LA Angels Monday News Crash: Tests

Over the weekend, the Angels designated Carl Edwards Jr. for assignment and sent Victor Mederos to Triple-A. They brought up Jose Fermin and Jake Eder from Triple-A. Nolan Schanuel is undergoing tests on his right knee. The Angels got swept by the Twins over the weekend and it was pretty ugly.

Tyler Glasnow has right shoulder discomfort and might end up on the injured list again.

Eugenio Suarez hit four homers in the same game. It’s not something you see every day.

Jazz Chisholm Jr.’s suspension was called off but his fine was left in place.

Player/Fan Interactions

An Angels fan apparently touched Tommy Pham as he was trying to field a fly ball in the left field corner. Pham made an obscene gesture and got fined and suspended for one day. A fan said something inappropriate to Jarren Duran about his suicide attempt and Duran took it badly. The fan got ejected. If anybody is struggling with thoughts of suicide, there is help.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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BannedInLA
Super Member
2 hours ago

I’m not typically in the “trade away assets and tank the season” lot but, this year/roster is tailer made for it.

They needn’t wait until the deadline, either. If someone makes a decent offer for TA or Jansen, do it now.

Last edited 2 hours ago by BannedInLA
Fansince1971
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2 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

This is the year. Get a bunch of young talent and the #2 pick. Completely rebuild the Org around Neto and OHoppe.

Jeff Joiner
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42 minutes ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yes it is.

Rengifo, Anderson, and Jansen are free agents at the end of the year.

Ward has one more year of control left, but we aren’t competing in 2026 so perhaps he can gain some value between now and July.

That could be a nice haul of prospects and ideally a CBA pick for the draft. And it would greatly enhance the chances of a decent squad in 2027 and for years to come.

BannedInLA
Super Member
2 hours ago

Trout’s batting average makes me want to weep. I remember when it bothered me that he was no longer a consistent.300 hitter. Now he’s showing few signs of being a .200 hitter. Let the leadoff experiment ride for at least two weeks.

Zach Neto is some kind of baseball player. That is all.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
5 hours ago

I don’t think Wash is anything close to their biggest problem but I’ve become convinced that either he or Perry are the guys to take the team forward, and he is not a new school guy. I’m also not convinced the team has a solid organizational hitting philosophy. I’m typically against change because I appreciate continuity but I thinks it’s time for some changes.

Fansince1971
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5 hours ago

Just thinking it must be rough to get swept and then have to wait a day to get back out on the field.

DowningDude
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

They’ll dab those sniffles and tears with their buddy Benjamin Franklin.

Twebur
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5 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

…and that’s just from the per diem walking around/gum and candy cash.

FungoAle
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3 hours ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Now we will hear how they had too much sleep

FungoAle
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3 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

And Johnny and Ron’s cousin, George

Fansince1971
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20 minutes ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Right. I just remember from my playing days that after a few losses, I hated an off day. Wanted to get back out there and get rid of the bad feelings.

FungoAle
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3 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Rough, lol. I bet O’Hoppe, Neto, Paris and Joey Adell are up in their suite with a beer bong playing Madden football, “Hey, The Kids are Alright”!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 hours ago

In regard to Pham, I have always known and said that he is a headcase. I agree that the Anaheim fan should’ve been booted, not re-seated. HOWEVER, he honestly thinks he is going to parley that fan’s touch into a lawsuit/paycheck?

Shirley, he must be kidding-No, that’s just the jackass known as Tommy Pham.

Twebur
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Don’t call him Shirley, it will only piss off Tom.

https://youtu.be/KM2K7sV-K74?si=n0qVauQpOdWMIZvi

FungoAle
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Say what you want about Pham and you’re right. But Tommy Pham is the first guy off the bench when a pitcher throws at his teammate. McCutcheon last week, of course Pham was in the middle of it.

Wonder, who would be that Angel player to come out of the dugout first? Rendon is at home. Trout…snark.

DowningDude
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5 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

So is Pham just short for Phamatic?

FungoAle
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5 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

FlaPHAMable

Eric_in_Portland
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1 hour ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Rendon stuck his injured paw n Wanker’s face. Does that make Rendon a great teammate?

Jeff Joiner
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6 hours ago

Heckling a suicide attempt is a new low for baseball fans. Cleveland didn’t have a Boston/Philly type reputation for fan behavior but incidents like this will do it.

Phan has always been a jerk and will always be a jerk. He started a fight at a strip club then sued when he inevitably got stabbed. He’s that dude. But he’s getting older and just about run out of teams so he’ll be out of baseball soon.

JackFrost
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

What was the Duran incident that happened ??

Last edited 5 hours ago by JackFrost
BannedInLA
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

AP reports that the fan’s name has been confirmed as “Jack Ass”.

That is lower than side walk scum on Skid Row.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Well… it sounded on the video like 95% of Cleveland turned on that guy right away. He was running away before security even started looking for him and you can see a bunch of fans just railing him.

Twebur
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5 hours ago

Cleveland as a city, instituted the standard that the D-Cell battery, would become the official battery of choice, to throw at the opposing team during Brown games.

Jeff Joiner
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4 hours ago

That was great to see.

clover_black
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

didn’t pham punch joc pederson and it was somehow mike trout’s fault for being a shitty fantasy football commissioner.

Angelz4ever
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6 hours ago
Reply to  clover_black

Pham puts the Jack in Jackass.

Twebur
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5 hours ago
Reply to  clover_black

Well rumor has it that Trout runs his Fantasy League based on the Arte Moreno School of Business 1990’s infomercial series sold on late night TV. Preaching to be cheap and evil as possible to everyone, all the time.

Jeff Joiner
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4 hours ago
Reply to  clover_black

Pham’s history of jackassery is long and undistinguished.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 hour ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

These are the same kinda people that say racist, vulgar, shit behind fake Twitter accounts.

Jeff Joiner
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6 hours ago

Now is where the fun really starts.

Pitchers have adjusted to Paris. We can start finding out if the kid is legit or if the new swing had the shelf life of a mediocre pop song.

Hitters are absolutely killing Silent C’s slider this year. Can he adjust and stick?

I think Nolan Schanuel is what he is. Yes it is still early in 2025 but he’s simply not going to slug enough to be a linchpin in a top tier offense.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

But with a bum knee, will Nolan still be “flash”? Speed is such a big part of his game….

DowningDude
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6 hours ago

He could still be “flash” … Maybe he can walk around wearing a trenchcoat and a motorcycle helmet.

clover_black
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6 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

ah, the 70s and trenchcoat flashing. i’ll never forgive them for what they took away from us.

DowningDude
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6 hours ago
Reply to  clover_black

Yes. I was 8 years old when some dude ran through our local poorly-named grocery store “Lucky’s”. I was unlucky that day.
⚾️ ⚾️
🪈

(Couldn’t find a “bat” emoji, so I used a flute emoji)

clover_black
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5 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

it was a simpler time without tiktok and snapchat.

also, stephanie edwards was iconic in those lucky commercials.

DowningDude
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5 hours ago
Reply to  clover_black

I swear you must be a brother from another mother. 😂

clover_black
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5 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

 😂  😂 

Halo71
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3 hours ago
Reply to  clover_black

I remember Alan Hammil doing the Alpha Beta ads. “Alpha Beta, tell a friend!’

PedroCerrano
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5 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Poor dude. Being that he was so excited to display it, you would think that he would be described with one of the larger ‘members’ of the woodwind family.

Last edited 5 hours ago by PedroCerrano
Twebur
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5 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Is that a skin flute or an oboe under that trench coat?

Halo71
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3 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

We used to have a Lucky’s by us.

Halo71
Trusted Member
7 hours ago

If you want pretty much guaranteed money, bet the over on pitcher strikeouts against the Angels.

Twebur
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Halo71

Parlaying my Ippei Bucks on the over for K’s and an Angels Loss…. Money.

JackFrost
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Halo71

OR you can bet on the Angels Team Runs going UNDER the total.

OR the total Team Hits by the Angels going UNDER.

Last edited 7 hours ago by JackFrost
PedroCerrano
Super Member
7 hours ago

What is more important for me is that I find myself losing interest. I understood that the team had major flaws and wouldn’t be great. What I had been looking forward to was seeing the younger guys growing into a form that suggested that better things were coming.

I’m more and more convinced that it doesn’t as much matter who the guys are as it does how you equip them to be successful. This team’s lack of basic fundamental skills, the frequency of horrible at bats and no apparent situational understanding is really deflating.

Twebur
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7 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

They are a lifetime away from being a winning organization. I’ve given them my end of times donkey rating…..The 4 Saddest Donkey-Men of the Apocalypse.
When does Football start?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

Look at those poor donkeys. Stone cold. There’s still gonna be plenty of KIDZ watching to do.

clover_black
Super Member
7 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

You can watch mike trout become a husk of corn before your eyes, if that interests you.

Roy Hobbs
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7 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

I get it.

HaloLew
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6 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

I couldn’t agree with you more. I plan my nights around watching the games, and it gives me something to look forward to, but the way they’ve been playing is a total bummer. The poor at-bats, high strikeout rate, and lack of overall execution are absolutely frustrating.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  PedroCerrano

Eh. watch some other teams. Check in on your Angels. Baseball’s still fun. Watch the Tigers and Reds… Padres and Snakes… fun times. Hate the Doyers. Javy Baez is killing it in center field for gah sake.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
6 hours ago

I still love baseball, I just wish that my chosen team played it.

DowningDude
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6 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Our team has simply perfected the art of sucking.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DowningDude

When they are bad they really get BAD. Fkn leather Michael Jackson bad. Dark secret weird bad.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
6 hours ago

Referencing the old joke?

Q: What do the Angels and Michael Jackson have in common?

A: They both wear one glove for no apparent reason.

DowningDude
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6 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Aw come on … it’s “train wreck” interesting at this point. I’m totally entertained on a comedic level. Increase your DGAF level and all will be chill. Even Paddy O getting excited over a pop fly 2 inches from home plate or lil Wayne talking about the Timbuktu Snail Dogs becomes comedy gold.

PedroCerrano
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6 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I do enjoy mocking the Angels broadcast team as they take the art of homerisms to new heights. WTF was that this weekend with Matty V calling out play results prior to that video being broadcast? I know, cheap Arturo sucks!

My commentary is often like this: I’d throw these guys nothing but fastballs until they prove they can hit. It’s like a fricken whiffle ball game!

I remember Ronald Reagan talking about broadcasting baseball games from a teletype feed in the 30s or 40s for smaller markets. He would read the teletype feed and they would then make baseball sound effects like hitting a bat on a chair leg etc. People will tell stories about how crappy this organization is as well.

DowningDude
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6 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Whenever I get down, buddy, I become Laurence Fishburne in this scene:
https://youtu.be/5Gk7uzwptGA?si=vexxSO5YgWEs8kGB

Jeff Joiner
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4 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I absolutely love this movie and this song.

FungoAle
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6 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Starts from the top. Perry is a Grifter. They made a movie about Billy Bean, Moneyball and the flick, Catch me if You Can is attributable to Perry Minasian. He has a lot of folks fooled here over the years and help makes them believe Arte shaped this roster and is the background to another movie, The Fall Guy. Worst 4-year W-L stretch in California/Anaheim/Los Angeles Angel history and not turning the corner. But I do enjoy a good grifter story so I still tune in, it’s so LA.

Still like watching baseball. Let’s go Halos and beat Jedi!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
2 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

LMAO @ “Grifter”

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
7 hours ago

What would the draft situation be like next year if this pace continues? I’ve read the angels won’t get a top pick 2 years in a row so do they get dropped below the 10th pick?

Twebur
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7 hours ago

After if this pace will continues?
We will be picking outside the top 10. So technically, it’s the year of TANKING FOR 10 +

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
6 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Thanks!

Jeff Joiner
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6 hours ago

We will be drafting 10th overall next season unless we get horribly screwed by the lottery in some way I haven’t considered.

RexFregosi
Super Member
9 hours ago

Off to Louisville. There’s a horse race Saturday 🌹

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Have fun!

Eric_in_Portland
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8 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Secretariat will win again

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  RexFregosi

Hell yeah! That’s cool.

Jeff Joiner
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6 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

That is so awesome. Enjoy your trip.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 hours ago

Baltimore is in a contention window, they are off to a terrible start, and they thought they addressed a SP shortage by signing washed 41 year old Charlie Morton. I know this may be too much for Minasian to understand, but how about offering them Kikuchi for one or more of their extra prospects.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Or Anderson, or both.

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Yup. Anderson too. I’m anxious to get the longest contracts off the books. But they could actually use both of them..

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Yup. Baltimore would be a great landing spot for Anderson, Kooch or Jansen…. or all three! MOAR KIDZ!

PedroCerrano
Super Member
9 hours ago

Pretty ugly weekend for all of the teams I follow. Thankful that we had better than expected weather in Oregon this a weekend and that I spent it working outside.

I have friend who tends to bandwagon, who was sending me Yankee, Dodger and Mariners clips yesterday. I’ve had the same teams as favorites for over 50 years and while I value being the human equivalent of a Golden Retriever, I sometimes question the wisdom of it.

2002heaven
Super Member
9 hours ago

Read this morning that Marine Layer’s fave player Anthony Rendon will probably be released later this year.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Yay! So glad I’m known for leading the charge on that. All I have to say is, what’s wrong with today!😀

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

Why? He isn’t taking up a roster spot. No team can take him because he’s hurt. We still have to pay him. What do we gain other than a pile of dicks feeling happy that the always hurt guy is “getting his” for always being hurt…. which, by the way, is how you end up with rectal cancer. Do the Angels actually gain something?

Jeff Joiner
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4 hours ago

He’ll take up a roster spot after this season ends. And that’s when I expect him to be released.

The Angels will pay Rendon $245 million to produce 3.9 WAR for them, or about $63 million per WAR.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
9 hours ago

That fan should be banned for life. A**hole said something that could lead to somebody dying. Maybe he should do some jail time.

I was thinking about buying the streaming service when the Angels were doing their winning kind of things. Glas I was skeptical now. Looks like the same team that gave that got swept by the White Sox last season. Still a mess.

A friend of mine was telling me he thought it was losing Soscia that led to the Angels decline. I told him I thought Soscia was great before Analytics took over. What do you guys think? Give me some stats so the next time I argue with him I’ve got a leg to stand on.

2002heaven
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

The team will probably be sold to a out of state buyer from TX, TN or NC once Trout and Rendon are gone.

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Any Coach or manager has a shelf life and sometimes you just need a new voice in the room. It was time for Scioscia to go a few years before he did. It’s not like those who followed him were great with analytics either. I offer Rom Washington as Exhibit A.

red floyd
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8 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Rom Washington? Is Nog Washington or Quark Washington available?

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  red floyd

Damaged brain cells or Siri are the two excuses I’ll offer.

DowningDude
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6 hours ago
Reply to  red floyd

I think his memory is random access type. Not read only.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mikeal1st

I think catastrophic failures of our post Weaver/Wilson young pitchers was a big deal. The team didn’t see the extension market coming and thought they could buy solid FAs and then got faced with a lot of markets that had 2 good FAs and a bunch of crap. Catastrophic injuries and failure of the FAs they did sign hurt. Trout sucking since he was extended really hurts too. We’ve also tended to have a lot of players lost to injury a lot of seasons, not just star players.

No manager is gonna win with those issues.

That’s why I love the pain. We gotta suck and build up some kids. We need a lot of kids cause many of them will suck. But there is no quick fix for our issues. Gotta just live with a bad team for a while.

2002heaven
Super Member
6 hours ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

The Angels were already bad when he was here

DowningDude
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Leading to the Angels decline.
@jeff_joiner isn’t there an article where you covered the decline of the Moreno ownership? I can’t remember.

But basically, it was the firing of Eddie Bane (in 2010?) along with the corporate mentality of ownership to not staff up after critical departures. Corporations post 2009 pretty much “do more with less” and when someone leaves (brain drain), it’s up to those who are left behind to add to their usual jobs to do what the departed person used to do. As opposed to staffing up again, accordingly to the loss of critical staff.

That’s my belief.

Soth (Scioscia) had little to do with it, except that his message was stale.

We need much better foundational organization in our entire baseball operations. Scouting, development, etc etc etc

DowningDude
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6 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Here is Jeff’s article. Please read the comments specifically the one I scanned quickly and saw from Turks Teeth. You’ll know the entire story.

https://crashingthepearlygates.com/2022/10/06/arte-morenos-legacy-of-abject-failure/

Jeff Joiner
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4 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

That is one of my favorites.

JackFrost
Super Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Stale ?? It was 5 yrs old rock hard dried bread.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

As I remember, aside from 14, he was being outmanaged by the shift, as well as other analytics.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
10 hours ago

The Halos should send Paris down and sign Eddie Rosario. I would say cut Newsome too, but another warm body would need to replace him.

2002heaven
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I said we should’ve signed Harrison Bader…

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

I like Bader. He’s not really hitting enough to save us right now, but I still like him.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 hours ago

Rosario got snatched up quickly.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

He isn’t the only Newsome that needs cut from their job.

toad2065
Trusted Member
7 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

You really want to cut Gavin Newsom?

DowningDude
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6 hours ago
Reply to  toad2065

Can he hit????

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

He seems to be switch hitting now.

DowningDude
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

BUT WHAT A SMILE!

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  toad2065

At least Rendon pretended to show up for work. Newsom would be ‘working remotely’ from a restaurant in Napa.

JackFrost
Super Member
11 hours ago

Good morning everybody.

Today is a new day, with no game and no automatic loss. Learn to appreciate the small things in life.

So, if we look at the numbers after nearly one full month it does look pretty bleak and bad for the Angels as an offensive ballclub. And what makes it worse is that we actually have hitting talent in the lineup! These guys lack direction and the benefit of a team approach. That of course falls on the coaches and manager. But I’d say especially it falls on the hitting coach.

Right now the Angels are one percentage point from being dead last in the entire League in batting average. We are at a paltry .212, and only the lowly White Sox are worse at .211.

2025 MLB Team Hitting Stat Leaders | MLB.com

And as far as strikeouts are concerned only three teams are worse. But perhaps the most condemning stat is the fact that we are DEAD LAST in OBP !! Yes, you heard that right.

This is maybe the single most important stat for an offense and nobody is worse than us ! And really it is not even close. We are the worst by a good amount.

2025 MLB Team Hitting Stat Leaders | MLB.com

Folks, this is not about a lack of talent.

Fire Johnny Washington.

Last edited 11 hours ago by JackFrost
Pineapple12
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10 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

MINNEAPOLIS — The Angels’ offensive malaise starts with the most fundamental problem: putting the ball in play.

The Angels struck out 13 times and had four hits in their 5-0 loss to the Minnesota Twins on Sunday afternoon.

During their 15-game slump, the Angels have reached double digits in strikeouts in 12 games. They have struck out in 32.7% of their plate appearances, while batting .188 and averaging 2.3 runs per game.

Logan O’Hoppe, who was the cleanup hitter on Sunday, said the blame belongs entirely on the players, not with hitting coaches Johnny Washington, Tim Laker or Jayson Nix.

“I think that this funk is just easy for people to point fingers at, honestly, the wrong people,” O’Hoppe said. “It’s not J-Wash’s fault that we’re striking out so much. It’s not Laker’s fault. It’s not Nixy’s fault. It’s my fault. I’ve punched out way too much the past week, and I know other guys would say the same thing. It’s no one else but us. I think that’s part of the frustration of it too. The blame is getting put on the wrong people.”

Manager Ron Washington said they want the players to have a different approach when they get to two strikes, but what they want and what’s happening are two different things.

“Once they leave what’s being told to them and step in the batters’ box, it’s totally up to them,” Ron Washington said. “We can’t hit for them. All we can do is give them the work, get them in the right direction, and they’ve got to take care of the rest. It’s not happening right now. And it’s not just one or two people. This is up and down the lineup.”

Other than Zach Neto, who had a double on Sunday, no one has been hitting well over the past week. The collective slump actually began on April 11, the day after the Angels (12-15) scored 10 runs and hit six homers. They haven’t scored more than five runs in a game since. They’ve lost 11 of the last 15 games, getting shut out three times and scoring one or two runs four times.

“The way we’re going right now, it’s not working,” Ron Washington said. “But all we can do is just keep grinding. That’s all we can do. We know we are better. It’s a matter of making the adjustments that we’ve got to make.”

“It’s got to be up to (the players) to go up there and put better at-bats together,” Washington said. “They’re working on it. They’re working every day. They’re talking every day. But once the game starts and those guys go between the lines, they’ve got to get it done. … It’s not just a couple guys in that lineup. It’s up and down the lineup and that includes all the big guys. If our big guys don’t go, where are we going?”

https://www.ocregister.com/2025/04/27/slumping-angels-hitters-strike-out-13-more-times-in-shutout-loss-to-twins/

Last edited 10 hours ago by Pineapple12
Fansince1971
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Why all the strikeouts?

I think the reason is pretty obvious.

These guys are swinging super hard with a swing meant to increase the launch angle. That works when you connect but also creates holes in your swing. This increased launch angle thing is preached by batting coaches these days since it’s a way to increase the likelihood of hitting HRs which is one of two flashy stats in modern baseball (with the K).

You can see the results on this squad. When contact is made the ball is launched high and far. When it’s not, the players walk back to the bench with a pop up, fly ball or K.

Make no mistake- this is taught. There are countless technologies directed at measuring launch angle.

The problem is that over 162 games, teams that have CONSISTENT offense put balls in play. When they hit a HR there are usually players on base. They hit a single with runners on 2nd and 3rd, not swing for the fences. Over 162 games, baseball is all about increasing your chances of success.

Someone is teaching these guys to swing for the fences. It’s absolutely endemic on this team. It must be the coaching, right?! Too much of a coincidence otherwise?

Pineapple12
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Hmm, am I going to listen to starting catcher, Logan O’Hoppe, and manager, Ron Washington, or online posters?

It is easy to blanketly blame the coaches when you have 0 insight on what goes on beyond the games you watch.

Fansince1971
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9 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I would ask are you going to believe team-speak ie PR type stuff or your eyes?

JackFrost
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Fan, this is essentially what I am saying with my comment right below …

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

You’re correct we don’t have insight into what’s going on but we can see the bad results. So, it’s either lack of talent, poor coaching, complete lack of players heeding supposed good instructions, bad organizational philosophy, or some combination and the participants all say it’s no one’s fault. There is at least a recognition of bad results which cannot be denied but there is apparently no plan to do anything different or anything about it. So something magical will happen or what? It reminds me of when Scioscia would defend poor performance either by coaches or players his response was always “They’re working really hard and no one works harder.”

There is zero accountability in this organization for anyone, players, coaches, or management.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

There likely is accountability. They just aren’t publicly accountable to us.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 hours ago

True.

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Online posters. No way O’Hoppe is going to throw shade on his manager or coaches.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

But Washington is so stupid. And logan is a weak puppy who is afraid to say anything. I know, because I have watched 100,000 innings of baseball.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
6 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Keep in mind Washington blamed a player for not getting down a bunt that should have never been called.

Wash isn’t a fan of having coaches take blame.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

I agree. I think, unless you are VERY strong naturally, launch angle isn’t really your friend. Some hitters are actually figuring that out this year…. none of them are Angels.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
7 hours ago

Total agree. Swing low, finish high to backspin a ball has ALWAYS been a thing. Trout was a beast, because he was strong like ox, quick like fox with a short backside to his swing and was a line drive first hitter. He kept his bat in the hitting zone longer than others.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  PedroCerrano

I think there will be a shift towards old school Paul Molitor type guys eventually. Especially among the “athletic but not huge” players. They will still get paid, so they won’t sell out for power. Guys like Pete Crow Armstrong, Corbin Carroll, Jaren Duran, Butler in Sacramento…. FOs are starting to see the value and pay for it. Young hitters will learn to be OK with 20HR/40 2B/ 30 SB/ high OBP.

Neto is actually a good example. Has pop, but it’s never gonna be his calling card.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
5 hours ago

He can hit. I wonder sometimes if he’s the hitter version of a max effort pitcher as he swings as hard he can a lot.

JackFrost
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Well, I have a couple of responses. First, I like O’Hoppe. He is one of the leaders on the team. As such he is always going to take the high road. He is trying to protect his guys, by which I mean the coaches (J. Washington, Laker etc.) I would EXPECT him to do this.

Do you really think he’s gonna sit there and say “Our overall hitting philosophy is poorly constructed and not conveyed well.” ? Do you think he’d say that? I don’t. We need to take his words with a grain of salt and look beneath the surface. He is being what we’d call a “good soldier.” You take the fall for your superiors.

Second, even if we somehow get to the conclusion that it is all on the players and absolutely NONE of it has to do with the coaches you are still left with a situation that needs to be addressed. And of course, you cannot fire all the players. So, the most obvious thing is to fire the hitting coach. Even if it is unfair (and I personally don’t think it is) it is the only realistic action to amend not just a bad but a horrible situation. If the Angels were middle of the pack in these things you could say, give it time etc… That is not what we are looking at. It is BROKEN. At this time firing the hitting coach is the most logical thing to do.

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MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

If I had the band width, this is the post I would’ve written! 😀 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  JackFrost

Nah. What player goes out and starts railing against people in his club house? when has that worked ever? Manager – Nicky Lopez. That’s not gonna happen and I don’t know why we look for it.

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I would attach this to the email from Minasian thanking him for his efforts firing Washington. Isn’t this your job, to figure things out and try to win.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
7 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

The players aren’t going to call out a coach this early in the season and cause even more drama.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Sounds like Washington doesn’t care at all. I am so much smarter than him. I hate him with a capital 8. We need Ersty. I need more screaming and fuming. I need to feel them feel my feelz! I want them to fk the bad hitters like an animal. I want them to feel me from the inside. It’s time for the whips and ball gags!

Kevin
Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Interesting take Frost. I don’t really agree though. I suspect it is about organizational philosophy. They want HRs. They want pop at almost every spot. They are willing to sacrifice pure contact for that. They aren’t the only organization that does this stuff. The Braves won with it a couple years back.

It’s more a talent issue I think. Neto is good. O’Hoppe is a nice piece. Soler is a DH that plays like the philosophy outlined. Trout is coming back from multiple injuries and years off. It’s unclear what he has left. Rengifo has always been a steamy guy. He gets hot later in the season usually. Schanuel is what he is. He’s your contact guy. Adell is a big swing and miss guy. Anderson cannot hit anymore. Paris was nothing before he re-did his swing and found power. Now he needs to adjust. Ward is the one other player that could make more contact. But he’s Taylor Ward and hitting 20 HRs or having the ability to do so is why he’s gotten paid. If he hit 8, he’s gone.

JackFrost
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin

So, you basically confirm what I am saying and then state that you disagree with me ????? Makes no sense. My focus on the coaches is the same thing as “organizational philosophy.” I mean, who do you think conveys and teaches organizational philosophy ?? It is the coaches.

Now, if you want to point the finger higher up, that is saying something different. I would not disagree with that, however, the most immediate source of the philosophy is the coaching staff — they are the ones interacting with the players on a daily basis, so that is where you start. I mean, nobody is going to fire Arte and Arte won’t fire Carpino. We all know that.

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MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I agree with you Jack.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  JackFrost

So. Big picture. Arte is the reason Trout and Paris both swing from the heels with their eyes to the heavens all the time.

Deep.

JackFrost
Super Member
7 hours ago

Lmao. Did I say that?

Kevin
Member
24 minutes ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I think it is Perry and whatever he hears from those at his level. My point was it isn’t that Washington’s son cannot coach or the like. They are teaching what they are told to teach — so I agree with that point you made.

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

You had me at your last line, “Fire John Washington.”

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  JackFrost

Well, yeah. It’s a lack of talent.

I doubt they fire anybody this early. But J Wash is certainly in the cross hairs. The team is gonna suck. It’s not gonna be a powerhouse either way. But if almost ALL the hitters can’t hit and none of them are getting better…. well, who gets canned? The team’s gonna suck, but the season’s not a waste of kids learn. If Washington can’t get some improvements to happen he’s got to go. He probably gets at least the month of May to get some guys on track. Then he becomes the shame firing.

JackFrost
Super Member
7 hours ago

My timeline is alot different… I think the whole month of May is way too long; assuming we don’t see significant improvement in the next two weeks. Perry and Wash both said the goal or plan was to win THIS YEAR. With that being the case you would not wait until your team is hopelessly buried in the standings to take action. You would do it earlier to correct course .. I mean, we are LAST or second to last in almost all the major hitting categories.

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JackFrost
Super Member
7 hours ago

The season is not a waste if “kids learn”? You are aware that the vast majority of our position players are not kids, right? So, your argument that losing is acceptable because “kids” are learning does not hold water.

DowningDude
Legend
6 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Johnny Warshington is a deck chair on the Titanic.

JackFrost
Super Member
5 hours ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Ummm, not sure I agree. But I think I get your point. Do I think firing him changes the overall direction of the franchise? No. That will not happen until Arte either dies or sells the team.

HOWEVER, I do think it can kickstart the offense. And help the team score moar runs which will lead to moar wins. So, my theory here is not “Moar Kidz,” it is “Moar Runs = Moar Winz” !!

bobblanton
Trusted Member
11 hours ago

I predict we will not strikeout today and we will not lose

Angelz4ever
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Even odds on that my co-depressed friend.

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Bold hot take!

Pineapple12
Super Member
12 hours ago

Something that will get lost in the conversation because our offense is in a historically bad stretch — Jose Soriano’s expanded arsenal.

Sinker
4-seam FB
Knuckle-curve
Splitter
Slider

Sori bounced back nicely yesterday after the Pirates lit him up in his previous start, and that’s what good pitchers do. He will continue to be the most important arm in the org.

JackFrost
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

One thing of concern is the extreme home vs road splits…. He is very good on the road and terrible at home. And of course his next game is at home vs a good Tigers team, so watch out for that. In addition there will likely be added pressure in that game as he’ll be trying to help as avoid being swept as the first two games line up as pretty easy wins for Detroit with Hendricks set to go against Mize in first game and Skubal for Detroit in second game …

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I think it’s still small sample size and hopefully it will normalize to the good side. We need him to work out for our future.

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