LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Bargain Bin Hunting

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Angels News

The Angels actually did a a thing! They signed Alek Manoah 1/1.95M. A 27 year old pitcher, he still has options and Atlanta just cut him.

Hawai’i backs Kurt Suzuki. Because he is Hawaiian.

Around Baseball

Blue Jays do a thing, get a KBO star. Cody Ponce signed 3/30M. Elite pitcher… in the KBO. Well, he isn’t expected to be the ace, remember, the Jays also have Dylan Cease.

Sonny Gray did not like being on the MFY. Buttering up to his new Boston team, or a reason why he sucked in pinstripes?

HOF voters for the Vet committee is here. Here is the ballot to vote on. Anyone getting in?

In Japan news, the NPB may change up their playoff format a bit. No more ghost win is on the table.

Willson Contreras is allowing himself to be traded. But to only good teams. 🙁

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Jeff Joiner
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6 hours ago

Mullins to the Rays on a 1 year deal.

Really like Mullins and hope it works out well for him there but I didn’t want him here. I’d rather roll with Rada if that was the case.

bobblanton
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yes see if Rada is ready in spring training. But need a backup plan. I like Mullins also but thought we need to go younger

Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

He hit .333 with a .462 OBP last spring training, and hit .323 with a .433 OBP in AAA. Meanwhile, his glove is plus for MLB already.

Unless Rada rolls into spring 30 pounds overweight and sporting a limp, I’m not sure he has much to prove in ST. There’s nowhere else for him to go but the MLB or another club at this point.

Pineapple12
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4 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

All aboard the Rada 🚆! Choo Choo

Angelz4ever
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

My only worry is Rada with be “Scott Ericksoned” if he is brought up too early. We don’t need him with the big club in 2026, unless it is for a brief cup-o-coffee late in the season. In my unasked for opinion, Adell may have developed a little more had he not been rushed up to the bigs. For that matter, Christian Moore is also in that same club, but has already been rushed.

Last edited 5 hours ago by Angelz4ever
Turk's Teeth
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4 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I honestly don’t think these players are comparable. Moore was definitely rushed – he was hitting .234 with a K rate north of 27% when they bumped him up to AAA for a confidence boost. His K rate then increased while his BB% rate declined in AAA, and PCL park factors masked obvious swing deficiencies further, but they called him up nonetheless.

Adell likewise had a 33% K rate in AAA, and a walk rate below 8%, the season prior to him making the MLB club. In that case, it made some sense, as minor league ball was cancelled in 2020 due to the pandemic, so it would have been a lost season absent that. But the underlying metrics forecasted his underperformance.

Rada, on the other hand, has been given almost two full seasons at AA, and has increasingly improved his game, and was profiled by Baseball America as possessing some of the most elite swing decisions and in-zone contact rates of any prospect. Then he was promoted to AAA, where he hit better against much older competition – a walk rate of 15%, and the lowest K rate in full-season ball of his career. Park- and league-adjusted, he was every bit as good in AAA as AA, with superior swing and contact data.

I just don’t see how rostering him in AAA is going to further his development. His limitations – strength, loft, small stature – are genetic, not experiential hurdles to surmount. Further muscle gain, aging, a thickening core aren’t going to get him much with his body type, and actually could set him back. But seeing MLB pitching and regular velocity will help – he should be given the chance.

Kevin
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Mullins was red hot early in 2025 and then called down substantially later. I didn’t expect him to be a good fit here. So good luck to him in Tampa. I assume they didn’t overpay as Tampa never does that generally.

Turk's Teeth
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8 hours ago

Ponce was a key part of my IIWPM feature. I gave him the equivalent of $8M AAV. Toronto gave him $2M more, and one extra year – probably market value given Canadian taxes and the premium on pitching this year.

Angelz4ever
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Yeah, Ponce is a lost opportunity.

Angelz4ever
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10 hours ago

BTW-What can we expect/not expect from Silent C in 2026?

IMHO it will be a defining season for him, will he make corrections and improve or at beast be a bubble guy until he is Rule 5ed or released in a couple of years?

I don’t know it will play out, he has the tools, had limited success, then 2025 bit him in the proverbial @ss.

Opinions?

cookmeister
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

He’s on the 40 man. He can be Rule 5’d

Angelz4ever
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9 hours ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I am talking a few years “…in a couple of years” from now.

cookmeister
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

at that point he will be DFA’d and a free agent. Still not Rule 5 eligible

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

Oh yeah. He is definitely at least half on the bubble. He’s had plenty of MLB innings and he needs to show that he’s adjusting to pitch well at this point. I do still think he can be good.

I also think that his rope is sort of as long as the Angels options. If the team has a prospect, say Urena, killing it in the minors in late May and Silent C is still fumbling and stumbling then I think he may lose his spot. But if the team isn’t gonna contend, and we don’t have any kids banging the door down, then he’s kind of at the Detmers end of the development cycle where those guys can give it a try and see if anything clicks for the whole season if they want. It doesn’t realistically hurt anything.

milehigh
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I’m fine with giving him his release. I don’t expect anything more from him and Maddux has enough projects for now.

Kevin
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I think Silent C pitched some good games before losing it. If he can get his rid straight, he can be effective. You keep guys like that.

Biggiswrth
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13 hours ago

It has ??’s all over the rotation at the MLB level but look at our depth now in the minors:
Dana- AAA, Farris-AAA, Kochanowicz- AAA, Aldegheri- AAA, Klassen- AAA
Hurtado- AA Urena- AA R Johnson- AA Stanucci- AA Thorton- AA
Bremner- A

If you squint, you can actually start to see a pipeline here and given maddux at the helm now, can we fix the long standing question of “Can he pitch?” or MaWAWR PItZinG?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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13 hours ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Pipeline? Yes, I agree it’s a pipeline.

Is it a pipeline with top-of-the-rotation talent? No.

Fansince1971
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12 hours ago

It reminds me a bit of the pipelines that lead to beach closures.

MarineLayer
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Sewer line?

Angelz4ever
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10 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Disconnected line?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Eh. “Clear top of rotation talent” isn’t something you will see about 2/3 of the time with these kids. Making it a conveniently easy bitch to bitch. For example. Tarik Skubal. He was a highly ranked pitcher in the Tigers system, but he was a clear third dog to Casey Mize and Matt Manning. In fact, you know whose scouting grades are slightly better? Tyler Bremner. Garret Crochet is another example I can think of. But now….. Skubal is SKUBAL.

There are a lot of aces who were never Paul Skenes in the MiLB. In fact, guys like him who are expected to be a beast in the draft and then just ARE a beast are rare. Instead you usually get Andrew Painter. Or Freddy Peralta. Or Framber Valdez, who was a 60/60/50 but 45 over all grade prospect and the Astros #15 ranked kid in 2018.

That’s why I keep fantasizing about the Angels getting lower ranked pitching prospects with 50+ grades on two pitches but overall grades below 50. They are who turn into top of a rotation arms with some growing.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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10 hours ago

Okay, the term “top of the rotation talent” does create the “holes” you identify. However, the point being made regarding our pitching depth in the minors today – and based on results to date, hopium and squinting is the best way forward.

Skubal made the top 100 prospect list after the 2020 season. Bremmer would seem to be the best hope if prospect rankings/ratings have any value in determining potential.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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We don’t want to hope and squint. We need to follow the golden rule I have made up in my head. Get about 15 pitching prospects with at least one 55+ grade pitch and work on them. Then maybe you end up with one top of the rotation starter and a couple other rotation pieces.

Pineapple12
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12 hours ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Trying to figure out who Stanucci and Thorton are?

Nonetheless, our pitching pipeline from the MLB roster down to the ACL team is the most interesting part of this team.

MarineLayer
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Manoah is fine as minor league depth, but not part of the rotation. He’s on a major league deal with two options, so he can be sent down if he can’t be quickly fixed by Maddux.

Angelz4ever
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

With Arte’s ownership, the pipeline is more a Dr. Kevorkian IV line, only taking a really long time.

cookmeister
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Don’t sleep on Olejnik, TGA, Jordan and Soto at Single A (and Kent, but I think he had TJ?). And Cortez for that matter (I know walks are an issue, but his stuff is dynamite)

Who are Stanucci and Thorton?

Jeff Joiner
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7 hours ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I like TGA.

Turk's Teeth
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I like Jordan and Soto.

TGA still seems more probable as a bullpen guy to me, but we’ll see.

I’d use Kent to sweeten a trade package, but that’s just me.

Not bullish on Olejnik – he’s 23 this month and still struggling with command and control in low-A ball. Not much precedent for 6’11” guys with middling fastballs making it in pro ball.

cookmeister
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Not saying Olejnik is going to be great by any means, I just think he has an underrated chance of being organizational depth. He threw more innings this year than he had in his college/summer ball career combined.

I can’t find the splits, but iirc, he’s pretty dynamite first time through the order (could be a nice swing/bulk/piggyback option down the line).

Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I watched almost all of his starts in the final two months of the season – just going off what I saw in those. If by “organizational depth” we mean 2-3 more years eating innings in the minors, sure, I can see that.

He was old for the level, and was still getting hit frequently while struggling with his delivery and release point often. (.294 baa and 1.42 WHIP in August).

Not to say that there’s no future opportunity as a bulk MIRP, but it’s still an outside possibility, and I just wouldn’t put him in the same tier as the other 18-20 yos in your list as that potential late bloomer.

Jeff Joiner
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

So we take those 11 and figure we’ll probably get 2 starters and 2 bullpen guys out of them. Perhaps even less.

Then we take the pile of bullpen guys like Shores and Cortez and likely net another bullpen guy or 2.

This is why I’d be in favor of trading Adell and Detmers right now. Get more prospects because most will fail.

Turk's Teeth
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

I like Urena and Bremner in that bunch as potential starter candidates – that’s about it for me until you get to the low-A guys and recent draftees.

The first four in that list seem like AAAA / taxi squad guys – they either need to take meaningful steps forward this season, or they’re going to wash out.

Klassen, Cortez and Hurtado should go to a AA/AAA bullpen (along with recently acquired Shores), and godspeed, but the team is still trying to stretch them out. I’d personally cut those experiments short, and see what they can do in 1-2 inning outings at higher frequency.

Johnson is a wildcard. I think he’s more likely in the Klassen/Cortez group than not, but it’s worth seeing if he can put up 6 innings every fifth day in Rocket City for a couple months before reassigning him to the pen.

I still think the intriguing arms will be at ACL/A ball this year, with Jordan/Soto/TGA maybe hitting A+ ball by midseason. The farm arms in the upper minors are still a below-average group to my mind, but the lower minors are flush with potentially compelling pitching talent.

Kevin
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14 hours ago

On the HOF ballot, Mattingly and Fernando are the only ones that don’t have an air of PED potential use. Kent would seem to have the numbers assuming he was clean.

RexFregosi
Super Member
14 hours ago

the Minoan signing I think is a non-event, a waste of $2M, as I don’t think he makes the club, let alone the rotation.

sadly though it gives insight for budget projections and roster building for 2026. And it’s a fugly picture.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

It’s the classic “on Arte’s watch” Angel roster move. The only caveat is that this time, we actually have a pitching coach who might unlock some of the prior promise Manoah had.

Otherwise, this is a “Groundhog Day” player signing.

Last edited 13 hours ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
Biggiswrth
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13 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

It’s worth a shot as we have a ton of guys who can be called in and fill the #5 spot already on the roster.
The camp battle for #5 is going to be crazy tough this year!

milehigh
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

I think the battle is for #3, 4 and 5. I’m not seeing the proven pitchers for those slots.

Angelz4ever
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5 hours ago
Reply to  milehigh

Yeah, unless a FA is signed.

cookmeister
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10 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

every team makes these types of moves. Monoah just happens to have 2 minor league options at our disposal. And $2 mil is nothing.

Angelz4ever
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5 hours ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Agreed, low risk, possible mid payoff.

steelgolf
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16 hours ago

I could see Clemons and Fernando in the Hall of Fame, Mattingly is a wobbler for me, the rest would be a no.

Born_in_59
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15 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Why Clemens but not Bonds? Both have the majority of issues keeping them out of the Hall of Fame. I think Sheffield should be in even if he does have a bad reputation and played defense as an afterthought. Maybe I’d vote for Kent too, but the rest I’d pass on.

steelgolf
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14 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Why Kent? I’m curious. The guy who was just good but lucked into being on really good teams and lied about an offseason injury? Gritch should be in before Kent even gets a thought.

Born_in_59
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10 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

With Kent it comes down to his hitting which was outstanding for a mid-fielder. Once he got to San Francisco and started putting some loft on the ball, he became an all-star. While he takes some lumps as a defender, Kent was neutral in the stats until his last few years when he’d have been a DH with the Dodgers, if that had been an option, instead of in the field.
And yes, I agree Grich should be in and Whitaker too.

Last edited 10 hours ago by Born_in_59
Kevin
Trusted Member
4 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Kent is one of the best offensive second basemen ever. Career .290 average. 377 HRs as an infielder. That’s special. 4 time silver slugger.

Grich hit .266 with 220 HRs.

Roy Hobbs
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3 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin

Bobby Grich 71 WAR 125 OPS+ 4 GGs 6 AS appearances
Jeff Kent 55.4 WAR 123 OPS+ 0 GGs and 5 AS appearances

Kent was not the better hitter and certainly not the better fielder.

Roy Hobbs
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3 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Kent is also highly suspect when it comes to PEDs. He was basically Nolan Schanuel until he turned 30 in 1998, and then for the next 10 years, all the way through his 30s, he hit like a HOFer, much like Big Papi.

Last edited 3 hours ago by Roy Hobbs
Kevin
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1 hour ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Grich was the better fielder. Kent was a much better hitter. I watched both play and the HRs, RBIs, average and silver sluggers all back up the hitting.

MarineLayer
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Grich over Kent

Kevin
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Sheffield was a clear PED guy if you care about that.

RexFregosi
Super Member
14 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Fernando was amazing but if any of these guys on this ballot gets in they are loosening the standards even more.

Sheffield has the best argument.

steelgolf
Legend
14 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Fernando was extremely impactful for baseball, especially in the LA area.

WallyChuckChili
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12 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

LA Area

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  steelgolf

Who gives a shit? His primary qualifications are he’s Mexican. Not the first Mexican in the MLB, just Mexican. And he’s dead, which is a qualification we will all eventually pull off. As far as pitchers go Jaime Moyer, Mark Langston, Chuck Finley, Jimmy Key, Frank Viola, Ron Guidry, Brett Saberhagen, Kenny Rogers…. all pitchers from that era with better careers. Hell, if you want a guy from that era with a passable career and a short era of magical dominance put Dave Stieb in.

A lot of Polish people loved Doug Mientkiewicz. The first black pitcher was Dan Bankead. Not a hall of famer. Why? Because it’s not the Hall of Feelz. Hell, if you just want a folk hero to put in there… Bo Jackson. Hell, Camilo Pascual was my mom’s favorite pitcher as a kid… basically Cuban Fernando.

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
10 hours ago

I agree. Should be about the career #’s, not racial bias. I don’t think many MLB fans outside East LA cared about ‘Fernando Mania’

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
10 hours ago

In that case we should lobby for Bo Belinsky.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
7 hours ago

Very few players have impacted a franchise as much as Fernando did. Prior to his arrival there was a chasm between the team and the local Mexican population.

Once Fernando arrived that all changed. Now it is almost a birthright to be a Dodgers fan if you are Latino in LA.

I don’t think that merits HOF induction, but he does have a significant place in LA history.

Turk's Teeth
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2 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

He also had one hell of a six year run, performance-wise. Six consecutive All Star appearances, WS victory, a Cy Young, Rookie of the Year, top five Cy finalist in four seasons. A postseason average of 1.98 ERA.

If HoF is just about WAR accumulation, he barely makes the threshold, though contemporaries like Jack Morris and Goose Gossage made it in with similar WAR totals. Roughly 25 HoF pitchers have lower WAR totals than Fernando.

If guys like Morris, Gossage and Catfish Hunter made it in, it’s hard to say Fernando has no case.

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