LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Void – Crashing the Pearly Gates

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1 minute ago

Reinstated INF Kevin Newman from paternity list
•Following yesterday’s game, INF Kyren Paris was optioned to Triple-A Salt Lake

https://x.com/laangelspr/status/1938348798180552804?s=46

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Twebur

13 minutes ago

Tampa Bay Rays shortstop Wander Franco was found guilty of sexual abuse of a minor in the Dominican Republic for an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old girl when he was 21. He received a two-year prison sentence
https://x.com/jeffpassan/status/1938345284121051487?s=46

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Pineapple12

17 minutes ago

Awesome interview between Jo and MLB Network. Did you know he dealt with epilepsy as a kid? I definitely didn’t.

He’s been easy to root for from the day we drafted him.

https://www.mlb.com/angels/video/jo-adell-discusses-june-hitting-moore-clubhouse?t=t108-default-vtp

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RexFregosi

1 hour ago

Shocked, shocked I tell you!! – no one wants to upgrade the roster for 2025 but Arte is the Boss and maybe wants an upgrade before he goes to Big Billboard in the Sky.

The task is to finish with a better record in the second half than the first half.
The task is not to ‘just let the kids play’.

So seriously, what is one area of the roster or position you would you target to get to 87 wins? Could you even trade a prospect?

Me thinks we need to better at 3B mostly.

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PedroCerrano

1 hour ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Big billboard in the sky LOL! I hope he ends up replacing the rat in the Western Exterminator sign.

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Pineapple12

1 hour ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Ethan Holliday starting at 3rd for us in October for game 1 of the Wild Card will indeed be wild.

But seriously, we don’t have the farm equity to buy.

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milehigh

26 minutes ago

Reply to RexFregosi

I’m usually wrong but I’ll say a pitcher would make the biggest difference. Someone with ERA lower than 4. IOW, a miracle.

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DMAGZ13

3 hours ago

Future roster
OF Adell (hopefully this is more him) Rada, somebody
IF Schanuel, Moore, Neto (hopefully his body holds up at SS) , a 3B
C O’Hoppe
DH Trout
Bench: Lugo , Paris (I think) someone good catching.

Man you look at the lineup and it’s coming together but still short a big bat now that Trout’s sun has set. They really need a real impact #3 hitter going forward , someone with an average in the .280s and 35 hr potential. That would solidify the lineup for 4 years.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

2 hours ago

Reply to DMAGZ13

Here’s the risk: Mike Trout’s first game was July 8, 2011 – almost 14 years ago. In those 14 years, the Angels have failed to obtain (draft, develop, FA sign, or trade) the necessary players to consistently win and make the playoffs.

Yes, we now seem to have a core emerging, but the depth of talent is not in the pipeline today to consistently win and make the playoffs.

My point is that the sense of urgency to build the winner has to be increased. Neto will be a free agent after the 2029 season. O’Hoppe and Adell will be a free agents after the 2028 season.

Getting one MLB player every draft will not achieve the objective. Perry needs to deal a few players at the trade deadline and deepen the prospect pool. In addition, he needs to “win the lottery” in this draft and get two or three major league talents.

Without this, I fail to see how the current strategy will achieve the success we all hope for.

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Jeff Joiner

40 minutes ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

Hence the need to both sell at the deadline and nail this draft. Also, maybe lock up Neto on an extension. His price could be a bit depressed due to his injury history. It is a risk, but one worth taking.

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Roy Hobbs

4 hours ago

There is no way Neto is day to day. Even the most minor injury or irritation will likely take two weeks and that’s assuming that’s all it is. wouldn’t be surprised when he returns to see him removed rather quickly.

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Cowboy26

1 hour ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Agree Roy. But with 2 off days sandwiched around the Nats series the Angels are hoping that 6 days of rest will allow him to return for the road trip starting into Atlanta on Tuesday.

I think thats Wishful thinking so get ready for a lost Christmas with the return of either KKKKingery or Daddy Newman manning a blackhole at Shortstop this weekend before the Angels finally realizing Neto has to go on the IL

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

5 hours ago

It’s a dark day in the MLB, as Dick Lovelady has been DFAed again. We all miss him already.

Remember how Arte failing to pay just a couple million more dollars to Jason Heyward was a clear early indicator that he just wanted to collect his millions from stupid fans and had zero interest in commitmunk to whining? Even if we have a top ten payroll? I do.

Man I wish we’d beat the Cubs out for that guy. Everything would be totally different.

The Red Sox and their fans can suck it.

Jo Adell. Mas Macho.

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Cowboy26

2 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

And…..My Apologies to him?

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Charles Sutton

19 minutes ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

If the Angels pick him up, I say we do an internet petition for him to shave his face except the stache, and then dye that bad boy a convincing shade of pornstar black.

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Angelz4ever

5 hours ago

We are 1.5 games out of WC contention, but some areas of concern:

We have four teams trailing within two games of us, only two of those teams we play with regularity the rest of the season
I fear Arte will sell a farm asset to BUY at the deadline based on WC “Contention”
I propose that if we continue in WC “Contention” we sell Jensen at the deadline and slide Zefferjahn/Strickland/Detmers to 7/8/9 inning guys. IF Stephenson returns soon, sell Jensen as we’ll have another late inning arm back. A Jensen trade can help build the future.
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gitchogritchoffmypettis

4 hours ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

I dunno. I am curious to see if the FO gets to trade guys in July.

Look at it this way. The team’s gonna need to stay very hot for a long time to sell the idea of “going for it”. The FO is already succeeding. The team has obviously taken a step forward. But I am sure they have had plenty of meetings where they discuss the huge holes the team has and how bad the farm is and how it will impact Arte’s wallet. Also, they have likely discussed how fans have taken to Neto and O’Hoppe and how Arte will likely need to spend on them to keep that happy train rolling.

I doubt the conclusion was “just wait till Rendons off the books in a year and a half and all our problems are solved”.

I doubt VERY HOT happens. There are 8 teams at .500 now in the AL. As I see it the Guardians, Rangers, Royals and Twins can all take us in an 80 game season. The Red Sox too if they get any pitching and defense. I think if we slip a little, just become normal or even cool off a bit before the deadline, any thought of “we should go for it!” will wither.

It’s already a boon season. Team’s moving the right direction. Attendance is up. Unless the Angels are IN A WILD CARD SPOT come the deadline I think they deal. If anyone wants our players.

But we’ll have to see. I know people here are gonna be gobsmacked that no one wants to give us a top 5 prospect for any of our players, and may not want to give us anything for a guy like Anderson. And if the Angels take an absolute “we’re in it to win it” stance without being solidly in the play offs I’ll think it’s pretty likely that Arte has spoken.

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JackFrost

2 hours ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Not sure why you think the “Guardians, Rangers, Royals, and Twins can ALL take us in an 80 (do you mean 162 ?) game season.” That has yet to be determined. I mean, which of those teams have swept the Dodgers (who are clearly the best team in baseball)? Which have taken 3 of 4 from the Yankees ?

Alot of people on this site are downgrading the Angels chances to compete for the playoffs late into the season. I would agree that there are weaknesses in the team, however, there are ALSO weaknesses in those teams you mentioned. For example, for most of the season Texas has not been a good hitting team, and frankly have been just plain bad. See Adolis Garcia and Corey Seager massive underperform… So, I don’t by any means think it is a hopeless as you and many others here seem to believe.

The main reason I say that is that some of our issues have built in solutions already in-house, such as replacing Hendricks with Detmers in the starting rotation…

I don’t think this team has played their best baseball over a 30 day period yet. And I think that very well could happen. That will largely depend upon getting key pieces back from injury, such as Moncada and Stephenson for the pen (which would free up Detmers to slide into the rotation which largely addresses the weakness of depth in the starting rotation).

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Kevin

4 hours ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

As we know, every season is different. Even with talent, injuries and other problems can rank a season. See Orioles, Baltimore 2025.

I think figuring out if Neto is healthy matters. Otherwise, the Halos should see how the next few weeks go and make decisions accordingly. If they can hang in and maybe make the playoffs, that’s worth doing. They already have Joyce out for 2025. They have minimal OF options, unless Trout can play OF and/or Soler comes back healthy. So trades of Ward or Jansen will have serious repercussions. If Trout can play OF, O’Hoppe can DH and there may be some flexibility. Ideally, Soler could come back, look healthy and be traded. He’s the one piece that doesn’t leave a mark if taken out.

Everyone likes quality prospects and a future. But winning now helps also IMHO.

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dontbatvlad4th

1 hour ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

I’m just waiting for the standard: Angels are close enough to do nothing at the deadline, followed by a catastrophic collapse that has them nearly mathematically eliminated by end of August.

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Pineapple12

6 hours ago

Proud of Jo Adell

256 PAs
.230 / .306 / .487
119 OPS+
17 HRs
8 doubles
3 SBs (100% success rate)
25% K rate
0.9 WAR (he was -1 WAR earlier in the season)

in June

91 PAs
.266 / .356 / .658
10 HRs
2 SBs
26.4% K rate

He’s arrived.

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Jimmuscomp

5 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

The best thing in these numbers is the difference between BA and OBP. He’s walking just a little more, which means he chasing less, which means he recognizing pitches better, which means he’s barreling the ball more often.

A lot of folks don’t get that walking isn’t about the walks. It’s what walking more tells you about a guys approach.

Adell looks much better this year and if it can hold up for another month – even at 75% of this production he will likely have crossed a line in development that he won’t go back across.

I love his athleticism and sure hope he has taken that step.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

4 hours ago

Reply to Jimmuscomp

Yup. Just keep walking some and hit .266. I loaf the 10 HR month, but if he hits like this and only has 5 HR in July and August I will still be stoked. His defense is also not bad now in CF and RF. He’s hit his WAR from last year at this point. If he stays solid he will likely crack 2 WAR, maybe 2.5.

He’s arb eligible next year. FA in 2028. Looking more like a guy we need to keep but the jury I still out.

One thing I dig about Jo/Zack/Logan/Nolan is that, for the first time in a long time, the vibe on the team is really good. I can tell because I kinda want a jersey of one of those guys down the line and I haven’t wanted and Angels jersey in forever.

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red floyd

3 hours ago

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I was at a game, and took my numberless jersey to one of the booths in the 3b courtyard, and they put Neto’s name and number on the back.

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Jeff Joiner

37 minutes ago

Reply to Jimmuscomp

Exactly. Jo is laying off pitches he would’ve missed by three feet in years past. The K’s are down a bit, the walks are up a bit, but the hard contact is up a ton.

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RexFregosi

6 hours ago

Playoffs 2025!

40-and-40 sounds biblical enough to me. Where to beef up?

Law says this morning the only bat in the draft that might contribute in 2025 is Irish, and the only pitcher we could feasibly use is Arnold (due to his smoother mechanics and lower usage in 2025), the others were used more.

Out of all the names on the trade deadline availability, I like McMahon as best fit and need (3B).
https://www.si.com/mlb/yankees/news/new-york-yankees-landing-spot-rockies-ryan-mcmahon-again

Do it. Klassen and Rada go back to the Rockies. CtPG explodes but it just may work. It allows Arquette/Ethan time to develop, and if it’s not one of them, 3B will be even a higher need. Analysts say Rada is Juan Pierre and Klassen is still a AA pitcher with a high ERA.

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Cowboy26

6 hours ago

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DPt0a6iXxo

Well Hey its baseball related. His dad was a pretty damn good pitcher

You realize anything coming out of Denver is fools gold right Rex?

Just Look at McMahon’s career Home/Away splits:

Home .265/.344/.476
Away. .216/.302/.363

Its even worse this year ( OPS .895 vs .583)

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SchofieldsWalkoff

1 hour ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Estevez was decent but otherwise I agree.

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red floyd

21 minutes ago

Reply to Cowboy26

I used to figure any pitcher with a good breaking ball coming from Colorado HAD to be good… then we signed the Fuentesaurus.

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Pineapple12

6 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

There’s no reason to buy or sell imo. Let this team stay as is and make a run.

Also, Juan Pierre is one of my favorites from the 2000s lol, I’d kill for that to Rada’s player comp

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

6 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

We should know better by now…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

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Pineapple12

6 hours ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

Hey, I said don’t buy !

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

6 hours ago

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😀

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Cowboy26

6 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Id take some Otis Nixon in Centerfield as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYPQzHMIQIs

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Born_in_59

6 hours ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Or Mickey Rivers.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

6 hours ago

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq3hEMUeBGQ

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Born_in_59

6 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I definitely don’t think the team should be a buyer at the deadline. No more Giolito’s please. As was said at the start of the season, the best strategy is to flip contracts to playoff contenders. I’m not expecting a Luis Garcia level return, but Jansen and Ward should fetch some talent.

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Pineapple12

5 hours ago

Reply to Born_in_59

We are 1.5 GB in the WC. Barring a collapse in the next month (which is possible), we aren’t selling.

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Born_in_59

5 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

There are 29 more games before the trading deadline, against the likes of Atlanta, Philadelphia, New York Mets, Seattle and Texas. If the Angels are still within striking range of the WC at that point, then I’d agree with you. But if they are no better than a .500 team, then I’d say trade to continue improving the club in the future.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

4 hours ago

Reply to Born_in_59

Honestly, those 29 games will pretty much tell the tale. If we are legitimately in the hunt, not at .425 and “just a few out”, then I’d at least understand if the FO said they want to give the current roster a shot. Those series will show us if we are legit or not. If we win a lot of those games we would be in a pretty solid position.

I’d still make trades. But I’d at least understand why Perry doesn’t.

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jco

5 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

unless they have an insanely good record in the next 30 games, they shouldn’t buy. If they’re still in the WC hunt, I don’t think they should sell either. I could envision a scenario where trading Rengifo, Anderson, Jansen, or Hendricks makes sense even if they’re still on the fringes of the WC race. I don’t really think they should trade Ward unless they’re completely out (which is possible).

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Angelz4ever

5 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I’d say we could sell Ward & Jensen and replace them respectively with Lugo & Detmers-Or at least Jensen. Jensen will bring in a nice haul. Ward has increased his trade value.

Maybe trade Neeeeeefo when Moncada returns, as he’ll be odd man out.

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MarineLayer

5 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

To me, buy or sell is whether it is a great deal for us. I don’t trust Minasian to be able to pull that off, but last year’s trade deadline deals were excellent, the year before were trash.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

4 hours ago

Reply to MarineLayer

All we’re gonna get is poker chips in trades no matter what. No one is trading us a 55 grade prospect for any of the guys we’ll have available.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

4 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Yep. When he said Juan Pierre I was like “I will take WS Champion Juan Pierre” all the way. Very useful piece. Also, Rada is better defensively right now.

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FungoAle

4 hours ago

Reply to Pineapple12

If the team just wants to make the playoffs, need to exchange out the depth pieces; Moncada, Soler, Newman, Kingery types. The kids will swoon at some point. Ward is still a goner.

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SchofieldsWalkoff

1 hour ago

Reply to Pineapple12

This is where I’m at. Let them play and see where the chips lands where they may.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

6 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

McMahon was an All-Star in 2024, and this season, he’s hitting .225 with 12 home runs and 25 RBIs. The 30-year-old is also a solid defender.

OBP. SLG. OPS. OPS+
.324. .404. .728. 95

Other than empty homeruns….which we have Trout and Ward to supply, I’m just not feeling it. Furthermore, the Yankees are supposedly interested in this guy and have better prospects to choose from.

I’m in the let 2025 happen as is and continue to invest in the future by selling assets to the highest bidder.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

4 hours ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

Amen. If we go cold I even say sell early if we can get a better return.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

4 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

I’d trade Rada and Klassen if it really solved 3B. McMahon is the issue here. He doesn’t have a 100 OPS+ in Colorado. He’s 30 already and signed for 2 more years. I wouldn’t want to sign him longer. He is a good defensive 3B.

But really, he’s a lower contact Alberto Callaspo for two seasons. Not a long term fix.

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PedroCerrano

4 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

I happened to leave on the Angels MLB channel after the game yesterday to wear Angels Talk came on and the hopium level was at fever pitch. This season, to this point is a nice story with some growth but projecting this team for the playoffs is nonsense. They have been really fortunate with the health their starting pitching and still are just .500. This team is very prone to up and downs like most young teams are and we should just see how it plays out.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

4 hours ago

Reply to PedroCerrano

Yup. So much more has gone right for these guys than wrong this year so far. It’s just not an indicator that the team’s close to squaring off with the Tigers and Yankees in October. Not at all. Even the hated Astros. YEAH! We beat em some. They don’t have Alvarez. All their pitchers are hurt. Walker has been cold as hell. At full strength both the Astros and Rangers man handle us.

Good job thus far Angels. Good building. But we’re still half done.

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tanana40

7 hours ago

RIP Diego Sequi. As the article says, he was a member of the Seattle Pilots and Mariners.

He was the starting pitcher on opening day 1977 (the M’s first game) against the Angels. The Angels won that game 7-0 behind Frank Tanana. Tanana went the distance giving up 9 hits. This was my second season as a fan of the Angels and with Rudi, Baylor, and Grich in the lineup, I had high expectations.

Former Angels Dave Collins and Leroy Stanton started for the M’s.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA197704060.shtml

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RexFregosi

7 hours ago

Reply to tanana40

if you grew up in the 1960s, you had his baseball card, and probably enough of them they ended up in your bicycle spokes.

some of the team he played for: Seattle Pilots, Oakland A’s, Kansas City A’s, Washington Senators are also gone.

Thanks for bringing back that Opening day – definitely one of the better ones.

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tanana40

7 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

I believe we won game 2 behind Nolan Ryan but lost game 3. “Tanana and Ryan and two days of cryin.”

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Cowboy26

6 hours ago

Reply to tanana40

And we Lost Game 4 But Tanana then came back to win Game 5 (they had 5 game series back then without double headers?) When was the last time a starting pitcher won both his starts in a 5 game series?

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RexFregosi

6 hours ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Tanana was a beast that season with 8.3 WAR. The 1977 Cy Young balloting doesn’t look right through today’s lens.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1977.shtml#AL_CYA_voting

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tanana40

3 hours ago

Reply to RexFregosi

After 1977, he became more a curveball and junk ball artist and “only” lasted until 1993. I followed every single game that he pitched until the end in 1993 (which normally meant reading box scores in the USA Today).

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red floyd

3 hours ago

Reply to tanana40

Didn’t he get injured, so that he couldn’t rely on the FB any more?

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tanana40

3 hours ago

Reply to red floyd

Yep, I think he hurt his arm in the 1977 season but kept pitching. In 1978, his K rate per 9 innings dropped to 5.2 whereas between 1975 and 1977 it was 9.4, 8.1, and 7.6.

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PedroCerrano

1 hour ago

Reply to tanana40

Greedy and inept Angel’s Managers ruined his arm. His innings pitched and just how quickly they ramped him up are pretty eye opening. Ryan’s durability was part DNA oddity and part Bill Singer “Yoga” stretching along with Jimmy Reese’s guidance on conditioning.

We used to sneak into the Big A in the 70s but had to get there before the employees so we were there at 2PM for a night game. We would peak out from our hiding spot and would watch as Ryan ran every step in that stadium.

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tanana40

3 hours ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Thanks, I had totally forgotten that we played a 5 game series in Seattle. That certainly saved on air travel costs.

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SeaAngels

2 hours ago

Reply to tanana40

Diego Sequi also pitched on opening day in 1969 for the Seattle Pilots against the California Angels. Didn’t start, but did pitch three innings. So, he had the unique opportunity to pitch in both opening games for the shiny new Seattle franchises.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CAL/CAL196904080.shtml Some great Angel names in this box score.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

7 hours ago

I wonder if Tatis should start “sleeping with one eye open” after he double-crosses the “nice people” he signed that stupid deal with….

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Angelz4ever

7 hours ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

I hope Tatis has to pay-Was it predatory, sure, but was it legal is the question. If he ratified it after turning 18, then he is in for a world of hurt. Poor/working people wonder why some people are rich-Once they become rich they pay for as least as possible.

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Cowboy26

6 hours ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

You knew that wouldn’t end well

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Angelz4ever

5 hours ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Predatory contracts aren’t illegal, just unethical.