LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Knee Surgery

Andrew Velazquez is having knee surgery to repair a torn meniscus in his right knee. His season is over. Michael Stefanic is up from Salt Lake City. The Angels got their butts whipped late in yesterday’s game to make it official that they lose more than they win. Here is another “trade Mike Trout” article.

The Rays will reinstate Shane McClanahan from the injured list today. The Phillies claimed Tayler Scott off waivers from the Padres. The Reds got Nick Northcut from the Red Sox as the player to be named later in the Tommy Pham trade. The Reds released T.J. Zeuch in order to make room for Justin Dunn who returned from the injured list. Meanwhile the Red Sox designated Jeurys Familia for assignment. The Astros are hoping that Justin Verlander will return tomorrow. He’s been on the IL with a fascial disruption in his calf.

The Nationals signed Juan Minaya to a minor league deal. Michael Hermosillo will get some playing time in center field now that Rafael Ortega suffered a season ending finger fracture. The Cubs also selected the contract of infielder/outfielder Jared Young who is probably the back up plan in case Hermosillo sucks. Apparently Cooper Criswell was pretty good in his start for the Tampa Bay Rays. The Twins placed Randy Dobnak on outright waivers. He’ll probably pass through waivers unclaimed because he has been ineffective and yet he has a long term contract.

The MLBPA now officially represents the minor league players.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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MLBTR had a nice little ditty about the left handed starters the team has developed… I clicked on it…. it was a blank page cause Arte, and cause the Angels are not capable of developing any players. Cause Arte, and no POBO.

Marcotor
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13 days ago

If we had a magickal POBO the last 8 seasons, we would have won the WS at least 5 times!

2002heaven
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13 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Amazing how most pro sports teams that are very successful have a President Of Player Personnel. Maybe the Rams and the Warriors should take your (really it’s OK to not be a Grichy minion) advice and just hire a janitor.

Cowboy26
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12 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Most? name one that has the title “President Of Player Personnel”. Name you’re just making shit up.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

So…. you must be the guy that can finally tell me what the difference is between what a POBO does and a GM does…. other than just being a guy who has a different title who’s former assistant GM is now called GM.

I bet you can even show me where you got said info. Please tell us and give us sources. I can’t wait to finally get this sorted out.

Dogface1956
Member
13 days ago

Question has the “player to be named later” ever turned into even an average player. Seems to me teams should just forget about the player to be name later and it should be ‘the player you get to keep” instead.

Last edited 13 days ago by Dogface1956
WallyChuckChili
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13 days ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Tyler Skaggs

Dogface1956
Member
12 days ago

Had no idea that Skaggs was a player to be named later. I guess he was league average, we’ll never know what he could have been had he not O’d.  🤔 

Last edited 12 days ago by Dogface1956
max
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max
13 days ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Rengifo?

red floyd
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13 days ago
Reply to  max

The guy from AN with the PTBNL jersey t-shirt?

Dogface1956
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12 days ago
Reply to  max

Looks like it was possible he was a player to be named later, this year he has been a been better than average, but is this an his new normal, or will be regress back to what he has been before.

Cowboy26
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12 days ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Yep according to BB ReferenceCron was traded to TB on February 17, 2018 and Luis was sent to us on March 20, 2018 to complete the trade. it probably took a month for him to get a Visa and get out of Venezuela.

jcstein
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13 days ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Tell that to David Ortiz and Shane Baz

Dogface1956
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12 days ago
Reply to  jcstein

Think the jury is out on Baz does not look like he has left much of a mark on the major league level. Ortiz well the “roids” gave him a big helping hand.

Mikeal1st
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13 days ago

Shohei Ohtani’s MVP case based on WAR (mlb.com)
I just have to believe that 12 wins as a pitcher is worth more than 20 more home runs.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mikeal1st

“The answer is it’s complicated.”Jeebz, what is this guy, a lady on Tik Tok?

Ohtani gets WAR as a pitcher. He gets WAR as a hitter. Add em up, it’s Ohtani’s WAR. Him doing it at the same time doesn’t mean he drove in more runs or prevented more runs. He’s getting double credit. If he were just a DH, or even an outfielder, he’d have a lower WAR. If pitcher’s WAR is an issue, then it’s an issue for all pitchers.

It’s only complicated if you are wish that Judge would fail n Shohei would win (yes please) or you desperately need to write this same story from a slightly different angle.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
13 days ago

Pitcher’s WAR is a problem, but it has always been a problem. The only chance a pitcher serious has at winning the MVP (which has happened, obviously) is when there are no stand out offensive performances (also the pitcher has to do something extraordinary – like Verlander’s 24 wins in 2011). Otherwise, the MVP is based on the best bat.

I think one of the issues this year is that Ohtani’s bat is not as good as his arm.
He is top 3 in the Cy race, and a top 20 bat this year.
If it were the reverse (like last year) this is a different conversation.

DowningDude
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13 days ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

crashingthepearlygates.com/2022/09/15/andrew-velazquez-is-having-knee-surgery/#comment-202920

FungoAle
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13 days ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

62 homeruns and the race is OVA

John Henry Weitzel
Editor
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13 days ago
Angels2020Champs
Super Member
13 days ago

Or your standard halo season, hopium gone by May

DowningDude
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13 days ago

MLB.com is running a Judge/Ohtani “is WAR counting pitching accurately” article kinda in the vein of the OCR link I provided below. No pay wall and no 75 centavos por mes.

https://www.mlb.com/news/shohei-ohtani-mvp-race-value-by-war

MarineLayer
Super Member
13 days ago

In my mind, keeping Trout and signing Trout are not the problem. It is the non-performing contracts like Rendon, Upton and all the ones going back that have been and are the problem. Off-loading Rendon somehow/someway would be a great result. I’m sure if he went to any other team, he would resume his prior to the Angels ways. No team is dumb enough to take over that contract, so that’s the thing. Hopefully new management and ownership can take a fresh look and things and come up with a plan that lets us keep the players who are good and get rid of the ones who aren’t.

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Its the non performing Player development system that has condemned this team. All the other non performing contracts are just window dressing bullshit.

AnAngelsFan
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13 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Offloading Rendon only helps if you replace him with someone better and you increase the payroll by the amount it costs to do so (rather than using funds that would have been used to fill a different position). Otherwise you are just swapping one problem for another.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Saw the name… knew the player he must sob … “In my mind. Rendon”

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DowningDude
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13 days ago

Judge vs Ohtani article at OC Register by that JP Puffenstuff dude.
https://www.ocregister.com/2022/09/14/hoornstra-shohei-ohtani-aaron-judge-al-mvp-race-is-a-battle-of-mythical-creatures/

To avoid paywall, I click the link and IMMEDIATELY press “CTRL-A” followed by “CTRL-C” then paste into a notepad. Trim the fat and there’s the article. If you wait too long to copy the page – you get wrapped up into their “subscribe today” nonsense.

I’m still reading …

DowningDude
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13 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

really good article … author J.P. Hoornstra

admkir
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13 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

OC Register recently had a special of 2 years for $18, with the pending sale and off-season, I did take advantage

DowningDude
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13 days ago
Reply to  admkir

$18… that’s 6 tickets to see the Angels play. Pass.

admkir
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13 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Yea $.75 a month is a bit much

DowningDude
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13 days ago
Reply to  admkir

 😂 

DowningDude
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13 days ago

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DowningDude

I was all happy cause I knew Ohtani must have passed 8 WAR and ef Judge… then I saw Judge passed 9 WAR…. poop.

PedroCerrano
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13 days ago

Wait, what…we’re not going to the playoffs?

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

What are playoffs?

DowningDude
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If it’s where our team takes several “plays off” around the October timeframe, then we are in that every year.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DowningDude

Gold

Halos_in_DE
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13 days ago

New Bees Stadium in the works? Or trying to get an MLB team?

BruinsAngelsKings
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13 days ago
Reply to  Halos_in_DE

Wife and I ae planning a trip to SLC next season to see the Bees. Looking forward to it. Any tips appreciated.

Angels2020Champs
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13 days ago

I want to go to SLC in a few weeks for frozen fury!

RexFregosi
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13 days ago

id rather see the Rookie camp is SJ this week

Cowboy26
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13 days ago

Make sure you hide your pollen well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APUWOoUqQho

Last edited 13 days ago by Cowboy26
Marshallx89
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13 days ago

I enjoyed going to Antelope Island State Park to see the Bison. Surprisingly a lot of great food in SLC too.

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  Halos_in_DE

It would be the smallest media market in all of baseball. No way MLB would ever approve a franchise there.

DowningDude
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13 days ago
Reply to  Halos_in_DE

https://twitter.com/LAAngelsPR/status/1570474608113111040
Totally a reason to go to SLC NOW ….

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DowningDude

Who says we’re out of the playoff hunt!?! F*** sciences!

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago

I’m fine if they trade Trout, and i’m fine if a new owner comes in with the explicit goal of getting that man a ring.

I just want to win. If bulldozing the team and starting over is how they want to pursue that, cool.

If they want to keep Mike, extend Ohtani, and spend the dough needed to win NOW while rebuilding, cool.

I just want to know there’s a plan.

Halos_in_DE
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13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

the problem with trading Trout is you won’t get anything in return (see Stanton trade)

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago
Reply to  Halos_in_DE

At this point you’re probably right

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Yeah it would be a salary dump. That would not be the best look for new owners.

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

You know what would be a good look for the new owners? Spending serious, intelligent money on player development, international signings and free agent acquisitions including Shohei Ohtani. We would have this franchise winning and competing for championships at or before it would take us to complete a complete tear down and rebuild. It took the Cubs 4 years and the Astros 5 years to turn their franchises into winning ball clubs.

I dont believe We need to go through 5 to 6 years of hell ( including next seasons limbo ) with a new owner just because our current owner was too cheap to build a complete ball club the last 12 seasons.

MarineLayer
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Look over and observe what the Doyers are doing. Then do that.

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Which is to spend top dollars on every aspect of roster construction including a $300,000,000 payroll (the highest in all of baseball)

2GA2Join
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That’s why I half-jokingly hope for someone like Bezos or Musk to buy the team, and then not pay much attention to it because it’s just a side-hobby to him, and hire a group of the best baseball minds available (i.e. POBO… yes infallible!) to run the thing with no payroll limits.

Last edited 13 days ago by 2GA2Join
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2GA2Join

Yup. The billionaire just buys stuff for 3 billion then just doesn’t pay attention cause it’s his SEGA and not an NES?

They’ll just have someone pay attention to it for them. A business person who they then pay attention to and order around. Could be good, could be bad depending on who our “musk” puts in as his Carpino and who this new Carpino reports to, who then reports to a guy, who then reports to Musk, who then attends a Zoom call once a month.

But as long as there’s a POBO, which is extremely NOT the same as a General Manager.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

I’d be happy if they build the Dodgers’ farm and development here and then suffer through having a 200M payroll. I bet we’ll do fine.

DowningDude
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13 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Crazy as much as I dislike the dodgers – even our one damn world series came via dodgers – Soth Griffin Roenicke Hatcher etc. Maybe Kenny Landreaux should be our next GM

FungoAle
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Halos_in_DE

But Jeter cleared salary and rid himself of a terrible contract. Mike Trout is a bit better but agree, the returns will be tempered due to the money owed.

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

And how’s that working out for the Marlins? its been 5 years and they’re no closer to establishing a winning franchise then they were when they traded him.

FungoAle
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

How is that working out for the Yanks? Marlins smoked the Yankees IMHO.

Cowboy26
Legend
13 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yes in the world of theoretical irrelevance. Kind of like we “won” the Josh Hamilton Trade when we traded him back to the Rangers.

It has made such a “large” impact on the direction of both franchises

matthiasstephan
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Bit?

Like 35 WAR in a year less bit?

Trout_is_my_Bestie
Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Blasphemy! I’d much rather keep a losing team while getting to see Mike Trout’s greatness.

Unless we’re acquiring the next Mike Trout as part of a rebuild, I don’t want it.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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My absolutely devoid of logic fan brain wants to keep Trout just because he is MY TROUT. We finally have our actually great all time great and I want to see him retire a halo so we can stop playing like Tim Salmon is more than just the Ryan Klesko colored blip he’d be on another team’s history.

It does make sense to dump his salary though if we need a rebuild.

Trout_is_my_Bestie
Member
13 days ago

I am using logic. Just so happens that my logic puts Mike Trout’s individual success above that of the team.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I am not using logic. I just like Mike Trout.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
13 days ago

I say keep Trout for both the logical and illogical reasons.

DowningDude
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13 days ago

Dropping a Ryan Klesko – nice one. FWIW, DowningDude played against him back in little league. That’s all the “CoachDad” I gots in me. (we beat his Westminster team 1-0 for a local T.O.C. title).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DowningDude

Don’t sweat it, I have been beaten by such luminous names as Jeff Suppan. Demitri Young hit a HR off me that still hasn’t landed. PLUS the great Morgan Ensburg got a hit off me. History runs through these veins….

At least you won.

Actually, we beat both Ensburgs and Youngs teams if I remember right. I just sucked.

Last edited 13 days ago by gitchogritchoffmypettis
Mia
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Mia
13 days ago

We’ve had a decade of Trout greatness and nothing to show for it.

I’m sick of it.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Well, we’ve gotten one thing to show for it — a decade of one of the greatest players of all time both on and off the field.

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Only thing that matters at the end of the day is the rings.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Now we need a Decade of Ohtani Greatness with nothing to show for it!

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago

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WallyChuckChili
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13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

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FungoAle
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

We needed you in the early 70’s when the Nolan Express was roll’n. A decade of futility.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Yeah if there was a clear plan in place to win that required trading Trout, fine. But it would be cool to keep him and win with him eventually.

Losing Trout AND Ohtani would be a bit of a gut punch given their historical significance. I’d ideally like one to stick around so we can build a statue.

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

As the great poet Mick Jagger once said:

You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need.

Hopefully we get what we need to win again.

Last edited 13 days ago by Mia
red floyd
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13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

That song saved my life.

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Music is always there for us in our darkest moments. ❤️

steelgolf
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

By win, do you mean an over .500 season? Been awhile since we’ve seen one of those round these parts.

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I’m talking champagne and parades.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

We should all hang out. I do that every Saturday just for fun due to incredibleness.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Mia

I’d love to keep him, but we should probably trade Ohtani. He’s the trade piece that can revive our farm. Maybe trade Sandoval too. And who ever else we can get something for. Ward?

If we truly won’t ever see a healthy Trout/Rendon/Ohtani season ( as most around here claim), not to mention Walsh and Fletcher, then the answer is burn it down. I actually think the roster we have will be pretty strong if it ever actually takes the field for most of a season, but do we really want that? Then it would look like Arte and his FO had a plan. That would be turrible.

We are probably stuck with Trout, and that’s OK cause I loves him. But we should probably give the people what they want and burn this down to the waterline. If Arte actually “Girdy burr derrp durr moneh fur depth an sturf” it will mean signing more guys who we will just hate who will probably get hurt or become half the player they were last season because poison Ju Ju.

I say let’s just Thanos this shit, let a new owner come in with as clean a slate as we can get and see what happens. I’m sure everything will be completely different when there’s just a different billionaire in charge…. oh, and a POBO…. which is totally different than a GM.

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago

Maybe we’ll have a guy come in that wants to copy the Dodgers and spend like a sailor in a brothel after a 9 month deployment.

That way we could hopefully keep him while putting a team around him. Fingers crossed.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

Being part pirate myself, I love sailors AND I love brothels. I also love shivering timbers. So I’m down.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
13 days ago

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Mia
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Mia
13 days ago

Ye best start believin’ in losing seasons, Ms. Turner. Yer in one.

red floyd
Legend
13 days ago

‘Tis but four days till Talk Like A Pirate Day, me hearties!!!!

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago

I grew up around sailors, but have never been to a brothel. I’ve never had anyone complain about some shivering timbers, though 😏

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

The Sailor I knew was always worried about elevens!

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
13 days ago

Up because I just watched NZ vs AUS in rugby championship; what a match.
Anyway. Velazquez meh. Give stefanic (plumber Jaaaack Stephan) a chance.
What volume # is that trade trout article?
Looking forward to the boys getting back home Friday to take the kids to a few games.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Only 42 ABs, so still plenty of hope, but man oh man the plumber made Squid look good this far.

Cowboy26
Legend
13 days ago

Yes but they were some pretty anemic at bats. Thats for sure

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