LA Angels Weekend News Crash: Pitching Woes

It was a great week to be a batter against the Angels. First Angels hurlers gave up 34 runs across a 4 game set to Detroit, losing 3. That’s a solid 8.5 runs per game allowed. That performance was backed up by a 14 hit, 7 walk outing by Soriano and the blowpen last night.

And it isn’t like the bad pitching is a one week phenomenon. What was expected to be a solid bullpen anchored by Joyce and Jansen has been anything but good. We’re cruising towards historic levels of suckage.

Once again scrambling for any type of serviceable arms in the bullpen, the Angels called up Hector Neris and Connor Brogdon. A day later old friend Hunter Strickland was signed to a minors deal. Strickland did pretty well for the Halos last year and I was a bit surprised to see him leave. That said, none of these moves provide a ton of upside.

Something must be done to replace Reid Detmers. To say he’s been pitching poorly would be a massive understatement.

However, the Angels did manage to take 2 out of 3 from Toronto, which leads us to our Highlight of the Week. Jorge Soler cleared the bases in the bottom of the 9th inning on Wednesday night for the walk off win.

I was at the game Wednesday with a contingent of my Little League team and their parents. It was a school night and my kid knocked out on the drive home. Seeing that finish would have been great, but my son is my priority and he obviously needed some shuteye. The kids and parents loved being together, though, and that is what is important.

Logan O’Hoppe knows what is important and is responsible for my favorite highlight in quite some time. Check him out playing baseball with a young team.

That right there is incredible and warms my heart.

Fellow young stud Zach Neto has a 13 game hitting streak going. Since coming back from injury, Neto has been playing lights out. He was also at the center of a benches clearing incident against Detroit this week. I’m glad he stood up for himself and I’m also glad the chest puffing didn’t lead to actual violence.

Fortunately, the suckage of the MLB Angels isn’t impacting the top arms on the farm. Several are off to hot starts this year and are bringing some hopium to fans like me.

That piece has most of the usual suspects and also a couple of lesser known players. One name missing is Walbert Urena who is looking really nice in AA.

One name mentioned in the above piece but not mentioned here is Joel Hurtado, who is turning into a prospect himself.

More talent will be added soon in the draft and mock drafts are starting to come out. In both MLB’s and The Athletic’s mock drafts the Angels take a quality college starting pitcher. In fact, they take the same pitcher so no need to link the piece behind the paywall.

Nolan keeps pumping out pieces on college players and Turk’s Teeth is dropping knowledge in the comments. Take a look at those pieces and get ready to join us for a live draft thread.

From around baseball:

Pittsburgh fired its manager yesterday, but just like here, nothing will change until ownership changes.

In a showing of just how crazy baseball can be, the Giants scored 9 runs in the top of the 11th inning Tuesday night.

We have an American pope who likes baseball. Who is his favorite team? Read the link.

I’m not sure how to plug this link. There’s a lot of good stuff in there, so read it.

Rafael Devers is telling the world how big of an egotistical a hole he really is.

Devers can rake, though, so….take on that contract and several prospects?

Baseball is losing a great generation of ballplayers. This week Chet Lemon went to the great big ballpark in the sky. That is a phenomenal tribute from the Detroit Free Press and I highly recommend it. Not as long as other longform pieces I’ve linked, but it should get you through about a cup of coffee.

Enjoy your weekend and link what I missed. I have my final Saturday game of the year for my farm Little League team and we are definitely going to pizza afterwards. Fortunately we rescheduled Wednesday’s game for later in the month so I get a few more weeks with these kids, who have really stolen my heart. I’ve been blessed to have a lot of great baseball experience but this one is incomparable.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Sam is just reporting the facts…..

The Angels hope they’re just in a slump. These 10 stats show more reason for concern

Sam Blum

After getting swept in Texas on April 17, Los Angeles Angels manager Ron Washington was asked if he could take solace in returning home at 9-9.

After all, they’d started the season with 15 of 18 games on the road, facing some tough teams. A .500 record to show for it wasn’t bad.

“I’m not interested in .500,” Washington said. “I want to be better than .500.”

Right now, .500 would be fantastic. The Angels are 13-20, having lost 16 of 21 games, during which they’ve been outscored by 72 runs. Hitting, pitching and defense — the Angels rank at or near the bottom in each category.

Angels general manager Perry Minasian tried to characterize the deficiencies as a slump, something akin to what all 30 teams deal with throughout the season.

“I think teams go through stretches,” the fifth-year GM said on Friday. “You know, teams go through stretches where they don’t swing the bat well. When you don’t swing the bat, you’re gonna have some numbers that aren’t flashy, right?

“But you can pick a six-game stretch, 10-game stretch, from anybody and point to certain times where, man, they’re really struggling, and offensively they haven’t scored.”

This isn’t a six- or 10-game stretch. It isn’t even a 21-game stretch. It’s been a decade since the Angels last finished with a winning record, 11 years since a postseason appearance, and 16 years since a playoff win.
The Angels’ story is a well-told tale of futility. They haven’t earned the benefit of the doubt.

“We don’t like where we’re at, I think that’s clear,” Angels catcher Logan O’Hoppe said on Sunday. “It’s a challenging time. … We don’t want to get caught up in the negativity, or everything else that’s outside this room. So we’re going to keep staying in it, keep putting our work in. But by no means are we OK with what’s going on.”

O’Hoppe’s approach is a nuanced one. Acknowledging the failures while trying to build on the successes.

Those successes, those bright spots, however, have been few and far between in the early going this season. We took a look at 10 staggering stats (all entering Monday’s slate of games) that demonstrate this team’s plight and explain how the Angels have found themselves back in a familiar spot: last place.

7.02 bullpen ERA

This is the worst bullpen ERA in baseball, by nearly half a run. The Angels hoped their pen would be one of their greatest strengths, with Kenley Jansen and Ben Joyce captaining the back end. Joyce (shoulder) is now out indefinitely. And Jansen’s disastrous outing on Friday (six earned runs in two-thirds of an inning) was concerning.

But more importantly, the front-end bullpen options haven’t been reliable. Fifteen of the 16 relievers the Angels have used have a WAR of 0.0 or lower, with only Ryan Zeferjahn posting a positive in that category.

Reid Detmers, whom the Angels hoped had figured things out in the pen, has allowed nine runs while recording just one out in his last two outings. Rule 5 draft pick Garrett McDaniels has a WHIP just shy of 2.00. The Angels even brought back Touki Toussaint, who made eight appearances for them in 2022. Toussaint allowed two runs in two innings on Sunday.

There’s a world in which the Angels get Joyce, Robert Stephenson and even Sam Bachman back. And maybe then, there will be some stability. But that’s far from assured. And in the meantime, the Angels are left with limited reliable options.

Taylor Ward: .578 OPS

Ward looks lost at the plate. He snapped an 0-for-27 stretch with a double on Sunday. But he’s in a season-long slump. He’s hitting just .176 with a 61 OPS+. He hasn’t posted a multi-hit game since April 12.

The 31-year-old is known as a streaky hitter who can be extremely difficult to get out at times. But that feels far away from the present reality. He is walking just 5.3 percent of the time, down from his career average of 9.2 percent. He’s also hitting just .167 on four-seam fastballs, down from .272 last season.

17 stolen bases

As a team, the Angels have swiped just 17 bags this season, which ranks 27th in baseball. In a terrible 2024, stealing bags was part of their identity, when they ranked 12th in the sport with 133.
Part of the problem is not having enough people on base. But the Angels have been notably less aggressive. Luis Rengifo, who stole 24 bases in 78 games last season, has just one in 32 games this year. Jo Adell stole 15 last year, but has just one so far this year.

Minus-20 defensive runs saved

The Angels’ defense has been bad. The minus-20 DRS ranks 28th in baseball, according to FanGraphs, ahead of only the Philadelphia Phillies and the Athletics.

Behind the plate, O’Hoppe has struggled with minus-5 DRS, and has minus-2 runs above average on his pitch framing alone. Adell also has minus-5 DRS this season, most of which has been spent in center field. Rengifo has minus-7 DRS.

The defensive blunders manifest in more than just errors. Though less easy to manage statistically, defensive decision-making has been an issue.

.269 OBP

There’s no more concerning team-wide stat out there. This OBP ranks last in baseball and is indicative of a team that isn’t putting pressure on the opponents’ pitchers or defense. Even the historically bad Colorado Rockies have a .278 OBP.

The Angels staked their hot start on home runs. In the first two weeks of the season, they hit 30 homers in 15 games, many with runners on base. Now, all their power has come from solo home runs, and that two-home-run-per-day pace has dwindled. After those 30 homers in the first 15 games, the Angels have just 14 long balls in their last 18 games.
The Angels are last in walks, with just 72, 10 below the No. 29 Texas Rangers (who just replaced their hitting coach), and about half as many as the league-leading Seattle Mariners. It’s surprising that a team with a lot of power wouldn’t also be a team that walks a lot. Only two players have more than 10 walks this season.

318 strikeouts

Only two teams have struck out more often than the Angels. But because the Angels have played three fewer games than the Boston Red Sox, who have just 10 more strikeouts, they’re effectively second-worst in this category. It’s an issue throughout the lineup, with Adell, Ward, Mike Trout, Kyren Paris, O’Hoppe and Jorge Soler all striking out at least 27 percent of the time.

Averaging nearly 10 strikeouts a game, while walking just more than twice a game, is an unsustainable offensive trend. And it speaks to why the Angels are averaging just 2.4 runs in the last 21 contests.

50 home runs allowed

A lot has been made of the Angels offense relying on home run power. They’ve hit 44 long balls this season. That, however, has been offset, and then some, by giving up 50 homers on the pitching side. Only the Baltimore Orioles have allowed more (51). The New York Mets have given up just 18 this year.

In the ninth inning on Friday, the Angels allowed four homers. Jack Kochanowicz, a ground-ball pitcher, is the worst offender, yielding seven homers in 37 1/3 innings.

Kyren Paris: 3-for-44 slump with 26 Ks

Paris was hitting .400 through his first 13 games. He hit five homers and essentially won the Angels three games during their road trip to start the season.

In the last 17 games, Paris stopped hitting. His strikeout rate increased dramatically, at nearly 40 percent for the season. It’s clear the league adjusted to him, and he’s yet to adjust back. He misses on 43.8 percent of his swings, nearly double the big league average.

While it might be prudent to send Paris to the minor leagues to get some of his confidence back, the Angels don’t have any better options. So he’s forced to figure things out at the highest level right now.

Mike Trout: 9 home runs, 8 singles

Though home runs are more valuable than singles, this number is part of a concerning trend for Trout. Known as an elite gap-to-gap hitter for both power and average in his prime, Trout’s game is now almost exclusively centered around his power numbers.

In fact, his knee injury came as he was trying to leg out an infield single. He acknowledged he shouldn’t have been busting it down the line as fast as he did. But it’s clear, he doesn’t want to be known as a “three true outcomes hitter” (home runs, strikeouts and walks). Getting that single was important to him.
So much of Trout’s game is now wrapped up in power and strikeouts. It’s not who Trout has always been. But it’s the reason why he’s hitting .179, with some of the best home run numbers in the game.

44-66 combined record in the minor leagues

Records for minor league teams aren’t always a great barometer for how good a farm system actually is. But when affiliates consistently struggle to win year in and year out, and there’s a lack of premier minor league prospects, the win-loss record cannot be considered a fluke.

The only Angels affiliate with a winning record is in High A, where the Tri-City Dust Devils are 14-13. Only two of their top 30 prospects, according to MLB Pipeline, are in Triple A: pitcher Caden Dana and outfielder Matthew Lugo. Most of their top talent is at Double-A Rocket City, but the Trash Pandas have a 9-16 record, and some of their better players have underperformed.

There is plenty of MLB potential in their system. But as it currently stands, there is not enough to paint a rosy portrait of the organization’s future.

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JackFrost
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20 days ago

I think the fact that the Anges are LAST in all of baseball in OBP (even behind the hapless Rockies, as you pointed out) is the most concerning thing. The reason is because they DO have talent on the offensive side. What this tells me is that it is more about coaching, philosophy and culture, which the Angels clearly do not have. This is why my calls to fire Johnny Washington, if any of you were wondering.

To be clear I do not think it is all his fault, but he surely has a part to play in this miserable failure, and thus takes a good amount of responsibility. There are issues that go deeper than this, but as I had stated earlier Arte is not firing Carpino and of course nobody is firing Arte as owner. That being the case you have to make small improvements wherever you can get them.

GrandpaBaseball
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20 days ago

That was a lot of work there Senator, now get into a primary and run for the real thing. (I’d give you my vote.) Upside is it is sad indeed, but the numbers speak loudly. Downside is we all keep hopeium in our thought process and keep trying to figure out what might work better. Truth is that all losing teams that are long term losers get down on themselves while hoping someone breaks out. When we were 9-9, we had Trouty hitting HR’s, Paris hitting like Ty Cobb, and decent pitching with a closer looking 10 years younger and Perry patting himself on the back. Just as water finds its own level so did the Angels. My biggest fear is that Perry screws the draft up and at some point the fans will stop caring.

With the new draft rules in place I just don’t see us rebuilding any time soon because unlike the Tigers and one time the Asstros, having 3 or 4 successful consecutive drafts is no longer the way to build. In a few short years O’Hoppe and Neto will be in there prime with nobody there to help out.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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20 days ago

Is that pic of Ron smoking that cigarette real or AI?

Turk's Teeth
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21 days ago

The Angels’ fourth rounder from last draft Austin Gordon had a rough, rough outing today. Surrendered 10 ERs (7 hits, 3 BBs, HBP, 3 HRs) and couldn’t get out of the third inning. A marked step back from his last couple outings and the second time in his last four appearances giving up 8+ ERs.

Didn’t understand the selection last year – projectable body, but rather pedestrian stuff – he was reliever at Clemson with little sustained track record of success.

During ST, Jared Tims was selling him as a no-doubt MLB arm (two innings in!). Didn’t see it then, not quite seeing it now. But sure, it’s a starter’s body.

Pineapple12
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21 days ago
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Yea, not impressed by Gordon.

My optimistic pov on the 2024 draft is CMo becoming an above average regular and getting 2 starters out of Ryan Johnson, Chris Cortez, Dylan Jordan, TGA.

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Angelz4ever
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21 days ago

Well, we took the series.

Let’s defeather another bird.

Kevin
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21 days ago

Nice posting on the historical bullpen ERA. I posted when the season started that it looked like the Halos didn’t do enough in the bullpen but I was shouted down at the time. Truth is stranger than fiction I guess.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Have a cookie.

Kevin
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21 days ago

And a beer

Turk's Teeth
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21 days ago

I remain less bullish than Jeff and P12 on some of the arms mentioned in this piece (and the comments).

Urena remains a hard thrower with 20/30 grade command – an 8+ BB/9 is the worst of his career to open the season. He had a good six inning start in Knoxville, but has generally been pretty pitch-inefficient and wild in the outings I’ve seen. They’re going to let him start for awhile, given his age, but he still looks like future bullpen guy to me.

Hurtado and Cortez still look like relievers to me. Jury’s out on Klassen, but we’ve been seeing better control from him (if not length) in his second run at AA.

In today’s prospect chat with Keith Law, a Phillies fan was lamenting the Estevez trade, and he had a contrarian take – suggesting Klassen is probably a bullpen guy, and Aldegheri a sixth starter. I don’t know that he’s wrong – as a command lefty, Aldegheri seems vulnerable to good hitting, and often has to fight the ump for the borders. Similarly, Farris, a finesse lefty who tops out at 90-91, probably maxes out as a spot starter or swing piece.

I think Dana has enough polish to be a 3/4 pitcher in a rotation, but the FB is more average than plus, and may limit his ceiling.

The interesting action is in the ACL, where early reads on Joswa look very good, and the four young pitchers leading the rotation intrigue. Manny’s son looks projectable. Up the MiLB tree, Placencia and Rada have made progress at their respective levels as well.

It’s hard for me not to watch Moore swing through a 91 mph FB down the center of the plate for the ninth time and not think he’s a future bust, but he’s at least spitting on the low sliders a bit more, and has doubled his walk rate (while cutting his ISO in half). But he looks bad at the plate often, and rough in the field.

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TrojanBoiler
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21 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

What’s your take on Moore’s struggles this year compared to his scorching debut last year? Just another victim of The Book?

Turk's Teeth
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21 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Just a very first look at a new hitter in an extremely small sample. The adjustments by pitchers were actually pretty quick – all of his HRs came in his first eight games. In the 17 games after that, no longballs, and a K rate around 35%.

The hit tool concerns were already there at draft time. Here’s Longenhagen (who had him at #23 last summer):

“He has low-ball tendencies and is going to be tested by pro velocity at the belt. He’s already swinging through a lot of fastballs in the zone and his head doesn’t stay on the ball very well. He’s a dangerous all-fields hitter and it’s good to see him shorten up with two strikes, but he’s very likely to have a 40-grade hit tool and rely on his power production to profile as an everyday guy.”

Here’s Law at the same time (he rated Moore at #37, basically an early second round talent):

“He started posting exit velocities of 115+ in Omaha with whatever juiced ball they were using up there, which is going to run him way up the boards for teams that rely heavily on batted-ball data in their draft models. It’s not a pretty swing, however, with a super-wide setup and no stride, which makes me question whether the power will hold up with a wood bat, and in my in-person looks he struggled to pick up offspeed stuff. He’s a below-average defender at second and is most likely to end up in left field. The performance is going to push him into the first round, but the swing and the defense are real concerns.”

Cowboy26
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21 days ago
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You mean his early struggles? cuz in his last 13 games C Moores been raking .283/.431/.478 with his walks (12) matching his strikeouts in his last 58 plate appearances

Turk's Teeth
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21 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I dunno…that seems like a lot of smoke with sliding statistical windows. Basically two games on April 27 and 29 drive that bullish view.

Before those two games, he was hitting .167/.320./267 on the season.

After those two games, across the Knoxville and Biscuits series, he’s hitting .191/,346/.191 and has had some simply terrible at bats.

For folks trying to drive the bull case on Moore, I really invite you to get one month’s subscription to MiLB.TV and just watch his plate appearances across 6-7 games. I’m not the lone bear among farm watchers or scouts.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I think Moore will look “developmental” for a while at AA. Bad stretch followed by adjustment and good stretch followed by having to adjust again…. and so on. The hope is all the learning sticks and he makes contact that leads to power.

Turk's Teeth
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21 days ago

The only two good things I can say about his appearances (and I’ve watched most of them): he’s selling out for power a bit less, and he’s laying off some low and away sliders – which has boosted his walk rate, though at the expense of BA and ISO. The last week of April he seemed to be figuring some things out, but May hits and it’s a single a game and Ks creeping up to a third of at-bats again.

He’s just swinging through mediocre fastballs (and plenty of offspeed stuff) that he should never swing through. A guy with his profile and resume should be hitting plenty of doubles with wood bats, but he’s hit 3 in 26 games (5 XBHs in all).

Pineapple12
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21 days ago
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Love your insight as always, TT!

Is Raudi Rodriguez worth getting excited about?

I mentioned it in a reply to Gitcho — any thoughts on Denzer Guzman getting his 1st career start at 3rd yesterday? He’s making strides with his bat and is clearly blocked at SS by Neto.

Turk's Teeth
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21 days ago
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Raudi is worth watching as a lotto ticket. A touch undersize, but is showing a somewhat intriguing speed/power profile. He’s 21 and there’s still some swing and miss there, but I’m keeping an eye on him, Castillo and Wimmer in an otherwise barren low-A club, until some of the ACL kids are promoted. But I’m also careful about small sample mirages, since Raudi’s not young for the level.

I think the 3B trial for Guzman is down to organizational desperation to an extent. I’m still in Denzer’s corner, as the power is rare for a shortstop, and his defense is adequate there. He’s made some progress on whiff/chase tendencies, but it’s still a bench profile until he gets that K rate closer to 20%.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Moore’s talented but needs months, not weeks, of work. That’s fine. If he comes up a year or even two years from now and is any good it’s fine. Just let the guy develop.

Turk's Teeth
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21 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

One wants to say it’s just Bachman and Joyce, but it’s an unfortunate story going back to Bedrosian and Alvarez. The Angels have not had good outcomes with hardthrowing relievers since the Percival/KRod era. It’s a couple months here and there of outperformance, and then a lot of injury and pain.

Kevin
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21 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I know you are doing pitchers but Kendry Morales too

Kevin
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21 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

Chris Rodriguez also

TrojanBoiler
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21 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

I almost said this as well! C-Rod was awesome in his short time in the majors.

Turk's Teeth
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21 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Glad to read there that they optioned Ryan Johnson to High-A, where they hopefully give him a chance to start. Nice to see they didn’t drop him straight into the Rocket City rotation, as is their wont with advanced college arms these days.

I was very willing to see if Johnson could thrive in a 6-7 BP role with MLB club, but the Angels seem to be falling out of competition quickly, and there’s more value with getting a #4 starter out of Johnson two years from now, than letting him be a volunteer firefighter on the worst bullpen arson squad the MLB has seen statistically in fifteen years.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Yup. Let him see MLB hitters…. now let him get to work throwing longer. Don’t want him to get too used to just facing 3-4 batters.

Pineapple12
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21 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Sigh. Keep his arm on ice until 2026 😔

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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He had TJS in October 2020. This current issue is related to his shoulder, which is potentially much worse

BringBackErstadTierHalos
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Crazy idea, can we please 🥺 sign JD Martinez and throw Soler in LF, Adell in RF, bench Ward, then when Trout comes back we can keep Soler, Paris, and Trout in the outfield and platoon them and DH between a bench of Ward, Adell, and Martinez, the defense is already dogwater and Paris can transition to infield if need be

BringBackErstadTierHalos
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And we should just keep playing Tim Anderson at third while we’re at it instead of Rengifo, or platoon them

Last edited 21 days ago by BringBackErstadTierHalos
cookmeister
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21 days ago

did Moncada die?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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steelgolf
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21 days ago

Washington already said Paris was an outfielder. He is not going to get a chance to play the infield.

BringBackErstadTierHalos
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Washington is a cokehead that keeps putting Detmers in crucial situations when he clearly has the yips

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Other than when Paris plays the IF.

steelgolf
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21 days ago

He actually cut off and semi chastised a beat reporter when the reporter asked him about Paris playing the infield, he cut him off and said “ Karen is an outfielder, Karen is an outfielder, that’s it.”

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I know. And I said he’s still gonna play Paris in the infield sooner rather than later, and then about three games later, there Paris was in the IF. At that point with the reporter, if he declares Paris is XYZ it stirs up a bunch of shit and, to a degree, it is a reporter trying to create a story by cornering a manager into making a declaration that “hot new guy” will threaten the playing time of everyone but pitchers, catchers and 1B.

It would have been smarter if he’d said “I don’t know, we’ll see”, which would have also incensed CtPG Guy, but he wasn’t gonna let a reporter box him into making decision statements that he then has to deal with in real life.

It was easier to say that the guy who just played OF is an OF and then start him at SS a couple days later than declare he’s an IF/OF and then get it from both ends when he doesn’t start him in the IF and he also has to deal with guys in the locker room and Paris’s thoughts. It’s why you don’t see managers make tons of solid declarations about non-star players playing time.

Sports experts like reporters and CtPG Guy are supposed to understand that comments like Wash’s, especially on what? Day 4 of the season? Are standard manager speak, things’ll change, and if a reporter pushes for more he may get a snippy answer.

He was basically telling the reporter the way things were that day and that if he decides to do something else he’s not gonna get boxed into it by the media/internet. Most managers will do this. It’s not some kind of special insult to baseball on Wash’s part at all.

TrojanBoiler
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21 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Ky-REEN*

steelgolf
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21 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Spellcheck on my phone. It hates me, I hate it, we live in this symbiotic relationship.

TrojanBoiler
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21 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Oh I thought you were also making fun of how Washington pronounces Kyren’s name lol

steelgolf
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20 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Nope, my nemesis spellcheck on my phone.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Nope. These are only good ideas if you want to avoid trading Ward and Rengifo and STILL have crap defense in the OF just so you can feel like someone DID SOMETHING in an effort to…. what? Win 70 games? Pay JD Martinez cause he’s got great hair? Ward has great hair. Is Perry still stupid when Martinez hits .240 after a month long ramp up at SLC and and Soler is worse than Ward in the OF?

clover_black
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21 days ago

Win now mode!

BringBackErstadTierHalos
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I mean if it was up to me we would fire everyone and tank for five years to shore up resources in the organization, but with Moreno being how he is we might as well hope he hires people that help win ball games right?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Sheesh. I had no idea Hurtado throws THAT hard. Damn son! My big curiosity guy this year is starting to be Sam Aldegheri. He got a WHIP near 1.4 right now and a little less than a K per inning, but I was actually impressed with his poise at the MLB level last year and I hope to see him get a tick better in the next few weeks. He got a late start to the season.

I’m also Joining the Interest Bureau for Miles Emerson (C/AA) and Denzer Guzman (IF/AA).

Remember Adriane Placencia? He’s been playing 2B in Siberia (Tri-Cities) but he’s got a .992 OPS in the town where hitters go to die. They’ve also got two guys who play 3B, Ben Gobbel and Matt Coutney, who both have OPS above .750, which is like .900 in a normal place and I’m still holding out hope for Cole Fontenelle at 3B in AA. I still loves you Randy De Jesus OF Try City.

But the craziest flower poking out of the sidewalk in East Washington is Ryan Nicholson, a 1B with a 1.000+ OPS?

Literally no one can hit for Inland Empire. So future Angels all.

Rada, Lugo and Christian Moore kinda suck right now. We’ll have to see if they pick it up.

Another dark horse we may see at some point is IF Chad Stevens. He is hitting OK at SLC and I had no idea he was alive till two weeks ago, so he’ll be in Anaheim in August.

I am also watching the race for guys who will get a shot in the pen after the season gets rolling and our veteran pile has held spots long enough.

AJ Block and Max Gieg out of Tri Cities looks solid while Chris Cortez has been iffy with big stuff.

Kenyon Yovan, Luke Murphy, Jake Eder and Carl Edwards are all getting beaten on in SLC but may get a look if their K/BB numbers remain strong and BA against in SLC is a shit show. And there will be Bachman. Yes there will.

Payton Olejnik and Chris Clark are advancement candidates in the IE as starting pitchers. We’ll see if either of them reach Rocket City.

Lot’s of dark brown – black horses on the farm in addition to the guys with grades. It’ll be fun to see if any of them start to float instead of washing out.

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 days ago

Denzer Guzman got his first start at 3rd yesterday. Now that is interesting 👀.

My main focus is our SP pipeline:
— Dana, Silseth, Mederos
— Klassen, Aldegheri, Hurtado, Urena, Farris
— Cortez, Clark

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Forgot about Farris. I know he’s a non-prospect because the data but he’s still interesting till he isn’t.

steelgolf
Legend
21 days ago

I wonder why Arte doesn’t use that picture of Washington with a cigarette on a banner hanging in front of the stadium?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  steelgolf

I support this idea 100%. Grit MF.

Twebur
Legend
21 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

That would be badass if you ask me.

steelgolf
Legend
21 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

60s style baseball is back !!!

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 days ago

Thursday’s top pitching performance in the farm goes to Victor Mederos in AAA.

6 innings
1 ER
2 hits
2 walks
7 strikeouts
65 strikes – 30 balls

Season #s in A+
15.1 innings (3 starts)
3.52 ERA
1.3 WHIP
14 strikeouts
3 walks

Season #s in AAA
11.2 innings (2 starts)
2.31 ERA
0.77 WHIP
9 strikeouts
3 walks

Mederos turns 24 in a month. I’m a fan.

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Twebur
Legend
21 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Victor Mederos MLB

era 9.53 – 8 games – 11 innings – 14 hits – 12 earned – 12 walks – 10 K’s

He’d fit right in, especially this year… I don’t remember 1 outing where he didn’t look completely overmatched. But, maybe he’s improved. Can’t be worse than almost every arm in our BP.

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

He had no business being called up in 2023 or ’24. Would like to see him stay in SLC’s rotation for the remainder of this season.

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’m a sucker for velo and he pumps out an easy 96-97 mph.

2002heaven
Super Member
21 days ago

Small budget smaller market teams usually don’t hit well. In case anybody here noticed.

2002heaven
Super Member
21 days ago

Never take pitchers from Louisville again…
plus Bobby Miller from the Dodgers.🤮🤮😡

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 days ago

Zach Neto (24 years old)
.300 / .347 / .543
148 OPS+
7 stolen bases (87.5% success rate)
29.3% strikeout rate
2.7% walk rate

Logan O’Hoppe (25 years old)
.284 / .319 / .541
138 OPS+
9 HRs
34.5% strikeout rate
4.3% walk rate

Nolan Schanuel (23 years old)
.256 / .341 / .372
102 OPS+
14.4% strikeout rate
10.8% walk rate

Kyren Paris (23 years old)
.219 / .299 / .458
111 OPS+
6 HRs
5 stolen bases (83.3 success rate)
38% strikeout rate
7.4% walk rate

I get all the hand-wringing about the offense, but this is what really matters—these four dudes.

Neto is a star. O’Hoppe is establishing himself as one of the premier hitting catchers in the league. Schanuel has elite plate discipline. Paris has that rare combination of speed and power.

A foundation is being built, and that’s exciting! Every time you whine and complain about firing the coaching staff, look at the young players and ask yourself, “Are they getting better?” They are.

Are we really going to fire the staff because Trout is washed and Ward and Rengifo couldn’t hit a baseball if it were placed on a tee?

Let the season play out. We all understood the assignment coming into the year was about the kids. The kids are alright and that’s pretty cool.

2002heaven
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Don’t agree with most of your comment.

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I disagree with most of your comments so it’s all good lol.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  2002heaven

All we need is Avasail Garcia and Joc Pederson right?

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
21 days ago

As long as he changes his name to Jack.

max
Trusted Member
max
20 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Jack Garcia? I thot he was already glossed with some kind of feminine hygiene product.

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Zach Neto’s ranks among primary SS with at least 70 PA:

1st in xwOBA (.424)
1st in SLG (.543)
1st in xSLG (.637)
1st in barrel rate (14.6%)
1st in avg. EV (94.8 mph)
2nd in OPS (.890)
2nd in xBA (.322)
2nd in hard-hit rate (52.1%)
5th in BA (.300)

https://x.com/bmags94/status/1920879802308772120?t=hMcr0x-Xzk3cbBgFLHd0cg&s=19

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s a slow cook. Gotta see what these four plus Adell do by the end of the year. If it adds up to above average combined then I’m a happy boy. If all of them are in positive WAR, even with the ups and downs of being young/meh I’ll be stoked and feel a little “foundation” forming.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’m honestly worried that the ineptitude of the coaching staff will hinder their development. I mean Paris already went outside to find help with his swing.

Neto and O’Hoppe seem to be doing ok although Logan’s K rate has me a little worried.

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

How is the coaching staff hindering their development when they are performing well playing for said coaches? I’m trying to understand your POV and I can’t.

Now, if you want to talk about Schanuel and O’Hoppe being 2 of the worst defenders in the league — that’s worth a conversation.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

They could be the right coaches for them specifically, for sure. That’s why I mentioned Neto and Logan as kind of a counterpoint to my own argument because they seem to be developing ok.

I just see that the team as a whole has really struggled with hitting this year almost across the board. Hard to say if or how much blame can be placed on the coaching staff. But I can’t help but wonder if Neto and O’Hoppe would be developing even more quickly under better guidance.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

I know three professional hitting coaches with a big pile of MLB stars as clients, as well as MiLB kids and amateurs. It’s not really a big deal for a guy to work with a coach in the off season. It really just means a player wants a dedicated coach, not a guy who works with 15 guys daily, and a lot of the time they are working on stuff that came from the MLB coaching staff.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
21 days ago

Yeah I know I know, I was taking a bit of a cheap shot on the Angel coaches

Last edited 21 days ago by TrojanBoiler
PedroCerrano
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Teams and fanbases generally over value their own prospects. If 2 of the 4 are still core pieces of the team in few years we will have been fortunate. In my mind there is lots of potential but also a lot of holes in their games.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
21 days ago

So, Wash is a smoker, this team will drive you to places that don’t end well. We have been consistantly watching the Bullpen turn to Blowpen for years now, proving once again the lack of knowledge PTP has when it comes down to pitching. PTP is not ever going to lead the Angels to a winning record, not just Playoffs. Playoffs!

MarineLayer
Legend
21 days ago

I agree with you on Minasian. Awful roster construction.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

13 K’s and only 1 walk.

The team is on course to set an historic record of futility for K/BB during a season.

JackFrost
Legend
21 days ago

As an offense the Angels hitters are LAST in MLB in team walks. And by a good amount. This tells me that there is little to no plate discipline.

2025 MLB Team Hitting Stat Leaders | MLB.com

Fire Johnny Washington.

Last edited 21 days ago by JackFrost
Pineapple12
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

As a team, the Angels are:

— 16th in chase %.
— 26th zone contact %
— 2nd highest whiff %.
— 3rd highest barrel %

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/league

Weirdly enough Seattle is pretty close to us in those 4 statistics and their offense is much, much better. Of course, they have nearly double the amount of walks haha.

Gotta think our offense will get better.

Last edited 21 days ago by Pineapple12
JackFrost
Legend
21 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Not sure if you saw but the Rangers just fired their hitting coach Donnie Ecker:

Texas Rangers Make Shocking Early Staff Change, Fire Longtime Hitting Coach

This is what normal teams do in the face of massive underachievement and failure — they make changes !!

But not the Angels. Our leadership says stuff like “It’ s tough,” or “Every team goes through this” (not true — not every team is LAST multiple hitting metrics). Good teams or just normal orgs address the problems by making changes… We just say “We’ll figure it out,” and meanwhile continue to lose games and DON’T figure it out.

Last edited 21 days ago by JackFrost
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

I’m willing to bet he’s seen at least one of the 100 “The Rangers fired their hitting coach (Offensive Coordinator?) but Johnny Washington still has a job!?!? This org is a joke! I am outraged!” comments over the last four days.

JackFrost
Legend
21 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

On some level this is true — for instance, Taylor Ward. As much as people on this site like to rip him, he does have one of the better barrel % rates in the league, so, yeah, he has been unlucky more than sucking… but as a TEAM we still are very lacking in plate discipline — just watch nearly every AB by Jo, or Kyren, or even Soler. This needs to be more of a focus, and that has to among a few people fall on Johnny Washington.

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I’ll have to dig more into the #s after work.

I’m curious what our team outcomes are on 2-2, 3-1, 3-2 counts.

Last edited 21 days ago by Pineapple12
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Right now? They are all bad. It’s a slump. I doubt we suck this hard all season… this happens every year, the team’s not very good, they then have a series of slumping players, CtPG Guy acts like he’s never seen this before, it’s going to last forever, and someone needs to die to appease what ever demon is causing it. Then players start hitting. Then the shit fan JuJu kicks in. Then all the players get injured. Then we sign a guy names Jack and he plays multiple positions and hits .120.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  JackFrost

Adell confuses the shit out of me. One of the fastest swings. One of the hardest swings. Really good exit velo. Used to get eaten by off speed pitches. Now he crushes off speed pitches and fastballs are the issue? He’s always one thing away from being OK that guy.

Is it multiple hitting coaches faults? Is Jo just stupid? Or has the one constant been shitty Angels fan JuJu? He’s been shit on from one direction or another since we drafted him, since Arte owned the team at the time. My bet is that as soon as he lands in Tampa or where ever after we let him go he starts damaging stadium walls with home runs to go with plus defense because he’s escaped the slough of despond that is playing for CtPG Guy.

I mean, look at Canning. All he had to do was get the Rocky Mountains between himself and CtPG Guy’s constant need to keep it real and manage expectations so no one gets fooled again and Arte doesn’t feel the pressure ease up and he’s golden. It’s science.

BannedInLA
Super Member
21 days ago

People need to come to grips with the reality that Adell is a classic case of “all package, no present”. Many such cases

steelgolf
Legend
21 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

He is a product of the mindset of “draft the best available HS athlete “, not best available HS baseball player, just athlete.

BannedInLA
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Bingo is his name-o

2002heaven
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

See my comment above about small market teams.

steelgolf
Legend
21 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

And fire the manager who hired him.

JackFrost
Legend
21 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

At this point I think it would make sense …. The fiasco last Thursday with Detmers and the Tigers moved the needle for me on that question. So yes, I would support that as well…

2002heaven
Super Member
21 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Except for Schaneul.

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