LA Angels Monday News Crash:

Both Mike Trout and Michael Lorenzen are on their way back. Zach Neto got four RBIs in his third game with the Trash pandas.

Several Padres had some choice remarks about Fernando Tatis Jr. and his 80 Game PED suspension. Tatis is supposedly remorseful.

You see that Arte? Even the Orioles are willing to spend more money on players.

Albert Pujols is up to homer no. 689. I still don’t think he will make it to 700 unless he can find some sucker to play him next year.

The Dodgers just got shut out by the Royals.

Tarik Skubal is shut down for the rest of the season with arm trouble.

The Red Sox activated Michael Wacha from the 15 day IL.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Marcotor
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Says it all

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

This is the bullshit you have to deal with when you honor cheats and liars and give them a microphone.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yup

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

Why are you worried about XYZ when greater good bigger problems shiny bright things brotherhood?

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago

Que?

ihearhowie3.0
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Hall of Fame take right there.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Waiting on Ortiz to say why he tested positive just like I’m waiting on OJ to find the real killer.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

“If I did it” by David Ortiz

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

So Papi wants special treatment for certain cheaters? Please be quiet.

Padres got screwed here, hope they can get out from underneath his contract once he is cleared to play. Rays will regret the Franco signing. Can’t gives these guys big contracts.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Awww. I want to be seen at Toyota Field this week…….

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

He should be at Tri-City or SLC…far away from moms home cooking

ihearhowie3.0
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Good on front office pushing some guys there maybe a little aggressively to create some kind of familiarity with winning.

red floyd
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’m gonna be in HSV at the end of October, but don’t have time to visit the park
🙄

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

I wonder how I’d feel if we had Tatis instead of Rendon.

In Rendon’s case, he is just old and broken down. Management made the mistake signing that ridiculous contrast. In the Tatis case, he injured himself falling off a motorcycle, then using PED’s and lying about it, on top of his chronic shoulder problem.

I’d be much more pissed at Fernando, but still wish we had him instead of Rendon.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I would be pissed at Fernando too. That song blows. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQsjAbZDx-4

steelgolf
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

😆

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Rendon feels like bad luck because its been health. He’s been pretty important when healthy.

Tatis’ contract is probably causing ownership to puke. They have him for 12 more years after this one and are no longer getting the fan fav “face of the league” type guy they thought they signed.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

They have overpaid him, and I bag on him now cause he’s earned it, but 12 years is a long time. He could be totally class in a few years. That would be nice.

Fumid346
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1 year ago

I’m for Chris Woodward as the next Angel’s manager. Seems like a terrific communicator, mixes old school vs new school. Learned a lot in Dallas

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fumid346

Think so? He is out of the Dodgers system… but I don’t know if that really means anything other than Andrew Freidman buys you every player you need and you do what the iPad says. But maybe he is good?

I kind of want Bruce Botchy…. thing is he may be yet another “old man baseball” guy. I’d actually be kind of curious to see what sort of “no name” manager the FO can find. With all those Braves/Cardinals guys working on it I bet they know some guys that are low key very good. Maybe go the rout of poaching a AA manager from a really good org? Get a guy that’s over 50 years old but has made a career of working with young players?

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Woodward communicated so well the team responded with a 211-287 record. No Thanks

And I think the Angels would have a better chance of hiring Bruce Bochte as manager than Bruce Bochy especially after how PTP shanked Soggy Joe.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Totally agree.

Don’t want that guy anywhere near us.

MarineLayer
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I would welcome Bruce Bochte with open arms!

FungoAle
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1 year ago

I like the “old man baseball” guy. I applaud the work Showalter has done with the Mets. A veteran, been there, done that guy who does has rules but not over the top. Instantaneously brought stability to the clubhouse. Mets success is not about Cohen’s money. The guys they signed in the offseason have either have been ok or out of the line-up but still have led the division from the beginning. While Maddon was driving his golf buggy until 3:00 in the afternoon, listening to a little CSN&Y, Showalter was at Citi field at 7:00AM. It’s about the right old-timer. Baker with the Stro’s, is another “right guy” for the job at the specific time.

Good with Botchy. But I don’t have faith in Minasian in doing the right thing.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

“The guys they signed in the offseason have either have been ok or out of the line-up.”

Yes Scherzer, Canha, Bassitt, Ottavino and Marte have had very little influence on the Mets success this year.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Bassit was a trade. Canha? Really, you impressed? Ottavino? Impressed? Marte has been good but not great. Granted, much better than Minasian signings the last two years. Max has missed time and not the reason the team has had the big lead in the AL East. #Showalter

ihearhowie3.0
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1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I think combo of all the moves cumulatively played a part in changing the culture.

Rare praise for Arte here but not unlike how Vlad-Colon-Escobar was a springboard for a really competitve era for us.

Scherzer and Showalter probably changes the leadership dynamic and tone of the locker room.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I think this next year’s Angel team is perfectly primed for similar quality signings . Plug some holes bring in some quality veterans watch the vets and the youngsters flourish

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

I actually think, personality wise, the Angels have a bunch of guys who can be winners…. we just had that freakish lossing streak and now our roster’s overmatched.

But Trout, Rendon, Ohtani (if he stays), Rengifo, Fletcher, Adell, Detmers, Sandy, Ward, Walsh, Barria… even the ultra losers like Loup and Tepera… I don’t think they’re loafs or self absorbed or anything. I think if they get a whiff of winning again, and maybe add a guy whose a bit more of a go getter, and then don’t lose 14 in a row…. most of the guys we have seem willing to put in the work and pull together to win.

So yeah, a couple good additions could make a big difference. Of course, burning it all down can also change a lot of things….

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

.365 OBP yes

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Scherzer? Come on Fungo your not going to go down with the ship yet again are you?

#showalteristhemostoverratedmanagerinMLBhistory

Last edited 1 year ago by Cowboy26
Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago

Arte spends a lot of money on players.

Albert Pujols: $240 million
Josh Hamilton: $125 million
Anthony Rendon: $245 million

He got 12.9 WAR from Pujols, 3.1 from Hamilton. Jury is still out on Rendon, but he’s currently at 3.1 as well. Maybe he cracks 20 WAR for this $610 million.

That would be a boon of production per dollar over what he received from Gary Matthews Jr, Vernon Wells, Matt Harvey, and a host of others.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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We seriously need to just never sign anyone again ever. Remember how gun shy Arte was about signing FA pitchers (or at least that’s what we said a lot on HH)? Back before the world solved his problem by making it so there are only 2 good FA pitchers per winter?

We need him to be like that…. but with all the positions. And every player of ours that may want a huge extension. I want more pressers about “prioritizing flexibility” and “thinking highly” of the the scrub/prospect mix we’re gonna try as a replacement. Spend 100M a year on the farm, scouts, coaching and trainers.

Fans love it when you put all your money into stuff they can’t see at a glance. It will be the most POBO move evah.

2GA2Join
Super Member
1 year ago

Arte should save some money on the scoreboard too. Electricity is expensive.

It should be a giant chalkboard, and guys with ladders.

2GA2Join
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Sorry, um, “whiteboard.”

I guess I’m older.

DowningDude
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1 year ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

We call them “race neutral boards” nowadays.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago

I think there’s a pretty clear distinction between players Arte really wanted and those the front office has struck for who failed (Cody Allen).

I definitely remember the cries that Arte wouldn’t sign the big deal. Happened after Beltre and grew louder until Pujols was signed. CJ Wilson came over the same day. Seemed like a franchise changing moment.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It was not a good change. Should have stayed scared.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Cody Allen was THE LAST available closer during that FA winter. Many of this blog were ecstatic at the signing as the team desperately needed a back of the bullpen arm. It was just a year.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

but not a boon for what he got from Vlad & Tori in their combined 11 seasons here.

smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

And I know he’s the team’s homegrown player, but we also cannot discount the money he has spent on Trout. He always had the choice to trade Trout away before his impending free agency, and after spending $365M on two players with no playoff wins or championships to show for it, he could have tightened the purse strings and ordered his front office to trade Trout and get a boatload of cheap prospects. But he didn’t. From what Trout and his agent have said publicly, the negotiations were pretty smooth and both sides came to an agreement fairly quickly.

smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago

The Rangers have fired Chris Woodward

Rangers a prime example of making it rain in the offseason =/= playoffs

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  smithy610

We must play them soon. Because the rules of TrAdition dictate that we will be swept by them as they play hard for their new interim coach.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

We’ll have to see. They are a western division team that is NOT the Dodgers, so it’s not like Phillies, where there are fans and reporters basically asking, “Sooooo, how does it feel to be such a huge f*** up that a perfectly good manager is out of a job?”

Here it’s “Hey Mike, post any new baby videos? He’s so cute! Hey Aaron, can I have one of those beers? We are all such very best friends!”

In Texas it will be “Oh, the Rangers fired th….. oh hey, the Cowboys just announced who will be making their little hand towels for the players this year!”

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Makes sense.

smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Spending $500 Million on Corey Seager and Marcus Semien, and just barely in 3rd place in the AL West, 23 games back. Who didn’t see that coming?!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  smithy610

Yeah, but they don’t have to suffer through Squid’s 1.3 WAR because they have a real SS with 3.6 WAR for 30x the money. Plus they have a POBO who is literally stuffed with real baseballness AND their owner obviously cares about winning more than making money and never even says the word marketing. This is why everything is working out great in Texas.

If we had Seager we would just complain about his defense.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
1 year ago

You could add Semien to that as well. But spot on.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Good for him. Maybe its finally starting to click. I betcha He’s feeling the heat from Vera and Placencia down at the IE as well as seeing the success of Neto and Soto at Madison.

At the very least maybe we’ll end up with some tradable assets

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

But he’s in our system, so obviously he’s trash.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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While he’s in our system, he’s trash. When outside our system he’ll accomplish great things.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Yes the Halo of Refuse is a strong forcefield.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

If he can stay healthy, I like this kid’s chances. In the three years since he’s been drafted he’s been hurt or on the sideline due to no minor league play.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

And he’s faster than a speeding bullet. In the last 2 years he has 48 stolen bases and has only been caught 7 times. Maybe Shohei can get some pointers from him.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

And his agent is great at saying he’ll call me back to arrange an interview but never doing so.

2GA2Join
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Cool. Clearly this means we have a solid SS in our farm, so we shouldn’t waste any money on one this offseason. We can go with a Squid for the next 2 years at SS.

2GA2Join
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1 year ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

… he said with a smirk

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2GA2Join

I say do it.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Paris, Jackson, Guzman…still so far away. Thank gawd Perry picked Neto, jumped right over these habitual minor leaguers.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago

maybe Albert catches A-Fraud (696) getting to the podium, for 3rd place all time.

pretty ambivalent what he ends with, but i have to admit of he passed AROID i’d be pleased

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

What if they tied? that would be more epic.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

he might get 3 more this season, so 692. That’s a lot!

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

When you called him A-Fraud I thought you were talking about Pujols because he lied about his age when he signed that long contract.

red floyd
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

A-Fraud/A-Roid. Tomayto/tomahto.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

Pujols has 10 HR in around 180 ABs this season, is batting .250 and has an OPS around .785. Oh and he’s generated 1/2 WAR.

Cardinals just have a way of getting the best out of every player they have.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yes this is the Cardinals way: We will have Grandpa sit his fat ass down on the bench until he can start against mediocre left handers. Just look at his splits:

vs RHP 108 AB’s .176/.282/.315
vs LHP 77 AB’s .351/.386/.662

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Unbelievable difference

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Aaaaannnnnddddd…. we should do the opposite with Walsh. Pujols was an asshole for not being willing to do this with us. I am still not sure how to blame Arte for Pujols being a total asshole…. but I’ll figure it out.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Walsh will require some deliberation . next year he becomes arbitration eligible which will spike his annual salary. Is he not a non- tender candidate with him even if his defense is elite? But Even if he turns around his offensive struggles I doubt he’ll ever hit lefties effectively which means we will need a dedicated RH bench player to pair with him next year.

One more thing Walsh as an option left. Why haven’t the Angels considered sending him down to work out his struggles at the great SL? this has been effective with other players.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Walsh is highly effective at what he does. Be a really good 1B and have an .800+ OPS against righties. That has value. 20M a year? No. But I’d wouldn’t mess with him (other than off season attempts to improve against lefties) and pay him through a couple arb years.

With Trout and Adell (plus guys like Magnificence Sierra) able to play CF I’d also spend a little money (or get as part of an Ohtani trade) a guy that can DH/1B/COF from the right side…. or train up Taylor Ward at 1B and get a guy like KK… But we could get a combined .800+ OPS and good defense out of 1B for pretty cheap the way things are AND get depth at other positions.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Uh that .800 OPS against righties? That’s now a thing of the past with Walshie.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Nah. I think he’s got a case of all around suck this year. He can bounce back against them. I think lefties just aren’t gonna happen for him, that’s fine, but he can lock in and get rolling if we just bat him against righties and the occasional left reliever.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Hence why I wanted to trade him for Hosmer and prospects.

  1. Hosmer is out producing Walsh
  2. We’d get prospects

$13 million per year to add 1-2 WAR at first is fair enough on its own. Adding additional pieces is just icing on the cake.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Does San Diego have any prospects left?

Jayman28
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If they do, they are probably playing in low A ball or Rookie.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

They did prior to the trade deadline and they were desperate to unload Hosmer.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Here you go. I gotchu boo….

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DowningDude
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1 year ago

He looked way more demonic in Royals powder blue

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Honestly, this was kind of it this year for their super farm. They still have some guys, but they are gonna be pretty middle of the pack in next years farm rankings. The last couple years they sent out A TON of prospects.

Thanks Fernando.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yah, this would have been good too.

Angels2020Champs
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

WAR changes as does the rest of his stats. I’ve seen it neutral or negative most the year too.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

Understood- however you look at it though, by today’s metrics, as against left handed pitchers only, Pujols is at least major league average and arguably better than that. Pretty amazing for a 50 year old!

Last edited 1 year ago by Fansince1971
Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

WAR? what really is it good for?

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Absolutely nothing- say it again!

red floyd
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Cardinals fans. They maybe as box mac n cheese AF but they do not generate spurting gouts of bad ju ju. They’re all “Gee Golly, we sure love our Cardinals, we’re the best fans ever cause they’re the best team ever and we all love it. Pass me that fried Twinkie.”

But hey, their prospects seem to all work, old men become useful. Guys get hurt and no-name depth pieces succeed, Adam Wainright is unkillable….. I like those guys, and their thing works.

Remember back in the day when I really wished the Angels had drafted Michael Wacha. I do.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

We would have benefited in drafting Michael Wacha just through Addition by subtraction even if Wacha never threw a major league pitch.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

If you need testosterone at 23 there is something wrong. At 23 I was so jacked up I could have used a testosterone reducer! 😂

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

Well, what the rest of us morons don’t realize, is that steroid are fantastic at killing ring worm and other infections. I can’t tell you how many times the doctors at my work are like “Oh NO! A Fungal infection! Quick, rub some steroids on it!” Maybe Tatis’s reasoning is he’s so bad ass that OTC goops can’t relieve itching as young, firey and talented as his itches are?

One thing that DOES show how powerful he is is the fact he’s made me think Machado isn’t THAT huge a douche.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

Ha! No doubt. And I would almost rather be known as a steroid guy than a ringworm guy.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

But if your known as a ringworm guy, that would make you a fun gi.

red floyd
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1 year ago

“Tatis is supposedly remorseful”. Yeah, he’s remorseful that he got caught.