Rays @ Angels 05/06/2021 Gamethread

After what has been a very long baseball day, there is still a game to be played. The Angels finally release the lineup about 30 minutes before first pitch. Jack Kruger may make his Major League debut. He is up, as are Jon Jay and Félix Peña.

Rays Lineup: Arozarena 7, Margot 9, Meadows DH, Díaz 3, Brosseau 4, Wendle 5, Zunino 2, Adames 6, Phillips 8. McHugh 1.

Angels Lineup: Fletcher 4, Ohtani DH, Trout 8, Walsh 3, Iglesias 6, Ward 9, Suzuki 2, Lagares 7, Gosselin 5. Heaney 1.

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MikeSalmon
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4 months ago

I expect the Angels to lose now. Every night. They’ve gotten a solid 5 innings from their SP and still can’t score runs. If the starters suck, the bullpen might be okay, but too late. If the Angels score runs after the 6th, MAYBE they win, but the BP likely blows it.

For me, the worst Angels loss is when we get a solid 5+ from the starter, lose, and Trout goes 0-4 or 0-3 w/a walk. I’m basically following MNT and Ohtani at this point. It’s May 6 and I have very close to ZERO hope this team will get any better, despite cutting the cord w/Al.

Why? Bullpen sucks ass. And some key guys are under-performing. (Lookin’ at YOU, Fletch.)

bradllee424
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4 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

They won’t win until they get Rendon and Upton back. This lineup with the pitching is horrid.

MikeSalmon
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4 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Yea, and C-Rod too. Please!

MikeSalmon
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4 months ago

Was the last win when we scored 10 runs? If so, wasn’t that, like 3 weeks ago? Feels like it.

eyespy
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4 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Too many moons ago

WallyChuckChili
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4 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

That was way back when Pujols played for us

WallyChuckChili
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4 months ago

Ward never beats the throw at 1st

DowningDude
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4 months ago

Somewhere Lyle Spencer and Albert Pujols are laughing

DowningDude
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4 months ago

💩

Angels2020Champs
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4 months ago

Well onto the Dodgers!

FungoAle
Super Member
4 months ago

Two teams that need wins, badly.

eyespy
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4 months ago

All done yay

Angels2020Champs
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4 months ago

2 out rally time!

MikeSalmon
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4 months ago

You got rid of Pujols. Smart move, Angels.
But your pitching still sucks ass.

JackFrost
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4 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

… and the culture in the FO with Arte being the head of the rotting fish is still there…

bradllee424
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4 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Not to mention a bad pitching coach as well. The other pitching coach that was half-way decent decided to fool around.

DowningDude
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4 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Bring back the Butcher of Anaheim

DowningDude
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4 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

At least he made a mean hand tossed pizza crust

eyespy
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4 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Pizza-Pizza

ihearhowie3.0
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4 months ago

Might be the most poorly coached Angels team I can remember watching in the past 20 years.

Barring a real turnaround this season would anyone miss Joe Maddon and his staff? I feel like we have Doug White’s coaching everyone on everything.

FungoAle
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4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Joe is here to stay. It will be his choice.

bradllee424
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4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

This is not all his fault. He just has bad pitchers and a horrid pitching coach.

eyespy
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4 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

He picked the coach, and he didn’t demand better pitching. He shares in the blame

bradllee424
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4 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

He picked a decent pitching coach in Callaway but the guy decided to fool around instead.

JackFrost
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4 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

Not sure he can “demand” it.

But how do you know he didn’t ask for it?

LA_Seitz
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4 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Who hired the pitching coach?

bradllee424
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4 months ago
Reply to  LA_Seitz

Maddon hired Callaway but unfortunately we are now stuck with Wise.

FungoAle
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4 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

The real impactful pitching coaches are far and few in between. I personally don’t care for Callaway or Wise but not sure who to bring in. Pitching coaches don’t always connect with every pitcher.

JackFrost
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4 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Yep. Cursed.

FungoAle
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4 months ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Just pointing out he has deep ties and a GM who really likes him.

eyespy
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4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

He was here before the GM, and does Perry “Really like him” really? Really-really?

FungoAle
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4 months ago
Reply to  eyespy

You got a point, might have endorsed what a wonderful guy he was to get the job. If Perry wants him out, I’m good over here.

JackFrost
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4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Again, this is not on Maddon. It is just stupid to think he is to blame for this.

ihearhowie3.0
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4 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

So players that had track records of defensive prowess elsewhere just all of a sudden suck in Anaheim and we’re not allowed to wonder about the coaching staff and culture that Maddon’s hands-off style might allow to fester?

Maddon is fine if a team is winning due to good GM’ing. His style kind of exacerbates bad situations IMO.

FungoAle
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4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

That is a good take in my opinion. Cool guy but does the style work with a team like this. Fundamentals start in the minors, so could be a collective organizational issue?

JackFrost
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4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

It IS an organizational issue.

Do you think it was Joe’s fault that Adell was never taught how to play in the OF?

Don’t be stupid howie — he’s trying to fix a decade + of neglect and dysfunction.

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FungoAle
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4 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Evidence he has put in place measures to fix the dysfunction? I’m not bagging on Joe like you think I am but I don’t think he deserves a kitchen pass.

JackFrost
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4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

With Joe it starts with the individual relationships with the players. I feel pretty sure he began that work the moment he got here (even before that over the phone).

The other stuff takes longer and also requires help from the GM and especially Arte. The Arte part of the equation is where it might get tricky..,

Last edited 4 months ago by JackFrost
JackFrost
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4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I have news for you; there was already a culture here before Joe arrived and it wasn’t his…

He’s been here close to one full season. I would not expect him to totally overcome that in that time period, especially when Arte has tied the hands of his GM and refuses to invest in quality pitching !!!

DowningDude
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4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Ausmus?

MH252525
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4 months ago

It’s rather ironic that I’ve heard more boos from Angels fans tonight when they essentially gave Pujols a pass for the pass 5 years for playing below replacement level and being a huge anchor.

eyespy
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  MH252525

The meth wore off

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
4 months ago

Gosselin is fitting right in

MikeSalmon
Trusted Member
4 months ago

Was that ruled an error?

MikeSalmon
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4 months ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

I was too GA, but looked it up in the box score. Gosselin has an error, unless I missed another one earlier.

DMAGZ13
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4 months ago

After starting 7-3… they are… wait for. 6-14.

WallyChuckChili
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4 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Destiny!

DowningDude
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4 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Awesome

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
4 months ago

Let’s go Angels!!!!

FungoAle
Super Member
4 months ago

Yeah, baybee. Let’s go Halos!

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

We still got a chance

nishiogawakun
Trusted Member
4 months ago

We all knew dropping AP wasn’t going to magically make us competitive. But man, the Angels just wanted to make extra sure they got that point across didn’t they. Sigh. What does next couple of years even look like? I mean, is this level of crap something you could even fix in a season? A few seasons? Maybe we’ll just keep rolling the dice and hope we get lucky one year. Wonder what the probability of that is…

eyespy
Super Member
4 months ago

First Halloween, now Elm Street

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
4 months ago

Kruger era begins

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
4 months ago

You mean Kroger?

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
4 months ago

That stater bros off brand, sure

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
4 months ago

If he does good I’ll call him Freddy

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
4 months ago

Pic?

Angels2020Champs
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4 months ago

Just making sure jessica is still paying attention

Last edited 4 months ago by Angels2020Champs
WallyChuckChili
Super Member
4 months ago

Ha!

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
4 months ago

😛

AllenB
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4 months ago

Waving that white flag!!!

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
4 months ago

While Pujols sucks, you know the narrative in the national media will be that it’s an organization in turmoil again and it’s time to completely rebuild , by trading Trout and Rendon and building around Ohtani with Pujols gone. Ya never know. Arte May think he’s close to dying and might not care anymore.

LA_Seitz
Member
4 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Would they be wrong? I mean, I think trading either of them would be insanely stupid, but this team is still going to be trash for the foreseeable future.

JackFrost
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  LA_Seitz

Agreed. Trading either Trout or Ohtani is not the answer.

The answer is…….

Arte selling the team.

eyespy
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Yes yes my man

ihearhowie3.0
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

If you think the management is really bad at evaluating talented GMs, Managers and Pitchers why would we trust them to trade Mike Trout and get the right players in return?

Arte just needs to either sell the team or completely burn down the management team of his buddies.

LA_Seitz
Member
4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Oh, I don’t trust them to do anything, let alone trade anyone good. I’m just saying, if the media says the only way to win is to trade those guys, you prove them wrong by winning with those guys. But they aren’t going to win with those guys, because the organization is terrible So we’re going to keep hearing it.