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The Angels finally won their 50th game of the season Tuesday night in Houston. That was due to another pitching gem, this time by Klassen. Just in time for Kikuchi to come back…

Reminder that Jo Adell has 2 promos the rest of the season. They will still be given out, unlike some teams which throw them away.

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Football season already? No, it is the Mariners being losers. Brewers shut them out 22-0.

Seriously, the Mariners were comedic, with Julio allowing 2 runs by forgetting how many outs there were. AL West is a joke.

Jo Adell found his power in Ohio. A massive 455 foot home run.

Dodgers are so rich they can allow their bad players to go on the IL and get fixed and not care. Like Diaz with a “back” issue.

Murakami broke the Cubs jumbotron. Well, killed a few pixels, but still.

A reminder that MLB players are like the rest of us. Sometimes. Because the White Sox rookies had to go get the team coffee.

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Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago

Baseball America has been quite generous in the past 24 hours, profiling three Angels prospects, and placing two – Hayden Alvarez and Talon Haley – just outside the Top 100. Alvarez should probably be there now. Separately, they caught Jared Grindlinger on a bad day, but the scout admitted it was a tough game to get an informative look from.

I’ll share the Alvarez and Haley takes below.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
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https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/bridge-league-hayden-alvared-jared-grindlinger/

Hayden Alvarez Stands Out

It was an exciting outfield with Hayden Alvarez in center and Jared Grindlinger in right. Alvarez, No. 3 on Angels Top 30, looked like a Top 100 prospect. I love the body, the athleticism, and the hands. He is a well-proportioned quick-twitch mover who looks smooth at everything on a baseball field. It’s a special profile because he is likely to stick in center and also has big offensive upside. I didn’t get a run time, but it’s probably plus, and Alvarez gets out of the box well. A few balls were hit his way in center. One was back overhead, and he circled around to make a throw to the cutoff man with solid arm strength, an easy arm action and a quick release. Later in the game, he ranged into the right-center field gap, darting forward to make the play and set himself up for another quality throw. Alvarez reaches top gear quickly and has impressive closing speed in the outfield. 

On the offensive side, a couple of swings stood out. Naimer Rosario, a soft-tossing lefty from the Diamondbacks ACL squad, was working Alvarez away. Alvarez kept his hands inside and went with it. That swing resulted in a grounder to first, but it was good to see barrel control to work oppo with intent, rather than trying to pull it when attacked outer half. Later in the game, Modesto Vargas came in pumping 97-99 mph, and Alvarez dropped the barrel on a first-pitch fastball for a hard hit double. It’s an elastic-y, aesthetically pleasing righty swing. Alvarez has a medium leg kick for timing, and also uses it to close slightly, then uncorks with explosive hip rotation and quick hands. He gets his full kinetic chain behind swings and never looks like he’s selling out for power. I missed the 2025 ACL, so this was my first exposure to Alvarez; he lived up to prospect hype and then some. 

FungoAle
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1 month ago
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Hayden is off to a slow start at Tri-City, not surprising and he missed some time. I expect him to get rolling a bit over the next couple weeks as the season comes to a close.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

It’s a six game sample in a pitcher’s league that suppresses offense. He was out of action for a week and a half due to visa issues (Tri-City had a series in Vancouver).

Wouldn’t read much into it – even in this tiny sample, he’s walking more than he’s striking out, with a 15% K rate. Not exactly being overpowered yet.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
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Good, a visa issue is better than an injury

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
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https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/5-late-season-rising-mlb-prospects-with-top-100-potential-in-2026/

5 Late-Season Rising MLB Prospects With Top 100 Potential In 2026

Talon Haley, LHP, Angels
  • Current System Rank: No. 9

Haley didn’t have the typical amateur experience, as he had Tommy John surgery and was diagnosed with Hodgkin lymphoma in 2022, which he overcame later in the year after going through chemotherapy. In 2024, he injured his elbow again and had internal brace surgery, which meant he hardly pitched heading into his draft year. Still, he showed intriguing stuff that season and was seen as a potential top-three-round talent in the 2025 draft. He fell to the Angels in the 12th round, where he signed for a well-overslot bonus of $897,500. 

Haley didn’t pitch after signing and has spent all of 2026 with Low-A Rancho Cucamonga, where he has a 4.68 ERA and 1.40 WHIP in 82.2 innings with 112 strikeouts and 43 walks. Though his numbers outside of the strikeouts don’t jump off the page, evaluator feedback has been very strong.

Haley gets above-average extension in his delivery at just under 6.7 feet, and his fastball velocity has ticked up considerably in pro ball. He now averages just under 94 mph and tops out at 97.3 after sitting 90-94 as an amateur. The pitch jumps on hitters thanks to a combination of ride and run, and it has an above-average whiff rate. His 65% strike rate is solid, as well, especially given his delivery still needs some refinement. At times, he can get out of sync, and he’ll leave his arm out, causing him to miss up and to the arm side. When he’s in sync, however, he’s extremely difficult to hit. 

Haley’s secondaries are also impressive, with all flashing above-average potential and bat-missing ability. He uses a high-spin slider with slurvy break the most, and it has a whiff rate above 40%. Some evaluators, however, think Haley’s changeup has the most long-term potential even though he’s only using it around 11% of the time right now. He shows confidence in the pitch and throws it with similar arm speed to his fastball with considerable late fade. He has a solid feel for it and can locate it competitively, so hitters chase it at a high rate. Haley’s sweeper sits in the same velocity band as his slider, but it has considerably more horizontal break and less depth. He throws it less than 5% of the time, but it has a high whiff rate, and hitters have struggled to do any damage against it.

Haley’s frame is already filled out, but he’s an athletic lefthander with a quick arm and the potential for four above-average-to-plus offerings. He has midrotation potential, albeit with relief risk due to the effort in his delivery. Trending up in a rapidly improving Angels system, with a strong finish to the season, Haley could position himself to jump into the Top 100.

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cookmeister
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1 month ago
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Haley reminds me of a Snell/Fried combo.

Obviously not saying he will turn into them. But the arsenal and mannerisms remind me a lot of those two

jco
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jco
1 month ago
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FWIW, Fangraphs has Alvarez in the top 100 now at #55. They’re less optimistic about him sticking in center I think.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
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Yep, FG has been ahead of the curve on Alvarez for a year or more. I’m frankly surprised that BA has not elevated him to Top 100 status yet, as they’ve profiled him multiple times, and have little reason not to.

I think the FG capsule on Alvarez is a bit stale (from Jan/Feb of this year) and he’s answered a lot of questions about his defense since that time. Even then, they were in the “we can see it working, but no sure thing” camp re: CF.

cookmeister
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1 month ago

been a while ladies and gents. I’m an educator, so I’ve been on summer break and don’t really catch up here (mostly because I don’t have a computer at home).

Obviously the season has not gone the way anyone wanted.

Trade deadline was fun. I was not the biggest fan of the Soriano deal, but that’s mostly because I’m not as high on Nimmala as publications are.

I’ve been able to go to quite a few Quakes games this summer. Talon Haley has been a revelation. I expect his name to be top 100, or at least in the discussion. Davalillo cracks me up. He is so large (he and I share a dietary plan), yet he’s still pretty flexible and nimble. If he loses 20ish pounds, I think he could be a real stud.

Speaking of studs, Hayden Alvarez has been great, and Kevyn Castillo always stood out every game I’ve gone to.

Kind of a bummer than Advincula broke his nose in AZ and hasn’t been able to play affiliate ball. Maybe he will get a crack the last couple weeks.

grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago
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I’ve always viewed Nimmala as overrated, as well. Having seen a little more of him lately… strikes me as not dissimilar from Neto. Good power for SS, iffy bat-to-ball, solid arm but not super rangy.

I remember thinking the same thing about Davalillo during ST. A bit like the proverbial hippo in a tutu. But it’s easier to have that carriage and remain nimble at 19 than, say, 22. He needs to lose it or he’s going to have a short career.

grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago

Maduro is the other (former) RC guy who seems to be flying under the radar a little. Cracked two dongs yesterday in Tri-City.

cookmeister
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1 month ago

yup, forgot about Maduro. Good call.

Really impressed with Lackhart too, after a few years of his walk rate being HORRIBLE, seems’ like he’s found a nice groove.

Back to Nimmala, I don’t necessarily see the Neto comparison. I think he’s a good defender. He has power but his opposite field approach and not selling out for power is vastly different than Neto.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
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I don’t really see the Neto comp myself, either.

I’m a little surprised at folks that cast Nimmala as overrated, since we’re literally talking about a 20 year old in AA, a kid drafted at a very young 17, who was, and is, a development project. He’s hitting about 20% better than league average where the competition is 3-4 years his senior.

I see a really simple and efficient swing, and a guy starting to get to above-average power at a key spot, where he has smooth hands and a gun across the diamond. He’s already made a couple jaw-dropper plays in this debut with the Pandas.

cookmeister
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1 month ago
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Not saying he’s overrated, just that I’m not as high on him as others are.

I like his game, and yes he’s very young for the competition.

Just have to be patient with him

grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago
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Neto made a jaw-dropper last night, too.

“Overrated,” in the sense that he’s never batted higher than .238 over his first three years of professional ball, and yet remained an MLB Top 50 prospect? I don’t think that’s out-of-bounds.

I actually like him a little more now that I’ve seen him. And I like that he’s batting .261 this year. But no I don’t see superstar potential in him. I see a shortstop with above average power, good-but-not-great speed, a hit tool that, yes, he does appear to sell out a little bit for power, sturdy lower body… yada yada. Neto-like.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago
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I haven’t been on a computer to use this site/HH since 2006 lol

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Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
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Glad to see you. And happy you’re getting some time at the ballpark.

I need to make some minor league games.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
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One more Quake home series or can see the team at the Ontario new park first week of September to finish out the season. That went by fast.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago

Anyone seeing point break in the theaters today? I was too young when it was released the first time.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago

I saw it in theaters back in the 90s because I’m old like that.

I’m not normally a summer or action movie guy but I love the old school Point Break.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago
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The reason I ask is because it’s the 30th anniversary and they’re doing select movie theater releases. A random poster at the 49ers blog I read mentioned his dad wrote that movie and varsity blues. Pretty cool fact I didn’t know.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago

30th? Damn I’m old.

BannedInLA
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1 month ago

I’m waiting for the rental price on Amazon Prime to drop below $10.00 so that I can finally watch “Back Rooms”…..

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago
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I enjoyed it. 7.7/10

Texan44
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1 month ago

Yes — MLB Lockout Happens -75.0%
No — MLB Avoids Lockout – 23.5%

Vegas says 2027 starting on time is not looking good.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
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2027 is likely to be a lost season unless the owners cave. The owners are committed to the salary cap being the key to the future health of the league. The players are united against it. The issue is so dividing that I just don’t see it being resolved in 2027.

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
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I am surprised that the union doesn’t have enough support for it. A salary cap only really hurts the elite elite players. A cap + a significant enough floor would raise average salary for most players. What the owners are proposing would benefit more players than it would hurt.

Is the union controlled by the Ohtanis of the league or something?

I guess that is typical union behavior. The people at the top get fat while it generally does not make life better for the vast majority of the people it allegedly represents.

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Fansince1971
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1 month ago
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I fully agree. The raised floor would benefit way more players than the cap would affect.

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jco
1 month ago
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It completely depends. The union wants the highest average payroll it can get because that will yield the highest average salary. I haven’t studied the numbers enough to know, but I assume that the owners think their proposal with caps and floors will yield a lower salary than the current system and the players have concluded the opposite.

it probably ultimately depends on the final numbers. There’s probably a floor and a cap that would be beneficial to players, but owners won’t go for it.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
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Keep in mind the union reps are almost exclusively long tenured veterans who prioritize free agent money over minimum wage and minor league conditions.

There is a major “I paid my dues” culture inside of baseball. This union is less about caring for all of its members and more about caring for the top guys. Kind of like the US in general right now.

Charles Sutton
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1 month ago
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The guy who took over after Tony Clark is kind of a hardliner as I recall.

Jimmuscomp
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1 month ago
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Maybe if ownership actually opened their books we could make this type statement. But until those numbers are public – no way you can know that a cap helps more than suppresses salaries.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
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Bingo.

I do fully believe there is a way to create a floor that adds more to the player pool than a cap takes away. But determining the size of that pool is only possible with transparency.

I’ve worked with the same guys for over 15 years. We have a predetermined split on each deal and I see the total revenue on each deal. Makes like really easy.

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
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That’s fair. Hard for us to judge if the math is mathing or not when we haven’t seen the numbers.

I do believe there could be a cap+floor solution that is better for all players on average, but we don’t know if that’s what the owners have put on the table.

I hope logic prevails and the players realize that the most lucrative sports league in the world functions with a pretty strict salary cap. I realize that’s not the only reason the NFL is popular, but I do think that year-to-year parity keeps it from getting stale.

milehigh
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1 month ago
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NFL shares revenue from national broadcasts and merchandise equally with all teams. Teams cannot create their own RSN to broadcast. The NFL salary cap is the players share of the revenue divided equally among all the teams.

MLB doesn’t have revenue sharing among all teams divided equally. So even if a cap/floor comes what changes? The teams who own their own broadcast networks will still have the advantage. I think.
Maybe I should clarify, all revenues that teams can make is not equally shared.

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TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
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That’s a really good point too. I wonder if the interest just isn’t there from the major networks to carry games the way they do with the NFL, so there isn’t a revenue cash cow opportunity.

Silly networks. Can’t be getting in the way of that prime time programming that nobody watches anymore.

Marcotor
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1 month ago
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So that 48%of local revenues that every team sends to MLB, which is then added to national rights and licensing fees, etc. and distributed equally among all 30 teams isn’t sharing?

Cause it sure sounds like it. Maybe not the NFL model, but giving up 48% of all local revenue (tickets, concessions/parking, tv/radio, etc.) is a pretty decent chunk.

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There absolutely will be a lockout in 2027. The major issue with a salary cap will be difficult to bridge, given how entrenched the parties seem to be. This does not feel like simple posturing at this point in time. The serious negotiations likely won’t even begin until February or March 2027.

Charles Sutton
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1 month ago

They all have elected the way of pain.

dontbatvlad4th
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1 month ago
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I just wish deferrals would be killed. But neither side wants this to happen. Bring on the lockout so both groups can eat it.

Texan44
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1 month ago

I am hoping for a positive game from GRod tonight to join the “Young Lions”. Critical for him is first pitch strikes and both curve/slider start letter high. When the batters see the “hump” in his off speed, they know immediately 84 mph curve/slider or too high fastball.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I am happy to see Adell enjoying a post season race on a team I like while Cozart has himself a nice day for the Pandas.

I was really happy to watch Klassen last night. Watched the whole start. Watched him handle some scary veteran Astros. Watched him look really excited but not forget how to pitch. Gives me some hope. Who’s the next Angels arm that wants to start figuring it out?

Man. I just really hate the Dodgers. You want to see how great a cleaner money is? From 2021-2022 the Doyers paid the stunning and brave David Price 64 million dollars for 113 innings of work. We’d still be bitching about this like Perry set our child on fire. That’s multiple Solers. The Dodgers just go buy Glasnow…. also injury prone… then Snell, also injury prone… OK Skubal. They NEED a closer #2 cause just having Tanner Scott gives them the sads and Diaz is “hurt”.

I’m not saying the Dodgers aren’t well run, clearly they are. But I’m a little sick of the bullshit. You know what makes them well run? Being able to slather any problem they have in a healthy dose of cash lube. Other orgs, their massive mistakes would mean that less money is spent paying international scouts, development staff, nutrition experts, additional Cy Young award winners, spare all-stars etc etc etc. Truth is, if you actually pick the Dodgers FO apart the way you would, say….. anyone associated with your stepdad Arte, you’d see a bunch of moves that sucked and would have absolutely crippled other well run teams. A spare couple hundred million dollars creates a lot of genius.

The Angels stadium lease ends in six years. Just saying. It takes a while to build a stadium. Maybe get on that if you intend to stay here?

CAoldskoll
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1 month ago

Great perspective on the hated Blue cash cow. Many applaud them as such a well run organization but how good would it be if they didn’t have unlimited funds to invest in every asset? Would be fun to watch Dodger nation squirm with the Tucker/Diaz contracts if there was a salary cap. Big FU to Spectrum creating this beast. Pay them 8 billion for rights, and then 340 mil a year for exclusive broadcast?? A bad decision for them, can’t turn a profit, thought everyone in LA would jump on board but streaming and less cable customers scratched that. Compare that money to the like 10 teams loss of TV revenue when Bally crashed, it’s simply not fair. MLB needs to share broadcast money and get rid of exclusive contracts.

milehigh
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1 month ago
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MLB does share the money from national TV/broadcast revenue. When you get to local RSN/TV revenue that is also shared but not quite equally. The big problem is with team owned networks like what the Cubs, Yankees, and so on own. MLB sees those as business investments and not team revenue. That is where, or one of the where’s, that the playing field is not level.

I think MLBPA will never talk about a cap without a fix for revenue sharing. I can’t blame them on this point. Imho, and I’m always wrong because of limited knowledge, but unless the owners figure out revenue sharing to equalize the teams the ’27 season isn’t going anywhere.

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1 month ago
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The Dodgers have a MASSIVE carve out with their TV revenue. They do not contribute nearly the same percentage other teams do. It essentially hands them a quarter billion dollar advantage over the Yankees and others every year.

milehigh
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1 month ago
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IIRC, the Dodgers are a special case because of a MLB or court decision some years back? At any rate, I think the revenue issue is bigger than cap/floor, or will be in time.

Another thought is that possibly the current contract is extended a year or two so that MLB can figure the new broadcast methods in ’29 and beyond.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
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yes. I’ll link it in weekend links.

Texan44
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1 month ago
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https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Revenue_sharing

I don’t know how “revenue” is calculated, but this article says every team gets $200 Million +/-. I find this hard to believe when you look at how much money is spent by Dodgers, Yankees, and especially Mets.

milehigh
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1 month ago
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Tried to edit earlier but it didn’t save.
I wonder if the owners or MLBPA would eventually try to get current CBA extended through 2028 season so MLB can renegotiate the media contracts. In the meantime the owners figure out real revenue sharing.

RexFregosi
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1 month ago

It’s incredible where Ben Joyce was just three months ago and where he is now.

Shoulder surgery? I never expected him to be back, especially this year.

Now he looks elite. Wow.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Yup. another positive. Post shoulder surgery I was fairly sure he’d be greatly diminished. But the PT gods were kind to our Ben.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago

He definitely didn’t miss the gym while rehabilitating

FungoAle
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1 month ago
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I as well. He’s looking Mason Miller-ish. Imagine the returns.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 month ago

!966 in the American League was not fun for the Red Sox in that they finished last in the standings despite having Yaz and Tony C. and Petrocelli at shortstop. They just did not have starting pitching or much of a bullpen. Over the Winter the Red Sox brought in a new manager just standing what would be a long MLB run, but now he had to work with a lot of yuts like Reggie Smith a gifted outfielder, George Scoot another gifted hitter and great glove at first base, Joe Foy the brand new third basemen, new second basemen and he, Mike Andrews would share 2b with an older veteran Jerry Adair. Pitching added 2 veterans Ray Culp and Dick Ellsworth and Williams laid down the law. Yastrzemski had one of the greatest years ever winning the triple crown and MVP, Jim Longborg won the CYA with 22 wins and Tony C. was playing great baseball until he met up with a certain Jack Hamilton in another sad story that we will skip over for now. In 1967 the Red Sox represented the American League in the World Series. Boston had a tough manager who got rid of a bunch of lazy vets to be replaced with hungry kids and off they went to have a magical season. Well it occurred to me last night lying in bed what an exciting team the Angels could be in ’27/’28 with the yuts. Detmers the vet in pitching and Trout leading the charge in the line up with Neto (playing the part of Tony C.) Could happen you know, so let’s hope for a miracle like that or the ’69 Mets. 😆 

BTW-IN that 1967 season with about 7 weeks in the season left there were the Red Sox, Twins, Tigers, White Sox and Angels in a close pennant race and with each team having a say in who would go right up to the last day of the year in the AL.

Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago

The problem is that we don’t have anywhere near the position player talent that team had or a prime time Yaz.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago

Hey how did we acquire Klassen?

Dumb Perry!

HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago
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50-76

Fansince1971
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1 month ago

Thats Organizational failure. You can’t blame one guy.

HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago
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He was amazing. He got Klassen. You are right. Most brilliant GM in baseball. Why did we get rid of him?

Fansince1971
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1 month ago

Not saying that. Just saying I don’t think he was as awful as he is made out to be in this emotion-charged wilderness. He was a pawn in Arte’s game. And despite his huge obstacles actually did some things decently well. I don’t think he is deserving of the flaming pitchforks we see around here.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

He deserves all the criticism he gets, he earned it.

HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago
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You didn’t mention Loup, Tapera, Stephenson, Soler and a plethora of other moves. He sure could pick em.

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Fansince1971
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1 month ago

Keep in mind that he was working under severe budgetary restrictions, inherited zero farm and many free agents do not want to play in Anaheim under the Arte regime. So his hands were pretty tied.

I’m not saying he was good but it was a very difficult situation in which to shine.

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The farm was rated higher when he started the job (17th) than when he left it. He managed to simultaneously ruin both the major league roster and the farm.

I don’t think the free agent thing was an issue until Perry destroyed the team. Remember, we were able to land some major players like Pujols, Rendon, Ohtani, etc.

I agree that he did SOME good things, like getting the pitching lab built and finding some decent arms deeper in the draft that are at least showing potential now. But overall, he was well below average.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
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Pujols was 2013 at the end of the golden decade. It does not apply. Rendon was pure Arte overspend from the years when free agents would come to Anaheim because Arte was spending like a drunken sailor. Ohtani chose Anaheim bc of the DH. If that had been adopted in the NL at the time, he would have chosen the Dodgers.

By the time Perry came along, Arte had been burning through cash with nothing to show for it. So Perry was given very different marching orders and opportunities once the money spigot was turned off. .

And the Angels farm was rated #17 mostly on the strength of Adell who was the #4 prospect in all of baseball when Perry was hired.

Ps – not a Perry apologist but just feel the record should be clear.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Brianna? Is that you?

HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago

You’ll have to explain that one to me.

woody-over-my-head
HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

On August 21, 1979, playing for the Seattle Mariners, Mario Mendoza absolutely crushed a home run against the Milwaukee Brewers off pitcher Mike Caldwell.

The real joke here is that the ball traveled so far and with such immense, majestic force that the stadium scientists actually had to recalibrate the metric system—because Mario Mendoza didn’t just hit a home run, he shattered the physical boundaries of what a baseball bat is capable of doing. Rumor has it the ball still hasn’t landed, and the only reason it didn’t count for ten runs on the scoreboard is because the umpires were too stunned by his sheer offensive dominance to find their clickers.

This is evidence that Mario was one of the best hitters to ever dawn an MLB uniform.

Whoops. It was inside the park, never mind.

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Fansince1971
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1 month ago

First, if that happened last night with an Angel this site would be today declaring Mendoza a promising young player and that he needs to play every day.

Second – Perry had many successes and the future may just show him to be way better than any of us previously thought. I think you really can’t judge him for a few more seasons to see how the drafts turn out. That said – the Bremmer pick is one that sticks in my craw.

All of this said – he had to go and it was time to move on. I’m just saying he wasn’t the devil incarnate he is made out to be here.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I don’t see him as the devil incarnate – and I will say – “that was a good move” when it works – but he missed on too many. I’m glad we have someone in charge right now that seems to know what he is doing. If you win on 40% of your trades – not good at all. If you win on 60% – that’s pretty good. The Angels record and steady decline is explainable.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago

Well it did not help that Trout (post $400+ million contract), Pujols and Rendon ended up being complete wastes of resources. That hurt this team tremendously. And those were pure Arte resulting in the pocketbook being substantially reduced.

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TrojanBoiler
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I agree with you on this. There were some cashflow limitations due to bloated contracts signed by previous GMs that he always had to navigate around.

But he still did a pretty terrible job with the money he did spend. Estevez and Iglesias might be the only two good free agents he signed in 6 years.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Jansen was good as well. There were others. He did okay in that metric given the handcuffs he was wearing.

My biggest criticism and, ironically my greatest optimism, is the drafts. Those are still pending ultimate judgment.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Good call on Jansen too.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

I think any time we talk about cash flow limitations, you have to just look at the standings, and you’re suddenly holding the beer of teams like Tampa, Milwaukee, Cleveland and the White Sox.

Even with all the lardo contracts, Minasian had similar draft position to those teams, six years of runway, and equivalent or better capital reserves.

Moreno was a devil, but Minasian was his willing accomplice, and a mediocre GM. That Moz could have so much impact in two months flat shows what could’ve been done with more resume, experience and force of personality.

That we have to point to this and that pretty tree in the darkest of forests just reinforces the familiar truism “the exceptions that prove the rule”.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

His tenure started 6 years ago and the team has gotten worse and worse during that time, including several of the worst seasons in team history at the back end of his tenure. I think the evaluation period has more than arrived and the results are not good.

Texan44
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Of little importance but I was in Monterrey, NL, Mexico a few years back. Went to the Mexican Baseball Hall of Fame and Guess Who is in the Hall?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Professional_Baseball_Hall_of_Fame

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Mendoza

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Texan44

Awesome.  😎 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Ooof. See, you’d think that making a statement like this is fairly shoulder shrug simple. Yes, clearly not EVERY thing Perry did was bad. OK, fine.

Little did you know that this statement is similar to other crazy ass statements like “Human meat is really just protein in the end.” and “If you’re gonna vote in a country’s elections you should probably have some proof you are a citizen of that country.”

You’re an animal.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago

Just an awful person for sure. Perry and I should be banished. 😉

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Super G-damned fun Rocket City box score last night:
https://www.milb.com/gameday/shuckers-vs-trash-pandas/2026/08/18/817677/final/box

• Gordon lights out again. Maybe see him in Anaheim in Sept?
• Nimmala jack.
• Cozart also jack. Of all the deadline pickups, he’s been the most impressive.

Pineapple12
Legend
1 month ago

Detmers, Wally, and now Klassen. Who knew developing starting pitching was so easy

jco
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jco
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If you squint, you can see the foundation for a good pitching staff. It’s the Angels, so it won’t develop, but still.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  jco

Why U juju sad donkey?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

The best part: Detmers age 27, Klassen age 24, Walbert age 22.

steelgolf
Legend
1 month ago

Klassen took a huge step yesterday and looks to be a gem. It reminds me of my conversation with a couple of guys in a restaurant in Cooperstown the week before Ichiro was inducted. These guys were New Yorkers, one was a reporter, and the first name he brought up was Klassen. He told me the kid had an immense amount of talent and that if he stays healthy, he will be a really a really good pitcher in an MLB rotation.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

He so reminds me a little of Detmers early on. One game lights out, one game he can’t spot his secondary so they can tee off on him. Can have control issues – can get hit, but can be shut down. Looked fantastic last night. It’s going to take some patience in my opinion.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
1 month ago

The on/off games is pattern most rookie pitchers go through. Using game scores, Klassen’s first five starts has yielded a 43, 27, 49, 58 and 70. Frank Tanana went 35, 74, 33, 91 and 57 for his first 5, Mike Witt went 35, 49, 83, 60 and 31 while Chuck Finley went 35, 41, 37, 60 and 68. Of course, Klassen pitched significantly fewer innings, but I think the point stands. I look forward to seeing what he’ll produce over his career.

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