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Angels News
Angels say they won’t trade Ohtani and no one knows what they will do. The team is still not sold and so we are all waiting with no idea what is to come.
They also won’t trade Rengifo. Arte would veto it anyway.
But what they will do is hire a new pitching analyst. Finally, baseball ops hire.
Ohtani’s agent shut down extension talks. Yeah, he gone.
Around Baseball
Teams are extending qualifying offers now. A whole bunch of them. Hard to keep track who gets them and who isn’t. Here is the prediction as the info trickles in the next couple of days. Like Rizzo getting it. And Contreras.
Dusty Baker gets an extension. Grumble grumble.
The next Japanese star is likely to be posted soon. Maybe this one will go to a team that is good.
AL MVP finalists, Judge, Ohtani, Alvarez. NL, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Machado.
Free agency starts on the 10th. Anyone you think the Angels should go after?
Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!
FWIW, Arte is in Anaheim today. A good friend and member of the site saw him in a blacked out Tesla driving on Orangewood this morning.
I have no idea if he’s just out and about or if something is going on. Just passing along the news.
What ever it is it is most likely nephroids and evil and only serves the marketing department.
That Tesla is the marketing mobile!
It was a Del Taco run…..
My FA crush Trey Mancini has been made available. I want to be able to refer to a chunk of our outfield as Trey & Tay.
Trea and Tay – that just sounds better.
TayTrey
If Arte’s not an ultramaroon, or unless he has a buyer ready to go now, it’s time to look at realistic trade partners for Ohtani again.
And no. No one is trading an All-Star pitcher, an All-Star hitter and twelve top ten prospects for the man. Never was gonna happen, sure as hell isn’t now. Should have traded him before August because honestly Getting to watch him for two extra months didn’t mean squat to me.
Hell, I did the PTP Gets the Payroll Down thing as a joke, but seriously, other than being stuck with Trout/Rendon maybe it is time to drop the “we don’t rebuild we reload” bullshit since you have to actually have a load first before you can reload.
Therein is the problem: Arte is an ultrmaroon. He’s screwed this up like he’s screwed up most everything else. Stop the pronouncements in the press. Make Ohtani an offer. If he declines it, trade him. You cannot let him walk and get nothing in return.
Yes. Arte needs to be more transparent… accept for when he’s more transparent.
Arte said near the 2022 deadline he wouldn’t trade Ohtani because Trout and Rendon were hurt and the fans wouldn’t come out to see the team without a big star.
He’s not overly concerned about the long term success of the Angels. It puts Perry in an awkward situation.
Again, for him and this current Org, marketing decisions > baseball decisions.
That is why I am no longer giving them my hard earned $$
Well if you continue to enjoy this exercise of mental Ohtani trade masterbation then go for it. But its becoming clearer & clearer everyday that unless Arte’s selling the team to Marge School or Charlie O , Ohtani will be back net year. Even his agents recent comments seem to indicate that he is favorable to an extension. https://www.ocregister.com/2022/11/08/angels-gm-perry-minasian-looks-to-upgrade-bullpen-again/
I must have missed it. What did his agent say that intimated that Shohei’s favorable to an extension? An extension would be stupid, but at least it’s stupid that I’ll enjoy instead of waiting until the end of July to trade him for Justus Shefield.
Here the obvious question is “what is Perry’s definition of upgrade ?”
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Ung. For the love of God just trade Ohtani. Get what you can and let him win 3 titles with some other team (cool) and then break down into a 40M a year DH for seven years (not cool).
The one team in baseball that SHOULD NOT do this is us. What could be dummer? Oh, yeah, holding onto Ohtani cause “see what happens” and “you never know” and “all in must win” plus “NewOwnerz the Unicorn”.
Could it all work out? Sure. Are we the team that should be rolling those dice? Nope.
Ohtani shutting down extension talks is telling for sure. I will repeat – the absolutely worst outcome which is 100% unacceptable would be his playing the ‘23 season in Anaheim and walking. The team has to either extend or trade him. If extension is off the table……then he has to be traded and the value goes lower with every game he plays in ‘23.
Finally. Substantial information instead of dumb f*** theories about Japanese mothers and sad sack speculation based on feels.
Team declares they will not trade Ohtani this off season. Ohtani declares he doesn’t want to talk about an extension days after. Knowing that chain of events, next should come Angels trade Ohtani. GET IT DERN PERRY!
Waiting to see who NewOwnerz is cause maybe Shohei will want to stay and get paid too much is the same as just letting him walk unless the team sells soon.
I agree. Waiting and seeing is NOT the right move under these circumstances with Ohtani not interested in even discussing an extension. Which is why it is likely that wait-and-see is EXACTLY what this Org will do.
Agreed.
Yes, I’ve seen many people speculate that Arte may do the very thing that most hurts the franchise and all the fans for years to come. Partly because he will do it purely from a business perspective, and also because he is cutting ties with the team, so he may not care about what happens to the team next, because he may not be a fan like we are.
Being a grown ass man with chest hair and everything I expected any sale of the team to involve a “lost off season” and probably a “lost season” as well. I also expected any major payroll/roster decisions to likely not work out the way I want. Hell, I even half expect the team to have its payroll chopped as happens with most teams being sold.
So none of this “Arte’s doing blah cause blah” shit really matters to me. This is the jarring change to the team we wanted…. it’s stupid to complain that this jarring change is jarring or that the outgoing owner is making some WGAF moves. It’s like crashing a runaway car to stop it and then complaining that my drink got spilled.
If the team gets a nice soft unicorn landing instead then huzzah. But, as seems to often be the case around here, if I am actually hoping and really expecting but really demanding better…. it will be my fault when I end up butt hurt.
I understand where you are coming from in your response.
However I see it a little differently specifically in the case of Ohtani. I feel that there should be a way for Arte to get off of the ride without completely screwing up the Ohtani situation…. which is what I’m “complaining” about as you refer to.
Using your analogy, indeed it is true that it is silly to complain about spilling my drink when stopping a runway car.
I’m complaining that someone is using a cruise missile to stop the runaway car.
Nope. It’s just a player. One player. It’s just not that big a deal.
Even if he is arguably the best player in baseball?
And from at least a marketing/popularity perspective (= $), one of the greatest players in the history of the game?
In my view, that is a huge asset, which is a big deal… which you do not squander.
I think PTP and his “we won’t trade Ohtani this offseason” lines up perfectly to maximize season ticket renewals and sponsor line ups, then pulling the trigger on a trade late in the Spring. No one splits hairs better than the Angels, and maximizing the financial/marketing opportunities before an Ohtani trade lines up perfectly.
It does minimize the return somewhat, but something is better than nothing.
I doubt this. Ohtani makes more money for the team from tourist fans coming to see Bade Root. I doubt they’re counting on Ohtani being here now but gone later to sell ticket packages to people who know they will have to watch several games of the whole team if they buy. Season ticket sales are gonna suck whether they come out and say “Now with the same guy we already had!” or not.
It’s just not that nefarious a conspiracy probably. Arte said we aren’t trading Ohtani because he’s tried to make a big balls statement about his intentions to extend Ohtani. Ohtani just said nah.
Time to trade Bade. If we want roster depth this is how you do it. try to turn one good player into three.
I think you are right on the off season part, but that they will wait until the trade deadline.
Yes, he maximizes revenue in the short term.
Arte also thinks he’s a player or two away from a World Series every freaking year. This is his last shot at one.
Just…. one…. more…. signing…. that moves…. the needle…. and shows….. I am committed…. to championishness….. and the World Series is mine!
Get me Jose Abreu’s agent. Oh, and let’s sign De Grom till he’s 45…..
lmao funny. 😂
Yep, I’ve been on this same page as you all along.
Disagree about what you see as “absolutely the worst outcome”. The “absolute worst” would be if while competing early next season the team decides to trade Ohtani anyways for Thing 1, Thing 2 and Thing 3 from the Dodgers. Further, none of the three things turn out to be anthing at all, and furthermore Ohtani goes on to win a World Series with the team down the freeway that most of us hate with a passion, in fact more than any other team.
THAT would be the worst outcome. Not having Ohtani walk after a playoff season in 2023.
Hold my beer.
The worst thing that can happen is that we extend Shohei for 10/480M and in March of that first year he needs rotator cuff surgery…. then the knee problems show up… followed by the back….
It is interesting to me that you belittle the optimists who want to keep Ohtani for living on “magic island,” and yet you come up with the most preposterous far-out extreme contract in order to prop up your argument.
There is no world or island (“magic island” or otherwise) where Ohtani gets a 10 yr deal for 480 million. While I do fully expect him to break the record for highest AAV ever, nobody is going to give him 10 yrs… And the reason is simple.
He’s a pitcher.
If you look at all the top pitchers now, the “Aces” as we say, they all are either currently or have recently dealt with injury. That includes Verlander, De Grom, Scherzer… All of them.
So while it is crucial to have an Ace on your staff if you want to win, the days of pitchers getting 10 year deals is long gone. In addition, I don’t think you’re going to see superstar position players over say age 24 or 25 get 10 year plus deals upwards of 350 million…
Sure Tatis Jr. got his $340 million 14 year deal in 2021. But he was only 21 years old when he got that!
Ohtani is currently 28 years old. AND as stated he is a pitcher.
Big difference.
I could certainly see Shohei getting a record breaking deal for 5-6 years. I even think a team may go 7 yrs or possibly 8. But there is no way he is getting 10 years 480. Not as a two way player who is expected to pitch a ton of innings. Not in this current market.
Let me be clear. I do think the Angels (whomever the owner is) should sign Ohtani. I just don’t think it should be or will be for 10 yrs. The way to do it is give him a higher AAV and fewer years. You need an Ace pure and simple.
Again, the days of huge 10 + year deals for guys near or at age 30 are over. There is a reason the Yankees are balking at giving Judge the huge deal he wants. He is 30 yrs old and they don’t want to be paying out the ass for a washed up 37 or 38 yr old player. I think we are going to see fewer and fewer of these huge 10 year deals. Unless the guy in question is under age 25 I just don’t see it happening.
So, that is a “no.” I won’t be holding your beer.
First, when someone starts a comment with “hold my beer” they are obviously gonna blow a lot of hot air…. thus the goofy huge contract. But 29 isn’t old for an FA anymore and Ohtani’s agent will push that, plus Bade Root. Also, this was two years ago….
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Ohtani’s gonna get all he can get, and it’s not gonna be anywhere near the lower amount in dollars or years that our org should tie up in it’s current situation… you have to go to unicorn island if you want to search for ways to make it work.
Everything you said in your comment is basically right. Ohtani’s gonna get a ridiculous contract from some fool. Though he’s probably not settling for a 5-6 year deal because someone will give him more to get him. Either way, you seem to grasp that certain contracts are a bad idea, but then you dream on Ohtani settling on a contract that does make sense with us. And even that contract you talk about we shouldn’t be signing.
I get it, you’re in your feelings about Ohtani, so you have to latch onto the idea that “10/480 is ridiculous, thus we should sign Ohtani to a contract that I think is realistic, and he’ll do it, and now I’m happy…. and now unicorns”.
Completely ignoring the point. The point was that signing Ohtani for 6 years and 250M followed by a long injury history would be the worst that can happen.
Cole was a few years ago. I specifically stated “current market.” To me, that Cole deal is not current.
And as for the length of deal, there is a huge difference between 5-6 and 10 yrs. It is the difference between 33 or 34 yr old starting pitcher and a 37 or 38 yr old. Unless your name is Justin Verlander you are probably not going to be earning your money at that age.
As for Shohei, you better bet I would be willing to give him 5-6 years at a ridiculous amount. I have said it before and I’ll say it again, stud starters don’t grow on trees. You therefore have to pay for them.
Is there a chance he could get injured and you lose on that? Sure.
But as I stated above, that risk exists with any pitcher. It does not mean you don’t take the risk. You have to take it.
But while 5-6 yrs is a good risk, I think 9-10 yrs is a stupid one. In the case of Shohei, if it took a 7-8 yr deal to get him I would probably do that too, and the reason is that even if he declines significantly as a pitcher there is a very good chance he will still be a semi-productive hitter at the end of the deal, just because the shelf life of hitters is usually quite a bit longer than pitchers. So you likely would get something back on your investment in the final years of the deal.
Cole was December of 2019. I guess if you’re desperate enough to be right that’s a few years and far from current…. and I guess you can also just ignore the fact that top FAs will always try to eclipse the biggest contract. While you’re at it ignore the fact that a pitcher has to be willing to sign for 5-6. Also, why not ignore that Shohei’s camp already said they want more than Max’s 43M per year and aren’t likely to mean “for three years”. Also, ignore that a 40M+ salary added to our payroll for even 3 years is probably bad.
But most importantly, ignore the fact that you are getting all tight around the rectum about an unserious reply to an unserious comment. I’ll. Repeat it. Slow. For. You. No one. Was. Actually. Saying. He will. Get. 10/480M.
And Quantus doesn’t fly from Ohio to Las Vegas.
Nice. You write something then pretend you didn’t write it. Then you blame somebody for calling you on.
And I never said anything about trying to get a three year deal. Nice Straw Man. But I expect that from you…
Good thing I love Trout much more. I will only shed a few tears when Ohtani’s gone.
there must be at least one multibillionaire on this planet that would love to see Judge, T. Turner, and DeGrom playing on their team in Anaheim alongside Trout and Ohtani, and who wants a sparkly new stadium, happily will pay a $400M payroll just to win.
you’re out there – please step up quickly.
Steve Ballmer, I’m talking to you.
Trust the process! New owner gonna come in and make all our dreams come true!
He’ll take care of Ohtani, no worries!
Totally. In fact, I don’t see any way that that can’t happen.
Nice to see the optimist gitcho every once in a while!
Hell, we’ll probably sign two Ohtanis.
So we would really then have 4 Ohtanis?
Beat me to it 😂