Angels Don’t Blow it in Series Finale vs Brewers

Last day before the trade deadline, and the Angels do not even play tomorrow, so it is the last we may see of some players. Or, maybe not, as besides the O’Hoppe/Silseth trade to TEXAS, there hasn’t been any Angels trades despite quite a few things happening by now. And with how the Dogers got Skubal, some teams may not even try. We know of at least one FO person who is in “give up all hope mode”.

Anyway, what was important was that this was a Urena start against the best pitcher in Baseball. Miz throws more 100 MPH pitches than anyone in MLB history, and the Angels do not exactly score much already, so everything had to go just right for even a ghost of a chance this afternoon.

How did he do? Well, he went 6 innings, giving up 0 runs on 3 hits, striking out 7 and walking 3. Urena NEEDS ROY votes, he has been phenomenal on this pathetic team.

7K

Meanwhile, Meckler continued to carry the 2nd best OPS on the team by launching a home run off of Miz. He should play more, and Kurt is a bad manager for not doing so. Maybe Soler can get traded already.

The MECK

Highlighted Recap

Wade Meckler took Miz deep for a 2 run shot in the 2nd.

2-0 Angels

This was a real pitchers duel, with great defense as well, like this out of nowhere catch by the Brewers.

Unfortunately, Angels had to go to the bullpen in the 7th, meaning 9 outs for these guys. And while they did try to blow it, with bad throws, bad pitches, and bad management, the Angels somehow got 6 of those outs with Murphy, Bachman, and Zeferjahn.

Escaped a jam

But, just to be safe, the Angels scored one more on an errant throw that pulled the 1B off the bag.

3-0 Angels

Now, the real question was who was gonna get this save? Zeferjahn would also pitch the 9th! Maybe, maybe this will work out? And it did. Somehow, someway, the Angels did not blow it. They won their first game since last Sunday, and again ending on a bad strike 3 call! HAHAHA!

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No game tomorrow, trade deadline at 3PM instead. next game Tuesday at Baltimore. Time to see Taylor Ward again.

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GonFishin
Trusted Member
9 days ago

If the trade proposals are not satisfactory, then we should hold. The big 3 trade pieces all have years of control, and in Neto’s case, would not be available at their highest value. No need to settle for lottery tickets outside of the top 100 when Soriano, Detmers, and Neto all have potential to be long term assets to the club still.

I do think at least 1 pitcher gets moved, suspect Neto will stay.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  GonFishin

My personal choice would be to move Neto, keep the pitchers (if we only trade one)

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  GonFishin

A team like the Brewers will trade for Robbie Ray at a fraction of the cost Detmers or Soriano will demand. I don’t see one of these Angel arms being dealt just yet.

MikeSalmon
Super Member
9 days ago

Saw Meckler interviewed after the game and he could be the sample sociolinguists use for “regional accents for men who grew up in Orange County, California.”

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago

The Brewers need to add Soriano or Detmers to compete with the Dodgers. There is still a strong market for our players. Someone from the American League is going to be in the World Series and that team always has a chance to beat the Dodgers.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The Halos (Uncharacteristically) need to hold on for two MiLB pieces that are in fact valuable and ranked high, for each of what we trade. IMHO, Neto will be more valuable being traded possibly post-season or in ST next year.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

No one is being traded after the season until a labor agreement is reached and there will likely be no spring training next year. There may not be any baseball until 2028. At that point, Neto will only have one year of control left after the 2028 season. Hard to believe he will be worth more then. I certainly hope I’m wrong, but I believe it’s very likely.

I do have a question. Players under contract will likely get paid as part of the new agreement, but what happens to players that are under control but not under contract. They will likely get credit for a year of service but how can they be paid?

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
9 days ago

Neither Gausman or Mahle feel transformative for either club. They might still shop beyond those acquisitions.

On the other hand, there’s always the chance that the Dodgers pickup is deflationary overall to the market, dampening appetites to contend at high prices this cycle.

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

It’s probably a combination of the Dodgers and the lockout. The way teams are favoring rentals and the reports of Moz (correctly) holding the line, I expect Mize, Holmes, and Ray to be traded before Detmers and Soriano.

Hope is dwindling, buttercup is rising.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Build me up, baby

Texan44
Trusted Member
9 days ago

I would expect a couple AA or A players for anyone that the Angels trade. That seems to be the common return. Now if that return is not what the FO wants, they probably will stand pat.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

Depends on the involved team, demand and timing.

Crashing
Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

And if they do, next year’s pitching will include Soriano, Detmers, Urena, Kikuchi. Not bad.

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Crashing

Klassen would be #5, should one want to remain optimistic.

Kevin
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Crashing

Hopefully Bremner too

Biggiswrth
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9 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

What about Grayson?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

He’ll be #6?

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Crashing

GRod and Klassen too

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Crashing

There likely is no next year’s pitching. 2027 will be a lockout. in 2028, Kikuchi will be gone and Detmers and Soriano will be on expiring contracts, and after that they will be gone with no return. It’s possible we trade them in 2028 and start the rebuild then.

Texan44
Trusted Member
9 days ago

The return for Gausman (WAR 1.3 vs Soriano WAR 2.6) Cubs # 21 OF AAA and below # 30 IF A. Neither in Top 100.

Kevin
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

Gausman wasn’t pitching well either.

RexFregosi
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

Top 100 prospect baby!!!! Get excited!!!

Wait a minute. Rhett reminded us today that Hop was #86 in MLB Pipeline when we got him for Marsh so I’d hate to give up Detmers or Sorian for more of that.

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago

A lot of UFA arms have been dealt in the last 1 to 24-hrs, here is another one

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The market is revealing itself and teams don’t seem thirsty to trade top prospects for controllable players.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hSofzQURQDk

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

With the lockout, they lose a year of control.

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It sucks. I think it goes back you what you posted earlier today, teams are reluctant in giving up coveted prospects in this environment. Even if the arms are controllable. Why trade top prospects when the Dodgers locked-in their 3rd consecutive WS. Don’t blame the Braves, Cubs or Brewers for not going all-in only to get clipped by Skubal, Yamamoto and Wrableooski (or whatever his name is).

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

You forgot to add Snell and some dude named Ohtani….

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago

it’s Brewers or bust for us

steelgolf
Legend
9 days ago

Another suitor steps away. Looks like The Angels may not make any further trades. Partially due to The Dodgers move. It is going to be interesting to see what the new CBA contains in it to try and neuter The Dodgers and their deferrals.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I don’t even count the trade that was made. A long time until tomorrow at 3pm, but so far, Perry could have made no trades. Nothing is happening until after the lockout. We could be doomed for a long time, like another 5 years before we are competitive.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

The deferrals will probably grandfather, so no effect for the Dodgers in the short term.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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No trade is better than a bad trade. Perry did not have the fortitude to hold out for the best deal. We saw it when he was buying and selling.

At least one of the three (Neto, Soriano, Detmers) will be gone by the end of the deadline.

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago

I thought Adell would be one. Why try to toughen the turds with Jo? Geezus. Bachman and Zefernator too. Get rid of these guys.

If Neto, Soriano and Detmers are still an Angel come tomorrow afternoon, I can deal with it. There will come another day. I’d love to see Neto go but yes, don’t make a head scratcher.

Kevin
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The Yankees are the team that should make moves and heighten their chances of being the AL team in the WS.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago

Miz “no excuse but….” says the mound is terrible.

steelgolf
Legend
9 days ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 He blamed the mound?

MH252525
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

or maybe he just threw a bad 95mph cutter, nah could never happen.

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago

Gausman to the Cubs 😭🔫
Wake up Moz plz

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

The Chicago Cubs are acquiring right-hander Kevin Gausman in a trade with the Toronto Blue Jays, a source tells to ESPN. The Cubs have sought a playoff-caliber starting pitcher all deadline, and now they’ve landed one.

https://x.com/i/status/2084082635291144444

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Decent arm to pick up for the stretch. Jays officially tanking. Currently sitting in 6th slot.

steelgolf
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

So Cubs out on Angels pitching.

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I’m preparing an apology to AFIH because suitors for our guys keep dropping. Who’s left — Brewers, Braves and maybe the Chicago teams?

Last edited 9 days ago by Pineapple12
FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Exactly why the picked up Jameson Taillon, to backfill Gausman

milehigh
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If Moz asking price is too high and he gets rejected he still has controllable good players. As much as shiny new toys would be nice I don’t have a problem with no trades. Would like a jump start for the farm but not get players who don’t have a chance at the show.

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  milehigh

I’d normally say that controllable players usually get moved in the off-season vs deadline but this coming off-season, not too sure given the lockout.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  milehigh

I get that but if we don’t trade, we just continue with our last place team and delay moving forward. Keeping our controllable players does nothing for us. Yes we can trade them in the future but for less than now, and whoever we trade them for will not be able to help us as soon.

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

We’ll see how much of a discount Mo gives teams if he were to follow this edict. I’m sure he could make some head scratchers.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I don’t want any bad trades and I don’t believe Moz will make them. I’m just saying that if we are not able to make acceptable trades we’ve made no progress and still have our last place team. No one is trading this winter. It will be the winter of 2028 when you will be trading expiring contracts and Neto with one year left. A far less ideal environment.

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  milehigh

Can’t get behind that with the lockout

Last edited 9 days ago by Pineapple12
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That’s how I feel. Without the lockout it just delays things one year, but with the lockout, we’re two years away from even starting with less assets to trade.

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago

Astros back in the thick of it, add them to the teams that badly need pitching reinforcements. I love inner division trades, so does Mo.

milehigh
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Their farm is weak if I recall correctly.

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  milehigh

Yeah, that is true. Maybe take a shot at Cam Smith, yet to take off but competition is good.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago

Zef now tied for the team lead in saves (4)

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago

this is why I come here for news. Thanks!

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago

They would be foolish to trade Arias for Neto.
Elly or Abrams would be the targets

smithy610
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

One can hope they are that foolish

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Could be total bluff. If Angels haven’t been discussing Arias with them – a little misdirection to get them to soften their stance.

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Recognize it is not Red Sox brass but the Boston fans don’t appreciate Zach “K” Neto. It’s been hard to hide his .200 ave over the last 4-weeks.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago

We need to make this happen. I’m good one for one. But I would add to do this.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

What else do they need.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago

Trout has the 8th highest OPS in the AL and the 13th highest WAR.

Texan44
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I didn’t look up the splits but we all know it is Offensive WAR. Let the man DH.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

True

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

It’s -5 and while not good, not his worst. How’s Rada doing? Is he ready for a call up?

Kevin
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

Trout was terrific in CF the other night. His speed and agility looks good.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

I don’t think Trout thrives in a DH role – he has said he feels more connected playing OF and we need leadership/experience somewhere.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

number of players with 16 years in the majors (or less) with higher career bWAR than Trout: Zero. He’s now #31 all-time, next up Wade Boggs, then Jimmie Foxx.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
9 days ago

Plank in there too, but he is moving up. He would have to go on quite the tear to catch Beltre this season, but he is in sight.

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago

I see Wally outpitched the best pitcher in baseball. I think the rules state Wally takes over as the best!

TIME TO MAKE TRADES NOW

smithy610
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Wally has been a revelation this season! I hope he keeps it up and be a consistent #2 or #3 for years to come.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

too bad the club needs so much. Sori, Detmers, Wally are a solid core of starters.

MH252525
Super Member
9 days ago

I mean I wonder if the discussion is any different right now if we had drafted Kade. Knowing we could go into the next year with those 4 as our rotation with at least legitimate depth options for #5.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  MH252525

MLB dot com headline

“Ureña outduels Misiorowski as rookie continues showing promise”

smithy610
Super Member
9 days ago

I wish the team had been more competitive during Reid and Jose’s windows. It’s a solid pitching core, too bad everything else about this team had been horrible

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  smithy610

You are forgeting how much of Reid’s and Jose’s windows were spent being hurt or just kinda sucking.

Pineapple12
Legend
9 days ago

Yep, this is the first year where they’ve been good starters at the same time.

The real window will be led by Wally supported by his friends GRod, Klassen, Dana, Bremner

smithy610
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I attribute part of that to Maddux. That’s why I hope Reid and Jose get traded and Klassen, Dana, etc., get called up and spend some time with Mike for the next two months before we never have baseball again

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

yes, it’s like boxing. He beat the champ so now he’s the champ

LanaBanana
Super Member
9 days ago

I love the quote from Urena yesterday when Erica interviewed him and asked him about pitching opposite Miserowski. He said, “I’m pretty good, too.”

MH252525
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Urena and Natera have been so awesome!

GonFishin
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Let the trades commence…

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago

so…now we wait. Good game today. We beat Miz! Hooray! Wally! Murphy still at 0.00, Trout with a hit, Meck the game winning homerun!!! off Miz!!!

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago

Moz also still at 0.00 so far.  🙂 

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

so true!

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