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September 11, 2024

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Angels News

Angels lost yesterday. They are 3 wins away from avoiding 100 losses. Angels never lost 100 games before. Ever.

With that loss, the Angels are officially eliminated. It is official, the Angels won’t go to the playoffs yet again. Haven’t been since 2014.

Ben Joyce is on the IL now. Hurt his shoulder throwing so hard.

Oh and Rendon is hurt too. But that is a given at this point. He won’t play more games this year than he did in 2021 after all. Unless he heals fast enough for the last 5 games of the year.

Around Baseball

Schwarber has the new MLB record of most leadoff HR with 14. And who said that power hitters were bad leadoff hitters?

Marlins will get a new City Connect jersey next year. Which makes 9/21/24 the last time you will see these.

Yoshi is back for the Dodgers. Right before the playoffs.

Meanwhile ReyLo is hurt. Right before the playoffs.

White Sox so bad that the Celtics had more wins than them since March. Watch as the Angels lose to them 4 times.

Manny Machado is now the Padre all time HR leader. Yes, really. 164 HR is embarrassingly low. 8 Angels have more than that, for comparison.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Seven more loses. The White Sox can totally DO IT! Man I wish we could get 100 losses so we could truly be as bad as we act like we are….

We could get tattoos and shit…..

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RexFregosi

1 month ago

Change the name of the team?

so looking at the teams that lost 100 games….

the last time Brooklyn did it, in about 1905, they changed the name from Superbas to Dodgers the very next year. and the Dodgers never lost 100 games.

The last time NYY did it, in about 1911, they changed the name from Highlanders to Yankees the very next year. And the Yankees have never lost 100 games either.

Now i don’t think we’ll lose 100 games this year, but got me thinking – maybe we change the name of the team to change the fortune.

~~Los Angeles Gorillas (of Anaheim)~~

nah – just start getting navy blue back to the unis.

Last edited 1 month ago by RexFregosi

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AngelsFanInHell

1 month ago

Reply to RexFregosi

The name is the only thing keeping me around. It just needs to be the California Angels and I completely agree that the Navy blue must return.

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Marcotor

1 month ago

Reply to AngelsFanInHell

Unlikely MLB would allow it to happen. As there are (for now) five teams in California, including another American League team (vs none in 1966), why should the Angels be the single team to represent the entire state? Bringing back the proper blue (not the Disney blue) would be nice.

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halofansince1978

1 month ago

Wagaman wearing #34…is nothing sacred?

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cookmeister

1 month ago

Reply to halofansince1978

other people have worn the number since

What happened to him is tragic, but it’s not really a sole reason to retire a number or prevent people from wearing it.

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RexFregosi

1 month ago

Reply to cookmeister

Zach Plesac wore #34 this year – they kept it off the roster for over 10 years until Thor in 2022. Wagaman will be the third one.

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Twebur

1 month ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Who’s Wagaman? 🙃

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halofansince1978

1 month ago

Reply to Twebur

Exactly Tweebs.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

This day still gets to me. 23 years later and I both want to cry and feel my blood boil.

I pray we never have another day like we did on September 11th 2001 again.

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PedroCerrano

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Me too. I spent that day in a hotel bar watching the news and talking through the state of our world with a close friend. His business trip got cancelled as all travel did so we invited him to stay at our house. Shortly after we arrived home my brother called to tell me that our mom had been diagnosed with terminal cancer. I’m a pretty high capacity guy but that was my limit.

He’s a former MLB player so we spent that evening in schoolyard behind our house throwing each other BP. Nothing made sense that day but I knew that I knew how to hit a baseball.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to PedroCerrano

We’ll always remember where we were. I was working for a grocery store and it happened to draw the super early shift for the milk delivery. Normally I would have been asleep.

The delivery driver told me a bomb went off in the Pentagon and we found a tiny black and white TV and watched the second plane hit live. Me, my manager also named Jeff, and this random guy.

Sacramento was a ghost town that day. Remember, 2 of the highjacked planes were bound for SF. I remember walking around downtown and seeing fighter jets but no people.

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PedroCerrano

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Forgot about that. I was working across the river from downtown Portland and F15s were flying aircap over the downtown highrise buildings for several days.

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halofansince1978

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Never Forget!!

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Mikeal1st

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I was at home when I saw the second plane hit, just as I was putting on my shoes. On the drive to work, passing Ontario Airport, I couldn’t help but wonder if a plane would fall from the sky. Then, Bill Handel came on the radio and said the tower had collapsed—it was gone. I spent the day with my math students, listening to the radio and talking about what might happen next. I remember telling them that there would probably be war with at least one country, maybe two. On the way home, it struck me how eerie it was to see no planes landing at all.

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cookmeister

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

i pray we have a day like September 12th again

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I wrote a comment in reply and then backed out of it. It was getting too emotional.

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RexFregosi

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

yeah i had to stop looking at instagram tribute posts from NYC

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halofansince1978

1 month ago

Tonight’s Lineups

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/angels-vs-twins/2024/09/11/745857/preview

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angelslogic

1 month ago

I hope the team finishes the season with 10 wins and 7 loses…..

Then my 70-92 prediction will be spot on. 😃

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RexFregosi

1 month ago

Reply to angelslogic

All I care at this point is to avoid the 100 loss season. Almost there – a few more wins, I will pop a bottle of champagne 🍾

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Fansince1971

1 month ago

Reply to RexFregosi

That’s a very low bar. Don’t pop the good stuff.

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red floyd

1 month ago

Reply to Fansince1971

He’s got a bottle of André

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Fansince1971

1 month ago

Reply to red floyd

Andre Cold Duck 😂

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

The Angels have no third base prospects and Rendon’s contract is not going away. I fully expect Anthony to be back with the MLB club in Tempe.

Ideally we sign another third base capable player, use Rengifo to start the year at second base, and end up with Moore at second and prospects for Rengifo.

Yoan Moncada is the guy I’d sign. There’s a piece of my Perry formula in advance.

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

It’s not about prospects, his contract, or lost money. The money is already gone and Rendon provides negative value. Keeping him will not help the club move forward and he is not about our future. I agree that what you said is probably what they will do but all it does is waste time. I don’t like Rengifo at 2B but I do like him at 3B. Whether Moore comes up or not next year, I don’t think he’ll be close to ready. So more minor league ball at the the major league level. There is also no guarantee Moore can actually stick at 2B. Let’s find solutions at 2B and 3B going forward for now and if we have players in the minor leagues that are ready then we will have a nice problem to have. Waiting and hoping is a bad plan. We need to start adding pieces 1 at a time, otherwise it may be 10 years or never before the team is capable of competing.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Also, he makes our mangina’s ache. That’s the really real reason he has to go. The ick. He may not be blocking anyone. He may cost what he’s gonna cost. But no likey no more lookie!!!

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RexFregosi

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Too bad Cole Fontenelle broke his leg, it cost him a year. Otherwise he could have been a contender in 25. Maybe yet still

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Always possible.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Yeah, I liked him in college. Was surprised he dropped to the 7th round.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Ah. OK. Knew about the broke leg. But though maybe we traded him or something. So he’s still a 3B prospect in our system. Cool.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I actually don’t hate Fontenelle as a 3B prospect. Did something happen to him that I missed?

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AngelsFanInHell

1 month ago

I bet Perry could get Rendon to sign an extension for much less than the $38M/year that they are paying now.

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Fansince1971

1 month ago

Reply to AngelsFanInHell

And then Perry could enjoy a lifetime of no employment in baseball

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AngelsFanInHell

1 month ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Do you really think that someone else is going to hire him after being a spineless puppet to Evil Arte?

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to AngelsFanInHell

It took Dipoto and Eppler little to no time to find new gigs.

Being an Angels GM is great for future prospects. You can take credit for any gains while blaming Arte for all failures. And you get that all important experience on your resume.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to AngelsFanInHell

Do you think? Or read baseball news the last ten years?

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cookmeister

1 month ago

We are pretty much locked into the #3 spot in the draft odds. We would have to absolutely tear it up and Washington to stink to drop to #4. In the same token, we would have to really stink and the Rockies would have to be amazing to crack #2.

Hopefully the ping pong balls bounce our way.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to cookmeister

You think, with our fan ju ju, that we’ll stick at 3? Those ping pong balls know we really want pick 7.

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Marcotor

1 month ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Or according to the lore here, MLB will put fingers on the scale to tip the beloved “East Coast Bias”.

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2002heaven

1 month ago

I’ll take starters over relievers any day.
👏👏💪💪

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max

1 month ago

Reply to 2002heaven

I like vanilla over strawberry ice cream

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

I just thought of something. I’m gonna pitch a new movie idea to Eddie Murphy. Anthony Rendon can play the new super villain in Beverly Hill Cops 4. Rendon will play a guy that steals hundreds of millions of dollars from a hapless business owner.

I’m gonna rich MoFos, you just watch!!

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Angelstan

1 month ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

Humorous. BTW why do fans care if Rendon plays in the minor league style games the rest of this season? Joyce almost certainly won’t. Trout won’t. Nor Adell, Rengifo, etc. This time of year is really to see what non-established players can look decent to maybe have a chance next year. Let the kids play and see if the others are healthy next year.

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steelgolf

1 month ago

Reply to Angelstan

Who is this “Trout” that you speak of?

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Born_in_59

1 month ago

Reply to steelgolf

An amazing ballplayer who we may never see again. I’m glad I got to see him play in person at least once in my life.

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red floyd

1 month ago

Reply to steelgolf

I, for one, welcome our piscene named former overlord.

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to Angelstan

Has Rendone really played this year?

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DowningDude

1 month ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

He’s played someone for a fool with all that cash and no production

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Omahalo22

1 month ago

I’m in awe about anyone who reports on this team. You could just use boilerplates for every game. You guys are invested. I checked out in May. Kudos for keeping it up though.

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halofansince1978

1 month ago

Reply to Omahalo22

45 years invested in them for me…not quitting on them now.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to Omahalo22

Thanks. Perspective is the key.

Back in the aughts wins and losses mattered. Every game was one step closer or further from an AL West title and post season berth.

This year is all about development. Really, only the results of a few players mattered. So I concentrate on how the future looks more than the present.

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Charles Sutton

1 month ago

Reply to Omahalo22

This is actually easier reporting than the lockout era. Yikes. I was posting links to recipes and coloring pages that year.

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RexFregosi

1 month ago

Reply to Charles Sutton

coloring pages and recipes sounds better than Angels September baseball.

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Charles may have to resurrect those for next year.

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halofansince1978

1 month ago

Go Silent C…we can still take the series!!

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grichmanpoorman

1 month ago

Pipeline says we have the fourth-best crop of pitching prospects in baseball. I’m not sure if that speaks more to the org or to the iffy state of MLB pitching? https://www.mlb.com/angels/news/top-organizations-based-on-pitching-talent-2024?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

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Mikeal1st

1 month ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

I’ll believe it when I see it. We’re still so bad we’re bringing them up with almost no MiLB experience.

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DMAGZ13

1 month ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

I think this is a big deal

Dana
Aldegheri
Klassen

But TGA is coming and I’d expect Dakota and maybe Barret Kent to improve to prospect status.

I’m interested in the kids on the DSL team. There might be 6-7 pitching prospects in the pipeline next year not including Urena, Erla, Kerry etc.

I’ll give it to Perry. But he has to start cutting the chord on guys like Sandoval and Canning.

I do wonder if he’ll start using a few prospects to land some offense. They have no offense prospects although I’m interested in Randy De Jesús and Rio Foster. I wonder if they’ll end up at AA next year. I’m starting to lose faith on Rada… he’s just so undersized I’m not sure that he becomes strong enough to be consistent on offense.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to DMAGZ13

Need guys like SandyCann so that you can roll out prospects, let em take a beating, but have someone to eat innings a couple times a week.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

I’m definitely going to recycle this for Weekend Links.

Dana and Klassen are legit prospects.

Bachman is healthy, TGA and Kerry have good stuff.

Add in Detmers and Silseth and there’s enough to dream on a decent rotation and bullpen mix.

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grichmanpoorman

1 month ago

Hopefully Joyce is just an abundance-of-caution thing… or even better just a save-him-for-next-year thing. Threw 53 innings between RC and Anaheim this year… not exactly Seaver-esque, but a career-high including college.

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DMAGZ13

1 month ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

I was not sold on Joyce at first because he never pitched on back to back nights in college. I’ve always worried about his load. He’s pitched a lot more than I thought he could. I just think he needs to shut it down until next year. Save it for next season. Hopefully he can make the early saves that Estevez blew this season.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to DMAGZ13

I kind of doubt he’ll be a constant closer. I think the pen should go 90 Reds style and have three leverage arms that can close if needed. Can also rest one if needed. We kind of have the mix of prospects and Quesadilla types to maybe see that develop. Some crazy years where Torres, Joyce and Quijada all have over 15 saves…. or something.

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Kavadas now on the road to .200

Kavadas > Rendone?

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Cowboy26

1 month ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

Niko Kavadas first 8 MLB games 27 Plate appearances .042/.148/.167 14 strikeouts

Niko Kavadas last 9 MLB games 34 Plate appearances .290/.356/.516 10 strikeouts

Strikeouts are still a little too high and these are really small sample sizes but the big palooka may just make it as a viable MLB LH power bat for years to come .

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to Cowboy26

He seems like he has some tools, but his swing is a little wonky though.

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Cowboy26

1 month ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

His swing reminds me of a Left handed Napoli

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to Cowboy26

LLLLLIIIIIIFFFFFTTTT!

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Rendone nor Canning should return next season.

Rendone –
2021 (58 games): .240 / .329 / .382 / 6 HR
2022 (47 games): .229 / .326 / .380 / 5 HR
2023 (43 games): .236 / .361 / .318 / 2 HR
2024 (57 games): .218 / .307 / .267 / 0 HR 😂

It’s comical how bad this fucking (Sept) guy is. He is an embarrassment. DFA DFA DFA !

Griffin Canning has the third-worst ERA (5.35) among 60 qualified starters and the worst FIP (5.26).

Canning is the only qualified starter with a FIP over 5.

https://x.com/bmags94/status/1833684494551077050?t=4H5sGrH-k3Dk2L3CKm3LVQ&s=19

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

The Angels are wasting the best golf days of Rendone’s career!

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

RenDone is maximizing his days in the nursing home, on Arturo’s dime.

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Charles Sutton

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIr0FYGC_Sk

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PedroCerrano

1 month ago

Reply to Charles Sutton

Bonus 😂

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Only two more years left until Rendone (Officially) retires.

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Roy Hobbs

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

The problem with Rendon is that regardless of the fact that you have to pay him, he provides no value. He is well below replacement as a hitter. If he was even an average hitter things might be different.

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Fansince1971

1 month ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

That’s why you get rid of him and open up a roster spot.

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Oh yeah, we got a real barn burner 3B prospect waiting in the wings @ AAA.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

There are free agents. Almost any of then would be an improvement.

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Fansince1971

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Exactly

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Until they wear our uniform…..

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RexFregosi

1 month ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

Gary Gaetti says hello

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

A new 3B would give you guys someone new to complain about. That would be cool.

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Fansince1971

1 month ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

That’s irrelevant. Plenty of other ways to fill that position.

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Lightning strike?

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

As well as his awful fielding and throwing, and a toxic presence on the few days he’s actually in the dugout.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I know? How many times do players and coaches have to come out and talk about how much they hate the guy right? But Arte loves him soooo….

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I feel bad for the guy. Is there a part of his body that isn’t fked up by playing for these shitbag fans in their burial ground? Maybe he’ll be able to drink a bunch of Tom Brady Juice this winter and use his lower body again next year, but baring that, what’s he got?

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Fansince1971

1 month ago

Spend-on is such a douche. I would really love it if this Org just walked away from him. It’s a big financial loss and it’s not my money but I would really enjoy seeing it happen.

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TrojanBoiler

1 month ago

Reply to Fansince1971

I wouldn’t put it past Perry. He has walked away from some big contracts before. He just signed that extension so he may be feeling confident enough to do something this drastic.

Fingers crossed.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

If he did it, I would be more inclined to support his unservedextension.

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GrandpaBaseball

1 month ago

I did not see yesterday’s game, why did Washington leave Canning in so long?

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

He hates Canning, that’s what I’m going with.

Last edited 1 month ago by Angelz4ever

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PedroCerrano

1 month ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

When your team sucks as bad as the Angels do you need distractions. I like to guess at just what guys talk about.

I imagine it went down like this:

Washington to mound: “Griff…gonna need you to wear it today”

Washington to coaches after his return to the dugout: “I told that f**ing AAAA scrubb he needs to suck up some innings.Last thing we need is for any of our real prospects to get hurt…Damn Perry went and released Guillorme, now that guy knows how to pitch when you’re getting boat raced! “.

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Mikeal1st

1 month ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

A. So he can work on his issues.
B. So, we have a better draft pick.
C. So his value goes down and is cheaper later

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to Mikeal1st

D. Wash bet Ippei that Canning could go more than five innings
E. All of the above

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Mikeal1st

1 month ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

I knew I was missing something

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Saving the bullpen?

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

For what?

I think leaving Canning in plus pinch hitting for Ward, Neto, and Schanuel in succession was some sort of meltdown for Wash. it wasn’t just not chasing wins, it was chasing a loss.

Consider: down 10-4 but two on, no out. I can imagine a scenario where Ward walks, Neto doubles, Schanuel singles and it’s 10-8. Instead we had 3 scrub pinch hitters who all struck out.

It’ll go hardly noticed in this losing season but it was weird. I believe in trying to win. If Wash wants to see what Wagaman can do, start him

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

I should’ve used the sarcasm font, but I don’t know how to do that.

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Mikeal1st

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

there’s a font for sarcasm?

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

Reply to Mikeal1st

I know there’s one in those sbnation sites. Here we can use /s or whatever it is…I’m apparently not up on the codes.

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red floyd

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

Usually sarcasm font is monospace.

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cookmeister

1 month ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

We had no long reliever available since Juarez pitched the night before.
The bullpen was taxed. They had to pitch 8 innings on Sunday. Sometimes you just have to have a starter bite the bullet to save the pen.

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GrandpaBaseball

1 month ago

Two Bags needed a rest, imagine our surprise. Joyce may not be a long-term full time closer. Major League lineup or is our line-up a AAA line-up or even just maybe a AA line-up and roster? While I’m not at all sure, it is fun watching all the new faces-at least for GMB and myself.