So we had a little issue with the rain at the outset. Come on Roy! There’s no crying in baseball!
Well maybe there is. The game was scoreless trough 6.5 innings and then Shohei imploded. He allowed six runs to score before being replaced by Aaron Loup, who then allowed a single, a walk, and a hit by pitch before being replaced by Elvis Peguero. Peguero allowed another run to score on a wild pitch before ending the inning with a strikeout. Maybe there is crying in baseball.
Jared Walsh doubled in the top of the eighth inning but Jo Adell struck out to make sure it was meaningless.
Peguero came in again and managed to strike out Travis d’Arnaud. He also struck out Eddie Rosario. I’ll give him credit for striking out guys when it no longer matters. Marcell Ozuna went ahead and homered to make it 8-0. Orlando Arcia grounded out to “keep it close” at 8-0 Braves.
In the top of the ninth, Jonathan Villar hit a rather meaningless homer to Make it 8-1 on a fly ball to left. Dillon Thomas struck out on three pitches. Max Stassi popped out to the catcher. Michael Sgefanic came in to pinch hit for Velasquez. He hit a pop out to shortstop Swanson to end the game. 8-1 Braves.
Cover photo credit: Rex Fregosi
signed out of Mexico for just under $30K in 2017
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7-2 WAR 3.0………..UNBELIEVABLE!! 1 yr $4M
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What’s your point? Who cares?
It is unbelievable. He’s absolutely sucked for so many years I’m surprised anyone was willing to give him a job this year . So why didn’t you post a picture of him in his Twins uniform ? That 5.05 ERA didn’t turn you on?
Born into the family of a barrel maker. Signed for some food and clothing. Saved Le Grande Armie from destruction in the retreat from Casal Novo. Flabbergasting!
Panda Bachman pitching tonight. Good news.
He looks like he’s ready to kick it into Overdrive. https://twitter.com/trashpandas/status/1550919173324394497
Is he chewing on rocks, or are those seeds?
How many quality starts does he have?
this is why I’m telling myself “patience!” Rocket City is having success. It *will* translate to the big club. When? 2024? 2025? Probably something like that.
He’s not a starter.
Nice, would like to see him healthy and put up good numbers the rest of the season so we can flip him in the off-season
Apparently Adell has some real competition for the lead glove.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jared_Carrabis/status/1550638157376413696
https://mobile.twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1550894837993558017
Hang up the phone and cut the chord. I don’t trust management with this kind of trade.
Good. I saw this report elsewhere and I was happy.
At this point I just want to start next season with a healthy Trout and Ohtani, Rendon, Walsh, Ward and Fletcher. I want to run it back.
If we fail in 2023 then we can reevaluate things mid-season. I would not trade him now because nobody is going to be willing to offer you what Shohei is actually worth.
Why would you think 2023 will be any different than 2022. Is everything just going to just work out healthwise when it hasn’t for the last three seasons?
You could *potentially have new direction and vision within management and will for sure have new in game management and player management with an actual manager for starters. Both of those alone are huge pluses to at least start a season. Now it could also potentially fall apart, but I think it’s pretty clear by now that a change is needed…and most likely coming.
I doubt it, this is Arte we are talking about.
You understand that Ohtani is not under contract after the 2023 season?
Trout missed most of 2021 and has been out 20 games or so season-to-date. Rendon has been out for most of the last two seasons. Walsh has regressed in 2022. Ward has had one-half of an outstanding season at age 29. In my opinion, Ward is at best Kole Calhoun. Who knows about Fletcher.
You’re basically hoping that 4 of the 6 players you listed do something they haven’t done over the last couple of seasons. I guess it’s possible, but so is winning the $800M PowerBall lottery.
Ward was pretty damn good before he ran into the RF wall. He was very close to being an AL All Star before he slumped at the end of June.
Anyway, yes, I do understand Shohei’s contract situation. He is our Ace.You simply do not trade your Ace unless you get back another Ace in return.. That is why I put Buehler in a sample trade.
I think as an organization you have to do everything, literally everything in your power to avoid trading Ohtani. Yes, I do know that if you wait until mid 2023 and are still in the same boat, that his value would likely not be as high. But that is a chance you have to take. You don’t throw in the towel now, especially not for the ridiculous paltry offer of four prospects that people are offering.
You want to send me Paul Goldschmidt and a stud arm or Juan Soto, then that is a different story.
But then the team is in the same position with Goldschmidt and Soto. No money to pay them and then they are lost. Look, I am on board with keeping Ohtani or getting high priced players in exchange if Arte opens up the budget. But I have seen no willingness on his part to do so. If that is the case, a complete rebuild is the only thing that makes sense to me.
trade Ward while the iron’s hot
What if he’s Erstad after 2000?
You mean our team captain on the 2002 World Championship team? That would be awesome
Mike Rizzo said the same thing in June, 2022. “We have no intention of trading Juan Soto.”
Running it back with a severe platoon split 1st baseman, declining productive 2B? Ward is a wild card, guessing he is a 0.260 hitter when all said and done. This is exactly what happened in 2022!
You want Ohtani ?
Send me Juan Soto and you have a deal.
Not advocating trading for Soto or trading Ohtani, I’m pointing out that it will be Ohtani that forces his way off the team just like Soto has done. Once that happens, the team will seek offers. I don’t care if Perry hung up the phone today, 23 July 22.
Running it back will be fatal.
Yikes. I sure hope they don’t do that. The only reason that the Angels should not trade Ohtani before the first pitch of 2023 is if he signs an extension beforehand.
Otherwise, Jack, why would you want to keep Ohtani for 2023?
Is it because with him, you think we may truly contend for a postseason run? If so, then I can at least understand your opinion, even if I don’t agree (because it looks very unlikely to me that we can vault from the team I see now into contention in one season). Now if Arte cranks up the payroll, then I’ll change my tune.
Otherwise, we can’t let Ohtani walk out the door at the end of 2023, in return for: 1. A bonus round draft pick and… 2. A 2023 season of our emotions feeling good watching him play for us (but finishing .500).
Sure, I get it. People can debate on the return of players we “might” get for Ohtani. However I think that we will at least get a return much more valuable than what I just mentioned above.
Are we going to be doing this every year? That my friend is the definition of insanity. And I don’t know why would you hold Ohtani hostage on playing for a team going nowhere, what if he wants to traded? Are we just going to tell him no?
That would be like a boss or manager at work refusing your two weeks notice or resignation and making you work for the company forever.
You could tell him no. Sure. He is under contract. This is not the NBA.
Anyway, if Arte is really committed to keeping him maybe he’ll realize he has to invest more in the infrastructure and in other parts of the team. Problem is, it may be too late to keep Shohei… However, I do not think we are that far away talent wise. We WERE in fact winning this season to the tune of being 11 games over .500. We were doing great until we got royally screwed by umps and MLB reviews in Blue Jays series…. That one series changed the whole trajectory of our season. I really believe that.
I am going to say this again, Arte is not going to invest more in the team or infrastructure. I also think always blaming the umps is a copout, as much as they are awful, the team needs to have some accountability for their poor play and not always blame them.
How I see it, Arte isn’t going to improve anything, I think the fallout from the stadium deal has made him throw in the towel and is now going to go Donald Sterling until the league finds a way to oust him.
Not sure what you mean by “go Donald Sterling.” But I do agree that the stadium deal falling through was indeed a big disappointment for Arte. Will it inspire him to sell ? I don’t think so.
When I mean go Donald Sterling, I mean run the team into the ground until some sort of scandal comes up and the League has a reason to oust him
Lol. “Some sort of scandal” has already come up.
Ever heard of Tyler Skaggs? Do you know how and why he died ??
He passed away from OD’ing using drugs he got from a former employee Eric Kay.
Source?
I didn’t say it happened, I said that it could be a possibilty.
So could Giant Meteor or Alien invasion ( the interstellar type of course)
Need to get Arte on tape, hurling racial commentary . Wonder what Donald Sterling’s old girlfriend, Vi, is doing theses days. We got job Vi that needs your gold digging expertise, down in OC.
I wonder too
Well she was a head of her time with the face covering.
Source?
Outscored 24-3 last 3 attempts. All runs scored on meaningless solo shots near end of game. Yeesh
I would not let Syndergaard throw another pitch until he is off the roster
I sure hope his value doesn’t drop more before we have a chance to trade him.
Hopefully he’ll crank out another 7 innings of 2 run ball before then.
Wow that one hurt the soul. Not that I expect Ohtani to be a perfect ace every outing but that meltdown coupled with how shitty things are going and he was pitching so damn well before the 6th just was brutal. I guess all it was was another butter cup for our never ending book of pages.
Here’s my Ohtani trade. To the Cards for 6 players. Would immediately make the Angels farm a top-10. None of these guys are over 22. They are likely all future MLB players and Gorman and Walker have star potential. Fills all the big holes.
2B Nolan Gorman
3B Jordan Walker
LHP Matthew Liberatore
C Ivan Herrera
SS Masyn Win
RHP Michael McGreevy
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This is the worst trade in the history of MLB. Worse than the Mookie Betts trade !
If they did it, the team would have a revitalized farm system and be ready to compete in a couple seasons – and have payroll flexibility.
I think he meant worse im a sense that the Cards would not trade six prospects for a year and a half rental. You may get three of the six though.
Ah. Got it. Worse from Cards perspective.
It would likely punch the Cards ticket to the WS so they might be willing to overpay.
Nope. Worse from the Angels perspective.
No team is going to offer a package for Shohei unless they are confident he will sign long term. Not sure why Jayman was assuming he could read my thoughts…
“ready to compete in a couple seasons” ??
Just how do you know that ? There is not one proven MLB player on this list.
The point is you gotta build up the farm. This team is not competing now and is not going to compete in a couple of seasons with the same blue print that has been used. It’s not working. So my thought process is rebuilding and the way you rebuild is with really good top young cost controlled prospects which the Angels do not have. You use Ohtani‘s to get them and will begin the rebuilding process.
The team sucks already and it’s not getting better. Trout and Rendon are sunk costs. Gotta use your only tradeable pieces to bolster the farm system. That’s my opinion. As I’ve said – I’d rather them suck with inexpensive young players than with overpriced ones.
Again, I doubt Arte would agree to any of it. He’s making too much money off the Ohtani train. I am saying what I would do to try and build the Angels for the future.
You want to build up the Farm, that’s fine. Do it through the Draft. Do it through OTHER trades. You do not trade a young, future Hall of Fame player who is just entering his Prime for a handful of prospects. That would be a good way for Perry to become known as the the GM who made the worst trade in history…
IF you really want to trade Shohei then you do something like this :
Part A) Shohei Ohtani and Rengifo to the Dodgers
Part B) Will Smith, Walker Buehler, Bobby Miller, Brusdar Graterol and Gavin Lux to the Angels
Still not sure I would do this, but at least I would consider it as reasonably fair. The other Shohei trades I have seen on this site have been laughable (including yours).
It’s all perspective my man. I see nearly 0 chance Ohtani stays with the Angels after 2023. Either he will be too expensive for Arte or he will want out of here.
Ohtani’s trade value will never be higher than right now. I hate trading him – but this clown circus has become unbearable. My concept is to use him to completely restock the Farm. You may not like the idea (you seem to want to give this same team another go in 2023 which I find laughable) and that is your prerogative.
Source?
No TEAM WILL GIVE UP MORE THAN ONE TOP PROSPECT.
The Nats got Josiah Gray and Keibert Ruiz (no idea who he is).
Angels need to blow up their stupid MLB Draft strategy of stretching out their pool money when they suck at most late round draftees.
First, I do not think that is close to true, but if teams call with ridiculous offers (even three good prospects is “ridiculous” if no proven, young top MLB talent is included) then you tell them to sit and spin, or simply hang up the phone on them, which is likely what Perry has been doing :
Report: Angels rebuff Shohei Ohtani trade inquiries (msn.com)
Congratulations you just set the CTPG record for most erroneous statements in one paragraph . Very impressive . Yet Tomorrow you can try and top your idiocy again .
Did he really earn that award or did he just wear us all out?
Our farm was rated #30 out of #30 after the recent draft. I don’t think this last draft moved the needle that much. Yes, I realize we won’t really know the value of this draft for another 3 or 4 years. However, I don’t have a lot of faith in the current cast of characters to ace a draft board.
Well, I agree that the “current cast of characters” is a big issue, probably THE main issue we have, not our lack of talent on the Big League club. Perhaps that particular issue should be addressed and corrected before we consider trading a once in lifetime talent like Ohtani ?…
And meanwhile get nothing for Ohtani and he’s gone.
Unless we really believe the team can make the playoffs in 2023 (and if you do I have a bridge to sell you) Ohtani becomes by far the best and most necessary trade chip.
And I would add that THE biggest problem the Angels have is the payroll obligations by comparison to Arte’s established budget.
Well, others have brought this up, maybe it is time for Arte to take his head out of the sand and realize that his self-imposed budget will have to change?
If you want to compete with the Mets, Dodgers and Yankees you are going to have to spend more, Mr. Moreno. Plain and simple.
But if we look at the past as the predictor of the future – we have no reason to expect Arte to magically increase the budget.
So if we take that as true and the team will not be able to sign Ohtani or any other high priced piece received in exchange for him (such as Soto or Goldschmidt) then trading him for top prospects is the sensible approach.
So what is Arte thinking then? Surely he is the one giving PTP his marching orders. If he has told Perry to not entertain offers on Ohtani then he is either A) by hook or by crook planning on signing him to a big, long-term deal, or B) letting him play out 2023 with the good chance that he walks…
Arte is a good enough businessman to understand what B means… I suspect there is a good chance that Arte has a plan to keep him… That of course means Arte ups the payroll. Just think about it. It is logic.
Or A) he will collect the $$$$ for the next 18 months and let Ohtani walk after maximizing his investment (like a stock) or B) Perry’s “not entertaining offers” is bullshit like everything else this Organization says publicly.
You’re correct that there are other options. I gave two. It could be as you say that Arte simply wants to make as much off of Ohtani now and in 2023 as he can…I do doubt however that the “not entertaining offers” is a smokescreen since putting that out there (if not true) would likely dissuade teams who have thought about getting involved from even calling to discuss the possibility. That would not make sense from the Angels standpoint — you would not do that to drive up the price since it would turn people away…
or maybe the intent is to get Ohtani’s people to negotiate. Remember Ohtani said he’s not exchanged numbers with Perry Moreno
This is awful.
For what reason? I’m interested in your reasoning more than your opinion.
How Nevin could allow Ohtani to stay in after he was done is still beyond me. For this we needed to fire, Joe?
The single after the HR should have been the last pitch. Game was already over
It’s clear tha HR got to him. He was also probably thinking “game over” as well.
I love the Angels, but gave up on this team early June. I love Ohtani, but we should trade him to start the rebuild. If Trout wants to be traded to a playoff team, he should be traded too. It hasn’t worked out at all. As fans, we try to remain positive and this rodeo hasn’t worked out for years. Signing players to big contracts always hurt us. A strong farm system that develop 2-3 young superstars is the winning method and then trading for that MLB caliber star mid season. MLB teams that try to buy their way to the World Series don’t make it. It works better in the NBA. Baseball is different though. Arte is a damn fool thinking that.
And just remember, there are teams out there winning without Trout and Ohtani.
worst thing that ever happened to us………….like they drove over a cliff after that!!
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being crisped toast by July hasn’t happened too much – its agonizing
cannot wait for August!
because i’m used to the Angels being out of things in August – its just a natural part of summer.
we’ve all been flattened but hang on another week, being a shitty baseball team will feel pretty natural once August hits (almost comforting like all is normal in the world).
but it will suck for one more week.
Pretty sure they have President Of Player Operations and DON’T HIRE OVER THE HILL OLD FORMER COACHES LIKE TONY LA RUSSA AS A ADVISER………BYE!!!!
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That… is a football team
I noticed the Blue Jays scored 4 touchdowns last night. Great place for Shotime other than the Dodgers
If the following sentences were banned, would we have anything to read?
“trade Trout”
“trade Ohtani”
“fire Perry”
“fire Nevin”
“fire the pitching coach”
“fire the hitting coach”
“fire the trainers”
“fire the scouting department”
“do we even have a scouting department?”
“fire Carpino”
“Arte needs to sell”
“burn the Cowbot hat”
“DFA Loup”
“DFA Tepera”
“We suck”
“We still suck”
“We never stopped sucking”
“Please Arte sell”
“we need a shortstop”
“we need pitching”
“we need therapy”
Buttercup
Tradition
turn the page
tip your hat
Not yesterday, but….
Ohtani is the greatest thing that’s ever happened to baseball.
(Trying my hand at positivity)
That pretty much limits us to an in-depth discussion of the demise of Necco Wafers a few years ago.
Necco Waffers… made the Civil War a little more delicious.
“We need a stiff drink”
“My advice to you is to drink heavily”
You forgot: “Hey Rengifo got a hit! He’s the GOAT of the game!”
Because, ironically, that has been true in more than one game in the past month, when we’ve been shut out and got like 2 hits!
Don’t forget Villar’s HR!
What is this crap?
Sure, we suck.
It’s hard to watch Angels baseball right now.
But there are glimmers of hope.
Senator John – it’s time to exit the dark cave in which you currently dwell alone and sad.
“Glimmers of hope” – please explain
Sounds like your mad that our madness is so maddening.
If we are going to lose, at least keep some shred of dignity. Get rid of the cowboy hat or at least save it for when we aren’t getting blown out in the 9th.
…at least we didn’t give up 28 runs……OMG
#RedSoxfansmasssuicide
Yes, we’ve still got that.
*Yet
Not sure what the biggest letdown of the last 24 hours was… this game or Nope. Such high hopes for both.
It was so obvious during this game that if we just had a different owner, GM, front office, coaches and manager that these players would be completely different and actually, you know, play baseball. But they don’t because the owner stops them… with dark magic, I mean culture.
If I were a coke nosebleed crazy owner, at this point I’d trade everybody, even if I had to pay a chunk of a bunch of guys contracts for a while. Then I’d have PTP get a bunch of AAAA Plumbers, farm hands and MLB bounce backers on MiLB contracts and tell them “Look, I’ll pay you 200K for every point over .700 your OPS is, 30K each for every player in any game the team has no errors, 500K for every .01 below 1.35 your WHIP is, 500K per save, 300K per hold, 1 million per quality start, 3M for every +.5 WAR…. etc.” If we make the playoffs, everyone get’s an extra 5M. Team votes on player of the month each month. Winner gets 2M.
See if we can just Imorten Joe our way to a team that is at least rabidly trying to kill their opponent.
And build the farm by stealing as many Cardinals, Guardiandians, Astros, Rays, Braves, Doyers etc system guys as we can and overpaying them.
Change the team’s name to Savages. Mohawks for everyone…. accept our manager, Kevin Costner.
I’d watch that shit, even if we lose.
If they stick around, fine, but I’m bored as f*** with people whining about Trout’s mental health and shifting in their seats because of their pointless Ohtani boner. I want to root for the Riverside Meth Savages… or the 1982 Brewers…. 79 Pirates?
Riverside Meth Savages? Now that would be a perfect sports team
May still lose 100 games… but will be #1 in our hearts.
I don’t know man, those incentives could probably motivate those players to perform.
Nevin Costner?
Call them “The Heros of Fort Wilderness”. We need someone to go “Benjamin Martin” on them all”
Our manager got a mohawk. Unfortunately he got shit canned before he could show it off:
Former Angels’ manager Joe Maddon changed his hairstyle into a mohawk in an effort to motivate his team during their 14-game losing streak, only to get fired before he could debut his new do
This is soooo TrAdition.
Oh and by the way, F*ck the Wallbangers.
Yeah I saw that a few weeks ago…wasn’t impressed. Granted the firing hasn’t brought the results, but if Perry was looking for answers to end the L streak, and that was Maddon’s response…*shrug*
Worst team in baseball…..who’s worse?
The Nats and A’s. But the Angels are definitely more nutless.
Maybe Oakland, but I’m not sure. No one else.
But they’re purposely built to be bad. This team is spending big bucks and has nothing to show for It for the last decade.
That’s the crux. What has more “feels bad”? The kid who fails his classes because he’s lazy and doesn’t care, or the kid who tries his best and just ain’t got it?
They’re worse than the LAUSD in bottomline results (cherry pick 20 students and rest can barely perform).
At least Oakland is in full rebuild mode like clockwork. Check in 4 yrs from today and they’ll surpass again us just as they did in 2018.
I think the Angels are a lock to finish at least with the 7th worst record in MLB. Better if they can suck one more level down.