Efficient Shohei and Electric Iglesias Secure Angels 3-2 Win

It was dual wield Ohtani day again. While not as dominant as in starts past, he was not nearly as gassed either, instead throwing far fewer pitches per inning. He lasted 6 innings as a pitcher giving up 2 runs on 4 hits while striking out 10 and 0 walks on only 76 pitches. It was the first time in his MLB career that he walked no batters. Despite looking like he could pitch more, Maddon pulled him after 6 innings to much confusion.

This move was further questioned as Mayers fell apart in the 8th inning and getting another 3 outs or more from Ohtani could have helped a ton. It did set the stage for closer Iglesias to put on an epic performance, however, as it seems like he can only pitch well when under immense pressure.

Recap

Efficient Ohtani

Things started off on the wrong foot with a leadoff home run to the Mariner’s leadoff hitter. It was the only hit for the inning but starting in a 1-0 hole was not good. This especially hurt as the Angels could not respond, with Ohtani himself hitting into a double play.

Ohtani didn’t allow a run in the second, keeping the pitch count down as well. In the bottom half, the offense failed again with another GIDP to boot.

In the 3rd, a double, bunt, and sac fly gave the Mariners their 2nd run. 2-0 Mariners. But Fletcher got on and Upton hit a home run to tie the game! It was enough to knock out the starting pitcher. Shohei walked and Rendon hit into a GIDP to end the inning.

Hoooot Poooocket…

4th inning came and despite giving up a double, Ohtani kept the score at 2-2. In the home half, an old friend, Hector Santiago pitched for the Mariners. Rojas greeted him with a 2 out solo shot! 3-2 Angels!

Soak it all in

For the 5th, Ohtani only allowed a 2 out single against the Mariners. The Angels only managed to get a 2 out walk in the bottom half of the inning. Still 3-2 Angels.

Shohei Ohtani pitched a 1-2-3 6th inning and efficiently as well, under 80 pitches through 6. The offense didn’t manage to add on at all and it was still 3-2 Angels after 6.

9 outs for the Bullpen

Watson came in for the 7th inning despite the efficiency of Ohtani. He did his job, shutting down the Mariners and preserving the lead. Lagares bunted for a hit, made it to 2nd on an error and to 3rd on a bunt by Wong. With 1 out and the runner at 3rd, Fletcher struck out on a called check swing, and Lagares was thrown out at home on a wild pitch. Still 3-2 Angels after 7.

Mayers had the 8th and immediately gave up a leadoff double. Then he misplayed a bunt. A 4 pitch walk was the last straw and Mayers was pulled for Closer Iglesias to get the 6 out save with the bases loaded in the 8th. He got the first out on a pop up, the sedond one on a strikeout, and the third on a strikeout! Marines leave them loaded, still 3-2 Angels!

WOW!

Looking to add on, Ward singled, but was stranded there. Still 3-2 Angels headed into the bottom of the 9th.

He came out for the 9th and made it look easy, a 1-2-3 inning. Save 116 was a tough one, a 6 out save, but he did it, securing the Angels win.

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The Angels are now 26-31 on the season and face the Mariners again tomorrow. Drink responsibly.

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Cowboy26
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Twebur
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Free Joe Adell!

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Actually he would still be league minimum

eyespy
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

So, like Albert?

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Yes and less than half the age as well.

Twebur
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

He’s half the ‘mang he used to be, half the ‘mang he used to be…- Nirvana

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

2-2 with a single now, he’ll get some burn before Trouty comes back. If he hits,and defense is serviceable, he’ll move to right.

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  Mia

At what point are the AAA pitchers going to stop pitching to hi thereby forcing the Angels hands to promote him?

2002heaven
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13 days ago

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Meet the 2021 Doyer’s new SS…….Yes Arte you can sign Kyle Seager’s little Bro till he’s 65, besides he’s not a starting pitcher LOL!!!! 😆 

Last edited 13 days ago by 2002heaven
Twebur
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13 days ago
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eyespy
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12 days ago
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Cowboy26
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13 days ago

I guess this means that Philly G & Kean Wong are the backup outfielders now. Are the Angels getting ready to make another move?

https://twitter.com/LAAngelsPR/status/1401299519086555137

Last edited 13 days ago by Cowboy26
H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Someone pointed out that Adell played center yesterday…leash has to be running short for the Lagares/Wong/Ward crew…

Also, Upton is once again an above-average hitter! Go J-Up!

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Is J Up going to be the new Angels Brian Downing type leadoff hitter?

Based upon my unofficial calculations the Angels are 6-3 in games that he has batted lead off this year

H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Meh

Selection bias, but I guess we don’t have a better option at the moment. I’m fine with it now, I think

eyespy
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

What are his stats in the first inning during this run to the Hall?

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So let it be written, so let it be done

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

That seems pretty good.

2002heaven
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11 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’m not buyin anyuvit
J-Up has always been streaky and besides we suck so what high intensity situations are there for him to have to come through for us? I trust my eyes not a bunch of numbers on a print out. That’s why my comments and projections are gold and platinum and everybody else’s are full of tears.

JackFrost
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Upton’s OPS of .751 puts him in the high end of “Average” and he’s approaching or very near to “Above Average.”

I think it could be time for us to have a collective discussion about J-Up. The narrative about him the last couple of years has been that he is “trash” and he’s dragging us down in LF.

Since HR’s and slugging are highly valued in MLB today, I think it is fair to ask, what is an acceptable AVG for him if he is getting a good amount of walks and hitting the ball out of the ballpark?

I mean, it is not a stretch to say he could hit 30-35 HR’s this season. Even if he slows down in the second half his current pace would certainly make 30 an attainable number. If he gets say 31 or 32 he will have surpassed his previous high as an Angel which was 30 in 2018.

So, will people here be happy if he hits say, .218 with 30 HR? Let’s say he finishes with an OPS of .750. He won’t fully be earning his contract, but he certainly would not be dragging us down either…

H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

My gripe with him is that there are a lot of empty numbers there. Simply do not feel he will come through in a clutch situation with a power reliever out there or something. Let me check WPA…

Yup, -0.21. So even if he’s an “above-average” hitter, he’s hurting the team on offense more so than helping it.

For context, Pujols was at -0.15 (obviously Upton would have a bigger sample, so Pujols probably still worse on rate) and the Angels only have 4 positive players (Ohtani, Walsh, Iglesias, Trout)

JackFrost
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

He also hurts us defensively, so there’s that.

I will say though that most of his HR’s have positively impacted the game; i.e. he isn’t hitting meaningless solo HR’s in the bottom of the 8th or 9th when we are down by 6 or 7 runs.

Yesterday was a good example. Obviously, we don’t win that game without his 2R bomb.

Angels2020Champs
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I love Upton’s 10 HRs at home!

Sometimes we dig too far. Just enjoy the simple things. Plus we don’t have Albert anymore.

H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago

I simply cannot watch sports anymore without digging =)

Last edited 13 days ago by H.T. Ennis
Angels2020Champs
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Honestly I’m glad there are those diggers. I love analysis, statistics and some of the newer stuff I don’t even know what it stands for.

H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago

Never hesitate to ask!

I don’t know that much at all, actually.

Last edited 13 days ago by H.T. Ennis
Angels2020Champs
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I loved baseball cards as a kid and the stats that were on the back. That was a simpler time and I think RBIs were still a big deal.

I get the concept of WAR, but what are the basics for some of the other WARs with a little letter before? Basically any new metric beyond WAR, splits, and such I need a little help with.

H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago

Two main places that calculate WAR, each in their own different way: Fangraphs and Baseball-Reference

So these are two separate totally different stats.

fWAR = WAR that comes from Fangraphs
rWAR/bWAR = WAR that comes from Baseball-Reference

Alternatively, people may split it up into:
oWAR = offensive WAR (just offensive value), from either source
dWAR = defensive WAR (just defensive value), from either source

Angels2020Champs
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

So you just pick and choose what you like to defend a point… like all statistics 😉

Thanks for that.

eyespy
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12 days ago
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Then there is the one that has too many letters in front of it’s from WOPR

Angels2020Champs
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I think you just buttercup’d me, nice.

I had to do my own digging:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

eyespy
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13 days ago

For the kids

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Angels2020Champs
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13 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Kids love fireworks and I love recording their reactions

eyespy
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12 days ago

you need to go to Japan in the Summertime

FungoAle
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13 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Take advantage of any small hot streak, pitch in some cash and trade him.

WallyChuckChili
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

And RoHas go ahead HR won us yesterday’s game

Cowboy26
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13 days ago

He’s lucky he has options or the Angels might have DFA’d him today.

Twebur
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

A month overdue. Definitely in need of more work. Play every day and play him everywhere. Gut feeling he can be good one day.

H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago
bradllee424
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

That will add another hour to the game. Just great.

Twebur
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13 days ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Cavity searches shouldn’t take that long…

eyespy
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

It made SI by comparing it to, still not screened properly, st-st-st-steroids.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2021/06/04/sticky-stuff-is-the-new-steroids-daily-cover

Mia
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Mia
13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I’m not quite sure where I fall on the issue of guys using stuff for more grip, but I will enjoy watching the drama this brings and maybe it shakes the sport up a bit.

*grabs popcorn*

2002heaven
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

For everybody else besides the Angels
Foreign substances wouldn’t help them anyway….

WallyChuckChili
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Bauer back to a regular pitcher.

Eat that contract dogers!

SScott
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13 days ago

Wish I didn’t have to miss the game. The box score looks meh, but it sounds like it was a really fun one to watch.

2002heaven
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13 days ago

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Trade Raisel or else! 😥 

Last edited 13 days ago by 2002heaven
eyespy
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13 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Really? Huston was a wreck when he showed up. You truly do enjoy this team sucking

2002heaven
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13 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Or else he’ll be just like Huston Street in 2015.
The era of winning with just a bullpen is over. I thought C-Rod was legit, now he isn’t? We still have a triple A sans David Fletcher and Jered Walsh ( he’s cooled off a bit from last month BTW ) Mike Trout’s hurt, Justin Upton is still a $21M albatross and Anthony Rendon is hitting like a Angel’s 2019 3B. We still have the worst farm system in MLB too BTW ( these guys couldn’t find sand in the desert because they suck…..but maybe theyre loyal to YKW! ).
Question for CTPG…….Why do we still have Matt Swanson as our scouting director?

eyespy
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13 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

But we just don’t have any pitcher(s) to build from. Hit or miss, this is at least one thing we have and should need to worry about for a few seasons. But honestly, I don’t see Arte having a meeting with Iglesias to extend his contract being a pitcher and in the bullpen.

Matt Swanson just has to equal cheap and runs things cheap. It’s not like he is doing anything, or has anyone to tell what to do.

2002heaven
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12 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

We went from one bad scouting director to another 😫  💩  😥  👎 
Like a 1990’s LA Clipper’s coaching merry-go-round……nuttin evr chainges just the names and faces. But hey! At least he duzn’t cheet like a Astro’s executive would!!
Angel’s have the current longest streak of losing seasons going in the AL Western Division.

Last edited 12 days ago by 2002heaven
eyespy
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12 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

There is no scouting department, just a name on a door.

Arte prefers that the Angels don’t win too much, just that they stay competitive.

And thanks for that fact. The org kept that fact from me. Boy do we suck.

GrandpaBaseball
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13 days ago
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We finally get a closer that can do the job and you want to trade him? Why? It is very painful to to watch a Bull Pen give a game away. I prefer the excitement of last night compared to watching a Mayers give a game away.

Last edited 13 days ago by GrandpaBaseball
Cowboy26
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13 days ago

We need to hurry up and trade Raisel before he breaks all of our hearts.

#TrAdition

2002heaven
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13 days ago

Billy Eppler found Mike Mayers at a Dollar Tree in Palmdale.

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
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Is that same Dollar Tree that Bill Stoneman found Brendan Donnelly at?

eyespy
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Just the glasses, Billy added some water and vioala.

2002heaven
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11 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

He also inherited two legit guys ( Troy Perival and K-Rod ).
 💪  💪  👈  👍 

Fansince1971
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13 days ago

I would give a better adjective than ‘efficient’ to Shohei’s pitching performance. 10 Ks and 0 walks, a nasty splitter and hitting 98 with good control qualities for ‘terrific’ in my opinion.

Last edited 13 days ago by Fansince1971
H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago
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If I had to choose 1 word and 1 word only, it would be efficient. It implies both economical and dominant. More positive adjectives don’t capture the qualifier that was Maddon pulling him after 76 pitches and 6 pitches. “Efficient” is perfect, plus you get the double “e”

JackFrost
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Tend to agree. Though he was quite good to me “terrific” is reserved for six or more shutout innings or at most giving up one run.

His stuff was certainly very good but I think we can still see better from Shohei.

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

IMHO, This game would be closer to the classification of “terrific”.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ANA/ANA201804080.shtml

Last edited 13 days ago by Cowboy26
JackFrost
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Indeed.

I was at that game. Shohei was not only terrific, he was truly dominant as he did not give up a hit until the 7th inning I think.

It was also his first start in an Angels uniform.

GrandpaBaseball
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Picky today aren’t we…….lol

H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago

I’m not the picky one in this exchange! =)

Fansince1971
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

‘Excellent’ would have worked. There is a prosaic quality to the word ‘efficient’ that doesn’t describe the pitcher I was watching.

I disagree that efficiency is equivalent to dominance. In fact JHW wrote that Ohtani was ‘not as dominant’ as in prior starts.

Excellent Ohtani and Electric Iglesias would have communicated what I saw better.

eyespy
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13 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Monty???

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Full??

eyespy
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Burns

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

TY Smithers

H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Sure, that was a slight misspeak. Not dominant. Excellent is good as well, but it doesn’t capture the overall performance as well as efficient, in my opinion.

Love debating semantics though!

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

But You certainly don’t want to be Anti-semantic.

Last edited 13 days ago by Cowboy26
WallyChuckChili
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

You guys sound like you’re trying to name Zuckerman’s Famous Pig.

H.T. Ennis
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13 days ago

LOL. those are some good elementary school memories

Fansince1971
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13 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Yes it’s fun!

steelgolf
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14 days ago

I especially like when Ohtani plays well and contributes to a win over The Mariners.

eyespy
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13 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

They are a baseball team in the MLB filled with professional ballplayers. It’s was a legitimate outing. You beat the teams you are supposed to beat. Now on to the next game.

AnAngelsFan
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14 days ago

I’m glad they won, but they had to fight way too hard to win a game against a pitcher with a 6+ ERA.

JackFrost
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14 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

The harder the struggle the sweeter the victory.

Cowboy26
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13 days ago
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This goes hand in hand with another important axiom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qDgCmzh5ao

JackFrost
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

😂

I love “Spinal Tap.”

One of my favorite movies ever. The music is brilliant.

Fansince1971
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14 days ago

That right there is why you have a real closer.

Fansince1971
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14 days ago

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Raisel Robot

Designerguy
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14 days ago

Celebrate the win

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Commander_Nate
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14 days ago

Amazing performances by Shohei and RIggy.

Shohei better have said something though to get pulled. This treating him like a fringe fifth starter business isn’t gonna get us anywhere good if it goes on much longer.

Last edited 14 days ago by Commander_Nate
Cowboy26
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14 days ago
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eyespy
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13 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Lil’spy was right, and called it this way

H.T. Ennis
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14 days ago

By far the best win of the year this season.

Maddon says he noticed Shohei was fatigued. I guess I trust his judgment, so truly no bad decisions were made in this decision, haha (first C-Rod game off the IL, understandable if they wanted to protect him, even if I disagree).

Cowboy26
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14 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I think I was more fatigued watching Soggy Joe make another trip to the mound.

Eric_in_Portland
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14 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

after the fact I was thinking about his previous outing when he tired in the 7th. He ended up throwing 93 pitches. I can see Joe not wanting to repeat that, to end Shohei’s night on a positive. 10 Ks, zero!!! walks!!!

Thanks to Raisel it worked out fine.

JackFrost
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14 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

This win and the 2-1 win over the Dodgers on Mother’s Day were pretty darned good. I would also add that 4-2 win in Houston to avoid the sweep.

Eric_in_Portland
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14 days ago

don’t I feel silly!?! I turned everything off when the Mariners loaded the bases. Duracell hadn’t come in yet. I sadly chuckled to myself “if it was us, we wouldn’t get any runs”. I also thought “how could we do this? It’s the Mariners, for godssake!”

And now I’ve checked in to see how badly we lost and what? what is this?? Duracell to the rescue! Ohtani gets the W! We had a hit after the 4th inning!

By the way, at this point last year we were also 26-31 and thinking if we could sweep Houston we’d “win” the division”. That didn’t go well. Still, I guess with Trout being out and our pitching staff, with exceptions, being so bad it’s nice to know we’re not *worse* than last year.

JackFrost
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14 days ago

Great win!!!

This was a VERY important game and win. A loss here would have been devastating.

All praise goes to Raisel. He showed how good he really is.

Cowboy26
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14 days ago
Cowboy26
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FungoAle
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14 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Why don’t we bring this announcer up and send Sutton to SLC. Much easier to listen to even though the voice is monotone.

eyespy
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14 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

He actually says what direction the ball is going on the field

Jessica DeLine
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14 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Sutton is so terrible

JackFrost
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14 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

It came on a 1-2 pitch as well !!

Eric_in_Portland
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14 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

someone must have had a talk with him. Or maybe he watched a replay and thought “nah, that’s too silly”

Jessica DeLine
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14 days ago

Tatis does something similar but he’s earned it. If Adell comes up doing that it probably won’t go over well.

FungoAle
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14 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah, I mentioned that a couple of nights ago by looking at his video. Wondering if a veteran took him aside and told him to knock that crap off.

Jim Atkins
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14 days ago

I wasn’t going to get involved with this game, but I turned it on just before Rojas popped one. Holy crap, Iglesias was lightning tonight.

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