In news straight out of left field, this dropped today.
This would be a huge development. Under the Moreno family the Angels have become big spenders but it hasn’t related to on field success. And there’s been plenty of off the field drama.
This story is just breaking. Stay tuned to CtPG as it develops.
Gotta hope the avalanche of media dunking on Arte’s past decade as failed fantasy GM/Owner will only hasten his exit.
Can’t show his face at games anymore. Genie is out of the bottle. Go back to Arizona.
Remember what happened with Dodgers/Piazza? Bye-bye Ohtani…sayanara!!
They traded him mid-season. What does that have ANYTHING to do with Ohtani?
No they did not trade him in any way shape or form. The Dodgers were for sale and they didn’t want to jack up the price by signing Piazza who was at that time a free agent.
“Piazza played seven seasons for the Dodgers until he was traded to the Florida Marlins on May 15, 1998, after an offseason in which Piazza wanted a new contract before being eligible for arbitration; he wanted $105 million for seven years while the Dodgers offered six years for $76 million.” Dude go away.
As soon as the Anaheim stadium deal tanked, I told my wife Arte would sell or relocate. No chance at all that Anaheim will ever approve another favorable deal for the stadium.
In a few years we’ll have to drive into that cesspool called the city of Los Angeles 💩 to see an Angel game
Maybe the Rams owner will buy the Halos-He knows how to build a winner.
Recently at least. The Rams he also owned in St. Louis were like Arte’s Angels if you took away Trout and Ohtani and the best player was Gosselin.
He also knows how to get big develop projects done.
It would be pretty cool if we got a “balls out” owner like Kroenke…. though it will be laughable watching the Hate Rich Guy folks enjoy Kroenke as an owner. He’ll spend, but he’s not hands off, and he’s also gonna make his money, which means we’re all gonna pay more, a lot more if he builds a stadium.
If any of you can stand it, ask an Arsenal fan about being owned by Stan. The Rams are a completely different case than the Angels because they will basically make him a lot more money AND they are in the “new and shiny” faze of being in LA. Opperative term IN LA. (Yes, I know, Inglewood, which is LA.) Arsenal fans that I know seem OK with Stan owning the team, but it hasn’t been an absolute dream come true. I also expect the general character of what the Rams do to change over the next ten years too.
This announcement means several things for sure:
At best 2023 is the last season for Ohtani in a Halo uni
No discussions at all will take place w/Ohtani from Moreno’s camp
The Halos will no longer play in Anaheim once the last extension is over
New owner is not going to break the bank and go over the cap
This is actually NOT good news.
Can I borrow your time machine?
Jesus Christ talk about baseless speculation sold as fact.
But he’s “for sure”
Trust me brooooooo
You know it sis!
You fell in to the sarchasm.
Signing Ohtani would drive up the price of the team, basic math dude. You buy all current & future debts owed by a business when you sell it, in this case all guaranteed contracts.
Uh your talking about allowable accounting sports franchise depreciation methods dude. Not necessarily the value of the team. the Value of the Angels is what some one is willing to pay for it.
Were the Clippers worth $2 Billion when Ballmer wrote that check to the Sterlings? Surprisingly Yes because thats what he paid for it. You really think Mark Walton agreed to pay $4.55 billion for the Denver Broncos because they have Russell Wilson? It had no bearing on any existing contracts dude. It will be the same with the Angels. Will someone pay more to have Ohtani on the team? maybe . Will someone pay less because the GOAT is tethered to the team through a contract until 2029? Possibly. But in todays world when it comes to sports franchises, logic and good business sense dont really seem to apply anymore.
That is incorrect sir. If the Halos owed (For example) $700M in contracts for the next five years that becomes part of the cost along with “value” which is always in the eyes of the beholder.
Value is in the eyes on the buyer. Cost is determined based upon acceptable accounting practices and established legal precedent.
If this statement is incorrect Einstein then for all of our edification please correlate the recent sale price of the Denver Broncos and the recent sale price of the New York Mets with their existing player contracts at the time of sale.
I’ll wait…
I didn’t say contract amounts was only input. When you buy team X you are responsible for all contracts, excepting any specific exclusion, which Arte we all know isn’t going to carry over any debt.
Source??
You are forgetting the revenue attached to Ohtani. Let’s say Ohtani costs you $40 million per year but generates $50 million per year in revenue. That’s not a liability, that’s an asset.
No way any Anaheim politician will vote to approve a like-minded deal again. Also, that “Affordable housing” BS will rule the day. You know, like the “Affordable housing” near the Staples Center that started out with rents around $8-10K a month.
Ohtani’s expected $500M contract would add that amount to the purchase price. Not baseless, just good business knowledge.
But it’s the internet so it must be from someone knowledgeable, furthermore the posts are all in bold lettering.
OOOH! Bold font!! MUST BELIEVE!!!!!!!
But he didn’t use all caps, so it’s not as convincing!
Want to make it easy for everyone and just tell us what other username you use? Or should we look for the duplicate IP addresses?
Not hardly, I’ve posted here, the MLB site and the last site with the same (And only) name for many years.
that’s what I was thinking. Sounds familiar, like someone previously banned. It might not be, but it feels like it
Not sure but he’s going a little too heavy on the eye shadow.
Sounds like someone didn’t take his meds today?!
Agree the Moreno camp will stay clear of the Ohtani deal. I think Arte will want to get out before he has to deal with him. Imagine, being remembered in the history books as the owner and GM who traded him? it would be Harry Frazee all over again.
And….the speculation of who may be the next owner starts!
Stan Kroenke ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Mark Cuban 🙅
Steve Ballmer 🙅
Henry & Susan Samueli 🙅
It looks like the winner could be……. JOE LACOB
Money quotes from the article:
“Can’t answer this question that fast,” Lacob told The Times on Tuesday. “We look at good opportunities.”
He added a smile emoji.
“I became an Angels fan and worked at Anaheim Stadium for seven years as a peanut vendor,” he told the San Francisco Chronicle in a story published last month.
Lacob also told the Chronicle he looked into the Angels when the Walt Disney Co. put the team up for sale in 2002
https://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/story/2022-08-23/who-will-buy-the-angels-from-arte-moreno-joe-lacob
Should be some fun few months ahead, except for the baseball games itself.
Even though Lacob would potentially be a great owner, he is least capitalized of the bunch when Im sure Arte would want a bidding war.
I guess Mr Kim is potential buyer of the National, which would now make him one of ours?
https://frontofficesports.com/newsletter/potential-nationals-buyer-emerges/
Here’s some more options out that way:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/08/12/washington-nationals-sale-stanley-middleman/
Ahh this is bittersweet. Arte was not a good owner in that he should have let baseball people in the f.o. do their thing ala the late Jerry Buss. As far as prices, I always felt it was a good value if you live in the area and I will miss the “local perks”. I feel Angel Games are affordable if you look -like in the way I use the McDonald’s app to get a free big mac and buying a .99 cent soda. I live in the 92802 and always buy my tix at the Big A to not pay fees. I also buy those seats in the right field corner that r always discounted and move to a better spot in latter innings. I also like you can take food and drinks to games. When my wife doesn’t go w me and the kids, they r really good about letting her drop us off in the orangewood entrance and letting her u turn and leave so I don’t have to pay parking. Those little perks will be gone when Arte leaves. We will be as expensive or more than going to a Dodgers game. Bye Arte, you will be missed, kind of.
If you catch a HR, do you try to sell it?
Lol, that’s a good idea! This way I can recoup what I’ve spent. I might have to go to a Sunday game and ask my kids to scoop up some big A dirt to sell on ebay too.
If you are Taylor Featherston you could sell that ball that got stuck in the glove killing our playoff chances that one year. Priceless play
ESPN+ buster olney has a good (much info repeated) article in Moreno
https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/34449315/as-arte-moreno-prepares-sell-angels-leaves-complicated-legacy
I think Buster Only is out of touch as it relates to Ohtani’s value. I don’t subscribe to the fact you get less for a player during an offseason than at the trading deadline. How can you get established major league assets in lieu of prospects if the team you are trading with needs them for their own pennant race?
And as its been proven time and time again, highly regarded prospects can easily turn into suspects.
In this case he might be right. Ohtani could potentially take a team to 2 post season runs and that would have netted possibly more in return. Moreno is as dumb as a bag of baseballs.
He had one good quote though: Many executives believe that the Angels have not come close to exploiting the potential of their market. “Because that place might be the best to work in in baseball,” one official said. “The weather is perfect. The conditions are perfect. You can live on the beach. Nobody bothers them. The fans are good except for those wiseass pricks over at CTPG.”
I resemble that remark
💯🙋🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Arte knew he was going to sell months ago, maybe longer. He never would have wanted what is best for the Angels, this is and always has been about his ego. Blocking a huge get for Shohei, he just was not going to watch Shohei take another team to the top, especially the Dodgers.
There’s no question Arte has a large Ego. But I don’t equate the failure to trade Ohtani at the deadline of further evidence of his oversized dome. If I have determined that selling this franchise is the best course of action going forward I would not do anything that would detrimentally impact value including getting rid of your largest marketable star.
Buster is not saying anything that hasn’t been written here for multiple years
Which is why I say much info repeated
My dad was just joking how Disney is gonna buy them back and raze the stadium to expand Disneyland. Move the team somewhere else. Lol.
We’ve all been conditioned to expect the absolute worst even when given good news. 😂
They will raze the stadium, build the apartments, and build a new stadium at the Great Park on the old El Toro base, connecting Downtown Disney bars, overpriced apartments, and the Angels in South County with the oft fantasized expanded monorail. Huzzah!
This is the best Halo news I’ve heard in a long while.
Yeah the only downside is DiGiovanna says the process is extremely early and he has no suitors lined up.
Could take 1-2 years unless someone is eager to act before Ohtani is gone.
It will move fast. Only 30 of these and lots of rich people who want to own a baseball team.
I think nationals have been on the market a while
But don’t The Nationals have a weird issue with TV rights?
Nationals and Orioles still fighting it out over 50 bucks over MASN.
We do have a weird issue with the stadium….
Would you want to live in DC?
It’s become the richest region in the country and NOBODY lives in D.C.
The President has to….
Angels/OC are a premier market
Add to that the market and location, Trout, and possibly Ohtani. It will bring about successful people wanting to share the team ownership.
especially if they really want Ohtani on their roster
WRONG!!
Tell us something better
We resign Ohtani, get a new Stadium deal and THEN Moreno sells the team. Last two are dreams, but….
At this point, None of those things will happen independent of each other.
This could happen fairly quickly if everyone is motivated. McCourt Agreed to sell the team in November 2011. The buyer was announced in March of 2012. And the transaction was finalized in April of that same year.
That could happen here Especially if one of the runners up in the last Doyer transaction would have interest. His name is Stan Kroenke
Kroenke has done all right with the Rams.
And his hockey team just won the Stanley cup
Would love a fast process. I’m skeptical though.
Maybe Arte announcing it now is a sign he wants it in place before Ohtani decision
Dino!
The return of the windmill
Speaking of windmills how about this guy as the new Angel Owner:
Just say no, or even hell no.
Kroenke or Ballmer. Either one would be very good for us as fans.
They can share.
Hell no, he is a buffoon
He actually reminds me of Arte…. as far as his “plan” goes, not that fact that he’s a spazz.
Spazz…lol. Good way to explain it. Yeah, I see no brains only dollars. He’s a Clipper for kryst sakes.
We don’t need a lot of brain(s) In/among the owner(s), just that they want to win but are aware that they need skilled baseball people rather than their cronies running the team. Of course, not too many professional baseball people are that able, so there’s that….
He’s a spazz with huge coin who I’m sure realizes he’s not a baseball GM.
Dino “See No” Ebel.
Elated when the news broke. I couldn’t believe it. I envision a big spender see Ohtani and Trout as staples and help drive revenue. I think a Ballmer type would be great. I think with the legal position Arte is in he gets to walk away a little more quieter and richer. I’m hearing $3B+ so let’s see.
Exploring.
Potentially.
Maybe.
I fully expect to get buttercupped. Again.
And I’m fully in the thrall of battered Angels fan syndrome.
You don’t make a public statement like that unless you intend to sell.
Right now he’s putting it out there the team can be had. It will take a while, but he’ll sell.
I think he cause of the Skaggs case, Anaheim sale mess, and minor league BS, the writing is on the wall to walk away before the light really gets hot on him
He’s an ahole, but he’ll be a very wealthy ahole and be able to pay everyone off
I understand your point from a business perspective, and I agree that something will happen, but it’s been 20 years since we haven’t been let down by this organization (the signing of a certain international player notwithstanding).
I think it sucks that I’ve gotten used to the Angels breaking my heart. Every. Single. Year.
TrAdition = Buttercup ? Word.
Here’s hoping you get piped harder than ever? The tears in your eyes really bring out their color? What are we looking for here with the display of competitive sadness?
😂
Suggestions that people should be raped (repeatedly) are hil-fucking-arious.
If that’s how you need to read that, bud.
Not everyone gets his sarcasm.
Are you going to be OK? And no, I am not suggesting you get raped. I am suggesting that you already act raped…. and you seem to want someone to clap for you. They are two pretty different things.
But hey, if you need something new to feel victimized about, I’m a huckle a berry as any. Mope away.
So much for standards around here.
We’re the cesspool for a reason
as a fan of the Portland Trailblazers I’ve seen this movie. The Allen family is also exploring selling, as Paul Allen suggested before he died. Phil Knight is willing to spend a huge amount for the team yet Paul’s sister, Jody, is being coy and talking about maybe by 2030. So until we see an actual sale it’s just as you say. Maybe.
It’s going to be pretty awesome when the Angels new ownership group does for us what Paul Allen did for the Trail Blazers. He was like “F*** business! And f*** marketing too!” and he went out there and signed everyone and won a thousand championships and listened to the fans all day long. It’s gonna be rad.
I’d like to see Phil Knight own the Blazers….and the Angels. He knows good player value for the money.
Phil Knight likes his sweatshop money too much to own a major professional sports franchise. Besides he already owns the Ducks football team.
MiLB players ACTUALLY starving.
I’d like Del Taco to buy the Angels. Our best deals always occurred there
Odds on nevin creating a Moreno life size poster with tear away clothing to motivate the players?
Maybe just tear away mustache and an “Ow!!” sound effect.
All you gotta do is look at the reaction from former players to see that everyone calling Arte the main problem all these years has been dead on.
But parking and beer prices! He spends on big stars! Would you rather have an owner like the A’s? 3 million fans! No.
Hopefully he sells to someone that will spend like current Mets/Dodgers ownership, and who will finally invest in player dev.
What a wonderful day this is.
I sorta wonder if Mr. K up the freeway is still interested in a baseball team, now that his football team is all snuggled in with a championship trophy
I don’t need Dodgers/Mets spending. I’d be happy with Braves/Cardinals/Indians style player development with stars sprinkled in.
Por que no los dos?
Es verdad Mija Mia
Amen.
As a dude that grew up with the Angels in the 80’s…
No. I’ll take the big spending too, please.
I remember the days when I felt my team was a 2nd or 3rd tier small market team when you didn’t even let yourself dream that we might sign the big FA we needed. Maybe the former star who is past 33. And Trout? No way he gets extended… he would have been traded away a la Oakland A’s style. Always hoping for lightning in a bottle when we’d get the right combo of cheap players we happened to have, to all play good for a season and get us to the postseason, before they would leave as free agents and join the Yankees the next season.
So, please, big spender and invest in development.
And last time I looked beer was pretty damned expensive at Angels Stadium, in fact it is fair to call it highway robbery !!
This is a very in-depth, damning report of the Angels by Mike DiGiovanna. It’s a great read for those who have LA Time subscription. Chris Iannetta went on the record. His quotes are very, very telling.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/story/2022-08-23/angels-lost-decade-mike-trout-arte-moreno-shohei-ohtani
Some highlights of the article:
The club is on pace to sell fewer than 2.6 million tickets in 2022, the first full season since Arte Moreno bought the team in 2003 that it has not sold 3 million tickets. Empty seats outnumber spectators on most nights Ohtani doesn’t pitch.
They need a better hitting shortstop, a power-hitting corner outfielder and perhaps a new first baseman and catcher to bolster a thin lineup that — unlike pitching-poor teams of the past — has been the primary culprit in this season’s demise. The bench needs to be upgraded. And, of course, Rendon, Trout and Ohtani need to stay relatively healthy.
“Arte is not going to go over that tax threshold — he treats it as a hard cap, and that’s unfortunate,” Iannetta said earlier this month, before Moreno announced that he might sell the team. “It’s really doing a disservice to his season-ticket holders, to the game, and to all of the players who really want to win.”
“It just feels disjointed, like there’s no plan. And then, right up the freeway, you’ve got [Dodgers President of Baseball Operations] Andrew Friedman, who has an incredible plan.”
“They signed him for a ton of money, and the first day he took batting practice with a wood bat in Tempe, we all looked at each other and were, like, seriously?” Iannetta said of Baldoquin. “I’m not the best at projecting out, but he didn’t look like a prospect.”
OUCH!!!!
The gift that keeps on giving. Thanks Jerry
Alfredo Griffin said the kid wanted him to hit dozens and dozens of grounders to him during his audition.
But 2002 said Jerry is genius?
This is the day Sosh should have retired in protest lol
Lorri looks very unsettled.
I apologize for not getting the joke, who is Lori?
Soth’s middle name. Two R’s. The pride of Upper Darby Pennsyl-tucky.
Oof. Ok then. Never noticed his middle name.
😂 😂
Was this before or after he traded Clevinger for Pestano?
2012 December. Pestano was 2014
Baldoquin was a Trader Jerry move, not Moreno.
Yes definitely that’s Jerry. But I think the overall arching point is just that the entire operations suck. Like it said, there was just no plan in this team. It doesn’t know how to draft and develop, money wasted on FAs that didn’t pan out, and it whiffed on the FAs that would have been more valuable to the team than those it ended up signing.
Just a big load of suck
It probably didn’t help our MiLB system that we had Soth Forevah and he wasn’t all that keen on prospects.
Did DiGiovanna did his research at the Iannetta/Wells winery?
Yes whenever I need in depth high level insight on the state of the Angels I immediately think of these 2 clowns.
Goddamn that was a depressing read. But a well written look back at all our mistakes.
Chris Iannetta…does he count? I’m all for piling on but…it’s Chris
THE DUDE OWNS A WINERY WITH VERNON WELLS. They are too blessed to be stressed yo!!!! clearly a source for Farty-Arte news.
Ah, got it. I wanna hear from the WEAVE
he said nothing but re-tweeted Carew
To be fair, he does have a Destructo-Beam. Maybe Mike D was afraid he’d be destructo’d?
Best news I’ve heard all season! Hopefully the new owners bring back:
Doesn’t even have to be the same logo just please change the name back to California Angels or even Anaheim Angels!!!
God I hated that Logo.
The TM drives me nuts too.
I actually liked it but I preferred this one:
That was pretty cool.
Nice! Sold.
I prefer the ’60s version.
Those uni’s were awesome too.
Not to want to be negative to you, but I’m pretty sure I read that now it is not allowed for any team to name itself after a state. It is grandfathered in for teams already named that way. But we can’t change back.
I’d prefer just sticking with LA instead of Anaheim. LA is actually a city known around the world. Go to Italy and say “I’m from Anaheim.” Blank stare. Say LA, NY, Houston, Boston, Atlanta, etc. and they know. That’s why I can’t blame Arte for the name change really. The dude knows business and marketing.
Note to new ownership…make sure this doesn’t happen in whatever stadium we play in
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/mlb/article-11137971/Unidentified-couple-accused-LEWD-SEX-ACT-Sundays-Athletics-game-Oakland.html
There was definitely more than a lead blown at that game.
I think there are other worse things to be concerned with. This goes on in the suites and in restrooms too! In other news water is wet and the sun is hot 😉
The restrooms? Really ?
I would assume you are talking about the women’s restroom since I have been to hundreds of games at Angel Stadium over the years and have yet to see or hear anything that would indicate that is true.
The one time I was in the women’s restroom (it was legit, Mrs. red was in her wheelchair, and there were no family restrooms available at the time) I saw nothing like that. Of course I did my best to keep my eyes focused on the floor to avoid issues.
At the Oakland stadium, this could be like a tree falling in the forest. Did it make a sound? Nobody was around to hear it!
It is how the ancient bearded man said, if a blow job happens in the world’s largest public bathroom but no one is their to see it, has the job been done at all?