have been in Boston’s long-term plans, he was solid in the minors and predicts much better than Jordyn Adams ever did.

Incredible return for a terrible reliever. You have to understand how little I think of Luis Garcia lol.

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Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
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Solid relief help is highly valued at the deadline every year, because strong bullpens help win championships.

I simply don’t think it’s fair to say that an 8 ERA is Garcia’s “natural form” – he had strong years with Phillies, Padres and St Louis, and any reliever can have spells of volatility over a short stretch, on a new club with very different ballpark dynamics, no less. (It’s a bit of a tell that in your own analysis you give Zeferjahn a pass for volatility, but assume Garcia is reducible to his worst weeks.)

Garcia’s currently on the Dodgers, after being traded for by Boston, and both clubs are among the most analytical (and rational) teams in the sport, the Dodgers obviously the gold standard.

I also disagree that Lugo “predicts much stronger than Jordyn Adams every did”. Adams was a top 100 prospect for multiple years, with a 70 grade speed and glove, doing it out of CF. Lugo was a raw shortstop out of Puerto Rico whose glove never quite materialized, and who bumped around the diamond as a potential utility guy, until he was targeted for LF. When he was traded, Longenhagen had him as Boston’s #38 best player, a 35 FV guy with a 30 grade hit tool, but above-average power he struggles to get to consistently. Or as Eric L put it: “Given his hit tool limitations and the way his defensive versatility has trended down, he looks more like an above-replacement up/down outfielder than a consistent role player.”

He’s having a Kyren Paris moment this week, but he had a 29% K rate and a 65 wRC+ in the PCL a week before that, so hold your breath.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Jordyn Adams’ bat was never good enough to capitalize on his elite speed. In an alternate universe, he takes that football scholarship and plays at North Carolina.

On the topic of contenders looking to bolster their bullpens at the trade deadline — gosh, I pray Jansen gets his shit together. I’d think Anderson will be sought after. Moncada is building up some trade value. And then Ward and Rengifo need to get hot, for the love of Christ.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’d like to see what an AL East team would have done with Adams – at time of drafting, scouts were putting 80 grades on his speed, and 60 grades on his power. It was up to the Angels to make him a hitter, but he arrived at the nadir of developmental options for position players in the Angels system. He had reasonable debuts in Orem and Burlington before sitting out a whole year during the pandemic.

But you should at least be above-board here and admit that Adams was one of the most projectable and athletic draftees in 2018 – saying that Lugo was far more projectable than Adams “ever was” just has no basis in historical reality. Lugo never made it into Boston’s top ten, and was out of their BA 30 list by 2024, while Adams was as high as #3 for the Angels, and BA was projecting him as difference-making glove and a middle of the order bat as recently as 2020.

I get that you’re the #1 Angels optimist/booster in this forum, but we at least need to have some intersection in our venn diagram where truth can be shared, or it’s not worth the discussion, amirite?

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Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I’ll take the L here, TT, haha. Calling Lugo more projectable than Adams is not rooted in any sort of truth, as you clearly broke down.

I’m multi-tasking work, watching the PGA Championship, and posting here so my thoughts are coming in half-baked, if that.

I do appreciate the unofficial title of #1 booster! As much as it may seem, I’m not ignorant to the dysfunction and hopelessness of this franchise. If I were to became half as negative as the rest of this board, I am not sure I could keep following this team lol.

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Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Nothing wrong with some well-placed optimism. Don’t mean to wear you down.

I just think that the biggest disappointment with Adams is that he was a supremely gifted (and yes, projectable) athlete who was not particularly helped by the system. At the most critical point of his development, basically during peak COVID, Moreno was stripping the farm for parts, and the Arizona complex was a shabby work in progress.

FungoAle
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Kavadas is a poor mans Joe Gallo and I don’t see the potential in Lugo. I like Zefer but only a 1/3rd of the season under his belt with the Halos, the jury is still deliberating.

Garcia was more about quantity over quality. The Estevez trade was far more interesting,

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
Reply to  FungoAle

More or less what I recall saying at the time. That Lugo was the center of the trade, and getting a bench guy for two months of a late reliever was a good trade, but I’d rather just have 1-2 slightly better guys than four spare parts. But I also wasn’t expecting much.

That Z has outperformed his track record for a few months is really nice. I just think we see bullpen guys do that all the time, so we may be getting a short-term thrill, which is more or less what we got from Luis Garcia in another losing season.

But then relievers re-make themselves all the time – Robert Stephenson spun a shoft-term makeover into a $33M contract!

Roy Hobbs
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Yea from Perry.

2002heaven
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1 day ago

Schaneul stats
2 hrs 10 RBIs
😡

Simba
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8 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

He also leads the team in hits and walks, and therefore not surprisingly OBP and runs. Someone has to get on base.

WallyChuckChili
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1 day ago

Did we lose already?

Where’s the Postgame?

Twebur
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1 day ago

Mookie Betts and Mookie Betts Jr. are the same size.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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comment image

SD19
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1 day ago

Pretty cool day yesterday. My sons LL team played Trouts kids team and he was there. Was totally cool after the game and some of our kids got a pic with him and a few things signed.

PS- his calves are insanely massive and ripped

Angelz4ever
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1 day ago
Reply to  SD19

Nice, I hope he wasn’t too mobbed at the game.

Twebur
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1 day ago
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Nice, I hope he wasn’t too mobbed hurt watching at the game.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 day ago
Reply to  Twebur

 😃 

cookmeister
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1 day ago
Reply to  SD19

did he move? I heard yesterday his kid is playing in Villa Park, seems odd if he’s living in Newport

SD19
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1 day ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Yup Villa Park. Not sure how he qualified but He’s here. Word is they have friends in the league and wanted their sons to play together.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Trout does what he wants when he wants.

Angelz4ever
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1 day ago

Chuck Norris Jr.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  SD19

“PS- his calves are insanely massive and ripped”

Therein lies the problem: he’s too musclebound. If he would follow the Angels’ training regimen and chain-smoked Turkish cigarettes by the carton and remained sedentary, his injuries would be a thing of the past.

Twebur
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1 day ago

I don’t remember Vlade Divac missing games. Only exercise he got outside of playing in the NBA was hanging out with James 2 Dame’s Worthy.

Mikeal1st
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1 day ago

30 years and I still Turkish tobacco, especially in non-filters.
It made me very cool.
I don’t miss the cancer that came with it ten years ago. (100% clear now)

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 day ago

D@mmit, let’s just draw some blue blood this weekend!

Go Halos!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

See, here’s the plan. We sweep the Dodgers. Then we sweep the A’ss. And BLAMO! We’re right back in the hunt. Easy cheesy. DO IT PERRY! DO THE RIGHT THING!

PedroCerrano
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1 day ago

I took your advice and listened to the Dodgers game last night while towing my boat home from the lake. I know that I’m supposed to hate them but a collection of really good guys who are also really great at baseball was a fun listen.

I really tried to like the Padres, but the crusty old pitcher in me just wanted earhole all their hitters. I’m good with celebrating big moments but those guys have a bad case of “lookatmeitus”.

BTW: So much for the Ohtani is overrated chatter.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  PedroCerrano

I DID NOT advise getting into the Doyers. That’s gross man. What’s next? Love that Yankees tradition? Those Mariners look great in teal? barf

Roy Hobbs
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1 day ago

I have been a Dodger hater most of my life but they currently have a great organization and some very likable stars. I would love to have their big 3 on our team. Trout, if he was able to play any more would be a great fit for their team.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

You know who else had a huge big 3 and a great org? The Nazis Roy. The Nazis!

Roy Hobbs
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1 day ago

Wow, where did that come from. You’ve gone off the rails my friend.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 day ago

You did say that I should watch better more interesting teams but I wondered if that would trigger you  😂  I echo what Hobbs said below.

Ohtani, Freeman, Betts, Kershaw and many others there are super solid dudes on and off the field. I said it before, if the uniforms were swapped we would be ecstatic.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  PedroCerrano

I’d be ecstatic if they had just about ANY other uniform. I just can’t do the Doyers thing.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago

5/15 Top Prospect Performance goes to one of my favorites, Victor Mederos.

6 innings
0 ER
2 hits
3 walks
6 strikeouts

3 starts in AAA:
17.2 innings
1.53 ERA
0.79 WHIP
.145 opponent BA
15 strikeouts

Video from yesterday’s start

https://x.com/SaltLakeBees/status/1923225453004820823?t=9CfUKAva1OVYRI7vhKTAEA&s=19

Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

2025 is shaping up to be another tough year for us fans, but I still believe in the organization’s starting pitching depth.

MLB: Soriano, Kochanowicz, Detmers
AAA: Dana, Mederos, Silseth
AA: Klassen, Aldegheri, Hurtado, Urena
A+: Johnson, Cortez

Outside of Soriano and maybe Dana, I acknowledge there are a lot of question marks with the rest. As Senator said, we’ve got to take a starting pitcher with the #2 pick — and his name is Seth Hernandez (though obviously, we’ll end up taking the flamethrower out of Tennessee who’ll blow out his arm in 2–3 years lol).

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Fansince1971
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1 day ago
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“2025 is shaping up to be another tough year for us fans, but I still believe in the organization’s starting pitching depth.”

At what point is blind optimism just being blind?

I think if this Org has any chance of a rebound it is time (past it actually) to view the current status realistically which equates to their being very little to be optimistic about within the Organization. Only by being realistic about this can a true rebuild begin.

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Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I listed 12 arms that I like.

9 months ago MLB.com ranked the Angels 4th with the best pitching prospects.

https://www.mlb.com/news/top-organizations-based-on-pitching-talent-2024

Calling my optimism here blind is somewhat condescending, but all good.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s good. Look at the tools you have. Look at the limitations you are stuck with. Look for ways they COULD work. Doesn’t mean you wouldn’t like better tools and won’t try to get better tools. Doesn’t mean you don’t wish the limitations wouldn’t magically disappear. Doesn’t mean you expect everything too actually work out.

It actually IS realistic. It’s just also proactive…. sad donkey’s hate proactive.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

That has been the problem with this site. Just too much un-informed blind optimism. If we don’t put a stop to it then Arte’s evil will spread unopposed and run the whole team…. oh.

You do realize that this site has absolutely no sway in how the org is thinking right? We could change our name to pollyanna.com and none of the boys in the building will give two shits what we say here and will rebuild/not build accordingly.

Mikeal1st
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1 day ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

At what point is blind optimism just being blind?

2016?

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RexFregosi
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

But can they hit?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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The sad truth is we have a list of 12 names there, and I’d add a couple names from A/RK ball too…. but of those 14 guys we can realistically expect maybe 2 guys who stick in a rotation and maybe three that stick in our pen. I’ll take that, but it shows that we really need to produce AT LEAST a list of 14 possibly good arms all the time if we want to maintain a pitching staff.

SPEND ON DEVELOPMENT BABY!

Same with the hitters. It’s fine if we currently have Lugo, Rada and… well, the other Lugo…. as position player prospects. IF they work out. Maybe throw in that ctacher kid whose name I forget and an improved guy, Moore or Guzman. Say we fill three or four more roster spots with kids. Cool. We don’t need 35 A grade position prospects, but we need more than we have. Likely 5 “good” position prospects = 1 fairly solid roster spot being filled in the Heim. Either by trade or graduation.

SO SPEND ON DEVELOPMENT!

I know that they are totally unrelated, and that Perry isn’t actually the moron some of the egos on this site need him to be, but I still hope that Perry is somehow turned off of Doyle by Joyce getting hurt and just goes Arnold/Hernandez. I really want Hernandez. We are about two years away from needing an ace to compete in play off races (at best) so take the guy who can be an ace and let him work for two or three years…. why not?

There is no single pitcher in this draft that will help the team be a winner NOW. Just ask the Pirates with Skenes.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

Bruh! I really appreciate your daily tracking of the farm. It’s really cool.

RexFregosi
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1 day ago

I examined the stats of the farm hands myself this week, and reported my findings. Jeff says it also today.

It’s Rada, and the rest is nada.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

That’s why I focus almost entirely on the pitching!

I posted once about Calabrese and idk if he’s gotten a hit since 😂.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I’ll be (just a touch) more optimistic: there’s Rada, Joswa Lugo and Adrian Placencia is making some progress at Tri-City. Still too much whiff, but like Rada, he’s getting on base at prodigious clip, and unlike Rada, showing usable game power. Currently sporting a 149 wRC+ in high-A at age 21.

But the whiffs are an issue across the whole system, and it’s not getting better.

Among the dozen arms P12 lists, the only ones that seems high probability as starters to me are Soriano and Dana, and the latter is probably a #4 guy in the rotation after a couple more shaky cups of coffee. The rest of the names seem like bullpen pieces or spot starter types. Ideally one Soriano-type emerges from that bunch – maybe Urena or Klassen – we’ll see.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I’ve been drunk on the Mederos Kool Aid since the day he was drafted. His starts in AAA are intriguing and I hope Perry resists the urge to call him up again this season.

I’m addicted to these high velo arms — Mederos, Klassen, Urena, Cortez. Until they get permanently moved to the ‘pen, I’ll keep dreaming.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Fontenelle…. he gives me the sads. I want him to be good…..

Twebur
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1 day ago

After suffering that brutal injury last year, not surprised he’s off to a slow start (hopefully it’s just one of those). Maybe by July he can get things turned around.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Arte will not pay a topline pitcher the going rate in free agency. If the Angels do not draft a pitcher at #2, the entire baseball operations staff should be fired for malfeasance.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago

If the Angels do not draft Seth Hernandez at #2, the entire baseball operations staff should be fired for malfeasance.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
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That’s the spirit!

Actually, there are plenty of front offices who will shy away from Hernandez for quite rational reasons – prep righties are the riskiest demographic in recent draft history, with the highest bust rate.

I’m one of those who believe Hernandez is an outlier in that demographic – one of the most polished high schoolers in a decade – but I fully respect those who would opt for a “safe, with upside” profile like Arnold, Witherspoon or Anderson. Even perhaps “unsafe with upside” types like Doyle.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I actually like all of those college arms you listed more than Doyle.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago

As do I. Though there’s of course a 10-15% chance Doyle becomes a Crochet-esque ace for 2-3 years, and everyone says, I told ya!

But risk-wise, I’d rather go Hernandez or Holliday, or go deep discount with Neville/Fischer, and spread around the bets to high school bats elsewhere in the draft.

I think the Angels have plenty of fireballing relievers up and down the system, so the Doyle play is a bit stale at this point – we’re overweight in that demo. Let’s try something else.

cookmeister
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1 day ago
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if you’re going deep discount, I’d prefer someone with a little more of a hit tool (and some defense in the case of Fischer).

Someone like Kilen, Taylor, maybe even Belyeu

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
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Belyeu has seen significant regression this season in chase/whiff, and he’s rocking a 23% K rate – for a guy who projects to hit maybe 15-20 HRs at a corner OF position, that’s not great. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him fall into the 50-80 range.

Kilen is an option, but his glove has been problematic for a likely 2b, and in terms of Taylor, I think there are going to be equivalent talents available in the 2nd or 3rd rounds – guys like Max Williams or perhaps Gavin Turley (more power over hit, but that’s what the Angels need right now).

As for Fischer, he’s a statcast darling with the best barrel rate and exit velocities among D1 hitters – even if he’s a 1B, the Angels have nothing like him in the system, basically a Michael Busch comp who will likely hit for the same average as Schanuel, but much, much more power. His contact this year is much improved – his K rate is down to 14%, which is excellent for a mashing first baseman with an OBP near .500.

Would I prefer that to come at 3B or in an OF corner? Yes. But for a system as deprived of corner power as LAA is, it’s still a justifiable reach.

Angelz4ever
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1 day ago

That first sentence should read:

Arte will not pay be able to sucker a topline pitcher to play for the Angels even if he’s willing to pay the going rate in free agency.

Angelz4ever
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1 day ago

Without demonstrating that the Angels can do more than be perennial MLB fodder no frontline FA will ever sign to play in Anaheim. Even when we had Trout and Ohtani we saw the “…all in on [Insert player name who rejected Halos offer]” every D@mn season.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Knowing how much Arte hates the Dodgers, and for that reason alone, I hope the Angels get crushed in all three games. Arte needs public humiliation for the state of the franchise.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago

You don’t mean that. It’s always beat the Dodgers. But that won’t matter when Sho styles all over us for the next 3 games lol

Angelz4ever
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1 day ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Former employee #17 will go deep only twice in the series and that will be off one of our relievers.

PedroCerrano
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1 day ago

Just the normal 20 lashes public flogging while yoked or were you thinking something more medieval?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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The Iron Maiden

Roy Hobbs
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1 day ago

No, “HMS The Raging Queen”. Your namesake was the captain.

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GrandpaBaseball
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1 day ago

Rain locker bound then long drive down the hill to visit ticker Dr., everybody have a great day today, the Doyers won’t as they got a weekends worth of hits yesterday. de Grom appears to have reappeared as a force to be reckoned with. Yikes.

grichmanpoorman
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1 day ago

If the Halos do take Arquette (bleh) what do they potentially save on that pick, in terms of slot money? Maybe a couple million? The slot is $10 million and Arquette is generally ranked as the No. 5-10 prospect in the draft ($6-8 million). Seems like he could be enticed for the high end of that.

My preference: They roll the dice on Hernandez. Snooze the overslot method in 2025.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 day ago

One advantage of taking Arquette is his control, while he is not 100mph type, if he develops other pitches with having control, he will be a valuable pitcher in someone rotation. You can’t teach control; it’s something that smart kids teach themselves as they grow tired of giving up walks.

Pineapple12
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1 day ago

Arquette isn’t a pitcher, GP

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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I’m sure GP meant that Arquette’s throws from SS show great control and are well under 100 MPH when they reach first base. He’ll be valuable as a pitcher when he “Brandon Woods” against major league pitching. 😂

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Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago

You thinking Arnold, Grandpa?

GrandpaBaseball
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1 day ago
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I just pulled a Biden this morning, sorry.

PedroCerrano
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1 day ago

Wasn’t that what they said about Detmers and Canning. #2/3 starter ceiling with a high floor?

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
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And that’s what they remain. Canning is pitching at that ceiling now, and Detmers pitched at that ceiling in ’22 before taking a step back.

Much as Canning was correctable, with better emphasis on his secondaries, I think Detmers is also correctable. It’s just unlikely that the Angels are the team to do it.

PedroCerrano
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1 day ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Good observations, but expecting the Angels to do more with same type of prospects next time may be a fools errand. I’d opt for guys with the right frame and pure stuff with pitchers as that’s harder to screw up.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago
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Canning and Detmers have pretty classic pitcher’s frames and easy, repeatable deliveries – why both were rated as first round talents when drafted.

Can you be more specific about who you’re contrasting them with, as I think Arnold, Anderson and Witherspoon are similar talents / profiles as those guys. I don’t think giving up on polished college pitching because of volatility in the Angels development system is an answer.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 day ago
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I think otherwise and here is why, players with a higher ceiling even being younger, means possibly they may make out because of talent level. It is sad what we have done to draft picks and youth that has been traded for has really cost this team greatly thru the years of the powers to be not having enough knowledge of how to run a MLB team.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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This CAN work, though I don’t want it to. It’s how the Pirates got Bubba Chandler. Thing is, I don’t see the point. There are a ton of good college players we’d be picking if we want, maybe through round 4 or 5. There isn’t really a need to entice a high school kid with money, not even really a college underclassman we’d need to overpay. It would make sense if say Roch Cholowsky (3B UCLA) was a draft eligible sophomore or something. But they don’t really need to bulk buy kids.

I assume you know this, but I’ll just remind everyone cause it seems like 2/3 of people don’t know it, Arte doesn’t get to keep the money he doesn’t spend from his draft pool. So he’s not gonna be cheap and evil just so he can pay for gold plated slippers in the office. If they “go under slot” on an early draft pick to save money it’s to try and spend the savings on a kid with options down draft…. and I’m not really sure they need to do that this year, they have a nice pile of pool money.

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago

I’m going to disagree on one point here – I think the deep part of this draft is actually the high school position player demographic. Tons of projectable shortstops, and a lot of 3B/RF power bats.

Rather than try to lard up AA with more fringey senior signs and power-over-hit collegiates, exacerbating the current whiff tendencies in the upper minors, it would be completely defensible for Angels, with the third largest draft pool and an extra pick, to sample more from the prep kids – grab a couple in the top five rounds, and another at #11-12, buying out a few with $2-3M commitments.

My own preference would be a mix of both, with a bias toward offense and power over pitching in this class.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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This wouldn’t be the end of the world. It’s not like the kids we draft this July should be counted on for anything in 2026-27. I am actually not a big believer that they will draft guys with the intention of having them up the next month. They could draft a pile of kid kids and roll the dice on getting a couple studs in four years and I’d be OK with it…. just don’t know if anyone else has the patience.

But if we went Hernadez #1 and a guy like Belyeu with pick 2 and I’d be happy….

Turk's Teeth
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1 day ago

I have a hard time seeing the Angels extract much of a discount from Arquette – maybe they get him discounted to $8M.

He’s the consensus top college hitter, and top five ranked on most lists (MLB Pipeline, BA, The Athletic). He’s in play at #1, in an unsettled class where none of the top dozen names really separate themselves. (ESPN has Arquette among eight 50 FV players at the top of the board.)

That said, even $8M is pricey for Arquette, given he’d probably go in the teens in a stronger draft class. I tend to agree with Kiley McDaniel: “He has plus raw power and is performing well (albeit against slightly lesser competition), so he is being mentioned in conversations all over the top 10, but has more in common with Braden Montgomery (12th overall pick last year) or Christian Moore (eighth overall pick) than the top college position players who went in the top seven picks of last year’s draft (Jac Caglianone, Nick Kurtz, Charlie Condon and J.J. Wetherholt).”

Moore and Montgomery both went for $5M last draft, so paying Arquette north of eight for a similar offensive profile seems like a tough sell. I’m more of the mind that, if the team really wants to go deep discount, maybe they should just grab one of the power bats – Mason Neville or Andrew Fischer – who are going to otherwise go at #20-40, well before their second-round pick – and then spread the savings around on the deep prep bat class.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 day ago

So, now Washington is on a Holliday, now get back to work 😀 . Wishing that the Halos had 3 or 4 picks in the upcoming draft. I like preps Hernandez and Carlson (glove, I love infield defense). Yo Mr. Minasian, how has taking college pitching working out for you in the long run? There are some prep studs coming up this year.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Canning is working out very well………..for the Mets

cookmeister
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1 day ago

the Angels have 21 picks this draft so, you’re in luck grandpa

Angelz4ever
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1 day ago
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20 pitchers plus…….

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