Angels lose series to Cleveland

I wanted the Spiders. They could have been the Spiders. Red and blue, Spider-Man promos, it would have been great. Instead they are the Guardians. No offense to Star Lord but it is just not as cool.

What else is not as cool is that the Angels still had not won a series since the sweep vs the Marlins. Marlins being the worst team in baseball mind you. A Marlins team that has also just traded their best hitter to SD.

Enough about that though, how did Canning do? Well, he went 6 innings, giving up 2 runs on 4 hits, striking out 5 and walking 1. Jose Ramirez just got him after 2 straight days of just missing them.

Which wouldn’t be bad, if the Angels had a competent offense today. But the did not, scoring only 1 run through 8 and putting Canning in line for a big L in one of his best games this year. Seriously, 0-6 with RISP. That is bad.

Highlighted Recap

Jo Adell hit a Sac Fly in the 2nd to give the Angels the lead.

1-0 Angels

That is how it stayed for most of the game, until Canning made 1 mistake in the 6th.

2-1 Cleveland

While it remained close, it did not last as Cleveland added 2 more in the 8th.

4-1 Cleveland

Angels lose. Again. The Angels have not won a series since they swept Miami. Sigh.

Upcoming

@Pit and home vs KC this week. If there were a week to get better it is this one. I have little hope TBH. I will be there at the Big A on the 10th for Teacher Appreciation Night as I will appreciate my school staff family members by making them watch Angels Baseball. That sounds cruel actually, but it wasn’t meant to be.

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StarLord
Member
12 days ago

What?
Nobody is cooler than Star Lord!
😎

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
12 days ago

Arte Booed on the Angels home opener, not one post about seeing him around, not one article about him, he alone controls the budget and that includes the payroll. Not allowing PTP to do his job is in itself a crime (Although keeping Saurez on team is just not computing for me) that only a putrid owner would make, and it really does stink. After all is said and done it is all on Arte starting with lousy Free Agent signings, firing scouts, not feeding proper food to the minor player’s, not hiring experience GM’s, wanting to control the roster, not hiring executives that have a clue, the list could go on, but what’s the point as you and everyone else knows what the issues that plaque the team.

From Angels Fans-New Owner Wanted

 🕰  The clock is ticking Arte  SELL!!!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

I really don’t think Arte cares. If he did care, would he have allowed things to get this bad?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

It seems that some really thought this team would win more than it lost. That is amazing to me.

There’s no shame in a 100 loss or more season. Accumulating high draft choices is the best way to increase the possibility of sustainable success. The model used by the team over the past 15 years did not achieve results and was unlikely to ever build a “winner”.

Embrace Cole, Kevin, Willie, Suarez, and the struggling prospects. This is the way.

MarineLayer
Super Member
12 days ago

I’ve been a fan of this team since 1961 and I honestly feel this is the low point in franchise history. It’s the worst I’ve felt as a fan No hope.

FungoAle
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Low point absolutely but I sure was not expecting much this year. It’s really nice to watch the team play without the $30M AAV players who fail in more ways than one.

2GA2Join
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Yikes. I actually made a similar post a few days back. You’ve been a fan a lot longer than I have (80s). Do you think perhaps after the 2000’s you increased your expectations for the team, making this feel worse, or do you truly think this is the worst ever?

Fansince1971
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

The Angels were pretty awful in the early to late 1970s. But there was Ryan and Tanana for excitement and then Grich came over in 1977 and there was Don Baylor and Brian Downing. I think those teams were more exciting than the current Angels team – and they really began to build toward 1979 which was a super exciting season. So, I get where Marine Layer is coming from. The current team reminds me of some of the clubs from the early 1970s which were pretty mediocre and not great to watch.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
12 days ago

So… Arte decides to sell, making a million wet dreams come true.

WHAT guarantee is there a new owner will spend like a drunk sailor on all the shiny toys you think the Angels need?

WHAT guarantee is there a new owner will invest the required time and money into rebuilding the player development system?

WHAT guarantee is there that the “offer he turned down” is still even near the value of the team these days, sans Ohtani?

Nearly every “Arte sell the team!!!!!!” comment I see (and not just here) seems to just take for granted we are going to get an owner who will invest heavily in the farm, magically know how to only sign FA’s who don’t suck, drop ticket and concession prices by 30%, et al.

There are no guarantees, so be careful what you wish for. For every Steve Ballmer there is a Robert Nutting. For those of us long enough in the tooth, it wasn’t that long ago a beloved Angel owner was pleading poverty for his “small market” team and offered up the Angels as a sacrifice if MLB had chosen to contract.

clover_black
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

all good points and now I hope arte lives to 100 then bequeaths the angels to John carpino

Cowboy26
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

But said Owner pleading poverty also invested in player development and ultimately developed the best farm system in the MLB that lead to a World Series Championship and an extremely successful run in the 2000’s.

How can it be any worse than it is now?

Last edited 12 days ago by Cowboy26
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I agree. It could be worse but it isn’t likely. Yes there are no guarantees with a new owner but I believe it is unlikely that a new owner in 2024 won’t be interested in success and investing in the team, or have more money. Might not be everything you want but more likely than not will be better than the current situation. It’s not just the latest years of losing, This organization has not been a consistent winner since 2009 which is 15 years. Arte inherited or purchased a pretty good situation and was able to ride it for 7 years and then his organizational issues caught up with him.We have nothing to lose, I’ll take my chances with a new owner.

JackFrost
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Well said …. all the Arte defenders like gitch etc. completely miss this point.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Arte bought the defending World Series champions with a top 5-10 farm system.

To take that, add Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani, and still accomplish a decade of losing while burning the farm system into the bottom 3 in the league is failure of epic proportions.

The odds of a new owner being better than Arte are substantial.

2002heaven
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Ackchully he didn’t do any of that.
He inherited all of that from the Disney ownership including GM Bill Stoneman.
First of all until we actually get a good competent President Of Baseball Operations (POBBO) expect the status quo to keep on going. Also if he wanted to, he could invite other outside investors to come in. However why would he do that and lose decision making power? Almost every top shelf level team in American Pro sports has a President Of Player Operations (Atlanta Braves, Golden State Warriors, Kansas City Chiefs).
BYE!!!!
 💪 

Fansince1971
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

There are no guarantees in life. You can only increase and decrease odds. The odds that the Angels will be a better Organization will go way up when Arte is gone. Just getting rid of Carpino, Kuhl and Jolly from high up baseball Org positions will make the odds better.

2002heaven
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Perry will be gone
His contract is up, I could also see Wash getting fired before the season is over. This team is really staring at a 100 loss season for the first time ever (1980 team lost 96 games worst record ever so far. This season is really mirroring that and remember we lost Nolan Ryan after the 1979 season).

MarineLayer
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I don’t care one way or another who manages the team. We will suck no matter what. That said, I’m unimpressed with Washington. Every time he puts Suarez into a competitive game, he proves he’s not an answer to our problem.

JackFrost
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

It is not his fault that Suarez is on the active roster. A manager basically HAS to use the players on the roster. There aren’t enough slots to hold guys and not use them. The Suarez complaint lies at Perry’s feet. I mean, it is not like Wash brought Suarez in to close a one run game or anything..

Last edited 12 days ago by JackFrost
Twebur
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’ll throw out a few guarantees for 2024, 2025, 2026.
None of those Angel team will win at least 81 games…I guarantee it.

2GA2Join
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

I’d like to see you remember those predictions. 😆

FungoAle
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

How many Ippeitani bucks do you have on it?

Twebur
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I’m stealing $2.00 ($1.00 for each of us) from Shohei’s account, he’ll never miss it. Putting it in escrow until October 2026, winner gets it. Setting a reminder on my iPad for then, so I can cash in.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

I’ll throw one billion Schrute Bucks into the bet.

Last edited 12 days ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
Brent
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

We got ourselves a good old fashioned case of Stockholm Syndrome here, boys and girls.

2GA2Join
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I pretty much agree with lots of the replies here.
We’ve had years to see how Arte runs the team. It isn’t working. If you think collectively over the past decade, we’re one of the worst teams in baseball.
If Arte stays, you already know what you are getting.
It is overwhelmingly in our odds for a new owner to have better results at this point.
Yes, there is always uncertainty, that we could end up with a McCourt situation.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

right, because Arte, through his GMs, doesn’t want to tear it down, he wants to remain competitive….except we haven’t been competitive. Surely he’d have noticed it by now

MarineLayer
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

The only guarantee there is we will suck as long as Moreno owns the team. So I’m happy to take my chances with someone else.

clover_black
Super Member
12 days ago

Bummed I missed this gem but I am having fun watching the dodgers.

Cowboy26
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

Who?

clover_black
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Apparently they’re a team that can be found off the 5 and all their fans look happy it’s weird.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  clover_black

That Ohtani guy seems like an okay ball player. His last team must have won many championships while he played there.

max
Trusted Member
max
12 days ago

The Ham Fighters???? lolz

FungoAle
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

‘Man, I just can’t. I won’t dial in to watch baseball being played in the ghetto sound box called the Latrine. Duck Fodgers.

Twebur
Legend
12 days ago

Loser always find a way to lose. A little this, a little of that, sometimes a lot of this and that. But, usually the loss is never in doubt. It’s just a matter of in what inning it’s “game over”.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
12 days ago

Another quality start wasted. I can tolerate losing every game if there’s growth and a plan for what’s happening next. Unfortunately, I don’t think the plan part is happening and what’s happening next is a complete unknown. What happens with Perry and the current staff, and whether Arte sells is all up in the air. And if he stays, will he spend any money. I have been following the Angels since their inception when I was a kid and there have certainly been some lean times but I have never felt as despondent as this year. There is just zero hope for the future at this point. I’ll still follow because I like the angels and I like baseball, and owners, players, and staff come and go and I’ve outlasted all of them. I also enjoy the intelligent fan community. We’ve become one of those teams that has an all star representative not because they are deserving, but because we have to. No matter how bad we were, we were never that team. I hope by the end of the year we have a young nucleus to build around although I have no idea what will actually happen after this year. Very sorry to be so morose but as many have already stated, we are lifeless right now and don’t even have real players in all nine spots.

Last edited 12 days ago by Roy Hobbs
Angels2020Champs
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Attendance: we are still averaging 29,000+ for home games this year. 14th in the league and we’ve had 3 of those 15 games be Wednesday 1pm starts.

Last year we averaged 32,600/game. The big one for me is away attendance.

This year we are the 3rd from last (20,900) for away attendance and last year we were 5th best (31,400+ and within 1300 cubbies)

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
12 days ago

It’s probably a little early for Attendance impacts but as the year goes on things may change. If they don’t, I have no answer.

2002heaven
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

We should trade Carlos Estevez.

clover_black
Super Member
12 days ago

that’s not “butts in seats” attendance, the kind that the Baron of Billboards covets so much.

It’ll be a ghost town by July

Marcotor
Trusted Member
12 days ago

Sans Ohtani and (as usual) Trout, the road numbers are easily accounted for.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I think there is a large enough sample size to draw that conclusion as well. Numbers aren’t outliers as we havent played in Oakland (6800/game… they actually are well attended on the road). Will be interesting to monitor. Ticket prices haven’t dropped on 3rd party sites for home games like I thought they would after Trout’s injury. Another thing I’ll keep an eye on.

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I agree. Never thought things could get any lower as an Angel fan then watching live the pitch that killed Donnie Moore in 86; one strike away from 1st WS. Today, we get another hurt Trout, more wasted $$ on Rendon, inconsistent pitching and hitting, zero prospects, cheap owner, and the list goes on. Adding to everything is living in LA, the continuous gloating and mockery of the Ohtani thing by Dodger nation. Can’t even wear my cap at the the pub or gym without someone making a comment. Yes, darkest days but I will still go to the stadium. For the love of the game and always dedicated to the Halo.

MarineLayer
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Rengifo an All Star! OMG.

Mia
Legend
Mia
12 days ago

It’s really rough not even having Ohtani shenanigans to break up the suckage.

Gonna be a long season, boys. Maybe a truly horrible season will push Arte out the door. 🤞🏻

Last edited 12 days ago by Mia
JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Mia

This is what I’m hoping for as well. Hopefully attendance for home games will drop off significantly as a result of this suckage. The best thing that could happen for this organization is Arte selling the team.

aces666high
Trusted Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Sadly I think that offer Arte turned down was as good as it will get. He’ll get “lowballed” next go round. This team is so unappealing to anyone else but its fans. We’re just kinda there w/the other whatever teams. Trout isn’t Trout anymore sadly so what do they have left that’s marketable? Nothing and nothing in the wings.

Our dumb ass owner cutting off his nose to spite his face to stick it to the fans hoping he’d go away cost himself a few hundred million dollars easily if he does try to sell. Chump change to guys like him but I do LOVE that he’s a laughingstock to that world of owners for losing out on $$$$$ and wasting the careers of TWO once in a generation players. That takes some skill. The bad kind, which he’s full of.

Mia
Legend
Mia
12 days ago
Reply to  aces666high

It’s a professional sports franchise in Southern California, they don’t hit the market too often. I wouldn’t worry about the value dropping.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
12 days ago
Reply to  aces666high

Arte’s gonna look at that refusal to sell by the Dolphins owner at $10 billion and think the Angels must be worth that, too.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
12 days ago

Wishful thinking means imagining Pittsburgh and Kansas City are the same as what they were the last few years but they’ve both rebuilt

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

We are wasting Cole Tucker.

Cole ‘effin Tucker.

Twebur
Legend
12 days ago

Wasting Willie Too!

MarineLayer
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

And Kevin Pillar.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
12 days ago

Canning built in the last few innings of his last start.

We’re a bad team. Losing series 2-1 is to be expected.

steelgolf
Super Member
12 days ago

Better line em up, it’s going to be a long, long, long season.

Mia
Legend
Mia
12 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Shots! Shots! Shots!

steelgolf
Super Member
12 days ago
Reply to  Mia

🤣

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