Hey Mickey! Hey Mickey! Angels Kick Off Country Weekend With 5-4 Win Over Twins

The Minnesota Twins were in town to greet the Angels as they returned home from a meh road trip that ended with a nice win. Reid Detmers faced off against Joe Ryan. The pitchers traded zeros for the first two innings before Taylor Ward opened the scoring by driving in Zach Neto with a sac fly in the 3rd inning.

Detmers delivered another donut in the 4th inning. In the bottom of the inning Brandon Drury made Hunter Renfroe’s leadoff single count by lining a double to make the score 2-0 Angels.

Then, after Rengifo drew another walk (one good thing he does?) the Angels put on a double steal. Catcher Ryan Jeffers tried to throw out Rengifo at second but the ball sailed into center allowing Drury to easily score.

Neto then struck out but the damage was done. 3-0 Angels.

Both teams went down 1-2-3 in the 5th inning, but the big story was Detmers had a no-hitter going into the 6th. Unfortunately, I am bad luck for the Angels, because I first turned on the TV at this point and 5 seconds after it came on the no-hitter was over thanks to a Byron Buxton single. After a Farmer hit Detmers was replaced by Jimmy Herget who proceeded to give up the lead allowing a Kirilloff double to score 2 runs. After the Angels failed to answer back in the bottom of the inning we were tied at 3 after 6.

Here’s a video recap of Detmers 12 strikeouts that were awesome but assured that he would not have had a full no-hitter regardless already being at 100 pitches.

Tucky D replaced Herget in the 7th and immediately gave up a Willi Castro homer to put the Halos down by one. A couple outs and a single and Zach Weiss became the new pitcher, successfully ending the inning thanks to a homer steal from Mickey!

In the bottom of the 7th, the Neto and Moniak show was back on. Immediately after the crowd engaged in a “Take Me Home Country Roads” singalong Neto hit a double down the line and Moniak tripled him in!

With the score freshly tied, Hunter Renfroe was clutch and drove in the go-ahead run.

Nothing much happened the rest of the way, allowing Estevez to come in and close out the game with a fun kickoff to country weekend at the Big A!

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steelgolf
Super Member
1 year ago

Where is the game thread? Also the military jets that are going to fly over the stadium just buzzed my house.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Hey donkeys. Walsh may be a little rusty tonight. Maybe he’ll have an error or strike out three times. Ready to turn on him like a pack of dickless hyenas who have discovered one of their own has been injured?

Let’s do it!!!

My same rule applies to Walsh as it does most players. I’ll give it about 30 games before I even try to decide how he is whether he starts hot or ice cold. Hoping for solid defense and an .800 OPS if he’s aided by a platoon split with Drury/Urshela sometimes.

Twebur
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1 year ago

Free Donkey rides start tonight. He’ll have some pain, some rust, closer to playoff glory with him, even if it takes 30 games.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

Fun fact, in real life I actually like donkeys. They seem like nice beasts.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago

I think we can push that to the ASB. Just getting his defense back will be huge.

He’s been seeing the ball well at AAA, so i’m hopeful the rust will be minimal.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

You will be pleasantly surprised.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago

Ok lay-off Walsh, got it.

But if there is any miscue in the OF, I’m calling out the numbskulls that DFAd Phillips.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Why? he never played anyways.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Something to complain about

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  RexFregosi

Perfect.

DowningDude
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1 year ago

Walsh caused Sandoval meltdown. 😄

🫏

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago

Walsh batting 6th. And scooping up low throws.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Word.

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tanana40
Super Member
1 year ago

Interesting, a right hander on the mound for Minnesota but no Moniak in the Angels line up. So much for playing the hot hand.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/twins-vs-angels/2023/05/20/718096/preview

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  tanana40

I wondered abut that too. Minnesota’s starter does have some serious reverse splits action going on ( LHB .677 OPS vs RHB .812 OPS) so Im sure that had a lot to do with it. Probably why Rengifo isn’t in the lineup either

Varland is also alot worse on the road ( .909 OPS ) then at Target field ( .628 OPS)

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  tanana40

The line up’s out. I gotta find something to be bitter about. Drury. Why is Drury hitting there? OK. I’m good.

I feel like the Angels can take this game pretty easily if they just don’t create three runs for the Twins with crap defense.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

I know this was a takeoff of the Titans NFL bit but it’s still pretty funny. https://twitter.com/trashpandas/status/1659310389576843265

Kiyotchan
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1 year ago

Being consistent with my superstitious tendency and belief, I request that someone other than me post today’s official starting lineup! I am already close to my tears. I know, I know, there is no crying in baseball, but I am also manly enough to admit that I cry.

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Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

uh maybe little too much?

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

2002’s little bro is adorable 😄👍🫵👆👊🤛

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Kiyotchan
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

My twin brother, whom I thought I always had!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Walsh is back and Brett Phillips is DFA’d.

Oh happy day!

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Need a new Hat Monger!

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Let the challengers declare themselves.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Obviously I’m happy about Walsh.

But I don’t know that I celebrate Phillips’ departure. As much as people here made fun of him for being the “hat boy,” I felt he was a good dude to have around. He won’t light the world on fire with his bat, but he did have good speed, and he actually won us a game pretty much single-handedly when he stole a couple of bases and scored a huge run in the getaway game against the Nationals…

Also, he was the epitome of “team player.” That guy was not an ego-driven dude. You need guys like him on your team.. So, yeah, I appreciated the intangibles he brought to us, and also the fact that he was a great baserunner and pretty good defensively …

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Maybe he ends up in the great Salt Lake and can return later in the year?

This move also opens up another slot on the 40 man. We now have 2. So theres definitely change acomin’

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I was a little surprised that it was Phillips and not Soto, but now having Moniak as a decent outfielder and runner, it makes sense, too. I remember with fondness the game Phillips literally won all by himself. He could have been used more in my opinion, and that is on Phil Nevin, who only started lately using aggressive running game. Everyone agrees that he has been a great clubhouse guy and cheer leader though many of us made fun of him.

I for one hope that no one claims him, and he decides to remain in Angels organization in some capacity. However it is going to be for him in future, I wish lot of luck to him.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Yah. Baseball wise Phillips did his job just fine and the job he did was what he should be doing. I hope maybe we can get to keep him at SLC.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I respect the opinion, even though I don’t agree. I think being “a clubhouse guy” is overrated.

If that’s what he brings to the table let him join the coaching staff.

Thank Brett for what he’s done this season and wish him the best. We just have a better option now.

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JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

I am not saying his roster spot isn’t better filled by Walsh. AT ALL.

If that is what you got out of the comment your reading comprehension is pretty low.

What I was basically saying is I would rather of sent Soto down.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Cool.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

Yeah Mia. Learn to read good. LITERACY GRIT!!!

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago

I’m just another victim of the California public school system.

I demand financial compensation.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Get in line

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

We need to blare the Kars 4 Kids jingle outside the governors mansion until we get what we are owed!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

I actually saw the California version on MLB.TV show. Oregon has its Kars 4 Kids commercial using a totally different set of kids, but using the same jingle. Does each state have its own version? I know we are not supposed to talk politics, but I smell one party over another here.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I honestly could not say.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

If you can spell reparations correctly with this pencil and I can read it….. you get reperations.

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Mia
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Mia
1 year ago

I’d like to phone a friend or ask the audience.

MarineLayer
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Many basketball teams have an aging vet on the bench who is a clubhouse guy.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Not sure I would call Phillips an aging vet.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Indeed they do. And he usually functions as an extra coach with very limited time on the court.

I understood why Brett was on the roster, but when a better option presented himself I was also fine with moving on.

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

That guy was not an ego-driven dude

I appreciated the intangibles

was a good dude to have around. 

the epitome of “team player.”

We aren’t good enough to have a “great team guy” that’s an auto out.
And this team has had its share of guys that can’t hit over the years. Nevin actually (or whoever decides the lineup) had relegated him to be Rengifo’s OF defensive replacement. Don’t need to worry about a him being a pInch runner, we don’t run. OF defense, though not great (Renfro is the best) doesn’t need to be replaced late in games. Kinda of a dumb signing to begin with.

But yes, good guy to have on a deep well oiled ballclub, not a meh .500 team. Maybe in another life.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

It was a perfect signing. Did you just have Magnificence Sierra in your CF last year? Yes? Never again? Yes. Is your team kind of slow, did it have shit OF defense last year? Yes? Is Trout made of glass? Maybe worried about Ward?

OK. Well, give this guy a million dollars. He can run the bases and cover some OF innings. Maybe fill in for an injury for a few games while you find another starter. Or hold down the speed/defense spot on the team till an MiLB guy gets a couple months of reps. Then you can cut him if it turns out you don’t need him.

This is exactly what he did. We’re gonna be OK.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

5/20…. Jared “Grump” Walsh day. The day the Angels begin their 106 game win streak.

angelsown3417
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Welcome back Walshie!

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Defense has been atrocious all season, it has affected coaching and line decisions infected confidence in field play and most importantly the Win/Loss record and lower our chances to make the playoffs.

Why was Soto brought up instead of Squid? Why is Rengifo in games after the seventh inning? Is Trout a liability in CF or is it Ward in LF that makes you hold your breath on fly balls. Thaiss just a click away from his next E? Urshela and Drury having to blink at the wrong time scary on balls hit to them?

Grades at position fielding;

!B. Drury B, Urshela B, Lamb C+, Thaiss C.
2B. Drury B, Urshela C, Rengifo D,
SS. Neto A-, Urshela C+, Rengifo C-, Fletcher B.
3B. Rendon B, Urshela B-, Drury C, Rengifo C.
LF Ward B-, Rengifo C-, Moniak B+, Warm Bodies C.
CF Trout B, Moniak B+, All others B.
RF Renfroe B+, Rengifo C, all others C.
C. O Hoppe B+, Thaiss C, Wallace B-.

Because of bias I may have graded a bit high, but I took into account speed-arm-routes-Best Plays. Example is Ward catch over short left field fence and then tossing ball to a kid and catching what looked like a for sure double in LF corner in Baltimore and in Boston.
The timing of errors and then subsequent pitching, especially with two out are just over whelmingly poor at best. Playing more than one position is very difficult because of the amount of practice reps at each position. At 1B will improve remarkably with the return of Walsh and even more so if he hits LHP.

Twebur
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Cowboy26
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1 year ago

uh Grandpa, Brandon Drury has not played one game at 3B this season. So is your assessment based upon ESPn or past Lylin eyes?

When you say “All Others” & “Warm Bodies” I suspect you are referring to Brett Phillips since I cant recall that theres been anyone else manning the outfield other than the players you mentioned. I am kind of shocked that you wouldn’t give Phillips an A for his defense since the metrics are pretty high on him despite his other non defensive deficiencies.

Relative to Squid he hasn’t appeared in a professional baseball game since April 28 so I suspect he’s hurt.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah. All this has done is made me want to know actual facts about who has been doing what where defensively.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

Who has done what at each position? Watching the games will tell you that. Neto has high BBIQ, he knows what is happening in real time and just what to do. Just watching these kids play and you too will have your opinion on each based range, arm, reaction time, speed. Fielding is all based on opinion as Official scoring is opinion as all fielding metrics are. So, what facts do you want to use?

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Uh maybe real facts?

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Uh-like what for instance?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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This isn’t the hill to die on amigo.

He’s basically asking “Source?”

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Self-explanatory, all metrics concerning fielding are opinion based. Take shortstop, if a SS with limited range makes very few errors, both physical and mental, then he will have high fielding %. Another SS with much better ability to go to his left and right but shows up with more error’s along with more Put Outs will have a lower fielding avg.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Damn those opinion based numbers.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Yay. Baseball IQ…. again.

I’d like to see actual numbers, league averages, etc.

Am I the only person on here who feels a little nervous when I want to boldly type out some “PLAYER? He sucks! I think they should all take a shit in his car and then make him drive it to Salt Lake!” so I go Google my thought droplet real quick just to make sure PLAYER does indeed suck compared to the rest of the players?

I get the feeling 95% of this site just doesn’t even know what “average” player looks like. But if you bring it up they just flop back to squealing about ten years of baseball like it’s been 400 years in Egypt.

Not necessarily GPB, but a lot of folks.

Note: Average player, defense and offense all rolled into one, is 2 WAR still. Dear Rengifo. Please be 2 WAR (adjusted for playing time).

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The battle between the old school “eye test” proponents and computer tablet holding analytic number crunching nerds started to rear its ugly head.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Just based on his right side play is all and he could still end up playing there. He played 3B for the Reds and was no Brooks Robinson.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’m aware of this, but he played there for the Reds, he could end up there after Walsh starts playing, so it is good to be realistic to consider Drury as our Jack of all trades playing there and possibly very soon.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago

I read your grading of Angels defensive players with interest. Since MLB also gives out Gold Glove awards to pitchers, this list would be amiss if you do not include our pitchers. Is that OK if I give Shohei A- (I am a bit biased), equivalent to that of Neto? I think Shohei letting several ground balls hit in his direction go to Neto twice so that the amazing SS can make double play is exhilarating to witness. Shohei covering the first base when baseball is hit to the right side is also pure text book. I think Canning is pretty good defender too. Rest of them, I have no positive or negative comments.

Last edited 1 year ago by Kiyotchan
GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Shohei and Canning can field at the pitcher’s mound very well.

Twebur
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1 year ago

Soup Dragons once said….

Don’t be afraid of your freedom
Freedom

I’m free to do what I want any old time
I said I’m free to do what I want any old time
I say love me, hold me.
Love me, hold me. #1 Who chooses to love him, hold him, sign him?
‘Cause I’m free to do what I want any old time
And I’m free to be who I choose any old time #2 Does he choose to be better?
#3 ERA over/under 2.99?

https://twitter.com/LAAngelsPR/status/1659994050727149569?s=20

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

What took so long to come out of the ether?

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

And before them, The Rolling Stones did.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Do you think Fletch meant mentally, physically or both?

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Sick and tired of being sick and tired……probably woke up from a night terror with Jimmy Herget and Steve Cishek having a bases-loaded 2-out pitching dual.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

so possibly a lot of interesting roster moves in the works as earlier as today.

Whose roster spot will Walsh take when hes activated today.Will Soto be Optioned? ( This would be concerning since then our backup shortstop is Gio and backup 3B is Rengifo) Ward Optioned? ( Walsh plays a serviceable outfield but then Rengifo would have to play left field against LHP’s) Will Phillips finally have to get a real job on the janitorial staff? Could there be a secondary move as well since Cabbage did not play last night and the Angels took Adell out of last nights game in the late inning?

Relative to the bullpen. Without any bullpen moves tonight, our potential closers and late inning relievers consist of Devenski Wantz and maybe Weiss . Since Moore, Estevez and probably Barria are not available and I really doubt Phillip would trust Davidson or Herget with any close ballgame. So it wouldn’t shock me if more moves are being contemplated. It’s probably too early to bring up Moranta ( hes only pitched in 3 games for us and pitched last nite) but he probably has some minor league opt out clause coming up. But Maybe the Angels are in the process of bringing up the first of the Trash bullies. (Yovan, Torres or ?)

You have a whole hour to ponder these important questions and more if you so desire…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnuVt5jjRsw

tanana40
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

You have to think that the Angels are doing a trade or two in coming weeks. The question becomes who do they trade for bullpen help?

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  tanana40

Adell seems like the obvious choice assuming he has enough value

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

I previously suggested swapping a combination of Andrew Velazquez and Adell with Aroldis Chapman of Kansas City. Chapman has auditioned well for the most part (3 blown saves with 18 appearances, 1 save, 6 holds), and it is essentially a foregone conclusion that he will be traded before All Star break. As you might imagine, KC front office is jammed with numerous inquiries for Chapman’s service and his value is climbing as we speak. Chapman is clearly not the same Chapman when he was with the Yankees and Cubs, but he will be better set up person and occasional closer than Davidson or Herget.

I would also be happy to add Jose Suarez to the mix because I read that KC is looking for pitchers in general for future possibilities, and I am afraid he will not be effective as relief role for Angels this season either.

Last edited 1 year ago by Kiyotchan
FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I’m think Squid 🦑 will make them say yea

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Kansas City ribs with Calamari! Makes me hungry and thirsty for cold ones. Ooops, no alcohol as long as Angels keep winning.

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

They might need a DH next year….. I’m just saying. Adell might have a spot on this team next year….not even mentioning that Renfro is a FA come October

tanana40
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Yes, I think Renfroe is the issue to think about. Is he just a one year player for us? Or will we try to extend him 3 more years or so.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

With tongue in cheek (English has a lot of weird expressions, by the way) even with Renfroe gone, I heard Ohtani has played a mean RF with strong arm when he was with Hokkaido Ham Fighters. Platoon DH spot amongst Adell, Trout and Ohtani?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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If you bref Ohtani he barely played OF many years ago and was eh.

I looked because one of the excuses for giving a 29 year old pitcher 60M a year for ten years (made, of course, by the same fans who have screeched to the heavens that Arte needs to never sign a free agent deep into their 30s ever again) is that after his arm falls off he can play a mean RF cause he’s Ohtani.

But no. Nothing really points to that accept fantasy gas. He’ll be a very expensive DH with a fair amount of swing and miss to his game when ever he can’t pitch anymore…. and that’s if what ever injuries he accrues allow him to DH when too hurt to pitch.

I love Ohtani. I just don’t want to pay him when he’s 35.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

How about when he’s 42?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

That’s gonna be awesome. 65M. why not?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago

When I joined this site, I realized that I was Ohtani’s fan first and became Angels fan because Ohtani joined thanks to some fiery discussions I had on this site. Because of this site for the past 5 years, I started following Angels players closely so Angels are clearly my favorite MLB team.

Angels should not pay more than 5 years unless they can somehow backend the contract without incurring luxury tax. I know the pain on Angels fans that Albert Pujols 10 year contract caused. From reading all of these posts, I get a feeling that Angels fans on the most part love having Shohei play in Anaheim, but they will be horrified for Angels to offer what the most media are reporting 10 plus years for over $500 mil. It might just be me but I desire for Shohei to go against all these mostly east coast biased pundits and do something really unique because he is a unicorn. But, It makes most sense that he goes to a team with a combination of highest offer and potential to make the post season consistently. Whoever that team is going to be my next favorite MLB team. I will be sad, though.

Last edited 1 year ago by Kiyotchan
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Kiyotchan

Seriously, if they pulled some wild assed contract like 80M a year for the next 3 years, down to 35M a year for the next 3 then 20 for 3 then 10 for 2 years or something I’d be stoked.

Wanna shatter the earth? Wanna keep a lifetime Angels hero along WITH Trout? Be the first player/team to pay a guy OUT THE NOSE while he’s worth it and then have the contract’s value tapper off as he gets less valuable so that he has a shot at still being on a winner in his old age cause his team can afford to pay younger guys… or just go be Pujols/Hosmer at age 37.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago

Your suggestion makes way too much sense, and that is the reason why I think that is not going to happen. There is one huge difference between Japan and America. Here we have professional agents like Nez Balelo (Shohei) and Scott Boras, who would never agree with a contract that you suggested. Japanese players do not have agents represent them; they directly negotiate with the team, or it is more like the team organization tells the players what they are going to pay, take it or leave it. The way NPB organizations renumerate their players is totally based on the numbers, so their next season can increase and decrease based on what that player did on the field. (One player this year took 70% pay cut, and he agreed to sign.) Essentially a single year contract; only few selected players earn multiple year contract there. You probably would prefer the Japanese method.

But we can always dream, right, Gritcho-Sensei! I would love that Trout and Ohtani mosey on down into Southern California sunset together after 5 World Series in a row.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Kiyotchan

I have actually advocated for a method similar to the Japanese method. Not as strait forward “the team tells you what you get” as Japan.

But some version where every player is a free agent every 5 years, just as an example. And every positive individual metric has a value… or just create an agreed upon version of WAR for pitchers, relievers, position players. But find a way to make sure defense, moving runners over, middle relief, catcher skills etc get valued.

You’d need a way to pay injured players too.

Then have every MLB player get paid accordingly. So if Ohtani does Ohtani things, he gets PAID… literally like a star pitcher AND hitter each year from year one. If a rookie comes up for 32 games this year but hits like a beast he gets the same cash per hit, RBI, walk, HR, assist, put out, etc as Mike Trout.

Maybe figure out some way to allow teams to pay a “retainer” to something up to 6 players per 25 man roster, two of which must be players held over from a previous 5 year deal (so “career” members of the team). Kind of like “max contracts”. But also have that be a set dollar number, and not that high. Maybe allow teams to bonus a couple guys 10M a year as a retainer, another couple 15, and maybe allow “career guys” a little more.

Maybe have bonuses too. Each team votes captains and an MVP who get extra money, etc.

I broke it down once a long time ago though. If you just pay a guy XXX amount per .01 WAR and only allow free agency so that players can go to new teams if they want a guy like Trout would make 80M a year in an MVP season but a flop like Josh Hamilton would make 500K.

Obviously, winning teams will be paying their players a ton of money. But there won’t be any teams pissing away millions on lame players AND young players can make millions from game 1 instead of Rendon or Dexter Fowler. Plus, owners will all understand that, if your team has the WAR to win a WS it will likely cost you, BUT it will cost you AFTER you just won a World Series.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

No team is itching to trade for Adell as a centerpiece, Angels just need to hold on to him and hope he reclaims his top prospect status like Kelenic did.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

All I know is it feels good to see the Yankees have DFAd Hicks today and not a single person is thinking “Maybe?”.

Twebur
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1 year ago

The internets are listening to you CB26………

He obviously hasn’t won a future spot with just a 19 at-bat sample size, but Moniak absolutely deserves a look right now. Not only a look, but a full-time look.

Taylor Ward has an option left, he should be sent down to AAA to figure out his swing. The Angels have other players like Luis Rengifo who can play the outfield if needed.

Moniak has struggled in the minors against lefties, so Rengifo can play left in those situations with Moniak on the bench. I’m still a believer in Ward, but he’s been struggling while Moniak has excelled. It’d be foolish to not ride the hot hand while you’re trying to win now.

BannedInLA
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Agreed. I’m a Ward believer, but the time is extremely f*cking nigh.

Whoever is HOT, plays.

Whoever is COLD, sits.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

It is all about the hot hand right now. The Angels need to win games, and win them NOW.

Every AB, every inning and every game is important as they are on the precipice of perhaps falling out of the race.

I was the first one here to propose a full-time slot for Moniak while letting Ward figure things out somewhere other than in the starting lineup. I too am a believer in Ward, but it may not be until later this season or even 2024 till he recovers his form… Mickey’s bat leading off for us could be a big difference maker RIGHT NOW.

We are not obligated to look beyond what is best for the squad in May and June of 2023. Whatever happens long-term in the OF will sort itself out as we go along ….

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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While I do love baseball, please tell us more about how you were the first one to say blah blah blah.

Guest
1 year ago

Gitchogrich’s sassy comments started appearing on Crashing the Pearly Gates about 34 years after the release of unrelated techno anthem, “Pump Up the Jam.”

https://youtu.be/9EcjWd-O4jI

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to 

I love that beat, definitely put me in the right mindset for tonight’s game, thank you. This might be an appropriate walkout song for Carlos Estevez, just as Narco by Timmy Trumpet for Edwin Diaz. Is there a better choice in your opinion? What do you think?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Coincidence? Dig a little deeper my friend….

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

No problem. There’s more where that came from

btw, your beard is weird.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Chestnuts roasting on an open fire. JackFrost picking on your beard.

clover_black
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

not gonna sit back and let Jack gaslight us when it was clearly me who suggested Moniak deserves a full time roster spot.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  clover_black

Not sure Im ready to let him bat against left handers quite yet. And since Moniak doesn’t have even one at bat against a LHP this year I dont think the Angels want that either. His career splits are severe hitting .216/,275/.392 against RHPs and .042/.080/.042 against LHP’s .Small sample size noted but stil thats kind of baaad.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I see that tonight’s Twins starter is right handed, so that means Moniak plays as lead off instead of Ward in my estimation. And we will see Jared Walsh at 1st base adding another left handed bat, probably as 8th spot. Gotta ease him in. How exciting.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Depending upon the impending roster move the angels could now build a lineup with up to 6 LHP’s. That would be impressive

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

So what we need is more lefty bats.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  clover_black

Could be you did clover… I didn’t read it though… when I brought it up I believed it was a new discussion to the site …

and btw, gaslighting implies I knew what you said and/or did and still denied it. Not the case here.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  clover_black

Nope it was me. He was still a Philly when I was like “He should start for us!”.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

So, it is true that internets are listening and watching us innocent individuals. I become so paranoid that I place masking tape over the computer camera and turn off the computer mike device. Is there something else I could do to reduce my fear?

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Move to Russia ?

hey it worked for Snowden.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I hear that nail goop tea is illegal in Russia. I don’t want to be caught at their customs like that WNBA basketball player. I am afraid I don’t have the political clout that she had if I were to be turned into a political prisoner.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Kiyotchan

Putin definitely wants all the nail goop tea for himself.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

don’t want to get too political here but to be accurate, Snowden got stuck in Russia. He was headed elsewhere when we revoked his passport.

tanana40
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

My guess is that Ward and Moniak will platoon in LF for awhile.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  tanana40

I agree with that assessment. Moniak will also play CF and RF, if Trout or Renfroe take their day off. I still feel that excitement with goosebumps when I saw Neto’s single followed by Moniak’s triple scoring Neto as tying run in 7th inning.

tanana40
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yeah, they both bring a lot of energy to the team. Youthfulness!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  tanana40

I just don’t understand all the love for Ward. He’s been around for six years and had two good seasons.

He has an option, use it!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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You juss don get Tay Tay

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago

In case some of you thought I was going coo coo or I totally concocted a Japanese old saying when I requested nail jam from my hero Gritcho-Sensei to make tea,

https://kano.ac/posts/2018-05-08_15-31.html

I see that all the wrong teams won yesterday. All AL East teams (except Blue Jays because they played Orioles, where I noted Ryan Mountcastle hit three run homerun) and Texas and Asstros. But, I will take a positive attitude and am now more impressed that Angels had split series with the second best team in MLB thus far.

I rewatched highlights of yesterdays exciting Angels victory. That umpire’s ball call on what should have been Shohei’s third strike out in the 7th inning had a huge impact on the outcome of the game because Renfroe hit that bloop single after 2 outs to score the eventual winning run. Certainly Shohei and Angels deserve to have some of umpire’s calls to go our way, but again the question of “luck” looms large on my mind.

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JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Not sure how you have the Orioles being better than the Rays thus far ….

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Ah, that is the reason why I said “impressed that Angels had split series with the second best team in MLB”, implying Tampa Bay as the best though Baltimore is really close second in my opinion and Tampa Bay recently lost a starting pitcher to IL (Drew Rasmussen, one of Oregon State Beaver. who contributed to College World Series championship). They won a close game against pretty good Milwaukee team.

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JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Hmmm. I was sure I read “best.” Did you perhaps make a typo and later correct it ?

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

This site will not let you do that once your post is “followed” or “replied”, as you know. I might be wacky, but I won’t cheat like Jose Altuve.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I don’t see that as cheating. I edit and correct my posts all the time as I often do find typos, inverted word order etc..

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Yes, I do return to my post for correction or improvement numerous occasions. Cheating may not have been the best choice of the word. If I did make that mistake, I would have admitted the mistake and apologized. Something about Samurai Dignity, loosely translated as Scouts Honor.

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rosstrade
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Gritcho-Sensei…..!

Damn, the Gitcho’s status on the board has been significantly elevated.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  rosstrade

I fear for our dear Kiyotchan. He has made an unorthodox and possibly errant choice.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago

I really wanted to insert YouTube version of If Loving You is Wrong, I Don’t Want to be Right to express my utmost admiration.

Could someone advise me? I was able to link website but could not insert YouTube portion. I use Mac/Safari browser.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Kiyotchan

We are so hot right now.

Brent
Super Member
1 year ago

9:07PM (my time) Start time tonight? Ugh…

DowningDude
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1 year ago
Reply to  Brent

change your time zone

steelgolf
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Yep, just go into “settings”.

Halo71
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Brent

Same here

John Henry Weitzel
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1 year ago

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DowningDude
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1 year ago

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  DowningDude

There is no one on the roster today who can match the WTY death-stare. No one.

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Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

Maybe Detmers someday…..and Jimmy Regret has a stare, a look.

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Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Still makes me LOL every time

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

Big Boy pitching well…Get to Costco and buy some more food. Help is on the way.

https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1659799093890408449?s=20

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Moranta had some pretty stellar seasons for the Giants in 2018 2019. But spent most of 2020 injured with a right shoulder strain and a large portion of 2021 with a right flexor strain.

Last year was kind of last cause but if hes truly healthy now this could be a great addition.I’d still like to seem them put Silseth in the pen

We still need more Moore. Since I dont want his arm falling off midseason they need to find another lefty they can count on for innings 5-7 or when Moore needs a blow.

BannedInLA
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Food synopsis. I know nothing about him.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Food synopsis – avoid the pizza at Angels stadium

steelgolf
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Save advice. …….. or is that pepperoni advice?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Taco Bell Colon Cleanse.

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BannedInLA
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’ll take “The responses you get when you don’t correct your typos because you’re lazy” for $1,000 Alex.

Noted on the pizza.

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Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

5-10, 265lb…..I’m guessing that 265 lbs is a lie…no fat shaming here.

Hoping he is a better bullpen option than Jimmy. If he is, get him up here and keep his stomach happy. Get Moore food.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur
Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Cowboy26

We do like loading up on players that were real good 4 or 5 years ago….

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago

In reality many teams do that . The only difference is other teams have success with this strategy.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Hope so … Surely Moranta gives us a better chance to hold a lead than either Herget or Davidson would ….

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Or at the very least hold down the other team’s biggest player during a team brawl.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

How dare you! Tucky D? The Golden Eagle of Low Leverage Relief!?!? How dare you sully his name! You have stolen my dreams.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 year ago

Tomorrow’s starter is Sandoval, who pitched an impressive game against his high school teammate for 7 2/3 innings in the third game of Cleveland series, where Estevez gave up three run home run to Naylor in the bottom of 8th inning after intentionally walking Ramirez. It was 1-1 tied before the home run. (Again, I apologize if the short description of the game horrible flashback.)

I predict that he will have another strong outing to pitch at least 7 innings and will get a win. Seeing Jared Walsh at first base might bring me to tears even though there is no crying in baseball according to Jimmy Dugan/Tom Hanks. And we will be rewarded with Shufflebot. See you all tomorrow evening.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yep I cried alot last year watching Walsh flail helplessly at just about every pitch thrown to him.

Lets just hope hes healthy and back to being the All Star Walshy we experienced in 2021.

BannedInLA
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Dude, that version of Walsh in this lineup? Forget about it…..

This team truly has quality depth. I guy isn’t producing or needs some time, no problem.

I think this team is poised to challenge. I really do.

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Get Rendon back with Walsh, infield defense becomes solid. The offense could become scary at some point. Don’t think this it has fired on all cylinders yet, not a matter of if, but when.

Bullpen needs to find a few more arms, otherwise things will continue to be a struggle. Most night the bullpen is forced to throw too many pitches, too many innings. Starters better start getting some more length too.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Not sure how you get Rendon = “solid” defense.

Lol.

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Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Well it starts with a first baseman how can catch an errant throw.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If the throws aren’t “errant” they’re not so hard to catch.  😉 

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

But They’re only errant if they’re not caught.  🙄 

If you dont understand the importance of the psyche of an infielder when hes throwing to a reliable target at first base then I cant help you.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cowboy26
JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

which came first, the chicken or the egg ???

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

So frickin tired of his sidearming it from 3B. When big leaguers do things you were taught not to do at age 9 in little league, it really pisses me off.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Rallymanatee

He’s done that since college. He basically had the same numbers as Nolan Arenado at 3B till the injuries. That’s why no one changed it. It wasn’t a problem at all.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Arenado “sidearms” it too, and he might be the best infielder of all time. Everyone has a different natural arm slot. The over-the-top stuff they taught at 9 is not how it’s actually done.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Nolan Arenado is one of my favorite players. I loaf him. So I like to compare him to other HOF 3B.

Dude. So we see how awesome Nolan is right? He’s had seasons with RTOT of 15+ a few times. Friggin great. Then I see Brooks Robinson…. he had 12 friggin seasons above 15! Some years he had over 30. Couldn’t hit like Nolan, but jeeez. Makes me wonder if old stats get inflated cause I don’t see how a guy can be twice as good as Nolan at his best some seasons.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago

When I was 7 years old, my best friend was Sparky Anderson’s kid when Sparky was 3rd Base Coach for the Padres. (Got to play catch with Sparky a few times) So I started following the Reds when he got the job there. I first watched Brooks Robinson in that 1970 World Series. It was the first time I was in awe of someone’s defense. He became one of my favorite players after that series. Incredible defender. It was so good, I’ve gone over tapes of his play with my son. But, I don’t think anyone has ever played the position like Nolan. (And there are some other phenomenal third basemen right now too.)

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Matt Chapman…. side arms it.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

Too GA to look. Of late it seems like the starters have gotten a little longer? Nice? Maybe?

Rendon. Has CtPG Guy’s cocktail of dick pills and piss flavored JuJu managed to take hold of a perennial Gold Glover at 3B and make him a yippie wreck? It looks like it, but this !RENDON! He may have the combination of skills, intelligence, bravery and soulful charisma to fight it off and not suck anymore at throwing a baseball. I bet he’s a great dancer too.

Sure, CtPG Guy has pretty much needed him to fail like the bitter psycho fat chick in high school needs the home coming queen to get disfigured in a car crash, but I think !RENDON! may be the type of chill Hercules to eventually overcome two years of rust and physical pain, pain that would leave CtPG Guy “accidentally” slipping references to his hurt into comments to get sympathy replies, and be good again.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

I want to see what kind of effect having blood actually fully pumping through his body has on Walsh. I’ve heard blood is important for people and especially athletes. But I’m no scientist. Still, I think 2022 may have been a season with challenges other than just sucking for ol’ Grumpy Jared.

BannedInLA
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

It seems to me that this team has a lot of positives falling into place at the same time and this could be the beginning of some really successful baseball from here on out.

Renfroe, Urshela, Drury, Moore and Esteves have been productive-to-excellent offseason additions.

Losing O’Hoppe stings, but Thaiss/Wallach have been solid enough to render Stassi a distant memory.

Zach Neto is our everyday SS. Period. Plays nifty defense, runs well and seems to he a bit “clutch” to me.

Moniak and Devenski are promising reclamation projects and Walsh is moments away from returning to the fold.

There’s also some talent making noise in the minors.

I believe the BP will get sorted over the next 1-2 weeks with call-ups.

Biggest concern is Starting pitching. This team needs one more horse to be a real contender, but that’s what God created the trade deadline for. If we’re in it, Perry and Arte are obliged to push their chips in the center of the table and go for it.

I sense and EXCITING Summer in Anaheim….

Last edited 1 year ago by BannedInLA
MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Don’t forget relief pitching.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I don’t think he did. Unless we need to sort out batting practice over the next 1-2 weeks.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Donkey gotta make donkey sounds. Can’t be helped.

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

Shocked this didn’t happen at SB. Seems like an event involving cheap evil Arte.
https://sports.yahoo.com/minor-league-games-postponed-after-locker-room-gas-explosion-reportedly-burns-2-people-005635438.html

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

Shufflebot Tomorrow!

Never mind..I forgot we win the opener and then lose the next 2. Oh well, maybe someday!

Nice win. Very gritty.

BannedInLA
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

I like the element of speed with Moniak, Neto and Rengifo.

Also the aggressive base running overall. How about sending Renfroe all the way from 1st on that Drury double !!!

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yes! Could argue Hasselman was player of the game. Stealing that 1 run ended up being the difference maker.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

It is indeed fun watching our guys scamper instead of lumbering.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

W followed by two L’s !

trAdition !!!

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago

Great win. Yee haw!!