LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: No Man’s Land

Here is a mock draft by Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo. They have the Angels going for left-hander Kade Anderson with the second pick overall. Mike Trout is not ready to return to right field. Spoiler alert! It’s because his knee is still sore. Fangraphs power ranking has the Angels at the top of “Tier 5” AKA “No Man’s Land.” They did note that the Angels swept the Dodgers and beat up on the Yankees.

Phase one of the All Star voting ends in two days. If Mike Trout gets voted in as an outfielder, do you suppose he will just get one at bat and briefly stand out there in right?

Cardinals broadcaster Chip Caray used an anti-gay slur during a broadcast but he won’t be punished. It has apparently been ruled an “honest mistake.”

The Astros are looking for a left handed bat. I don’t think the Angels could realistically get them to pay anything for Rengifo or Moncada right now. The Angels need Schanuel. This is more trade speculation. (The Yankees are looking for bullpen help). The Mets already got it. They signed Richard Lovelady to a major league deal. The Reds designated Jeimer Candelario for assignment. The Twins just claimed right-hander Connor Gillispie off waivers from the Marlins. The Orioles suddenly have catcher problems so they selected the contract of Chadwick Tromp. The Cubs selected the contract of Michael Fulmer. The Diamondbacks DFAd Aramis Garcia in the wake of signing James McCann.

The Athletics broke ground on their Las Vegas stadium yesterday. There was a bit of a ceremony. Rob Manfred was apparently there.

In the Athletes Unlimited Softball League, the Talons performed an unusual 4-3 putout against the Volts. The four teams of the league are not particularly affiliated with any cities right now. The teams in the league are barnstorming around the country this season. AUSL FAQ. You can probably catch them on The Ocho.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Turk's Teeth
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4 hours ago

Klassen has really not been the same pitcher since his concussion. 7 earned runs in today’s game, and couldn’t finish the second inning. He hasn’t pitched more than three innings in four of his last five starts and leaves today’s game with a 6.85 ERA. (He had already been struggling somewhat in May before the concussion.)

Urena has given up 10 runs over 5 IP in his least two starts. Aldegheri (5.11, ERA, 6.61 ERA in June) and Dana (6.23 ERA, 8 ERA in June) have taken significant steps backward.

What seemed to be a rare emerging strength for the Angels farm is now becoming a clear weakness again. Given the contracts of Anderson and Hendricks are up this year, and Koch is still struggling with consistency (5.49 ERA, 1.55 WHIP), it’s looking like a two man rotation with gaps to the next men up (Hurtado, Cortez, Johnson), each looking more like SIRP or MIRP than 6 inning starters.

More reason than ever to draft one of the polished college arms this year. Ideally the Nats take a bat and Kade Anderson falls into the Angels laps. Then they can go deep on bats through the fifth or sixth round.

tanana40
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Roy Hobbs
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5 hours ago
Reply to  tanana40

There is one player in tonight’s lineup who is hitting higher than.233. That used to be maybe the lowest batting average. There are 4 players hitting .210 or less. It’s definitely a different time.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 hours ago

This will be unpopular with many but what if the Angels could acquire Alex Bregman to both give this year a shot and potentially improve going forward. He is currently under contract for only 2 years after this year and has the ability to opt out. If the Angels could get Boston to pay 10M of his salary per year, He would be reasonable acquisition for just the next two years with no long term commitment. It would all depend on the cost but they would be taking 30M a year off the Boston payroll. It would give the team a couple more years to find a 3B and provide a much needed bat. I don’t know if it could even be done. Just trying to about creative solutions for ways to improve.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

A lot of baseball players are assholes. In fact, Bregman seems to be the kind of asshole CtPG Guy loves to death, other than the cheating, which some Angels assholes have also probably done, and him kicking our ass.

I don’t mind the idea of that asshole joining our assholes.

What I don’t want is to “build” by trading kids to land a guy who will cost a lot or leave all together this winter.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
6 hours ago

I completely agree with that. I don’t even know what Boston’s plans are for the next year or two. If they were looking for Salary relief, and they may not be, it might work with the right deal but, as you say, I would not give up future assets.

milehigh
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

From what I read about Bregman this morning I think his annual salary is $40m. So even if Boston were to give him away we’d take on another high salary. And we need to extend Neto which is more important to me than Bregman even though Bregman is quite good.

Repeating my crappy chirp from before, I’d prefer to find possibly good MiLB 3b like Jonathon Long (Cubs) or Otto Kemp (Phillies) for the future and sign Moncada in the meantime. Of course Moncada is not on the field so that plan has a big hole.

AngelsFanInHell
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I’m on board as long as the Halos still trade Ward, Anderson, Rengifo, Soler and Trout (although it would break my heart for a while). Halos need depth in the organization.

Phil
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7 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

My two thoughts:

No, because Bregman is 31-y/o (just 2 years younger than Trout), and his stats in the last 4 years have been declining. He’s had 2 fabulous years (2018-19) that may or may not have been aided by outside influences (trashcans, video cameras, etc).

Yes, if Boston pays $10M/yr, and we only need to pay $15M/yr for 2026 and 2027 (and whatever pro-rate portion for 2025) AND if we do not need to trade away our best prospects. They can have Rengifo, Soler, Kingery, Newman.

We won’t get to the playoffs with the addition of Bregman, because we have too many other holes – below average fielding, average starting pitching, average hitting.
But, I do admit Bregman would be an improvement.

angelsown3417
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8 hours ago

Such a big win last night knowing we have to face Crochet tonight. Gonna be a tall task.

2002heaven
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10 hours ago

Kade Anderson (SEC just like college FB) strongest in college BB, step in the right direction. No more bullpens and catchers PLZ!!!! If you want to lose games in the 9th inning by walkoff HRs then go for 🐂 s.
BYE!!!

JackFrost
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11 hours ago

Taking inspiration from the NHL and their “3 Stars of the Game,” I’d like to assign those stars for last night’s game ……

# 1 Star : Reid Detmers: Him coming in during a tense 7th inning with the Red Sox seriously threatening with traffic all over and the go ahead run at third with only one out, and giving up nothing was the turning point in the game. The Angels probably don’t win without that performance.

# 2 Star : Zach Neto : He got the offense off and running with his solo shot to lead off the bottom of the 1st and immediately deny Buehler the shut down inning. Overall Zach went 3-4 with two runs scored and two rbi’s.

# 3 Star : Christian Moore : His AB in the bottom of the 8th was epic, as he fouled off some really tough two strike pitches before delivering a sac fly to give us the lead 6-5. It was a lead the Angels would not relinquish.

Last edited 11 hours ago by JackFrost
AngelsFanInHell
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7 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Trade Moore now! This will be his highest value ever.

JackFrost
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6 hours ago

Ha ha. Good one.

2pints
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11 hours ago

Fun game last night. Had front row seats behind home plate, apologies you had to see me every pitch.

SchofieldsWalkoff
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9 hours ago
Reply to  2pints

So we have you to thank for Buehlers performance.
Well done sir.

Last edited 9 hours ago by SchofieldsWalkoff
2pints
Trusted Member
8 hours ago

100%, he couldn’t focus due to the handsome man lingering behind hp.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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The good news is that Dick Lovelady is still in the MLB extended universe.

Cowboy26
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11 hours ago

….And my apologies to her.

FungoAle
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11 hours ago

It’s time for the GIF of the falling sausages

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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10 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

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FungoAle
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9 hours ago

Ms. Lovelady, it’s been awhile. I see nothing has changed.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I think we need to investigate how Arte and Perry have managed to destroy one of my favorite non-Angels teams, the Arizona Diamondbacks.

Puk out. Martinez out. Moreno, out at catcher. Corbin Burnes, TJS. Now Corbin Carroll HBP and a busted wrist. Obviously doesn’t want to play baseball enough. Out on IL.

How did the Angels FO manage to infiltrate Mike Hazen’s mind and make it so that the FO was too cheap and shortsighted to prepare to lose it’s best two pen arms, best hitter, ace starter and starting catcher all at once? Real organizations have replacements for all those guys ready to go. I know this. CtPG Guy has explained it to me over and over again.

He’s also explained that orgs other than the Angels pull this off and that the Angels FO are God’s special idiots when half our starters, most of our “star” hitters, and even half our bullpen and roll player options are injured and the team collapses. Other teams POBOEIEIOs have the org ready to deal with stuff like this. So the D-Backs issues MUST be linked to Arte’s special brand of evil right? Arizona? TJS? All things Arte likes?

Dig a little deeper sheeple.

RexFregosi
Super Member
12 hours ago

easy enough explanation. He was an OG owner as a minority shareholder in the Arizona Diamondbacks in 1996, when he was one of the original investors in the team. He owned 5.3% of the team and offered to buy a majority stake after the 2001 season, but the then-owner, Jerry Colangelo, rejected his offer. Moreno then sold his interest in the Diamondbacks in November of that year.

Cowboy26
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11 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

he also got cross ways with Jerry because Arte hated the deferred contracts they signed with the Big Unit and others.

Sound familiar?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  RexFregosi

But how is he still pulling the strings? His powers are amazing.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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10 hours ago

The fallout from their bomb in Anaheim drifted east and is leaking on Phoenix

2002heaven
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8 hours ago

By taking college catchers and SPs in 250th rd on work release.

Jeff Joiner
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13 hours ago

Not only 8 first round picks on the field last night.

Silent C was a third round pick of the Angels.
Former first rounder CJ Cron was traded for Luis Rengifo
Second rounder Brandon Marsh was traded for Logan O’Hoppe

Still not a lot of contributions from the later rounds, but at least the top of the draft is helping.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I kind of feel like if those guys pan out to be useful (and Rengifo nets us a couple prospects) then we have escaped the consequences of all the abuse we heaped on the farm during the Ohtani era. Very lucky.

But we still REALLY REALLY need to get a functional development system going. Which we may be working on. Everyone on the farm sucks now, but maybe they are trying to make changes.

It’s only one example, but it makes me sad that Kyreeen Paris went to SLC and hit .188 this far….

Pineapple12
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13 hours ago

Paris, who figures to be in the major leagues for two or three days while Newman is on the paternity list, was hitting .188 with a .703 OPS in 23 games at Triple-A since he was demoted last month.

Paris said he’s been working on “being on time, more consistent, getting pitches early in the count and making sure I put the ball in play more often.”

Paris, 23, was one of the most surprising stories of the first couple weeks of the season, winning a spot on the Opening Day roster and then hitting .419 with five homers and an OPS of 1.514 in his first 12 games.

After that, though, he hit .116 with 52 strikeouts in 102 plate appearances in the next 31 games, before he was sent back to Triple-A.

Acting manager Ray Montgomery said Paris was making some progress in his work in the cage before he was sent down, and he’s continued to do so, even though it hasn’t shown up yet in the numbers.

Montgomery said Paris has been working to shorten up his swing, and generally adjust to the way major league pitchers were working him.

One tangible improvement he’s made at Triple-A is his 16% walk rate, which is just about double the rate he had in the majors.

“Just making sure that I stick to my approach and swing at balls in the zone,” Paris said. “That’s something that I’m proud of that I’ve improved.”

He’s cut his strikeout rate from 42% in the majors to 27% at Triple-A.

https://www.ocregister.com/2025/06/23/kyren-paris-back-with-angels-temporarily-after-more-struggles-in-triple-a/

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

Yup. I hope he hits. I like him. But that blurb was 95% cope. The bright side of hitting .188.

toad2065
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11 hours ago

But look around MLB. The list of guys hitting near the Mendoza Line is unbelievable! By the way, shouldn’t the Mendoza Line be updated to become someone else’s line? No disrespect to Mario.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  toad2065

Oh. Ok. Clearly Paris is ready to start for the Angels then. Of course, by these measurements, Scott Kingery should be winning the MVP soon.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
11 hours ago

Have some more coffee

Roy Hobbs
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

He also plays great defense and steals bases. If we can get him fixed, he has great potential value. I would rather suffer with Paris in CF and Moore at 2B than watch the other guys.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Well, I would be fine with giving either of them the “Adell Treatment” and telling em they’re just gonna play long term and they can take time figuring stuff out etc. IF THEY ACTUALLY FIGURE THINGS OUT.

Problem is, if you look at Adells MiLB numbers, they are very different from Kyreeeen and Moore’s. There wasn’t much point in parking Adell in SLC. And over the course of the year last year he did indeed develop both defensively and at the plate. Not into GREAT but he got better and better as the year ended. That trend seems to be continuing, fingers crossed.

That’s different than taking a couple kids with obvious flaws that are eating them up in AAA and sending em out to get their faces punched in every night by middling MLB pitchers….. for four months. If it starts to look like that’s what is happening and they don’t adjust they should go to SLC.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
11 hours ago

I don’t disagree except Jo was around for years doing nothing before last year.

JackFrost
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Agree. As far as I am concerned Newman can stay on paternity leave and never come back.

Cowboy26
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Sorry but I want Nada other than Rada

FungoAle
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

There is no way this guy should be back so soon

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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10 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

He stopped giving the good rum and Cuban cigars to Jobu after the first couple of weeks of the season.

The magic is gone.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
11 hours ago

Thus far only the Quero trade has really hurt the team. Ky Bush could still be good but if he needed TJ in Chicago he’d need it here.

The number of first rounders on the active squad also shines a light on just how horribly stupid the Wil Wilson pick was with both George Kirby and Corbin Carroll on the board.

Change that one pick and this team is over .500 right now instead of under it.

smithy610
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’ve always thought the era of Pujols/Wilson/Greinke/Hamilton etc., was much more harmful to the farm than what happened during the Ohtani era. The team only bought ONCE during his 6 years here. All the other 5 years they were in a selling position. So did that one time to indulge that guy really hurt the present and future of the Angels? We can argue infinitely about how they should have traded him but it didn’t happen and so we move on.

IMO, the lack of higher drafts during the time Arte was spending money hurt the Angels more. They weren’t replenishing fast enough, while the likes of the trash cans, As and Mariners were reloading. Sure, over the years we got some kind of mix of Patrick Sandoval, Nick Tropeano, Hector Santiago, Dylan Bundy, Parker Bridwell, Ty Buttrey, etc. on trades. But other than Sandoval, who is arguably between mediocre to just a tad above average, no one has really made a lasting impact.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  smithy610

What harmed us in the Ohtani era was drafting to try to get guys who would help the team fast so Ohtani would smile. I don’t mean #1 picks, I mean everyone combined. Lot’s of “he could be in the pen by the end of the year” types. Lot’s of not drafting IF because we needed Rendon to come back since we’d signed him for the Ohtani window. That type of stuff. The focus was still very “fk them picks”.

smithy610
Super Member
7 hours ago

It seems revisionist to me because the significant Ohtani era was really short – it was just 2021-2023. From 2018-2020, he was just another player on the team. No one was really planning the Angels’ future around Ohtani, especially after his disastrous 2020 season, where nobody knew if he could even pitch and hit effectively again after the season ended. When Rendon was signed, he was billed to add offense for Mike Trout, not the other guy.

For that unprecedented 2021 all pitchers draft, I never thought that that for Ohtani’s benefit. I would argue it’s probably because his status as a pitcher was highly questionable that they overcompensated looking for future replacements and additions.

The 2022 draft notables were Neto, Joyce, Caden Dana, among others. Most everyone thought Neto was an excellent pick, Joyce was a worthy risk, and Caden has a promising future even if still far away. Doesn’t exactly scream “For Ohtani!!!”

I would argue that only the 2023 draft was the one done specifically with Ohtani in mind, getting Nolan so they can fast track him to the bigs and plug holes faster. Which indirectly led to the delusional buyer strategy at the deadline.

But other than 2023 I never felt like the Angels concentrated their draft capital and strategy to appease one man. If anything, most of the complaints during the Eppler and Minasian draft eras were that the Angels were drafting too high ceiling/risky players – Adell, Adams, Paris (Eppler), or solid but unspectacular like Bachman and Schanuel (Perry).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  smithy610

People were worried about keeping Ohtani as soon as we got him. Sure, he wasn’t the lone worry (Trout) but he was an obvious window that we really wanted to hit, and we tried all kinds of crap from signing Rendon to signing support guys like Drury to drafting pitchers to rush up and support what we thought would be a potent offense if anyone had ever been healthy…. then drafting guys like Neto and Shanuel to fill holes fast.

It wasn’t all Ohtani, but the time clock had his face on it.

Jeff Joiner
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4 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

The all pitcher draft of 2021 was for Ohtani. The goal was to create at least a home grown bullpen in short order. Multiple college closers were drafted and even Bachman seemed destined for the bullpen.

Most of Perry’s drafts feature a lot of “probably relievers” with short paths to the bigs as well. 2023 had Schanuel, 2 third basemen, and a bunch of hopeful relievers as a top 10.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
4 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

The fact those two eras went back to back is brutal. Multiple years without high draft picks followed by multiple years of being sellers at the trade deadline created a system devoid of any real talent.

FungoAle
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

The 8 first round picks being on the field feels a bit muted as compared to an accumulation of late round picks made by the team. It’s those guys that come from nowhere that can really boost a team.

RexFregosi
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Besides Cron>>Giffy, the 2011 MLB Draft gave us three other first rounders that are on the roster. (Rendon, Stephenson, Anderson)

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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10 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

What is a “Rendon”?

red floyd
Legend
9 hours ago

Former Speaker of the California State Assembly?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It’s sincerely great that this many of our draft choices are playing in the majors, not many teams can say this. It’s unfortunate that our homegrown talent has THUS FAR resulted in a team struggling to play .500 ball.

We still need better players to win a championship.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
7 hours ago

Agreed. The lack of an impact late round pick is evident. The failure to develop more homegrown pitching depth is being masked by the health of the starting rotation.

We need more. Which is exactly why I’d trade Ward, Rengifo, Anderson, and more for AA prospects and snag a CBA pick or two.

smithy610
Super Member
6 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Agreed. The lack of an impact late round pick is evident.

100%. And not even pitchers, but I miss the days when the Angels would find diamonds in the rough in later rounds, such as Howie Kendrick (10th rd), Mark Trumbo (18th rd), Peter Bourjos (10th rd), or amateur FA signees like Kendrys Morales and Francisco Rodriguez.

Kevin
Trusted Member
14 hours ago

To state the obvious, the Halos need to find one new hitter that can get hits or at least make decent contact with guys on base. It’s a pervasive issue.

Pineapple12
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13 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin

w/RISP = .250/.313 /.418
runner on 1st = .226/.300/.386
runner on 2nd = .269/.354/.469
runner on 3rd = .289/.370/.526
runners on 1st+2nd = .235/.328/.353
runners on 1st+3rd = .164/.194 /.291
runners on 2nd+3rd = .300/.431/.450
bases loaded = .250/.329/.464

Last edited 13 hours ago by Pineapple12
TrojanBoiler
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Those are team stats? Actually not as bad as I would have guessed.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Yeah. That’s what I thought. I was expecting a .291 in a few more spots.

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
12 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Just curious
On the 1+3, do you know how many time the runner from 3rd scored on the “productive out”?

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
12 hours ago

Couldn’t find the scoring tally but found they were 8th in the league in Productive Outs
(With 0 outs – an out that advances a runner
With 1 out – an out scores a run)

Couldn’t find the stat anywhere else
https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/productive?tp=team

Pineapple12
Legend
12 hours ago

I’ve finally started actually working for the day haha. Here’s what I got real quick:

runners on 1st+3rd, 0 out
10 PA
.400 / .300 / .1000
1 single
1 HR
4 SFs
1 BB
1 K
1 GIDP
1 reached on error
9 RBIs

runners on 1st+3rd, 1 out
23 PA
.222 / .217 / .389
3 singles
1 HR
4 SFs
1 BB
9 Ks
1 GIDP
13 RBIs

source: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=LAA&year=2025

Last edited 12 hours ago by Pineapple12
SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That doesn’t look as atrocious as the slash line suggested.

Thanks for looking it up.

Last edited 11 hours ago by SchofieldsWalkoff
Pineapple12
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11 hours ago

Runners on 1st+3rd with 2 outs is really really really excruciatingly bad lol —
34 PA
.094 / .147 / .125

That drags down the overall 1+3 slash line

Last edited 11 hours ago by Pineapple12
RexFregosi
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Good data – I see Trout is hitting .306 and Neto, Schanny, above him. Hop is OK too, but there is a big drop off to our #4 hitter, Ward, .233.

Maybe Lugo has the ‘clutch’ gene.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/tools/split_stats_team.cgi?full=1&params=bases%7CRISP%7CLAA%7C2025%7Cbat%7CAB%7C

Last edited 11 hours ago by RexFregosi
Kevin
Trusted Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Thanks. The issue with stats is they take into account games when 13 runs are scored and the like. So some numbers can look better than expected. When you watch daily, you see the inability to get productive outs, get timely hits, and to move runners consistently. That’s the real issue.

Pineapple12
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11 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin

Are you saying the issue with these stats is that they also include our good at-bats?

I’m not arguing that we are a good offense, because we aren’t. I’m all about the eye test, but it’s okay to admit we aren’t as bad as you may have thought before looking at the numbers. I agree we have huge room for improvement.

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin

As far as productive outs goes the Angels are 8th in the league in Productive Outs%

Outs – 210
Chances – 637
Success% – 0.330

The Nats lead the league
Outs – 207
Chances – 563
Success% – 0.368

Link

Last edited 10 hours ago by SchofieldsWalkoff
TrojanBoiler
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin

So we are supposed to throw out the games where the team performs well to make the stats look worse than they are? I am not following the logic.

Does that mean we also have to not include the games where we scored less than 3 runs? We wouldn’t want all those bad performances tainting the statistics…

Sports fans tend to have a strong negativity bias– they over-emphasize the negatives and forget or downplay the positives. In the games where we performed well, the team is actually performing well. It does count.

RexFregosi
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin

one new hitter that can get hits or at least make decent contact with guys on base

Godspeed Anthony.

smithy610
Super Member
14 hours ago

Looking at the stats of the crazy game last night, the Angels had 11 walks to 8 Ks! I wonder when’s the last time that happened.

And even crazier when you break down who got most of the 11 walks:

WARD – FOUR!!!
Trout – 3
Rengifo – 3

The oft-maligned players of the team got on base 10 times yesterday! 🤯

Angelz4ever
Super Member
14 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

Didn’t Neeeeefo double his season walks last night?

Those walks directly led to a cake walk.

Last edited 14 hours ago by Angelz4ever
JackFrost
Legend
12 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

The walks are important. We need more of them ; they produce traffic on the bases and runs. They also allow what otherwise would be solo HRs be 2 run or 3 run HRs. Last night the walks themselves even drove in runs (Taylor Ward and Rengifo). So, for the people attacking Mike and Taylor for taking pitches down the middle, understand that in order to draw walks and drive up the opposing pitchers pitch count you need to take pitches, some of which wil be strikes…

Here are the OBP and Walks leaders for the Angels on the season. Minimum of 50 games played:

Angels OBP

  1. Schanuel : .366 76 GP
  2. Trout : .330 52 GP
  3. Neto : .322 60 GP

Angels Walks

  1. Schanuel : 34 76 GP
  2. Trout : 29 52 GP
  3. Ward : 29 76 GP
  4. Soler : 22 67 GP

What stands out here is that Nolan Schanuel is exemplary in getting on base. But we all already knew that. What perhaps many of us have overlooked is that Mike Trout still the ability to get on base via the walk, and his rate of .557 BB’s per game leads the team, even ahead of Nolan who is at .447 BB’s per game. Now if he could just get a few more hits n RISP situations..

FungoAle
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

This team does need more walks (i.e. improve the team OBA).

Buehler was the horrible. Even the most impatient hitter will walk when pitchers miss the strike zone by a large margin. Last night was an outlier for sure. I’m not convinced this will re-occur.

MarineLayer
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10 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Everyone but d’Arnaud who went fishing and fouled out on a first pitch WAY out of the strike zone.

JackFrost
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9 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Agree that Buehler was incredibly generous with walks last night. That said, the numbers I listed above are for the whole season to date, or close to it. Trout and Schanuel are both pretty good at drawing walks. The two of them and perhaps Ward as well are the only guys that are though.

That needs to change.

toad2065
Trusted Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

Ward and Trout regularly look like they aren’t ready to hit. Buehler was so epically bad last night that their normal K’s magically turned into walks. We witnessed a miracle on the level of “water into wine”!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
14 hours ago

Let’s keep rollin’ over the RedSux-So good not to have to face Devers

smithy610
Super Member
15 hours ago

Have the Angels found the backend of their bullpen?!

7-Bachman
8-Joyce (when he’s healthy)
9-Detmers

Out of the 3, Detmers has the best “closer” stuff, IMO. I know he envisioned himself to be an ace starter, but what if closer is his true calling?! Closer has become a glamour role in the game anyway, so I think Reid should take it with great pride if he is asked to close games when Jansen gets moved in July.

Kevin
Trusted Member
14 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

We will see. Joyce being out and Stephenson being MIA are issues. But they other guys have filled in well. Zeferjahn helps too.

Pineapple12
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

Fermin
Zeferjahn
Bachman
Joyce
Stephenson
Detmers

That would be quite the bullpen ⛽️⛽️⛽️. I would still move Detmers back to the rotation.

toad2065
Trusted Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Depending on where his head is at.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  smithy610

And Stephenson when he get’s healthy.

Pineapple12
Legend
15 hours ago

Reid Detmers; since 5/9:
18.2 innings
0.49 ERA
1.15 WHIP
29 strikeouts

Seems good

Angelz4ever
Super Member
14 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

You sir (Seems) have made an understatement.

Though, I believe that subtlety was intended.

Detmers is slingin’ as of late.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

29 strikeouts in 18.2 is incredible. Those are elite closer numbers.

Pineapple12
Legend
15 hours ago

Let the kids fight for a playoff spot

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FungoAle
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Downside, Angels will not trade for the future at the deadline. Perplexed. I’m still a proponent of selling no matter where the team stands in late July but we know AM/PM will hold-on tight to the notion to claim a wild card slot.

Pineapple12
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Who are we selling? Outside of Ward and maybe Jansen, we don’t have any attractive assets. Nobody is giving up more than a bucket of popcorn for TA or Rengifo.

I’m not suggesting we buy either. Just let the season play out. I would like to see Ward gone 😂

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TrojanBoiler
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

At this point that may be the best course of action.

Ward still has a year of control left, so he still has trade value after this season anyway.

Buying at the deadline would be an absolute disaster though.

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FungoAle
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Tyler Anderson could be moved quite easily for young prospects. One would expect a better haul than last years Luis Garcia or Estevez deals. Arms are always sexy at the deadline. Jansen, Stephenson (if healthy and has logged quality innings), Hendricks as well for depth, innings eater.

Hitters: The Cubans; Soler, Moncada. Deal these guys 100%. My No.1 guy to jettison would be Ward. Heefo with his versatility might gain some interest.

There are teams out there who fight just to make the post season to be satisfied and they are other teams who are not happy if they don’t win it all. I’m afraid AM/PM are of the former mentality.

Guess we still have 4-weeks to go to see if the team is really clicking.

milehigh
Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I’m afraid of Arte buying, too. This team is still projected to win 76 games for the season. That means they would need to buy at least 10 more wins to claim a WC spot.
Please AM/PM, don’t even think about it.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
17 hours ago

The Angels had 8 of their first-round draft picks in last night’s game. WTF? I thought they didn’t know how to draft!

Pineapple12
Legend
15 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

You are suppose to reject what your eyes are seeing.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
14 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

(Jedi handwave)…..The Halos have no talent on the farm and never have…..

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Born_in_59

I have said it before. You don’t need an entire system of wonderful prospects. You need to fill about 2 or 3 positions a year, bench and pen included, with quality players (and have guys stay healthy and good). You can do that with a bottom 3rd system. Plus what ever you add in FA. This is how the Central Division teams pull it off. We are doing it too… so far.

BUT. We still need to draft better and develop better. We need lots of guys since the failure rate will be high and we also want prospects we can trade. The farm is not EVERYTHING we love to bitch about, but having a farm as bad as we have now? That’s a big problem even if some of the kids are doing well.

Let’s also not forget, Moore kind of sucks…. he’s not exactly “2nd base solved” just yet. So yes, there may actually be something to the way Perry is doing things, but also, it doesn’t solve the larger issue. Hopefully the development and scouting improvements he’s pushing for will address that stuff, but we won’t know for a while.

Pineapple12
Legend
13 hours ago

Moore’s defensive has been impressive. I haven’t thought he’s looked completely overmatched plate, but is running a 33% k rate in 36 ABs.

As long as the defense holds and he puts up quality ABs, we should keep running him out there.

3 weeks until the draft!! Cant wait

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’m not sure about “quality” at bats. I don’t really want him settling into being a guy with a 33% K rate. I’m still not clear why he’s up here right now since he was striking out so much in the minors…. maybe they are hoping he adjusts up here and that gets better as he sees more MLB pitching?

It just seems like they were afraid to just stick us with Newman and Kingery type guys at 2B, which is stupid. This is the year we need to be stuck with that.

FungoAle
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Shouldn’t a first round pick come with the “high” expectation of making the big league roster? I’d be more impressed if the 8 draft picks were from 3-7+ rounds. Angels have been stuck in the first round picks 9-15 for the past few years. These guys SHOULD make it as they are safe picks.

I cannot give Perry an attaboy when Liam Doyle/Arnold/Kade starts for the Angels later in the year. I don’t consider this as the Angels being shrewd with the selection. it’s right on the doorstep.

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