The Angels faced the Mariners again, having hope to win two in a row for the first time since May 24. Instead, the Angels were utterly embarrassed.
Lorenzen did not last long. He went only 5 innings, giving up 7 runs on 7 hits. He did have 3 strikeouts but also 3 walks, which cost him big time.
Not that the offense was any help. Or the defense, for that matter. Brandon Marsh made a huge error which cost the team. That didn’t mean much in the long term, as Lorenzen walked too many to really blame Marsh, but it didn’t help.
It took til the 8th for the Angels to have a clean hit and score. It was yet an other game of getting into a hole early and basically giving up.
Highlighted Lowlighted Recap
Lorenzen gave up a run in the first, putting the Angels in a hole early.
Another came in the 2nd, as Seattle hit a home run.
Then a 3rd run was allowed in the 3rd, this was starting to get out of hand.
But then things unraveled fast in the 4th, with Lorenzen walking 3, including one with the bases loaded, to make the deficit 4-0.
It got worse, as 3 more would score, for 4 allowed in the 4th.
Oh, and on top of all of this, the Angels didn’t even have a hit yet. But hey, Justin Upton is back! As a Mariner… and got drilled in the head by Lorenzen… ow.
Warren came in for the 6th and allowed an another run, so it was now 8-0 Mariners.
At least the Angels didn’t get no hit? Stassi hit a ball to the pitcher and it just barely deflected off his glove for a hit. Maybe?
It is a judgement call, and the scoring stayed. Not that it mattered, as Juan Lagares hit a clean triple in the 8th. Then Squid hit a double, driving in the first run for the Angels!
But that was it, the Angels didn’t score anymore and lost 8-1. At least Jack Mayfield pitched…
JHW thank you very much for the thorough recap, it’s easy to be negative and/or just not give a shit. Anyway it’s appreciated
Thanks. These have been difficult to watch
https://twitter.com/CespedesBBQ/status/1538180356326694912?s=20&t=GqhOB5qcPFLHeK0hCR611w
Let’s take 2 today! Halo’s tossing out a couple of lefties; Sandoval and Suarez.
For more baseball, College World Series:
Arkansas vs. No. 2 Stanford, 11 a.m., ESPN
Ole Miss vs. No. 14 Auburn, 4 p.m., ESPN2
The fridge is stocked with Carlsbad PizzaPort Swami IPAs.
Stanley Cup too. ABC 5 pm
I’m pulling for the Avalanche, you?
Maybe Walshie has the COVID?
https://twitter.com/TaylorBlakeWard/status/1537958629919166465
MacKinnion has played 3rd too
not seeing any games at 3rd base for him…..unfortunately.
It’s been 8 years so not the best position to roll him out to. Baseball Reference has him listed; 1B, 3B and OF. Recently, it’s all 1B.
https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1538222589767995397?s=20&t=0ELJ-HGcSHK2Ej00X38Aug
Put him at first base and move Walshie to left.
Hes an ex soccer goalie so I suspect McKinnon can catch a ground ball or thrown ball adequately.
We need above replacement level bats in the lineup.
Maybe he will simply be the RH side of the 1B platoon when facing lefties, nothing more.
yep in High school.
college
he’s in the line up…
https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1538216786574774272?s=20&t=0ELJ-HGcSHK2Ej00X38Aug
The starting point is that Arte cab run this Org any way he desires. He is the owner.
He has clearly decided to run the Org as a marketing machine. The vast majority of decision makers and influencers in the organization are marketing folks not baseball people. That’s Arte’s prerogative.
And for the ordinary fan (not anyone on this board) it’s fine. They get to go to a clean ballpark with decent food items and cheer a bit for Trout and Ohtani and take some video of Ohtani swinging the bat and maybe also pitching. Sometimes they go home with a free bobblehead. Sometimes they get a hotdog, other times a pizza. Maybe they see a HR or two and high-five their buddy. Their life and mood really doesn’t change much one way or the other win or lose.
Most So Cal fans really could give a shit about any of this – they want entertainment and Arte brings it to them. Maybe the next day Disneyland is planned.
So Arte has no motivation to invest in his minor leagues or scouting or strength and conditioning. Those things don’t provide immediate marketing benefits. As hardcore baseball favs we know the benefits of those investments. But Arte is running a marketing organization not a baseball one.
It’s Arte’s prerogative. It’s his team and his money. Ultimately we have to decide as hardcore fans whether we can live and die with a team that focuses primarily on marketing and not baseball operations.
If MLB is serious about the health of every team then they need to come in evaluate what is going on in this org and make a determination to either force Moreno to change his ways or oust him out of MLB.
The baseball is good enough to avoid such scrutiny. And Arte knows he has to put at least a decent product on the field as part of marketing. The problem is that ‘decent’ or ‘average’ is not good for us die-hards. But it’s plenty fine for a marketing-focused Org.
Maybe we should change our metric of fandom if we are going to root for a marketing organization. Maybe we focus and comment on the advertising and promotion rather than the baseball?
MLB has had almost 150 years of winners and losers. Rich franchises and poor franchises, dynasties and disasters and their revenues continue to rise. Why would you change that model?
I would be in favor of the EPL model where the bottom dwellers get relegated to a loser league but we know this would never happen.
Under the current MLB model most losing franchises are going to go under and even some winning franchises will eventually. Unless we are going to have trillion dollar teams eventually. This whole thing has gotten way out of hand. By the time this is all over there maybe about 10 teams left in MLB.
Source? Or is this just your theory?
Go look at the published financial reports for the public holding companies for the Braves and Blue Jays and then tell us how the league would be forced to contract a team any time soon. The Apple TV deal is an example of this. A new found source of revenue that all of the owners can now partake in despite frugal and detrimental team operational decisions. I think they will defend expand the league before they contract.
So Death Cab for Arte?
So what about Corey’s older bro now that RenDone has turned into cardboard?
Hes still a worthless asshat. Find someone else you can shack up with Twofus.
Every day, better teams are trying to slip guys back to the minors whom they have removed from their 40 mans. I track this because I play in deep fantasy leagues. I would hope Minasian takes a look too, because the bottom half of our roster truly is “overexposed.”
So, do you see anyone we should be targeting – anyone better than the AAAA players we have been using?
I don’t have a full time job doing this, but the next time I see something relevant I will post.
Brandon Phillips just signed a minor league contract. I realize he is well past his sell by date, but the current MIs have never been approved by the FDA as actual major league players.
Are we thinking of the same guy? Brandon Philips who last saw an MLB roster with Boston in 2018? Age now 40?
I’d have to see him play, but I’d consider it considering who we’ve got.
Clint Frazier passed through waivers unclaimed and accepted a minor league assignment. Juan Lagares continues to occupy a roster spot. Frazier at one point was a top prospect. Juan Lagares is and continues to be Juan Lagares. Do something Minasian. I’m tired of almost getting no hit every night.
This Clint Frazier?
https://imgur.com/Umk8rrY
We also didn’t get Robbie Ray either (last night’s winning pitcher) but instead opted for Thor. 😣 😥 😠 💩
Do you even look at stats? Thor is outpitching Ray this season.
Who do you want?
Age: 30 W/L: 6-6. ERA: 4.25 ERA+: 87
Age: 29 W/L: 4-5 ERA: 3.53 ERA+: 112
Good the Angels avoided him, I don think they were ever serious. Regardless the outcome of Thor, he is only 1-year.
C. I would want Carlos Rodon.
Yes, a guy who hit 27 HR’s and .308 in 2018 for two minor league teams. He’s never had much MLB playing time, but how can he be worse than Lagares.
2018, in the minors? That is four years ago.
In two years in the majors, he isn’t even much of an upgrade from Lagares (who I agree is done).
I would rather have Adell back up – and let them figure out a sequence where Marsh, Ward and Adell all get enough time.
I’d take Frazier over Lagares. Would not expect much, I know Frazier got derailed but Lagares is done. His best attribute died some time ago.
Matter of fact, I’d promote Monte Harrison from SLC and just release Lagares
I’d promote Dillon Thomas. Oh wait a minute. I guess we can’t do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYoNL4g5Vg
Great idea! Why not.
Anyone who pays MLB anything is a complete idiot. This sport needs to be gone. If anyone hasn’t noticed MLB already has their playoff teams picked out before the season starts.
ANNNNNNNNND HEEEEEERE”S BRADLEE, so today’s firing is? MLB!
Serious question, do most wrist surgeries like the one Rendone is getting take that long to recover?
Is it unfair to question how necessary this surgery is and how long he’s expected to recover?
I guess it’s unfair. But then he’s developing a bit of a rep.
His body is breaking down so the next injury will never be far behind. My nickname for him is Sunk Cost.
My nickname for him is Thief who needs to be thrown in jail for stealing money.
We have to admit that this jerk (Rendon) does not want to play for this team anymore. He was to quick to have season ending surgery. From what I take of it he is saying I don’t want to play for this team anymore. We need to get back to the days of Stoneman when he got players that wanted to play here. Look at Hamilton, Pujols and a host of others who acted the same way as Rendon.
50 games is quick?
If so then see my suggestion above.
Bregman had wrist surgery last year and he’s having a very subpar year, Hope Rendon fares better but given his rash of injuries, who knows
Trade Trout and Ohtani for a shit ton of prospects and start over
You need more than prospects.
Every game has the excitement of the Angels potentially being no-hit. What other team can offer that for the price of admission?
Really glad I walked 10 miles/had some awesome Korean beer/In-N-Out Shake
Shack copy and just enjoy the sounds of the ocean instead of watching this game. I’ve been joking that this team will never win back to back games again/any game outside of Ohtani pitching but I guess that may come true…
Korean BBQ rocks!
Wow, this was a rough game to watch.
With Rendon gone for the season, you have to wonder if he can be relied upon to come back next year and contribute at all.
Someone on the board suggested putting Ward at 3rd and calling up Adell.
Why not? Doesn’t this make more sense than having Captain Jack at 3rd? and Lagares in the outfield?
In my mind, the Halos still have a shot at the postseason. The playoffs are not going to happen if Nevin keeps rolling out the same bullshit lineup as he did today.
There are only two options to improve the lineup:
1) Bring up a prospect from the farm system
2) Bring in new players from outside the organization.
I’d rather the organization (ie., Perry) take a fucking chance and bring up some young blood instead of doing the same shit over the last 20 games expecting a different result.
There are so many holes in the lineup now it feels the team is more Swiss cheese than a playoff contender.
I’m not throwing in the towel yet.
Let’s see if Perry has any balls and if Nevin is worthy of an managerial extension.
Perry, grow a pair. Do something more that just firing Joe….!
Agree with the Walsh to 3B move. I know that Cowboy pointed out in the past that he was bad defensively at that position. Easy answer — work harder on defense. Take more grounders. Work more with the infield coaches. Our offense is too weak to be rolling with Lagares and Mayfield game after game. Bring back Adell and move Ward to 3B. Our lineup will be significantly improved if that is done.
‘Significantly improved’ = AAA to AAAA
Absolutely……
We’ve got to make some changes to shake things up.
Ward to 3rd. Or a guy with a W name not named Wade…. but also not Marsh, who is not Walsh.
I dunno. If there’s a trade out there that doesn’t totally blow I hope we make it, but 3B that will actually get anyone excited are thin on the ground. Why do you think Jake Lamb is still around and Martin Prado played for so long?….
Which was actually one of the many reasons we signed Rendon.
you know if i keep working hard on my left jab
i’ll beat Tyson Fury and Canelo Alvarez any day now. 😆 💪 🤘
I didn’t say he would become Brooks Robinson ! Lol.
Ummmm – who do you suggest from the farm that would be anything more than replacement value. That’s part of the problem. There is nobody. It’s crickets.
If you trade Ohtani, there is likely a SS, outfielder, pitcher and maybe even a 3B man available. But outside that kind of blockbuster- where are the players going to come from?
That is the problem. We don’t really have many AAA prospects that are ready.
I’d try:
Marsh LF
Trout CF
Ohtani DH
Ward 3rd
Walsh 1st
Duffy SS
Adell RF
Stassi C
Stefanic 2nd
Tell me this lineup doesn’t give you a glimmer of hope….
Wards defense at third will be a turd. We need Fletch back and healthy
We now know Mayfield can pitch, so we’ve got that
New closer? 😆
My concern for 2022 is that Nevin made out arguably the worst lineup card of the season.
Sure, he has a questionable roster but he must have felt that Duffy and Lagares were better options for this game than Walsh and Shohei.
It’s funny, I can criticize Nevin while knowing that a large part of the problem has been caused by Perry and then, beyond that, knowing that Perry is constrained by Arte. It’s like the phone call is coming from inside the house.
Anyway, this game was treated as a throwaway. When you’re losing you can’t do that.
Exactly ! Well said Eric. Yes, players do need to be rested from time to time. I get wanting to rest Shohei since he pitched last night and threw alot of pitches, and has been playing pretty much every day. But if you rest him then you have to play Walsh. Both those guys cannot be out the same game. You just can’t put that many auto outs in your lineup.
And you are correct about the losing. If you win the first three of four then you can maybe rest two guys at once — but not right now !
He’s gotta see what he’s got since we went from a Navy SEAL to Forest Gump at certain positions
Let’s hope Perry Minasian can work his “magic” and make a decent player acquisition (which is most likely a pipedream) at the trade deadline should the Angels not completely implode and end up being sellers….
Perry and “magic” don’t belong in the same sentence.
What exactly is a “decent player acquisition”?
A serviceable guy who isn’t a AS or HOFer……..Mark Canha, Avasail Garcia. Frankie Montas. Not Mike Trout, Aaron Judge or Max Scherzer level guys.
Canha 2 years 26.5M
Garcia 4 years 53M
Montas is ‘cheap’ (1 year 5M) but that is because he is still Arb eligible with the A’s.
But sure, we could target them. Would it be worth it?
(Basically, would it stop you complaining?)
This community always had it in for former GM and now Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto who somehow assembled a 98 win team in 2014 with a $2.00 farm system and duct tape that was more dry than our California water supply. THE OLIGARCH ALWAYS LISTENS TO HIS CRONY INNER CIRCLE FIRST!!
I hate Dipoto because he destroyed any future this org had.
How?
Walsh, Ward, Fletcher came from him. he acquired Huston Street from the Padres for a song and dance (had to since we already had MLB’s worst farm system and you know didn’t care about that).
And all of the wonderful pitching he acquired under his watch?
Waiting…..Waiting….. Waiting……
Dipoto will destroy the Mariners the way he destroyed the Angels organization and then walk out on everyone.
SThellUp.
UR done after May 12, You have no BS reason to criticize anyone.
BTW we drafted Mike Trout in 20th rd in 1998 and the GM was Buzzie Bavasi.As reeported by the Riverside Press Enterprise and Tony Hernandez of KABC 7 😆
How many of the worst contracts and trades belong to this organization?
All
Ward to 3b and bring Adell up! And shut up about messing Ward up! He had 1 good month in his entire career and now looks like his normal self. Need to try something, anything. Golly after 1,2,3 our lineup is so so pathetic.
Who cares?
Chap24, Does your name refer to Ray Chapman, who was the only major leaguer killed on the field of play when beaned in the head by a fastball by Carl Mays in 1920?
I like your thinking.
Put Ward at third. If he can catch, play a good outfield. He may be ok at 3rd.
And, yes, Adell, over Lagares, in the outfield.
We just can’t have
Lagares
Renigfo
Squid,
Captain Jack
Wade
in the same lineup.
Trout
Sho
Walsh
Ward
are not enough to carry us home….
Jo Adell needs to be traded to the A’s
along with Griffin Canning, and Matt Thaiss for Frankie Montas and Elvis Andrus
We get to playoff seasoned veterans right now.
At least this is a suggestion.
Does Canning have value (from the IL)?
Does it make sense to try to ship out Adell now, with his value low?
Do you think the As send Montas for these guys? Or is the plan to have to eat Andrus’s 15M contract (next year) while even a resurgent bat for him this year (after two years of just awful) is still below league average (90 OPS+)?
We don’t have very many good options, all we have is bad or worse.
Andrus contract runs out this year so this wouldn’t handicap us.
I previously suggested we get Kyle Seager out of retirement now that Rendon’s done, but if he would cost us dearly in draft compensation then no then. Syndergaard’s gonna cost us a 2nd round pick next year……Thanks Arturo for your expertise 😢 💩
As you say, Andrus is god awful, no way. Also, I actually think we are ok at SP, position players are in much more of need.
Yeah a gawd awful NO WAY IS 7 STRAIGHT LOSING SEASONS ( MLB’S CURRENT WORST STREAK BTW!) either do sumthin or do nuthin. Actually we aren’t OK at SP (what if Ohtani leaves? Do you think Thor’s coming back as if THE OLIGARCH wants to pay any SP more than $15M a yr for more than 1 yr) Un f**king believable about your take. BTW more Thor bad news (his signing cost us a 2nd round pick next yr…….Congrats!!)