Angels get blown out by the Mariners

The Angels faced the Mariners again, having hope to win two in a row for the first time since May 24. Instead, the Angels were utterly embarrassed.

Lorenzen did not last long. He went only 5 innings, giving up 7 runs on 7 hits. He did have 3 strikeouts but also 3 walks, which cost him big time.

Not that the offense was any help. Or the defense, for that matter. Brandon Marsh made a huge error which cost the team. That didn’t mean much in the long term, as Lorenzen walked too many to really blame Marsh, but it didn’t help.

It took til the 8th for the Angels to have a clean hit and score. It was yet an other game of getting into a hole early and basically giving up.

Highlighted Lowlighted Recap

Lorenzen gave up a run in the first, putting the Angels in a hole early.

1-0 Mariners

Another came in the 2nd, as Seattle hit a home run.

2-0 Mariners

Then a 3rd run was allowed in the 3rd, this was starting to get out of hand.

Not good.

But then things unraveled fast in the 4th, with Lorenzen walking 3, including one with the bases loaded, to make the deficit 4-0.

Oh come on!

It got worse, as 3 more would score, for 4 allowed in the 4th.

7-0 Mariners

Oh, and on top of all of this, the Angels didn’t even have a hit yet. But hey, Justin Upton is back! As a Mariner… and got drilled in the head by Lorenzen… ow.

Dude, uncool

Warren came in for the 6th and allowed an another run, so it was now 8-0 Mariners.

And it keeps getting worse

At least the Angels didn’t get no hit? Stassi hit a ball to the pitcher and it just barely deflected off his glove for a hit. Maybe?

Ruled as a hit, yay!

It is a judgement call, and the scoring stayed. Not that it mattered, as Juan Lagares hit a clean triple in the 8th. Then Squid hit a double, driving in the first run for the Angels!

NOT SHUT OUT!

But that was it, the Angels didn’t score anymore and lost 8-1. At least Jack Mayfield pitched…

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Angels2020Champs
Super Member
18 days ago

JHW thank you very much for the thorough recap, it’s easy to be negative and/or just not give a shit. Anyway it’s appreciated

FungoAle
Super Member
18 days ago

Let’s take 2 today! Halo’s tossing out a couple of lefties; Sandoval and Suarez.

For more baseball, College World Series:

Arkansas vs. No. 2 Stanford, 11 a.m., ESPN
Ole Miss vs. No. 14 Auburn, 4 p.m., ESPN2

The fridge is stocked with Carlsbad PizzaPort Swami IPAs.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Stanley Cup too. ABC 5 pm

FungoAle
Super Member
18 days ago

I’m pulling for the Avalanche, you?

Cowboy26
Legend
FungoAle
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

MacKinnion has played 3rd too

Twebur
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

not seeing any games at 3rd base for him…..unfortunately.

FungoAle
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

It’s been 8 years so not the best position to roll him out to. Baseball Reference has him listed; 1B, 3B and OF. Recently, it’s all 1B.

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Put him at first base and move Walshie to left.

Hes an ex soccer goalie so I suspect McKinnon can catch a ground ball or thrown ball adequately.

We need above replacement level bats in the lineup.

FungoAle
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Maybe he will simply be the RH side of the 1B platoon when facing lefties, nothing more.

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

yep in High school.

FungoAle
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

college

Fansince1971
Legend
18 days ago

The starting point is that Arte cab run this Org any way he desires. He is the owner.

He has clearly decided to run the Org as a marketing machine. The vast majority of decision makers and influencers in the organization are marketing folks not baseball people. That’s Arte’s prerogative.

And for the ordinary fan (not anyone on this board) it’s fine. They get to go to a clean ballpark with decent food items and cheer a bit for Trout and Ohtani and take some video of Ohtani swinging the bat and maybe also pitching. Sometimes they go home with a free bobblehead. Sometimes they get a hotdog, other times a pizza. Maybe they see a HR or two and high-five their buddy. Their life and mood really doesn’t change much one way or the other win or lose.

Most So Cal fans really could give a shit about any of this – they want entertainment and Arte brings it to them. Maybe the next day Disneyland is planned.

So Arte has no motivation to invest in his minor leagues or scouting or strength and conditioning. Those things don’t provide immediate marketing benefits. As hardcore baseball favs we know the benefits of those investments. But Arte is running a marketing organization not a baseball one.

It’s Arte’s prerogative. It’s his team and his money. Ultimately we have to decide as hardcore fans whether we can live and die with a team that focuses primarily on marketing and not baseball operations.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

If MLB is serious about the health of every team then they need to come in evaluate what is going on in this org and make a determination to either force Moreno to change his ways or oust him out of MLB.

Fansince1971
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  bradllee424

The baseball is good enough to avoid such scrutiny. And Arte knows he has to put at least a decent product on the field as part of marketing. The problem is that ‘decent’ or ‘average’ is not good for us die-hards. But it’s plenty fine for a marketing-focused Org.

Maybe we should change our metric of fandom if we are going to root for a marketing organization. Maybe we focus and comment on the advertising and promotion rather than the baseball?

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  bradllee424

MLB has had almost 150 years of winners and losers. Rich franchises and poor franchises, dynasties and disasters and their revenues continue to rise. Why would you change that model?

I would be in favor of the EPL model where the bottom dwellers get relegated to a loser league but we know this would never happen.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Under the current MLB model most losing franchises are going to go under and even some winning franchises will eventually. Unless we are going to have trillion dollar teams eventually. This whole thing has gotten way out of hand. By the time this is all over there maybe about 10 teams left in MLB.

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Source? Or is this just your theory?

Go look at the published financial reports for the public holding companies for the Braves and Blue Jays and then tell us how the league would be forced to contract a team any time soon. The Apple TV deal is an example of this. A new found source of revenue that all of the owners can now partake in despite frugal and detrimental team operational decisions. I think they will defend expand the league before they contract.

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

So Death Cab for Arte?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago

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So what about Corey’s older bro now that RenDone has turned into cardboard?

Last edited 18 days ago by 2002heaven
Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Hes still a worthless asshat. Find someone else you can shack up with Twofus.

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago

Every day, better teams are trying to slip guys back to the minors whom they have removed from their 40 mans. I track this because I play in deep fantasy leagues. I would hope Minasian takes a look too, because the bottom half of our roster truly is “overexposed.”

matthiasstephan
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

So, do you see anyone we should be targeting – anyone better than the AAAA players we have been using?

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago

I don’t have a full time job doing this, but the next time I see something relevant I will post.

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago

Brandon Phillips just signed a minor league contract. I realize he is well past his sell by date, but the current MIs have never been approved by the FDA as actual major league players.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Are we thinking of the same guy? Brandon Philips who last saw an MLB roster with Boston in 2018? Age now 40?

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago

I’d have to see him play, but I’d consider it considering who we’ve got.

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago

Clint Frazier passed through waivers unclaimed and accepted a minor league assignment. Juan Lagares continues to occupy a roster spot. Frazier at one point was a top prospect. Juan Lagares is and continues to be Juan Lagares. Do something Minasian. I’m tired of almost getting no hit every night.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer
Last edited 18 days ago by matthiasstephan
2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago

We also didn’t get Robbie Ray either (last night’s winning pitcher) but instead opted for Thor. 😣  😥  😠  💩 

matthiasstephan
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Do you even look at stats? Thor is outpitching Ray this season.

Who do you want?

Age: 30 W/L: 6-6. ERA: 4.25 ERA+: 87
Age: 29 W/L: 4-5 ERA: 3.53 ERA+: 112

FungoAle
Super Member
18 days ago

Good the Angels avoided him, I don think they were ever serious. Regardless the outcome of Thor, he is only 1-year.

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago

C. I would want Carlos Rodon.

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago

Yes, a guy who hit 27 HR’s and .308 in 2018 for two minor league teams. He’s never had much MLB playing time, but how can he be worse than Lagares.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

2018, in the minors? That is four years ago.

In two years in the majors, he isn’t even much of an upgrade from Lagares (who I agree is done).

I would rather have Adell back up – and let them figure out a sequence where Marsh, Ward and Adell all get enough time.

FungoAle
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I’d take Frazier over Lagares. Would not expect much, I know Frazier got derailed but Lagares is done. His best attribute died some time ago.

FungoAle
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Matter of fact, I’d promote Monte Harrison from SLC and just release Lagares

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I’d promote Dillon Thomas. Oh wait a minute. I guess we can’t do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYoNL4g5Vg

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Great idea! Why not.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Anyone who pays MLB anything is a complete idiot. This sport needs to be gone. If anyone hasn’t noticed MLB already has their playoff teams picked out before the season starts.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  bradllee424

ANNNNNNNNND HEEEEEERE”S BRADLEE, so today’s firing is? MLB!

UtahAlumnus
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Serious question, do most wrist surgeries like the one Rendone is getting take that long to recover?

Is it unfair to question how necessary this surgery is and how long he’s expected to recover?

I guess it’s unfair. But then he’s developing a bit of a rep.

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  UtahAlumnus

His body is breaking down so the next injury will never be far behind. My nickname for him is Sunk Cost.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

My nickname for him is Thief who needs to be thrown in jail for stealing money.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  UtahAlumnus

We have to admit that this jerk (Rendon) does not want to play for this team anymore. He was to quick to have season ending surgery. From what I take of it he is saying I don’t want to play for this team anymore. We need to get back to the days of Stoneman when he got players that wanted to play here. Look at Hamilton, Pujols and a host of others who acted the same way as Rendon.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  bradllee424

50 games is quick?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  UtahAlumnus

If so then see my suggestion above.

Fumid346
Newbie
18 days ago
Reply to  UtahAlumnus

Bregman had wrist surgery last year and he’s having a very subpar year, Hope Rendon fares better but given his rash of injuries, who knows

Halo71
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Trade Trout and Ohtani for a shit ton of prospects and start over

bradllee424
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Halo71

You need more than prospects.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

Every game has the excitement of the Angels potentially being no-hit. What other team can offer that for the price of admission?

Brent
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Really glad I walked 10 miles/had some awesome Korean beer/In-N-Out Shake
Shack copy and just enjoy the sounds of the ocean instead of watching this game. I’ve been joking that this team will never win back to back games again/any game outside of Ohtani pitching but I guess that may come true…

Last edited 18 days ago by Brent
2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Brent

Korean BBQ rocks!

rosstrade
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Wow, this was a rough game to watch.

With Rendon gone for the season, you have to wonder if he can be relied upon to come back next year and contribute at all.

Someone on the board suggested putting Ward at 3rd and calling up Adell.

Why not? Doesn’t this make more sense than having Captain Jack at 3rd? and Lagares in the outfield?

In my mind, the Halos still have a shot at the postseason. The playoffs are not going to happen if Nevin keeps rolling out the same bullshit lineup as he did today.

There are only two options to improve the lineup:

1) Bring up a prospect from the farm system
2) Bring in new players from outside the organization.

I’d rather the organization (ie., Perry) take a fucking chance and bring up some young blood instead of doing the same shit over the last 20 games expecting a different result.

There are so many holes in the lineup now it feels the team is more Swiss cheese than a playoff contender.

I’m not throwing in the towel yet.

Let’s see if Perry has any balls and if Nevin is worthy of an managerial extension.

Perry, grow a pair. Do something more that just firing Joe….!

JackFrost
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Agree with the Walsh to 3B move. I know that Cowboy pointed out in the past that he was bad defensively at that position. Easy answer — work harder on defense. Take more grounders. Work more with the infield coaches. Our offense is too weak to be rolling with Lagares and Mayfield game after game. Bring back Adell and move Ward to 3B. Our lineup will be significantly improved if that is done.

Fansince1971
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

‘Significantly improved’ = AAA to AAAA

rosstrade
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Absolutely……

We’ve got to make some changes to shake things up.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  JackFrost

Ward to 3rd. Or a guy with a W name not named Wade…. but also not Marsh, who is not Walsh.

I dunno. If there’s a trade out there that doesn’t totally blow I hope we make it, but 3B that will actually get anyone excited are thin on the ground. Why do you think Jake Lamb is still around and Martin Prado played for so long?….

Which was actually one of the many reasons we signed Rendon.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

you know if i keep working hard on my left jab
i’ll beat Tyson Fury and Canelo Alvarez any day now. 😆  💪  🤘 

JackFrost
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I didn’t say he would become Brooks Robinson ! Lol.

Fansince1971
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Ummmm – who do you suggest from the farm that would be anything more than replacement value. That’s part of the problem. There is nobody. It’s crickets.

If you trade Ohtani, there is likely a SS, outfielder, pitcher and maybe even a 3B man available. But outside that kind of blockbuster- where are the players going to come from?

Last edited 18 days ago by Fansince1971
rosstrade
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That is the problem. We don’t really have many AAA prospects that are ready.

I’d try:

Marsh LF
Trout CF
Ohtani DH
Ward 3rd
Walsh 1st
Duffy SS
Adell RF
Stassi C
Stefanic 2nd

Tell me this lineup doesn’t give you a glimmer of hope….

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Wards defense at third will be a turd. We need Fletch back and healthy

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Fansince1971

We now know Mayfield can pitch, so we’ve got that

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago

New closer? 😆 

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
18 days ago

My concern for 2022 is that Nevin made out arguably the worst lineup card of the season.

Sure, he has a questionable roster but he must have felt that Duffy and Lagares were better options for this game than Walsh and Shohei.

It’s funny, I can criticize Nevin while knowing that a large part of the problem has been caused by Perry and then, beyond that, knowing that Perry is constrained by Arte. It’s like the phone call is coming from inside the house.

Anyway, this game was treated as a throwaway. When you’re losing you can’t do that.

Last edited 18 days ago by Eric_in_Portland
JackFrost
Super Member
18 days ago

Exactly ! Well said Eric. Yes, players do need to be rested from time to time. I get wanting to rest Shohei since he pitched last night and threw alot of pitches, and has been playing pretty much every day. But if you rest him then you have to play Walsh. Both those guys cannot be out the same game. You just can’t put that many auto outs in your lineup.

And you are correct about the losing. If you win the first three of four then you can maybe rest two guys at once — but not right now !

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago

He’s gotta see what he’s got since we went from a Navy SEAL to Forest Gump at certain positions

cuda440
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Newbie
18 days ago

Let’s hope Perry Minasian can work his “magic” and make a decent player acquisition (which is most likely a pipedream) at the trade deadline should the Angels not completely implode and end up being sellers….

rosstrade
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to 

Perry and “magic” don’t belong in the same sentence.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to 

What exactly is a “decent player acquisition”?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago

A serviceable guy who isn’t a AS or HOFer……..Mark Canha, Avasail Garcia. Frankie Montas. Not Mike Trout, Aaron Judge or Max Scherzer level guys.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Canha 2 years 26.5M
Garcia 4 years 53M
Montas is ‘cheap’ (1 year 5M) but that is because he is still Arb eligible with the A’s.

But sure, we could target them. Would it be worth it?

(Basically, would it stop you complaining?)

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to 

This community always had it in for former GM and now Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto who somehow assembled a 98 win team in 2014 with a $2.00 farm system and duct tape that was more dry than our California water supply. THE OLIGARCH ALWAYS LISTENS TO HIS CRONY INNER CIRCLE FIRST!!

bradllee424
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I hate Dipoto because he destroyed any future this org had.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  bradllee424

How?
Walsh, Ward, Fletcher came from him. he acquired Huston Street from the Padres for a song and dance (had to since we already had MLB’s worst farm system and you know didn’t care about that).

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

And all of the wonderful pitching he acquired under his watch?

Waiting…..Waiting….. Waiting……

Dipoto will destroy the Mariners the way he destroyed the Angels organization and then walk out on everyone.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

SThellUp.
UR done after May 12, You have no BS reason to criticize anyone.
BTW we drafted Mike Trout in 20th rd in 1998 and the GM was Buzzie Bavasi.As reeported by the Riverside Press Enterprise and Tony Hernandez of KABC 7 😆 

Last edited 17 days ago by 2002heaven
Fansince1971
Legend
18 days ago

How many of the worst contracts and trades belong to this organization?

DowningDude
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

All

Fansince1971
Legend
18 days ago

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Chap24
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Ward to 3b and bring Adell up! And shut up about messing Ward up! He had 1 good month in his entire career and now looks like his normal self. Need to try something, anything. Golly after 1,2,3 our lineup is so so pathetic.

Fansince1971
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  Chap24

Who cares?

rosstrade
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Chap24

Chap24, Does your name refer to Ray Chapman, who was the only major leaguer killed on the field of play when beaned in the head by a fastball by Carl Mays in 1920?

I like your thinking.

Put Ward at third. If he can catch, play a good outfield. He may be ok at 3rd.

And, yes, Adell, over Lagares, in the outfield.

We just can’t have

Lagares
Renigfo
Squid,
Captain Jack
Wade

in the same lineup.

Trout
Sho
Walsh
Ward

are not enough to carry us home….

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Chap24

Jo Adell needs to be traded to the A’s
along with Griffin Canning, and Matt Thaiss for Frankie Montas and Elvis Andrus
We get to playoff seasoned veterans right now.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

At least this is a suggestion.

Does Canning have value (from the IL)?

Does it make sense to try to ship out Adell now, with his value low?

Do you think the As send Montas for these guys? Or is the plan to have to eat Andrus’s 15M contract (next year) while even a resurgent bat for him this year (after two years of just awful) is still below league average (90 OPS+)?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
18 days ago

We don’t have very many good options, all we have is bad or worse.
Andrus contract runs out this year so this wouldn’t handicap us.
I previously suggested we get Kyle Seager out of retirement now that Rendon’s done, but if he would cost us dearly in draft compensation then no then. Syndergaard’s gonna cost us a 2nd round pick next year……Thanks Arturo for your expertise 😢  💩 

Last edited 18 days ago by 2002heaven
FungoAle
Super Member
18 days ago

As you say, Andrus is god awful, no way. Also, I actually think we are ok at SP, position players are in much more of need.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yeah a gawd awful NO WAY IS 7 STRAIGHT LOSING SEASONS ( MLB’S CURRENT WORST STREAK BTW!) either do sumthin or do nuthin. Actually we aren’t OK at SP (what if Ohtani leaves? Do you think Thor’s coming back as if THE OLIGARCH wants to pay any SP more than $15M a yr for more than 1 yr) Un f**king believable about your take. BTW more Thor bad news (his signing cost us a 2nd round pick next yr…….Congrats!!)

Last edited 17 days ago by 2002heaven
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