LA Angels Monday News Crash: Road Trip

Sometimes you just need to get away. Perhaps that is the case with the Angels. A Cubs 4-3 win capped off a weekend sweep of the Angels and a miserable 1-5 homestand.

John and I were at the 1 win so if y’all want to see any more W’s I suggest you start buying us tickets, ha ha.

What to do when life is tough at home? Go on a road trip.

Since the sweep of the Dodgers, the Angels are 2-7. I wish I had some good news, but I’m not going to lie to you.

Nolan Schanuel is on the IL with a wrist contusion. He’s been scuffling at the plate lately so perhaps this explains why.

After combining to serve up 12 runs on Saturday night Victor Mederos and Cason Fulmer were placed on the IL.

Sam the Hat has a really nice feature on Carson Fulmer. If you have The Athletic, give it a read.

And there is good news on the farm: George Klassen spun a scoreless gem in AA.

And we don’t have it all that bad. The Pirates are in danger of setting some dubious history.

One last thing: The Angels swept the Dodgers twice and now they are in second place.

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Phil
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2 hours ago

In the last couple of weeks:
Angels lost games to 4 starting rookie pitchers.
Now, they face deGrom, Corbin, and Eovaldi – yikes!!

For today,
deGrom has faced Angels 4 times, going 1-1, with ERA of 3.80
For this season, he’s 10-5, ERA of 2.76
deGrom missed his last start due to shoulder fatigue. No better team for a pitcher with shoulder fatigue (or, any other injury) to face than the Angels.

Soriano has faced Rangers 6 times, going 1-3, ERA of 3.42
For the season, he’s 8-9, with ERA 4.00

Trout is not in the lineup, and rightfully so, given that deGrom’s average fastball velocity in 2025 is 96.9
So far, in August, Trout is hitting 0.231, 1 HR, 5 RBIs, 30 strikeouts in 65 at-bats

Lineup includes d’Arnaud, O’hoppe, Kavadas, and Rengifo.

Com’on, Ray – play Moore every game for 2025. Give Moore a chance to prove he does (or doesn’t) belong in the lineup for 2026.

bobblanton
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3 hours ago

Please go in another direction. New GM and new Manager

bobblanton
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3 hours ago

Wash needs to retire and please don’t come back to manage next year. For his health utmost. My dad had quintuple bypass and could never work again at 60 so no way wash should manage

Last edited 3 hours ago by bobblanton
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Yes. Clearly. For his own good. Not because I want a new manager. I am a good person. Thoughts and prayers.

Kevin
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3 hours ago

Minassian was hired in November 2020. Angels are on their way to a fifth consecutive losing season under his leadership— and they have had a worse record every year with this season maybe being the only one better than the season before depending on how the rest goes. I’m not an owner nor an organizational expert. But how does the above result in the same continuing unabated? Montgomery is a Minassian front office type guy now in the dugout. Thoughts?

MarineLayer
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3 hours ago

It’s a nice photo. I would love for Minasian to pursue a career as a Chef.

Phil
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3 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

And the result a customer of that restaurant would get is overcooked beef, under-cooked seafood, wilted vegetables, bitter dessert…..

Kevin
Trusted Member
39 minutes ago
Reply to  Phil

The Minasian brothers have combined for one quality season out of 11 during their MLB tenures with the Halos and Giants. Perry tries to mimic what the Giants do. Why? The Giants have underachieved in 2022-2025. And there is a disconnect between authoritarian control by the GMs and wining (which doesn’t happen).

grichmanpoorman
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4 hours ago

Lucas Ramirez had a nice debut in High A over the weekend. 2-3 with a double on Saturday. Not bad for a 19 year old in High A.

Something about him and his profile doesn’t add up for me. Obvs great pedigree and athleticism… but barely made a peep in the draft. Performed very well in his first taste of pro ball… but still not blipping on prospect lists. And despite that, the Halos leapfrog him over his peers to high A.

Like some conspiracy to get a stud OF to Anaheim with little fanfare as possible.

Turk's Teeth
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2 hours ago

Ramirez has actually been active at Tri City for the past week – Saturday was a solid outing – his first multihit outing – but he’s struck out in 44% of his plate appearances, for a 63 wRC+ across his first six games. About what you would expect from a 19 yo hitting against college-age pitchers.

He was pretty raw as a high school senior, and has never projected for much power, so never had a prospect resume. But he’s young enough, has the bloodlines/pedigree (if not the power) and has improved his contact quality over the season to maybe play himself into a bench OF role in coming years.

Twebur
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4 hours ago

Ron Washington is here. He revealed that he had bypass surgery. He says he’s feeling better now. And he stopped smoking.

https://x.com/jefffletcherocr/status/1960082899656724492?s=42

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

Ahhhh. that’s good news. Glad it’s “just” heart surgery and not some crazy cancer or drug issue.

FungoAle
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4 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Did Fletcher report his desire to rejoin the team or is he stepping away from managing? Anti-Montgomery fan was asking me.

I’ll miss Wash not lighting up in the dugout, brought character to the team.

Pineapple12
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4 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

He says he wants to come back and manage the Angels.

“I want to finish what we started.”

https://x.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1960083097958981864?t=TWgxr_4_TY0icNUW4KFFxg&s=19

FungoAle
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4 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Okay then, let’s get it on.

Ray, back to whatever it was that you were doing.

MarineLayer
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3 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Spying for Minasian.

MarineLayer
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3 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Here’s what Rotoworld reported:

Ron Washington plans to return as Angels manager next season.
Washington took a leave of absence in late June due to health concerns with Ray Montgomery taking over as the Angels interim manager. The 73-year-old told reporters he underwent a quadruple bypass earlier this summer. The iconic skipper plans to continue managing and will return to the helm next season after making an effort to quit smoking and improve his diet.

Pineapple12
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4 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Extremely happy to hear Wash is doing better!!! Heart surgery is scary, but it’s not a death sentence.

Bring him back for 2026!

Twebur
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4 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Rooting for Wash. Best option in my useless opinion to make these kids better MLB’ers. Like his straight forward approach.

Pineapple12
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4 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

More than anyone, CMo needs Wash.

We most likely aren’t contending next year anyways, so might as well give Wash more time with Neto, Adell, Schanuel, O’Hoppe, Moore, Rada, Guzman, etc.

Montgomery fucking (August) sucks lol

MarineLayer
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3 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I think he needs to be some kind of coach, not a manager. He doesn’t excel at the “strategery” stuff.

red floyd
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3 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Better than Montgomery, but then, maybe even BBB and Phil were as well.

bobblanton
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3 hours ago
Reply to  red floyd

Please no more Wash as manager. Maybe special assistant to the GM

Kevin
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8 minutes ago
Reply to  red floyd

Montgomery is the lowest rung on the manager ladder since 2000 I believe.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

I’m still hoping someone can point me at the manager who has our roster (or similar) and yet gets praised for being good at the strategy stuff. I have yet to find this rare and fragrant orchid.

Roy Hobbs
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1 hour ago
Reply to  Twebur

Glad to hear it was something treatable. he’s better than Monty, and next year it won’t really matter anyway. Hopefully, in 2027 we have a new GM and Manager.

Twebur
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4 hours ago
Turk's Teeth
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7 hours ago

Of the seven Angels draftees who have debuted thus far, the one making the best impression is 20th rounder Sam Tookoian. He was a complete flyer who raised his stock in the weeks before the draft by having a strong run in the MLB Draft League (basically where future UDFAs go to get drafted in the late rounds). He was used very infrequently over three years at Ole Miss, including only three innings this season – but his 9Ks across those three innings show you he has some stuff, beyond the meh ERA/WHIP.

He’s still learning to command the edges of the zone, but he has two shapes on the breaker, and the vertical break is impressive. He’s a very big boy, and has a closer’s look to me, with a massive lower body, but it’s also a ‘bad body’ look that is going to need a lot of conditioning to stay in shape.

In 5 IP thus far at high-A, he’s surrendered one hit, no walks or runs, and has Ked 8.

https://twitter.com/draftleaguedata/status/1940049407732281767

2pints
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

great last name

Turk's Teeth
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7 hours ago
Reply to  2pints

Perry had to rep the tribe with that final pick. 🙂

Maybe the real Cam Bedrosian just stepped up?

2pints
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

it sounds like the name of a moon around Tatooine.

Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago
Reply to  2pints

Or Tolkien’s middle-earth.

But to me, having grown up among Armenian pals in the central valley, it rings a very familiar bell of the Caucasus-via-Fresno.

2pints
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Tookoian was a fellow Ent of Treebeard

red floyd
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3 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Pippin, you fool of a Tookoian!

MarineLayer
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3 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

How about some Kardashians too?

red floyd
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3 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I’d prefer Cardassians.

steelgolf
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

David Wells and CC Sabathia had bad bodies too, yet their pitching was just fine. If he is getting Ks now, he can only improve with age and hopefully competent coaching.

Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Kenley is another example. Bad body, but strong guy, very durable. Unsurprising that he’s a converted catcher.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

He’s got a big butt and he can not lie. You and the other brother’s can’t deny…..

milehigh
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1 hour ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

That video reminds me of Bartolo Colon.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

the Sunny D of power relief!

Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago

Pour one out for the big boys:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6573039/2025/08/25/josh-naylor-stolen-bases-mariners/

That one’s fun – Josh Naylor as base thief. Improbable, but it’s actually happening.

FungoAle
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6 hours ago

Perry has a large soft spot for drafting robust physiques

Turk's Teeth
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7 hours ago

Baseball America gave Caden Dana and Denzer Guzman shout outs in this week’s top 20 prospect hot Sheet. Dana for his 13 K gem, and Guzman for a solid overall week: 316/.417/.737.

They also called out two recently drafted prospects: Kyle Lodise and Charles Davalan. Lodise was my target for most of the year when I was dreaming of the Angels picking up a CBA pick from the Royals in the 66-74 range (Lodise would be selected at #77, so would’ve been available).

Davalan has had about as good a premiere as a draftee can have: 579/.619/.842, triple, HR, 3 SBs.

The Dodgers drafted him at #41 with their first(!) pick, demonstrating again how good that team is at scouting and stock picking, despite crap draft position each year.

Turk's Teeth
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8 hours ago

For those interested in seeing Ethan Holliday in action, the 66ers play Fresno this week, starting tomorrow. Honestly, the more impressive bat on that club at the moment is Roldy Brito, one of the stars in ACL action this season.

Ethan had a hot start, but has been succumbing to the K of late as pitchers adjust.

GrandpaBaseball
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8 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

How are Anderson and Hernandez fairing?

Turk's Teeth
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8 hours ago

Neither have debuted in pro ball. Which is par for the course. Prep pitchers and D1 college starters tend to get shut down for the year after drafting.

The guys who get a little taste of pro ball in Aug/Sept tend to be position players, senior signs, and relievers who had a lighter workload during the season.

FungoAle
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6 hours ago

Good that the Pirates are taking it slow with Seth. I’m envious of the arms they have. If their ownership decides to spend a bit, Pirates can be a real problem.

MarineLayer
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8 hours ago

The Trout eye test tells me Trout needs an eye test at the least. Or he’s just injured and needs to hang out with RenDone some more.

GrandpaBaseball
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8 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

The Trout we all new in the teens has long been done since ’21. The smile stiff exists and even some of the drive is occasionally present, but his heart for baseball has diminished and it’s time for him to exit gracefully and enjoy his family and other adventures. The injuries are not the only thing holding him back but a combination of things that add up, especially missing the amount of baseball he has missed in the last 7 seasons that leave him capable of just being enough to see some of the old self periodically. But he cannot focus on every pitch any longer that once made him great. He knows this but like all athletes he believes he can overcome this.

Some great athletes can adjust to the aging process and continue through most of their 30’s such as Ryan, Maddox, Ruth, Aaron but for Trouty the lack of health along with not being on the field has taken its toll. Mantle had a similar career and hung on to long, Mays held on about 4 years to long. It happens to them all, all the Superstars careers end and we miss them. Trout is my favorite MLB of all time with Mickey Mantle. I wish he would hang up his cleats soon, seeing him fail as a DH is killing me a little bit at a time.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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What color are the drapes inside Trout’s head?

Sure, he’s clearly not having fun. He’s never been a really expressive guy so I have no idea what his drive is like or what the voices of his id and ego sound like.

GrandpaBaseball
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7 hours ago

You are right as always because you know so many professional athletes that they inform you of so many things. Your perception in watching sports is second to none and you have great insight that you feel you can question anyone on any subject whenever.

Watch Trout walk up to the plate and you see Trout as he has always been with a spring in his step and his eyes focused, I don’t. You see Trout walk away after striking out as you have always seen him, I don’t. You see Trout able to adjust to seeing and hitting a pitch, I don’t. I really don’t give a Fk about curtains as maybe you do, what I see is different than what you see, but sense today you want to question me, and I don’t much care to explain to you what it is that I perceive I’ll just leave it as it is and say thank you very much in being the only member here today that has all the answers to all that takes place with the Angels past, present and future.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I tried to read this. It was too hard. It doesn’t matter which words you used in that grammar abortion. I assume you said “narr ah right! you are dick!”. I still don’t think anybody has a clue how much drive or heart for baseball Trout has. Clearly he sucks. It’s far less clear how he feels and thinks about it.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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“The smile stiff exists and even some of the drive is occasionally present, but his heart for baseball has diminished and it’s time for him to exit gracefully and enjoy his family and other adventures.”

I respect the perspective and opinion, but unless Mike has told you these things directly, respectfully, this assessment is all bullshit.

Trout can’t be oblivious to the fact that what used to be easy for him is now difficult. He has to know the results today are less than in the past. He likely hears the whispers that he’s “washed” and the catcalls from fans when he K’s.

I do not doubt that Trout is trying his very best in each game and every at bat.
Yes, Arte is paying a lot of money for what is now limited results. However, there was a time when Trout was outperforming the remuneration. He was a bargain for many years.

The calls for him to “retire” because he’s “embarrassing himself” are dumb and lazy. Unless he asked to be traded, to cut him loose at this point in his career is gutless. We should want Mike to finish his career with the Halos and then stay involved with the franchise and its players post-playing career.

Give the man the respect he’s earned.

GrandpaBaseball
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7 hours ago

I did not say cut him, was thinking along the lines of him retiring. I did not say he was not trying his best in every at bat, I said it is hard for him to focus with every pitch in every at bat. Get off your soap box.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Trout’s still Mike Fing Trout. If I were forced to bet on an MLB player who appears washed making some adjustments to how he approaches the game and finding a way to be good, even if it’s a different good, I’d take him.

I’m sure he’s unhappy right now. But for all I know he’s already talking to a hitting coach that he’s gonna work with every day starting October 5th so he can become baseball first .400 BA, home run totals be damned. Or he intends to keep swinging for the fences like a twat. Or he’s gonna get knee and eye surgery. Or he really is washed up and he retires. I have no clue.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
4 hours ago

Like it or not, he’s still our best hitter via OPS+

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Yep. It’s great.

FungoAle
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4 hours ago

Trout is six years removed from being the team leader in “any” major offensive statistical categories. Coincidentally, that year (2019) was the 1st year of his 12-year contract. In my opinion, fans have a reason to gripe and express frustration as Mike has/will only been able to perform on just 1 of those 12-years. Sure, I baked in a pessimistic outcome on the remaining seasons though Sept’ 30. Seems clear though, this is the current trajectory.

There will come a time when we will need a better productive DH and the new GM will need to handle it accordingly. Do we keep him in the starting line-up because we owe him or put him on the bench…I know which way I would go.

Even with my Trout Jersey and silly Trout fish hat, I’ve lost the nostalgia on his glory years. That’s a shame, just too much disappointment during the Minasian years that due to recency bias, stands out more that the decade of 2010. I hate to see greatness fade hard and I was thrilled Arte had signed him to a 12-year deal with a no-trade clause. I understand folks frustrations.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

He does not look dominant at all. Pitchers do not seem very concerned when he comes up. They go right at him and that’s a bad sign.

MarineLayer
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7 hours ago

Trout also makes it easy by looking at strike one down the middle, and swinging at strike three outside the zone. He needs to adjust his approach to have a chance. Plus, please go see an optometrist, even if it turns out his eyes are okay.

Charles Sutton
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6 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

He has done OK against deGrom in a small sample. Maybe tomorrow we can have something to be excited about.

RexFregosi
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

22-game on-base streaks are so last week!

(besides being boring)

Marshallx89
Member
8 hours ago

Not sure why it took me so long to admit it but good lord Mike Trout is washed. 0-10 with 7 k’s in the cubs series.

MarineLayer
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8 hours ago

I don’t need to see TA, Hendrix, and Victor anymore. How about bringing up the kids like Klassen, Dane, and whoever for 25ish innings to see if they have anything. Or are we still teing to be obviously competitive?

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
9 hours ago

Small sample size, but mederos doesn’t look like a future rotation piece.

GrandpaBaseball
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9 hours ago

Learning process.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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He’s fine. Other than the shoulder issue. That’s not fine.

Has a lot of movement on his pitches and mixes them up well. That’s good. But the strike zone areas he gets to work with in the MLB are far smaller and he needs to adjust to that or he’s a 5.00 ERA starter. It’s not like he can’t do that, he’s just not done it yet.

He’s not gonna be an ace by any stretch, but he has tools that could make for a handy dandy back end guy. If he’s healthy and he can learn to make his pitches go where the iPad says they need to go he can be solid.

MarineLayer
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Victor is arguable, but there is no argument about TA and Kyle. Let’s thank them for their service, and move on to the future.

Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I have nothing but appreciation for Hendricks. At some point, time will catch up with every athlete, but it’s a pleasure to watch him pitch and outthink batters when it’s all working. It’s also fun to see a career that started in Newport Beach, and ran through Dartmouth and Chicago, before making it back to the OC.

We’re doing road trips right now to check out colleges for my son, who turns 17 this fall. Dartmouth’s beautiful – it’s just so damn remote.

Fansince1971
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6 hours ago
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As a Dartmouth graduate, I can tell you it is a very unique experience. Unique in a very good way. The student body is generally remarkably close and the bonds made are lifetime solid. Being remote may seem like a bad thing but I felt it was a positive. A small school with a great faculty and outdoorsy type students who are super smart. A one-of-a-kind college experience in a small town built around the college.

Check out the Dartmouth Outing Club opportunities which are super cool. For example, students have free access to cabins up and own the Connecticut River – we used to canoe out to a cabin and spend the weekend with a campfire and beer during the late spring. Sophomore summer is spent on campus with only your class – a fantastic tradition which brought our classmates very close together. Highly recommend.

Last edited 6 hours ago by Fansince1971
Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago
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I hear you – though having grown up his whole life in the middle of LA, my son seems to want to thread the needle between remote village and urban metro.

He wasn’t taken with Williams – which we thought would be a good fit (he’s got the grades and extracurriculars to have a few options). Of a dozen schools we’ve visited, he seems to be fixated on Brown/Providence of late. I think it’s a right-size city, and very different from what he knows.

Fansince1971
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

What’s the color of 💩?

That’s what we used to yell during sporting events against Brown.

Great school for sure. Can’t go wrong.

I chose Dartmouth over Williams and Princeton. Definitely was not taken with Williams at all. Princeton was too geeky for me.

Turk's Teeth
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5 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Princeton definitely seems the land of try-hards these days.

Fansince1971
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2 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I would agree. Incredibly formative and I would think in this crazy world, even more so today.

Fansince1971
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11 hours ago

Over the last decade+, the Angels have basically been like C- students in high school at around 74 wins. One quarter the team got F’s (2024’s 63 wins). Then the next quarter they were back to averaging C- (2025)

Those who are praising this team’s “improvement” over the 63 wins are like the parents of that C- student who buy him a car to reward him for improving from the quarter where he averaged an F.

Returning back to the number of wins you have averaged for a decade after a terrible season is not really improvement by any metric other than wishful parents.

Last edited 11 hours ago by Fansince1971
GrandpaBaseball
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9 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

O’Hoppe should be a DH or LFer, and I hope the GM can see how defense cost us games and positive numbers for the pitching staff. It’s time to re-think how he looks at things when evaluating players, he brings in.

MarineLayer
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8 hours ago

I’m super glad we traded Quero for nothing so we have no other options!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

We traded Quero because we had a definite shot at resigning Ohtani, who we had not traded because you don’t trade Bade Root. Plus we were contending. You don’t give up on a contending team and give them the sads. Not when CtPG Guy will soak his manpon with tears because we have a play off drought plus Ohtani mom will frown at the evil. Also. The Trout window.

The guys we traded for were among the best options available at the time. They all shit the bed. But that’s more because of fan juju than PTP not seeing it coming.

It’s a fact. You have to actually give up good stuff to even try to gtet good stuff. It’s just a fact that CtPG Guy doesn’t seem to understand.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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With pine scenting too!

https://pin.it/1BvDUVWB1

Last edited 7 hours ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
MarineLayer
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7 hours ago

I don’t think we ever did. Supposedly, Ohtani’s agent reached out to Arturo for a match, and Arturo rejected it. It was a very friendly offer to the team. Arturo will be dead and buried before the bulk of the money will be paid.

Also, the weird personal insults just aren’t necessary. Just like you, we are random fans just expressing opinions.

2pints
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7 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Gitch wrapping up every “bad” idea on this site as being expressed by a single CtPG entity he can argue against is his biggest flaw in making his arguments, IMO.

Last edited 7 hours ago by 2pints
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Oh come on. I have bigger flaws than THAT!

Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago

We’re going to have to come up with a verb for CtPG guy overuse though.

I’m thinking: MacGuyvering.

‘Cuz it usually comes when you’re tinkering about to make a point with spare goods and remnant inventory, but it’s not always clear that the solution won’t explode in your face.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

It’s just easier than saying “You are a dumbfk with stupid ideas that you push really hard.” Shorter too.

It also allows for replying to a guy about something he isn’t necessarily pushing but it’s related to something a fan of boisterous temperament, impressive volume and limited intelligence has been saying.

Also. If I actually site specific people, like MuttLynch or JeremyCupcake then you get endless “well I never when did I, let me assplain, write me a book report about my dumb thoughts” replies. And I don’t care enough about people to sit through that.

CtPG Guy really only hurts if you know, deep down inside, you are probably CtPG Guy.

2pints
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5 hours ago

true, but I didn’t want to bring up your eyebrows

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2pints

HOW DARE YOU! Insult my majestic eye tufts!

Fansince1971
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6 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Ouch. Too soon.

Turk's Teeth
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6 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That mistake really bit quickly. I always thought Quero would be an MLB contributor, but wasn’t confident he’d do it so quickly. Just a year after being traded he’s already an everyday catcher – probably a 2-4 WAR player over several of the next seasons.

.285/.350/.382 in his 22 yr old rookie season is better than anything the Angels currently have on deck over the next couple years.

Six affordable seasons sold for six starts from a pitcher with a 4.43 FIP, traded to a team with 17% playoff odds.

Roy Hobbs
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9 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

You are much more optimistic than I am. If the team becomes B students, it won’t be because of those guys. Unfortunately, I don’t necessarily think that’s a good thing because I don’t think those players are nearly as good as people think they are. For all the raving about Neto, and I do think he’s a good player, he’s pretty much the same hitter he was last year and so is Nolan. O’Hoppe has gotten worse every year and is terrible this year. Adel is having a good year this year but will be gone in 2 years. If they’re all here for years to come, it could insure we remain the team that we currently are. Neto is the only one I would keep of the position players you mention. We need to see what Soriano does next year. Even having a down year he has remained above average and his FIP is currently 3.70, which is very good.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It is true. A sliver of goodness. This year is different because, instead of Ohtani sucking all the air out of the room and FA support players looking miserable and bored from June 1st onward while Trout gets hurt in April we have a team that has mostly sucked together.

THIS at least gives us a clear sense of what we are working with. Adell, for example. I think I am ready to believe he’s an MLB player. Maybe he gets better, maybe he gets traded. But this year made me sure he’s a guy that fills a spot. Same with Nolan, who I do still think will get a little better with age. Neto is clearly good.

O’Hoppe is clearly an important member of the clubhouse and will likely be held onto and invested in to try to make him a little better.

So that’s nice. The same C- but it’s with a group with lower expectations who showed development as a team unit to get that C-. And that’s a fairly important distinction.

Buuuuuttt…. things get a lot less happy when you look at the fact that the work that has been done on the road to building a contender just sort of peters out like the roads in Las Vegas used to do back in the 1980s. We pushed ourselves a little as an org, but didn’t really do the hard painful stuff needed to actually achieve much.

Things can change fast. Say Bremner and Klassen suddenly turn out to be viable in the next year and a half. Add that to Koochi and Soriano. That’s a different situation.

Say the mountain of pen arms shakes out to having five pretty good relivers. Hell, this is actually semi-likely given the shear number of arms we are talking about. Again, the team looks very different if this happens.

Most magic of all. Say Moore manages a .700 OPS. And some other young player comes along who can do the same. And some FA retread works out well at 3B for more than 70 games. Now you have some gas.

Problem is that I know for A FACT that the same logic is being applied to the Rays, Guardians and A’s, who have a lot more prospects to point to. The Reds fan site is ablaze with “just wait for next year” juice. I don’t follow them at all but the Giants are likely thinking the same way. Other than the Rockies there is hardly a team out there that doesn’t look just a few lucky breaks away from contending.

And they all have farms. We don’t.

So it’s a more positive C- than past years. And it’ll likely progress to be a positive C+ at some point and we can all celebrate getting there without tearing it down but just shooting loads all over it.

We will celebrate finally finishing above .500. Then all we have to is ignore the fact that the A’s are finishing ahead of us and we are just the best last place team in baseball.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
8 hours ago

I think that’s pretty accurate.

red floyd
Legend
3 hours ago

we are just the best last place team in baseball

We’ve been there before. We finished in the cellar in ’91 with a .500 (81-81) record.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
13 hours ago

Front runners currently are Nashville and Salt Lake City, now where have all the pitchers gone? Is Ray Montgomery, you know, the bench coach turned manager, does he still have a Job?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Can’t wait to throw another shit on the grill and watch the Angels make Monty a for real thing. What manager do you think is gonna come here? If I had options, as a player or manager, I’d go anywhere else. The bad juju is real. The Heim is a place where talent, health and enjoyment of the game goes to die for anyone in uniform.

Same with this mythical GM that will speak truth to Arte and do the smart thing, ownership be damned. If that were the standard I have to meet in order for these shitbag morons who root for a team to like me a little I’d rather just go to Miami.

Arte has at least yielded on the “big splash” front. Our only hope is that he eventually caves in on the “we don’t rebuild” front at some point. Or he dies.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
13 hours ago

Sticking to sports, it’s par for the course that after two starts Maderos is on the IL. I guess the Cubs showed us a thing or two and ex Asstro Tucker who is supposed to be having and odd season this year showed he still likes Angels’ pitching. Sign him during the off-season Arturo. Nolan, get well soon Dude. Ward is ova 30 HRs and he will be worth a lot in the off season. So, tell me again, why should we not trade Ward for prospects, I forget.

Good Morning all, have a fun day and a great week.

steelgolf
Legend
13 hours ago

Don’t sign Tucker, he only feasts off of Angels pitching, if you sign him, you take away his buffet and then he becomes just a defensive player with a Mendoza line at the plate. Vernone Wells part deux!

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
12 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

He’s also feasted on the rest of the AL West, so maybe he’d be worth it.
Team OPS
LAA 1.750
SEA 1.500
HOU 1.154
ATH 1.154
TEX .845

steelgolf
Legend
11 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

He has “pumpkin” written all over him.

MarineLayer
Legend
8 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Ha ha. So true.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
12 hours ago

Until we have a farm system that is consistently producing top 100 talent like, for example, the Dodgers, we should not sign FA’s that will cause us to lose draft selections.

We’re not close to having the talent necessary to legitimately contend yearly. Build the farm, then use free agency to close roster gaps.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
11 hours ago

Sad thing is, the opportunity is there but when we draft, we just pick other guys. Perry has had 5 years to improve the farm system. As bad as it was, just compare the farm when he took over with now. It’s even worse. Our best position player prospects are guys like Guzman and Rada and we have virtually nothing after that. Perry has been awful.

Not sure what Arte’s motivation is for continuing to own the team. He can sell it for multiple billions. Perhaps it’s just all the financial advantages of owning a sports franchise or it gives him something to fill his time with.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Or maybe Arte is a troll who loves infuriating us.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

 😂 

MarineLayer
Legend
8 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

A human interest story instead of Ethan Holliday or ten other guys. I shake my head. I don’t care has “extra money” to sign relievers in later rounds. We need position MLB starters.

2pints
Trusted Member
7 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Arte will die before he lets a new owner cash in on redeveloping the area around the stadium. At this point I don’t think he even cares about the team, its all about the surrounding real estate. He’s biding his time for Anaheim to elect another corrupt mayor that’ll give Arte the sweetheart deal he had a few years ago.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 hours ago

You are right but does that mean the blueprint you layout is going to happen? Just the opposite really. PTP likes to draft undervalue and then spend more on the less believing that he is the smartest guy in the room. Having even an over-priced RFer is move entertainment than hoping that some low rated AA player matures into a average JOE. We will unlikely ever have the #1-#4 pick again for a long while. We have the #96 best for that. So, building a system that we can trade from won’t come from the draft but most likely from FAgency. Trading Ward now should bring something(s) of value rather than watching him age out.

MarineLayer
Legend
8 hours ago

I missed your comment but what you say is SO true. Is Minasian smarter than everyone else in baseball? No. He’s the guy at the poker table that doesn’t know he’s the sucker. I know he’s just Arturo’s intern but we need a better intern.

red floyd
Legend
3 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

That’s why I don’t play poker… I know I’m the sucker at the table.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

We can’t really even get all that much in a Ward trade now. That ship sailed back when we were all in.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

We missed the window on the Unicorn, Ward, and Heefo.

Unless the team is willing to trade Neto or Soriano, and to a lesser degree Schanuel, our players will not fetch grade 50+ talent in return.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Yep. We are sadly onto the next pile of talent that we need to decide to trade while they have value or hold onto and reload around.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

But the farm way takes too long and I’m old.

Oh wait. I mean, Arte is cheap and we don’t develop players. So don’t do that farm thing. Sign baseball menz.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Why the Fk would we sign Tucker right now?

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
7 hours ago

What the Fk was I thinking? Let’s hold on to Ward so we won’t need another player who has 5 tools and save that money to invest in the team and system. We all know that Artie will always do the right thing, besides we have a whole slew of promotable OFers to bring up. I know I was just dreaming anyway and felt that I just wanted to Fk up on something today instead of switching hands and gaining a stroke, damn, you can’t take me anywhere, I might just wander away. 😄 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

It’s a real question. Why would you sign the most expensive FA in a class to a team with a dozen holes in the roster? So he can be 37 years old when the rest of the team is good? Why do you think this is a good idea? All you get is “same old team” plus a $40M a year guy who gets you five extra wins per year and costs you a draft pick.

In short, if Arte is stupid, and this would be a very classic Arte move to make, what does this add up to?

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