LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Backs Are Cranky

Mike Trout won’t be rushed back out onto the field. As Phil Nevin put it, “Backs are cranky, they’re touchy.” This situation will be the new normal for Mike Trout, unfortunately. Janson Junk will likely get at least another chance to start. To me this looks like the Angels are preparing to lose Syndergaard before the trade deadline.

That’s right! It’s speculation season. Now is when everybody writes about trades that didn’t happen and may never happen. First up: Juan Soto. Whoever pays for him is going to have to pay big. There will be no creative financing. This link has seven speculative trades. None of them have to do with the Angels. Rhett Bollinger talks about trading Trout or Ohtani, but doesn’t end up actually saying anything. Jeff Passan says Ohtani is not going anywhere. Fangraphs ranks Shohei at number 26 on their trade values countdown series.

The Guardians are once again open to trading starting pitching. The cost for Shane Bieber, they say, would be exorbitant.

Both the White Sox and Yankees are in on Jose Quintana.

The Giants designated Angel Rondon for assignment to make room for Tommy LaStella to return from the COVID IL.

The Houston Astros checked in with the Cubs about Willson Contreras. Jason Castro is not progressing back as well as they might expect.

The Tigers are willing to talk about trading Tarik Skubal.

The Astros are also open to trading controllable pitching. They probably won’t do the Angels any favors, though.

This year it’s the Giants dugout where things are getting a little tense. They are working on ways for Carlos Rodon to keep control and not kick bats at his teammates. Here is the video of the bat kicking incident. This link also has video of the glove slamming incident. Are anger management classes in order?

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Angels2020Champs
Super Member
1 year ago

Fletch is back!

FungoAle
Super Member
1 year ago

Don’t strain your adenoids tonight Shohei. Need you in good health. You’ll be wearing Dodger Blue, Met’s Blue & Orange or Cardinal Red next weekend.

GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Reported

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

You wish.

2GA2Join
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I would be thrilled with this depending on what we received in return.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Shame on you. Get those nasty thoughts out of your mind !!

Twebur
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1 year ago

The return of Fletch!
Plumber gone I assume.

DowningDude
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

comment image

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Stefanic definitely not listed as a position player

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Yes, Plumber to AAA, Duffy to the 60 day IR

FungoAle
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1 year ago

Called up A-Dee-Doo and sent down Jack Stephan.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Not a shock.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

0 for 23 (or whatever) will do that

2GA2Join
Super Member
1 year ago

I was just looking at Red Sox trade rumors, and remembering how just earlier this season there was the possibility to debate if the Angels should trade for Xander to help fill a hole on our way to the playoffs.

How long ago and in an alternate universe that seems now.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago

I expect Trout to be shut down. At least he passed DiMaggio in career WAR.

benjiface
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1 year ago

I don’t expect anything from Trout, I haven’t in the last several years. Sad how his career has turned out after how it started.

GonFishin
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1 year ago
Reply to  benjiface

…huh?

Did he not finish Top 5 in MVP voting 2 years ago? Or win the MVP 3 years ago? We can point to his injury history these last 2 years ago and use it for pessimistic thoughts regarding his future, but you speak like he’s been in a decline for several years which is….strange…and not even statistically supported. He was on pace for several career highs in offensive stats before the groin injury last year, and had even raised his defensive metrics in CF this year.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  GonFishin

But it helps you fill your sack with sadness a lot faster if you moan “it’s beeeeen yyeeeaaaarrrsssssss….” before you plop down your negative thought for the hour.

Twebur
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1 year ago

Full sack of sadness all day, everyday.
https://youtu.be/N5O3rr65Qu4?t=38

Jayman28
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1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

When was the last time he had a healthy season?

GonFishin
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jayman28

2 years ago -he played 53 of 60 games. Research isn’t that hard.

Jayman28
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1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

Glad you researched it, but what about 2017?

GonFishin
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jayman28

You are just gonna casually skip 2018 and 2019? Come on, now…

2019: 134 out of 162 – 82% of games and 1st in MVP voting
2018: 140 out of 162 – 86% of games and 2nd in MVP voting

Why would you even try that angle from 5 years ago? Correct me if I’m wrong, but if I remember correctly, 2017 where he played 114 games was when he broke/dislocated his thumb sliding into 2nd, had surgery midseason, and still came back which I thought was impressive. That was 1 off injury when he was 25, and not a potential long term issue like his groin/back issues from the last few years.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jayman28

2017 was pre oven mitt that really shouldn’t count.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  GonFishin

Can we agree that 2021 and 2022 have been disappointing as it relates to Trout’s health?

GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago

110%

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago

yeah but its the club as a whole – way more so disappointing than any one thing

all sorts of disappointments.

good clubs have a habit of overcoming, Braves lost Acuna last year.

RexFregosi
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1 year ago
Reply to  benjiface

despite the presence of kryptonite, Superman was able to function and do amazing and super things still

Mike Trout is stronger than Superman (and has a higher bWAR and OPS+ too)

my expectation is he starts doing some Pilates and also hits 300 more HR

Last edited 1 year ago by RexFregosi
red floyd
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1 year ago

The sad thing is that he was screwed out of two MVPs by Miggy. First, because it was “Miggy’s turn”, and then because ZOMG TRIPLE CROWN!!!! (Just because Cokehead couldn’t hit two more HR).

Last edited 1 year ago by red floyd
GonFishin
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1 year ago

Been a fan since 2000…Can’t recall a worse year being an Angels fan and that was before the Trout news yesterday. The cherry on top would be if these airheads actually traded Ohtani at TDL.

I hope at the last homestand, the fans that attend make their voices heard. Bring banners and signs, start chants, and boo the shit out of this product. If we are going to suck, at least make it reach national attention. Then maybe Arte will give a fuck when he starts seeing the franchise value of the club drop when/if Ohtani does go.

July

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

You picked an awesome time to become a fan, two years before our championship. Be grateful.

GonFishin
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I can’t control when I was born.

MarineLayer
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1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

But you can chose who, and you did a great job there.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

Nor did we but October 1979, 1982, 1986 & 1995 were pretty damn bad. At least you still have part of your summer and all of your fall to recover.

Hell I still haven’t gotten over many of those seasons.

GonFishin
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I will take your word on the 70’s and 80’s…this feels extra bad compared to the wasteland years before the World Series run and even the mediocrity toil of the late Sosh years. Did those years you mentioned have any amazing players where it felt inevitable that incompetency was going to push them away from the club?

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

It wasn’t that we really sucked those years its that we collapsed when victory was sooo close in hand.

There were other dark times too. Finally losing out to the Royals in September 1978 & 1985 was not healthy and of course there was a huge pall over the entire franchise in September of 1978 when Lyman Bostock was murdered similar to what we all experienced with Nick A & Tyler.

But relative to the players there were so many great ones that I felt bless to be able to see them play but I’m sure that I would fail to mention them all if asked. Off the top of my head, For me it was Nolan Ryan & Reggie just because they commanded such a presence when they played. But I really liked Don Baylor & Brian Downing, different personalities but incredible bad ass team leaders in their own right.

JackFrost
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Baylor and Downing are two of my All-Time favorite Halos as well…

DowningDude
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1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

Next time you’re at the ballpark, pay CLOSE ATTENTION to the “Calling All Angels” pre-game movie thing.

Notice the timing of two consecutive highlights in the film:

  1. Mark Langston and Mike Witt combine for a no hitter!
  2. “He has homered THREE TIMES!

Please note that the time stamps of 1 and 2 are … 1990 and 2002. TWELVE YEARS OF NOTHING OF NOTE. Not. One. Highlight.

We are far from our worst days, but we’re getting closer every day.

Last edited 1 year ago by DowningDude
Angels2020Champs
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Those were the first 12 years of my loving the halos!! Damn 95 sucked.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DowningDude

You know it’s funny, the rockin sounds of bands like Train, Counting Crows, Matchbox 20, The Gin Blossoms… they are pretty much the musical equivalent of post 2014 Angels baseball.

steelgolf
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1 year ago

🤣🤣🤣

steelgolf
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yep, there were some 70s and 80s teams that were so bad, you could go to the stadium, get a cheap nose bleed ticket, and then just site 4 or 5 rows above The Angels dugout and watch the game.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

Does anybody know if Arturo has insurance in the event Trout is done? Not that it matters because we’re nowhere near the cap, but does Trout’s contract come off the books if he takes an injury retirement?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Yah. If Trout retires I don’t think he counts against the Lux Tax. And yeah, there is absolutely no way a contract that huge isn’t covered by injury insurance. The insurance usually doesn’t cover all of it, but it covers a big chunk.

Though, holy f***, who the hell is gonna be willing to sell Arte contract insurance at this point? If Trout joins the list you have…

Trout
Upton
Rendon
Hamilton

Plus

Wells
Pujols
GMJ
Finley
Allen
Burnett
Madson and on and on… even the ass end of Weaver’s contract….

The guy has literally pissed away well north of a billion dollars on games lost to injury.

The A’s/Rays way of doing things is looking a lot more logical to me every year.

smithy610
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1 year ago

Though, holy f***, who the hell is gonna be willing to sell Arte contract insurance at this point? If Trout joins the list you have…

There’s always going to be suckers

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Good gravy, that’s a whole lot of meat and potatoes in that list. That’s a serious amount of money. That does put us in first place on one list though, Most Pissed Away Money On Free Agents Ever. It hurts to think of what we would have and had been if he would have only spent that dough on Scouting, coaching and Development. North of a Billion Bucks – Yikes.

GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago

This is what happens when you have an owner that chases after shiny things. We need separation between the owner and baseball operations badly.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  GonFishin

Oh cool. Another one of you guys. Maybe you can help me. What does a President of Baseball Ops do that is different than the General Manager’s job? How does he keep the owner out of baseball operations?

I’m not kidding. I have yet to actually figure that out, and no one has really been able to explain it to me other than repeating shit they’ve seen other CtPG people comment about the POBO somehow keeping marketing guys away from the roster decisions….. with no evidence that they do even that at all.

Sooo… what is a POBO, other than a GM who gets a title bump so they can promote an AGM they don’t want to lose to GM? Do you know? I don’t.

Jayman28
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1 year ago

I’m pretty sure this teams Pobo is just some marketing guru that lacks baseball knowlege.

And I can tell you what the president of baseball operations does: they make more money than having a gm title, there I said it.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jayman28

I think you may have it. POBO may take a few more days off than a GM…. and he gets paid more. A POBO is a GM that has won some cash and ass time.

GonFishin
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1 year ago

Oh I’ll gladly take this one.

For starters, one advantage a GM/POBO relationship has over a Owner/GM relationship is a more narrow baseball operations focus when it comes to transactions. An owner is more likely to be concerned about marketability/payroll/commercial value of a player than a POBO and that will no doubt have an effect on any moves made.

Going off that, I think it’s fair to say that a POBO will have a more advanced baseball knowledge than an owner; a POBO most likely has been working with front offices for years holding many job titles over that span. An owner is most likely coming from outside the baseball realm, thus making their baseball knowledge inferior to a POBO. Considering the owner most likely holds the most power in an Owner/GM relationship, that can be a very frightening scenario for a club and fanbase.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly imo, a POBO is more likely to be involved with the overall landscape of the organization’s baseball operations, meaning not just day to day operations of the MLB team, but day to day operations of MiLB affiliates, drafting/scouting, and upkeeping of both the MiLB and MLB clubs. An owner is more likely to delegate all of those tasks to the GM or a “John Carpino *eyeroll*” as they most likely have many business portfolios they already manage and prioritize over their AAA and AA affiliates.

That’s my argument. Now you tell me what are the advantages of having an owner/GM operations tandem over a POBO/GM model? I’m genuinely curious if there are even any successful models that can be made for baseball. The first examples I thought of that were successful were Al Davis/Raiders and Mark Cuban/Mavericks, but those are different sports with less complicated dynamics than running a baseball organization. I thought of Mike Illitch/Detroit but he never won anything, and he was actually a sports fanatic.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

ive never concerned myself with the pobo guy, is it carpino?

who cares? he’s not the GM, he’s not Arte and he’s not on the field.

i think there are plenty of guys on PTP staff that are much more important than a pobo.

in Arte’s this run of this franchise almost 20 years, my perception is the pobo (carpino?) is as about as important as the ushers at the Stadium.

GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

To be honest….I have no idea what Carpino does. I never see him at the draft table or at in-season, post-season conferences. He could disappear tomorrow and I don’t think we would notice.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  GonFishin

I couldn’t give two shits about a POBO. I would cry with joy if we fired Carpino just cause he represents the douche mist of failure and Jeter love that I hate so much.

GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Perfectly fine with me.

Edit: I’m gonna look into this…I genuinely have no clue what Carpino does or contributes.

Last edited 1 year ago by GonFishin
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  GonFishin

Dude, no joke, I have tried that. I think he just sings Billy Joel’s Piano Man with Arte and Kuhl every evening before they all climb into the same huge bed together.

Jayman28
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1 year ago

I couldn’t have said it better

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  GonFishin

Soooo…. I still don’t know what the difference between what a POBO does day in and day out, and a GM does day in and day out, accept one is called a POBO.

Everything you just listed after the word POBO…. that is what a General Manager does. MLB roster construction, pro scouting, armature scouting, player development, coaching, contracts, trade negotiations, analytics, dealing with the owner… all what General Managers do.

I didn’t ask if a POBO knows more about baseball than an owner, because I already know they do. How does an owner not hold most of the power in a POBO/Owner relationship? Minor league affiliates, other than their rosters, are managed by the affiliate ownership, not a MLB GM/POBO/SameO. You (along with many others) seem to have some idea in your head that a POBO keeps the owner from influencing things. How?

I also didn’t say a GM/Owner relationship is better, though if you want a list of teams that have won without a POBO we can start with every WS Champ before what? 2010? and then I can start looking a little closer… I mean shit, Alex Anthropoulos is BOTH GM and POBO for the Braves. WTF? The Yankees have a GM… who is also a Vice President, but not POBO. I don’t think the Astros have a POBO. I am STILL asking, what is the difference between what a POBO does and a General Manager?

Thus far it just looks to me like POBO is corpspeak for “We didn’t want Ben Charington to leave for another team, so we made him GM and bumped Theo Epstein up to POBO… making him the President GM… oooooooo. He’s still basically GM, and Ben’s his right hand man.”

I think having a legit POBO happens when you succeed and Jon Daniels becomes your POBO so he can keep his FO intact. A few years removed from POBO Theo Epstein how many Cubs fans are like “Thank God we still have a POBO and not just a GM.”? Who is really the Cubs GM? Oh, it’s Jed Hoyer, their POBO.

I think the Angels 1st POBO will eventually be the first GM to get them back to the WS…. and he will still basically be a GM.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

If he retires he doesnt get paid so that ain’t happening

JackFrost
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

However, if it happens that after two or three years he is only playing minimally as a DH and performing well under his OWN standards I don’t think a buyout would be out if the question….

I don’t think Mike would want to show up in name only for like 6 yrs straight while milking the team for milllions. First, I don’t think that is who he is, but second and more importantly that would drastically impact his legacy and hurt the way he would be viewed by posterity.

I don’t think Mike would want that. But I don’t think any decision like that would come until every option for rehab and recovery had been exercised and a couple years of failure were behind him…

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I tend to agree. I would think deep down, he has the character that would not allow him to continue to just take Arte’s money especially how this would damage the team.

At least I don’t think the GOAT is Prince Fielder.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Thing is…. at the time of his arrival I was pretty sure Albert Pujols was not the kind of guy to just sit there sucking up a roster spot while providing nothing and getting paid huge money for several years….

and yet, there he was. Best shape of his life every f***ing spring.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Dolly Madison? How did she impugn Angel fans?

DaveChalk
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1 year ago

The last comment really highlights the disconnect between on field performance and revenue in terms of gate and tv. As a fan I’d take the A’s and Rays success any day over our “stars” but would an owner make that choice to move away for $$$ just to win. There clearly is middle ground here it terms of list above and beyond the glaring ones like Hamilton and Rendon’s early start do you think a lot of clubs could post a similar list in terms of outcome with long term FA deals?

Jayman28
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1 year ago
Reply to  DaveChalk

Yeah, but then us fans don’t get the red meat thrown to us when we see shiny headlines on how they overpaid to get a free agent to sign with our team.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DaveChalk

The things is, you can make money without stars if you win. The A’s play, literally, in a toilet bowl located in a murderous ghetto full of homeless shit. Dad’s not taking the wife and kids there to watch a game even if they are winning. The Rays also play in a dump by a bunch of industrial parks an hour away from where “Johnny Baseball Fan” and his family tends to live…. in fact, if you factor in Tampa, Clearwater, and the South Suburbs the Trop is literally in the most inconvenient location for all three groups to get to.

Plus those teams have no huge stars.

But look at a team like the Giants. They draw a ton of people and don’t tend to have huge names on the team. Honestly, even the Astros haven’t really spent a ton on “star power”. Besides, half the time, good teams generate stars, like Acuna for the Braves.

We don’t need no stinking stars.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

So, if he stays injured and collects his salary, then it does count?

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Against the CBT? I believe so but Arte would get some sort of insurance settlement.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Yeah. If he is hurt but keeps going to doctors, herbalists, reiki healers and yoga instruction for his back he gets paid. That counts against our “cap”.

This is why the NFL is about to go to shit by giving out guaranteed contracts. If the only thing that can be guaranteed in a sport is that X player will get 50M a year…. yah, poop.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Wait a minute. You are FORBIDDEN to speak ill of His Holy Grittiness, Jered Weaver. No matter how he sucked the last two seasons of that contract, he had G-R-I-T, and that is more important than a fastball velocity over 75MPH.

GRIT!
FIRE!

That’s ALL the Angels need and they will WIN the World Series 3X a season!

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

To be clear Passan is not saying Ohtani is not going anywhere. He is only saying that it is unlikely that Shohei is traded now, prior to the deadline. He does however seem to feel it is likely that Ohtani is traded in the off-season.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

How would he know?

JackFrost
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Well, I would imagine that a guy like Passan has “sources” who either work inside the MLB offices or are in club offices themselves… The NBA guys like Wojnarowski and Windhorst are definitely legit and don’t report things that are not at least based in reality.

I don’t know if I would consider Passan’s info to be on that level, but I certainly would not write him off as a fly-by-night peripheral media voice.

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

But does Passan truly understand the mind of pure cheapness and raw evil? Who can predict what ideas are emanating like a sinister light from beneath Arte’s office door into the dark lightless halls of the Angels FO? Is Jeff Passan Anton Levey or John Milton? I think not.

DaveChalk
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Is Gitch comparing being an Angel fan to the premise of the Good Place?

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

If it happens we are classified 100% as a rebuilding franchise…thought Arte doesn’t do rebuilds?

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

4 against Texas and 3 against Oakland. I’d like to see 7 straight Shufflebot nights starting tonight! I don’t expect it but would be fun to see.

red floyd
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

And then three vs the Ms and another 3 at Choakland. I’ll be at the Tarp Covered Monstrosity for the game on the 10th.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  red floyd

Bring a good jacket.  🚽 

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

And a hard hat.That thing could fall at any moment.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cowboy26
red floyd
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’m also bringing a set of waders.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The team will do that so we can sew up a 3rd place finish. We have netted a whole lot of nothing in the way of Playoffs or Draft positions with our 3rd & 4th place finishes in the last 7 seasons as it has become trAdition to even screw up losing. No one remembers our W – L record from ’16 and much less from ’20, but we remember that we have not seen a productive draft in a long, long time. Time to acknowledge how good it might be to embrace losing to get some young help in here.

Last edited 1 year ago by GrandpaBaseball
Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago

But GB, you know that drafts are more the result of scouting rather than draft position.

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago

But it’s also better to draft in front of teams that might draft the same position of need as ours.

red floyd
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1 year ago

Don’t forget Draft lottery.

RexFregosi
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1 year ago

we can get up to third place in the AL West with a good series- we are rolling!

3rd – straight ahead! YAY!!

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Maybe Soggy Joe’s absurd rest schedule for both Rendon and MNT was not so absurd after all.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The need for the DH to keep Trout and Rendon serviceable is one of the main reasons I’ve come around on dealing Ohtani to kickstart a fast rebuild. Unless Ohtani becomes a part time OF, we’re going to always have a pristine Ohtani at DH while the other 2 take full days off when maybe they could still swing the bat, draw a walk etc as as DH.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Yeah. I was totally wrong in how I first viewed Shohei as adding roster flexibility. I thought it meant we can basically carry an extra player. But really, if he has to DH all the time and we have to have a 6 man rotation all the time…. it’s not really all that much of a help roster wise.

toad2065
Member
1 year ago

Not only not helpful. It is a very large rock in the middle of the stream that must be navigated every day. Love Shohei’s entertainment value but he must be traded before next season.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  toad2065

Traded to be rid or traded because of what he will bring in return? Huge difference.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Traded because he going to leave anyway.

WTF internet men? Pretty much all of you (not GPB per say) have been squeezing your thighs together declaring that Ohtani is going to leave as soon as he can for years now.

Ohtani + Leaving as FA + His contract would choke us even more = Get what you can for the guy.

So many of you have NEEDED to be right about this for so long. Embrace the glory of being so right. Have a cookie. Watch us trade Ohtani for guys you can instantly start complaining about.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago

Ohtani is essentially our ace. Even ignoring his All Star DH status, how many aces are traded and what is the haul for them? What is the comp?

Is it Corbin Burnes? Dylan Cease? Verlander?

We are talking Cy caliber pitching on the trade market. How often does that happen?

The Verlander trade from Detroit might be close (three top 11 or better prospects) but that included paying Verlander 50M moving forward.

And again, that is just for Ohtani the pitcher ….

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I’ll take it.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

This was my thinking as well… Right now as a top 5 starting pitcher in the Majors ( and of course an “ace”) Ohtani is essentially invaluable.

You cannot trade him without getting back another ace (proven!) in return. And that is just for starters… You then have to be compensated for his bat!

GonFishin
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1 year ago
Reply to  toad2065

Imagine prioritizing 2 older and injury prone players over this generation’s Babe Ruth…unreal. That’s the kind of thinking that will keep us in the basement for the duration of Rendon’s contract. If Trout does need to be a DH (we don’t know that, pure speculation), then you teach Shohei 1B or OF. That is what competent teams do – they think outside the box to field the best possible team. And it’s 3B or bench for Rendon at this point. But it will be 3B.

This take makes absolutely no sense to me. He is statistically one of the best pitchers in baseball this year The system the Angels have with him is clearly working and you can’t argue it hurts the rotation because it’s actually one of the few strengths of this paper thin club. Do people think it’s going to be any different for him if he goes to a new club?

“Large rock in the middle of the stream”…yeah if that rock was a gold nugget.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  GonFishin

Sooooo…. if only the actual situation were completely different then we would be fools not to pay Ohtani 45M a year until he too catches scurvy or brain sprain and we have to pay him for 5 years of being useless.

How were you “unprioritizing” Trout and Rendon? Murder for hire? Time travel? Were we supposed to be prioritizing “new Ruth” in 2019? How about 2020? Just don’t sign or extend anyone for 3 years because he may turn out to pitch and hit well?

GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I’ve read your response 3 times over and your 2nd paragraph still doesn’t make sense so I’m not sure how to respond to that. Your 1st paragraph is just a hypothetical crystal ball scenario. Although with the franchise’s luck, both of those things do happen to him.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  GonFishin

Imagine prioritizing 2 older and injury prone players over this generation’s Babe Ruth…unreal. That’s the kind of thinking that will keep us in the basement for the duration of Rendon’s contract.

How were you “unprioritizing” Trout and Rendon? Murder for hire? Time travel? Were we supposed to be prioritizing “new Ruth” in 2019? How about 2020? Just don’t sign or extend anyone for 3 years because he may turn out to pitch and hit well?

GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Ah I see…miscommunication/confusion.

Has nothing to do with past contracts and moves, rather the opposite as in the future. A poster above was saying that Ohtani’s limited fielding abilities and pitching schedule was potentially a problem if Rendon/Trout needed to be regulated to DH duties. To which I responded: hogwash! In that event, if I were the manager/GM, I would prioritize Trout’s long term health and give him the DH if he couldn’t go in CF and you teach Shohei a position. I bet he could be a better OFer than Adell after a few months, lol.

GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

Although that would only be in the best case scenario of Ohtani wanting to stay. If the unfortunate happens…this isn’t even a conversation.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  GonFishin

I was hoping you knew how to build a time machine… and also possibly weren’t bummed out by a little killing. But no.

TootyTwo would LOVE you skinless if you could build him a time machine and send him back to every draft, off season, and intl signing period.

GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I know how to make an imagination box for what it’s worth…

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Who knows, without that early rest Mike probably does not have that huge series in Seattle that he had ?

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

That was a back bending series alright.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Rendon was getting rest days for a wrist injury he didn’t have yet?

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

Glad he has a goal to play again this year. Just like last year when he had that ouchy jogging into third.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Backs are cranky, calves are touchy, everything on Trout’s frame is apparently another day closer to falling off. Thank gawd we have $400M over the next 9 years tied up in a broken downn30 year old.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

And whatever is left on Rendon’s $240 million contract for that broken down 32 year old.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 year ago

People that are being truthful normally communicate details. This feels very non-specific and reminds me of the Angels vagueness in relating past injuries.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

I agree. Angels injuries are usually worse than the worst case scenario.

DaveChalk
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

yeah i’m curious to know from last couple of years are they purposely minimizing the injuries to keep fan hope and $$$ alive as long as possible or he can really come back sooner if they were actually seriously in the playoff race and they are just making the call better keep him safe until the games matter again next year.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DaveChalk

Are people really deciding to watch a game at the Big A tonight based on whether or not they feel Trout will play…. in two weeks?

DaveChalk
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Well not now and this year but with last year’s calf injury would he have come back in 2nd half if they had a decent chance. And I think the belief he was likely to come back in 2nd half kept people coming at least until July after which only the most die hards still believed a 60-10 run or similar would put us right back in it

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I’ve been saying since 2012 that Trout is fat and we need to get rid of him. I was so right. Where is my cookie? Acknowledge me.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

Choclate Chip or Peanut Butter? 🍪 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I eat Fig Newtons… cause I’m a sadist!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Perfect. Now clap for me and chant “You were soooo right. You were sooooo right. You’re eyes are open, we are so blind. You are sooooo right.” while I eat it.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
1 year ago

The trout news is less than inspiring. I’m going to the game tonight, Ohtani pitching and 12 days since the last home game. Nothing like going to the park, go Angels!

halofansince1978
Super Member
1 year ago

Frostad is toast!!! Ask Joe Maddon how I know that.

Trout said Frosted’s career comments were, “silly.”

https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1552408501019971586

Last edited 1 year ago by halofansince1978
Angels2020Champs
Super Member
1 year ago

Certainly sounds better than the initial report but the double speak from the organization in general when it comes to injuries (day to day to season ending IL) makes me less optimistic.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

His career may not be over, but his trade value is kaput.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago

Trout was never seriously a trade consideration.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Yeah, sure.

If you all recall Mike said the exact same thing (“I’ll play again this season”) in regards to his seemingly minor calf injury, and then he was of course shut down. A back issue is pretty much in all cases more serious (the possible exception of spasms) than anything with the calf.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I’m thinking about Yelich who went from an MVP to a bad contract with his chronic bad back he must now manage.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Yah. It’s not a good sign at all. Limbs are a fairly easy fix. Stuff that locks onto the spine? Not so much.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

The big news here is the Angels apparently have a trainer and he allegedly has some sort of name he may use on occasion.

DowningDude
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I thought he was named “Web MD”

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Kevorkian?

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago

Kevorkian would actually be better. At least his services would free the Angels from any Competitive balance taxes if any of their long time injured players suddenly expired.

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago

Dookie Howitzer.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  DowningDude

I thought it was Dr. Nick ?

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

While I certainly am not defending Frostad ( he probably should be gone based upon no or very little decrease in player injuries) I would also say that Mike Trout is not a medical doctor ( though he may have slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night) and it would be somewhat expected for him to feel better after getting a cortisone shot.

But getting that shot in his back and temporarily feeling better in NO way indicate that the underlying condition is in any way resolved.

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I say we put Arte on the trade block.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

We’d have to kick in prospects and cash – neither of which we have in quantity.

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

Trade him to Russia in a prisoner swap.

halofansince1978
Super Member
1 year ago

Trust me…Arte has cash in quantity.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago

Don’t let the EDD know.

halofansince1978
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Ya, they can be kinda like the IRS.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago

Hence why Arte spends at least 6 months a year in Arizona.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

Source?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

…and I don’t find it coincidental that Arizona’s first round draft choice damaged his shoulder and will miss a year.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

But he hates sharing

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago

after the trade of course, we find out the new owners need tommy john surgery

really don’t have much money
their assets are being seized by the IRS
want to sell of Trout and Ohtani for all the cash they can get
plan to move the team to Las Vegas once the lease expires
or will just fold the team into the Dodgers for $2B

trAdition

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Is the plan to sell the team to Jeter? Do we at least get a gift basket the next day?

Marcotor
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Jackie Autry is back?

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago

Billy Beane is extremely interested in thus trade. ESPN has reported that Beane would love to have Arte in Oakland.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
1 year ago

He would enjoy it for the first month and then want to resign since Arte and Carpino would make all the decisions for him.