LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Manfred doesn’t know what permanent means

Morning Angels fans. This may get heated. Behave in the comments. Have some links.

Angels News

The Angels lost on a blown save by Jansen last night. Also by a bad game by the bullpen. It is the Padres though so it was not too much of a surprise.

Angels will have games on over the air tv again. 12 games only. Starting this weekend.

Around Baseball

Let’s get third out of the way. Manfred has reinstated all the members of the PERMANENTLY INELIGIBLE LIST that are deceased. Which includes Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson. Which makes that list now the “lifetime ineligible list” instead. Is this a good or a bad thing? That’s up for debate. But what isn’t is how Manfred went against over 100 years of tradition, and the English language in doing this.

The Angels shouldn’t feel too bad about the loss last night. There were many walk off wins last night and 3 extra inning games. It was a day of blowing it.

The Dodgers are down another arm as Sasaki is on the IL now with an arm issue. They may buy so many pitchers but does it matter if they are all injured?

Rich Hill is still trying to play. And he’s got a chance as he is now with the Royals’ AAA team. He’s like, 45. Wow.

Yandy Diaz has a passport issue and can’t go to Canada so he’s out for the series vs the Blue Jays. Who does the passports for players? And how do you mess that up?

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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Eric_in_Portland
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14 hours ago

in true “power makes right” style, Acuna apologized for his noticing Snitker’s double standard. Trade for Acuna, Perry! I know you’ve got the phone number.

Twebur
Legend
15 hours ago

A position player in the making, fresh farm grown….2027? Sooner?

Angels prospect Nelson Rada has reached base safely 24 times and stolen 10 bases in his last 10 games with AA Rocket City, on season he’s slashing .288/.406/.342 (.748), he turns 20 in late August

https://x.com/TaylorBlakeWard/status/1922733567383147009

Last edited 15 hours ago by Twebur
Turk's Teeth
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13 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Sooner – given how aggressive the Angels are, I could see a late summer call-up, after his 20th birthday maybe.

After today’s game, his OBP is up to .412, and he’s nabbed 15 bags. Of the five times he’s been caught (including today), a couple were really very arguable. He’s being aggressive on the bases – clearly has the green light to steal anything he can.

Today, he walked twice, was hit twice, and struck out twice – and this doesn’t feel like an unusual outing. His plate knowledge has clearly improved, and he’s chasing out of the zone less – the 16% BB rate testifies to that. He’s still striking out far too much, but it’s typically swinging against in-zone velocity, so he at least knows which pitches to swing at, even if he can’t always catch up to them.

60 grade speed, 60 grade glove. Projecting to plus plate discipline. It’s a compelling CF profile if he doesn’t get beat inside with MLB velocity.

I’ve always been a booster, but a path to the MLB looks more real this season than last.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I would love to see him lead off so Neto could hit 3rd.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Thanks for the progress report.

SD19
Trusted Member
15 hours ago

It’s simply our destiny that Suarez and Quijada are Angels again for our viewing pleasure. . No way around it

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 hours ago
Reply to  SD19

And they represent upgrades based on the current cast of misfits we’re throwing out there each night.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
15 hours ago

Joyce’s injury opens up re-signing Jose Suarez……

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 hours ago

not unexpected, but still, FUUUUCK

Update regarding #Angels RHP Ben Joyce:

“Ben Joyce underwent surgery to repair his right shoulder earlier this morning. He is expected to miss the remainder of the season.”

https://x.com/LAAngelsPR/status/1922762660124274722?t=6CKoLSUZRDapeCFQ9qyjKg&s=19

Twebur
Legend
16 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Was fun while it lasted…I’m sure we’ll hear the surgery detail sometime spring training 2026. Besides we got Quesadilla coming back soon

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
16 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Live by the 105 MPH pitches – expect to see the surgeon multiple times. He’s already had TJS once; shoulders are very tough to recover from. We’ll see what’s left of him in 2027.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
16 hours ago

Having had shoulder problems and knowing how it’s affected my throwing I’d say Ben will not see 105 ever again

Angelz4ever
Super Member
15 hours ago

I’ve topped 105.5 feet an hour before (Wind-aided).

Last edited 15 hours ago by Angelz4ever
Angelz4ever
Super Member
15 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

#&%#$&*$* IT!!!

PedroCerrano
Super Member
14 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Angels guarding that info like a state secret is crazy. Their lack of transparency on virtually any issue has me questioning if they are worthy of any of my attention as I’ve already denied them my funds.

It’s not like they would have compromised their competitive standing. Their roster management has done that.

FungoAle
Legend
14 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

It’s a clown show from top to bottom

FungoAle
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Stevie Wonder saw this coming, thought a 3rd pick was a bit much at the time

Twebur
Legend
17 hours ago

Over/Under 8.5 days -105Quesadilla on the mound for the Angels. Coming to a stadium near you.

José Quijada’s first outing at AA

https://x.com/AngelsMiLB/status/1922757648790790474

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Within 2 weeks. Our BP is a complete sh*t show.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 hours ago

D@mmit, let’s just take the series tonight.

As Wilford Brimley would say, “It’s the right thing to do.”

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
17 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

He should be our new manager!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I would heart that…. dead fat oatmeal Brimley. Hell yeah. Out of the box literally.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
16 hours ago

I would love the press conferences.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
15 hours ago

Had me rollin’ gitch!!

Twebur
Legend
16 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

We’d call him the General…. Just don’t interfere with his golf, he doesn’t like it, neither did Joe “Mohawk” Maddon

https://youtu.be/YWBSs9UOKvY?si=xvZF_mFGZhKaajiC

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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16 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

Newman is in hiding

Twebur
Legend
15 hours ago

Newman is in hiding, as our utility guy, and eventual new hitting coach/offensive coordinator.

FungoAle
Legend
18 hours ago

How about Jacob Wilson of the As last night, son of Jack Wilson long time Pirate SS. Jacob dotted the Dodgers eyeballs with that performance last night. Kid is killing it…stud SS, A’s got a good one.

Last edited 18 hours ago by FungoAle
Jeff Joiner
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17 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Been watching a bit of A’s baseball this year due to my connections with Sacramento. Wilson is having a really good start and so is Luis Arias.

They are fun team to watch.

FungoAle
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yeah, I think so too. In fact, by the time the A’s hit Las Vegas, I might be living there as my primary residence so I can make the easy commute to watch some boring ball.

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
17 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I think Wilson has surprised everyone. Most prospect profiles like Wilson’s would yield outcomes somewhere between David Fletcher and Nolan Schanuel, but the emergence of real game power is something new.

I definitely steered clear of him as a target in that draft year, as guys like Luis Arraez don’t emerge every year, and it’s hard to forecast sustained success with a 4% walk rate and extreme ground ball rates, but Wilson is currently beating the odds.

FungoAle
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13 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

A 6th pick of the 2023 draft and I thought, what are the A’s doing. Who is the cat going that high out of HS. Well, looking solid thus far.

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The As really like guys with elite plate knowledge – both the Wilson and Kurtz picks demonstrate that.

Wilson was a top ten ranked selection, so it wasn’t like Oakland was going discount – they really liked the profile.

Wilson had a 97% in-zone contact rate in college, which is just video game stuff. But his exit velocities were nothing to speak of, he had little game power, and he was an average runner at best. Hit/glove guy, but not the guy we’re seeing now.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

The Angels have never valued plate knowledge unfortunately.

FungoAle
Legend
12 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I saw Kurtz hit is first jack last night from the 9-hole. He’s been hanging in there.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
14 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I went to TOHS, both where his dad went (now coaches) and he went. I would pay attention to those pirate box scores just to see his dad’s stats and I do the same for Jacob now.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
18 hours ago

Anybody notice that the Unicorn hasn’t been very Unicorny lately?
or may never be again?
Just a $70m a year DH.

Eric_in_Portland
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18 hours ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

because he’s not pitching? 12 HRs, 10 SBs, .302 BA, 1.035 OPS, 192 OPS+. That’s pretty good.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
17 hours ago

Yeah, but can he pitch?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 hours ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Every other year

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
17 hours ago

Yes, I was going to say, 192 OPS+ is an MVP performance level. What more can you ask for. This would be 5 years in a row at an MVP level. He’s doing exactly what he’s being paid to do. Perhaps more quietly.

FungoAle
Legend
17 hours ago

…and we have not even hit the warmer months

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
18 hours ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

No sleep since his baby was born

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
19 hours ago

I’ve mentioned it here a few times—I’m firmly against Pete Rose ever getting into the Hall of Fame. I’ll admit, I’m probably biased. As a kid, he was the player I admired most. I loved the way he played the game—gritty, relentless, never taking a play off. I still have a ball signed by him. But in my 20s, when the truth came out, it broke my heart.
I understand the argument. On the field, Rose more than earned his place in Cooperstown. But for me, betting on baseball is the one rule you cannot break. Once the integrity of the game is compromised, once outcomes are even suspected of being manipulated, it stops being baseball. It becomes a performance with a known ending. And for something so rooted in drama and unpredictability, that’s the worst thing that could happen. That’s why I believe a permanent ban is necessary. It’s not about punishment, it’s about protection.
That said, I know this is just my opinion. It’s not the truth, and none of us really know what the long-term consequences to the game will be if Pete is reinstated or honored. Maybe it will fade quietly into history, or maybe it will reshape how we handle future violations. I just hope, if the Hall chooses to lift the ban or celebrate his career, they do it with care. Because how they handle this will say a lot, not just about Pete, but about what baseball chooses to value moving forward.

Pineapple12
Super Member
19 hours ago

Joel Hurtado spun a gem today in AA

7 innings
0 earned runs
3 hits
2 strikeouts
0 walks

On the season-
7 starts
39.2 innings
2.04 ERA
1.15 WHIP
23 strikeouts

24 years old. According to Eric Longenhagen (FanGraphs), Hurtado has hit 103-104 mph this season. Do we have something here?

Turks, if you’re reading this and watched the game, I’d love to get your thoughts

Last edited 19 hours ago by Pineapple12
TrojanBoiler
Super Member
18 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s weird to me that someone who can allegedly hit 103+ is barely averaging 5K/9

Something is not adding up about that.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
17 hours ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

They’re sitting on the fastball?
Need a second pitch?

Pineapple12
Super Member
17 hours ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

idk. What I do know is his ERA and WHIP are sexy. I’m intrigued

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
17 hours ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

I’m wondering how often he is able to locate that pitch. But my gut instinct is that a radar gun somewhere in no man’s land was bonky that day.

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
17 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I remain skeptical of that reading too. Most games of Hurtado’s I’ve watched, he’s sitting 96 on the fastball.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  TrojanBoiler

He is weird. True dat. The video I’ve seen does not look like 100+ MPH. Maybe it’s strait and Max Effort? Soriano can break 100 but he hardly ever does and he doesn’t K two per inning either? If his FB is so hittable he shouldn’t be able to set up secondary pitches well…. and yet he doesn’t allow base runners. Maybe he falls apart in AAA where hitters take walks and swing at fewer bad balls? I dunno.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
16 hours ago

True. Silent C could probably hit 100 and he isn’t a strikeout pitcher either I suppose.

Just odd because those power guys usually induce a little more swing and miss.

A high contact rate on high speed pitches seems like it would generally be a recipe for hard contact and giving up extra base hits

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
16 hours ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Pitches to contact and opposing batter have a low BABIP?

Turk's Teeth
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Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Just watched the first five innings. Was one of the stronger outings by Hurtado, but he was also helped by an aggressive Pensacola offense who were swinging early in counts, and also swinging in three ball counts they should probably avoid. A fair amount of hard contact, but right at players, and the Pandas defense was sharper than usual today.

Not a lot of whiffs, but a couple broken bats. Hard four-seamer w/o a ton of movement, but it induces a lot of GBs when low in the zone, as does his gyro slider. The one K swinging was on his rarely used changeup, which is his best pitch, and probably the one thing that gives him some right tail outcomes as a starter in the future. Otherwise, it still looks like a reliever’s delivery to me, and I think MLB hitters will see more line drive success and will wait out some of the low and away pitches.

Like Kochanowicz, I suspect we’ll see outings like this where hard grounders will find gloves, and he can go long and be pitch efficient. But I also think there’ll be an equal number of outings where he’ll get clobbered. He could develop better command and use the change more frequently, and improve, but he’s also a late bloomer who turns 25 this year.

I really would like to see more verification on that Longenhagen anecdote, as he’s sitting 95-97 in the games I’m watching. I suspect it was second-hand, as Eric L spends most of his scouting time in Arizona.

Pineapple12
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Really appreciate you!

FungoAle
Legend
20 hours ago

Since Pete Rose has passed, I don’t care anymore if he gets to the HOF or not. Manfred is such a fuck up to suggest it after when he had the chance to do it while Pete was still here with us. I would have loved to hear Pete’s acceptance speech and Rose lived and loved baseball. Dude was a hard nosed winner.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
19 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I agree with you FA with Rose deserving to go into the HoF. I just have a problem with what he got involved with. Until the 1980s professional baseball players weren’t even allowed to go to a casino or a horse track. I can tell you for certain I signed a complete rider in my contracts that stipulated that ad nauseum even spelling out hanging around known bookies, placing bets, going to a casino, going onto casino properties, hanging with odds makers and all the tangents you can think of. Rose knew that.

After they retired, several players banned/suspended from MLB (Mays and Mantle I believe) for years because they did ads for a casino, before the rule changed.

Rose know what he was not supposed to do and did it anyways AND on his own team. I always pointed out that MLB was going to hypocrite themselves after he died and for once I was right.

FungoAle
Legend
19 hours ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Certainly a good argument but I don’t care anymore about it. It’s all too late.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
18 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Kind of like my ex didn’t love me enough to not have an affair with another guy, Pete didn’t love baseball or the fans enough to not bet on baseball.

FungoAle
Legend
18 hours ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

I watched him play, sign me up. He would be on a short list of players that I would form a starting 8 around. DRIVEN to win. How’s Trout mindset? Adell? LMAO.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
21 hours ago

Certainly there is hope for our 1b, he is starting to put it together and put some numbers up. Little steps with the next being a little more power to the gaps. Good to see him doing well. BTW, I see a “KID” as being 25 and younger, and yes drafting preps has its rewards over college players. The draft is getting closer every day.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Nolan, man, sometimes you can see he’s locked in and he handles just about any pitch. If you’re into just hitting he can be exciting. He still has periods where he has to adjust to what ever THE DATA has told pitchers to throw him and that can be a couple weeks sometimes, but man, as he gets older (and stronger) those periods will get shorter and his locked in periods will involve a little more pop.

Totally high level dream, but watching Arias these games, Nolan can be like him, but with more pop and the ability to play 1B if everything comes up roses. You can see he really works at hitting X pitch at Y placement, etc. So maybe he’ll pull it off. Right now, would be the season he’s starting in AAA and we are hotly anticipating him coming up soon on a normal team. If him bouncing off a .700 OPS is him developing then I’m still bullish on him getting to .750 -.800 when he’s always got his big boy pants on.

Or he’ll implode like David Fletcher….

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
20 hours ago

Well put and very true. He could go either way. With the team having so many holes it is hopeful that Schanny comes through. “Implode” is a perfect way to describe Fletcher. I was the most surprised person that Fletcher went down as fast as he did and it was more than how he was pitched to.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
19 hours ago

Fletch really fell off a table.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
21 hours ago

I agree with the previous post that used JT Snow as the comp for Schanuel. I’d throw Casey Kotchman in the mix as a comp too.

Schanuel is a nice player, but he’s never going to be an All-Star at 1B

FungoAle
Legend
19 hours ago

If Schanny Singles could match JT, I’d take it in a heart beat. I know JT, Schanuel is no JT.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
21 hours ago

When Elston Howard showed up for the Yankees Yogi Berra moved from starting Catcher to sharing that position and sharing LF. Some guy named Downing moved from Catcher to LF and almost never made an error while scoring a lot of runs. Maybe a move to LF or even 1b might be in the cards for O’Hoppe. Downside, finding a couple of good catchers.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

He just had a truly crap game yesterday. Give it the season.

Pineapple12
Super Member
20 hours ago

His defense behind the dish is worrying, Gitch

Twebur
Legend
20 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Both are true. We should give him the season and is defense is problematic.
I’m not knowledgeable enough to know how well he does handling everything with our pitchers. Seems to do more harm then good a lot of nights, but that bat looks like a winner. You’re not going to have confidence as a pitcher throwing anything in the dirt.

Build a sweet-ass manly offense so we can have a + defensive catcher and not worry if he can’t hit, his job is to make the pitcher staff better.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

He needs to cut down on Ks… but he just went through a cold streak with a TON of Ks, so let’s see if it gets a little better over the next 120 games.

We know he’s a worker. We know he wants Travis to adopt him. Let’s see if he can be less of a horror show catching that knuckle curve over the next umpteen games.

This site is a group of people who were demanding that Mike Napoli start at catcher for two years. DEMANDING LOUDLY. On a play off contender. I say let’s keep some perspective with these kids and let em suck till they either don’t or we need to address them.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yeah. The good news is there are more games. He can still try to get better. When the time comes that his cactus hands may cost us play off standings we can talk about making him a DH or Schwarber Fielder or something if he’s still a problem.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
21 hours ago

We still have Quero in the minors – he’s ready……

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
20 hours ago

PTP lost his mind on that trade.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

PTP was told to put his mind away because we had a unicorn to try and make smile.

We also actually have a couple young catching prospects….

Angelz4ever
Super Member
19 hours ago

No he didn’t G-Pa, just like the Phillies and O’Hoppe, Quero was destined to be a starter not in a Thaiss role and he was blocked by another catcher.

He didn’t get much value from the Quero trade though.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
20 hours ago

Some guy name Dale Murphy tossed his catching gear and went to CF in Atlanta and he was okay (Should be in the HoF).

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
21 hours ago

It would serve MLB if Manfraud took care of irresponsible ownership of teams in Pittsburg, Tampa Bay, the OC, A’s, and Denver and force those teams to sell and also move these weaker teams to Charolette, SLC, Nashville, Austin, San Antonio or any city wanting to join MLB will good ownership. Make the league stronger, not weaker with cream puffs who are just stupid.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
21 hours ago

Considering those owners are his boss, that isn’t going to happen.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
21 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Disagree. Owers do not want weak links, that cost them money, lots of. A strong leader with a strong team can do anything they put their minds to. With enough votes a stronger leader can move mountains.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
21 hours ago

I don’t know, do the Dodgers and Yankees want 5 more strong teams to keep them from their annual World Series? If the owners wanted to improve the level of competition, they’d put in a salary floor and other measures that discourage the penny pinchers. Maybe they should implement a draft of unsigned free agents to be paid the qualified offer out of those profit-sharing funds?

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
21 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Agreed, salary floor and strong cap are needed. As for teams wanting better competition, I would say they do. Having two strong NY teams make MLB stronger. As for unsigned FA’s, that cannot be changed as age, needs of teams come into play. I thought years ago that Baseball learned something when Albert screwed the Angels, but as we have seen that was only chump change compared to today’s contracts. Having a hard cap is going to be good for the sport allowing small market teams to be relevant. Having a floor is good for the players. MLB tries to copy the NFL except for the hard cap, time to make a deal with the players union.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

We’d have to sacrifice at least one full season of baseball probably. I’d actually do it if we got a floor/ceiling.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
20 hours ago

Agreed

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

The owners are never gonna put themselves in a position where, if enough people scream and yell about them being “bad for baseball” they can be forced to sell their team. I wouldn’t do it either. Fans are stupid and loud. “Journalists” love playing to stupid and loud. I’m not giving these dumbshits any actual ability to influence my ownership.

All they really have to do is threaten the revenue sharing money. It works. Look at the A’ss. Threaten that welfare stream a little more and you’ll see Bob Nutting will shape up. I just wish they’d require ALL revenue sharing payments for ANY team that receives them to go to payroll/player development etc.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
21 hours ago

Yep, it’s all about making money. As long as they all make money they are all happy. Winning is an ego thing and entirely separate, unlike for fans where winning is everything.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
20 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Money is the angle, so look at the NFL and NBA, changes in ownership took place especially in the AFL when started and Al Davis was not even that strong as a leader, changes took place because of just a few select owners with teams in KC and Buffalo.

Today it is going to take a stronger leader to recognize how to increase profits, how to accomplish those profits and how to continue growth and not be static. It can be done.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
21 hours ago

There’s been some really crappy owners and teams in the 100+ years of MLB. Never has a team or owner been “taken care of” by the commissioner. If it were attempted, the litigation would be legendary

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
20 hours ago

Bud Selig was behind changes in Boston-Miami-Montreal and even with the Dodgers. Behind the scenes is very interesting politics and it is real.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
20 hours ago

While Bud Selig was instrumental in bringing about many changes during his time as MLB commissioner, it’s not accurate to say he “forced” ownership changes. He primarily worked with the owners to find consensus on issues, often through extensive lobbying and negotiation. While he played a key role in major league baseball’s evolution, including the growth of revenue and efforts to improve competitive balance, he did so by working with the owners, not against them.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
20 hours ago

Slow down, Selig engineered franchises changing ownership many times. This could be the longest post in history, I’ll made it simple. The Federal government forced changes in Boston to happen to Mrs. Yawkey and the R/S. Being a premiere franchise Bud had close ties to some owners who would back him on just about everything including at the time those in Montreal, and Miami. Bud also hated the Dodgers because Walter and son did not like nor trust Bud. So, Bud made sure that the Florida ownership ended up in Boston while at the same time knowing that Peter was throwing out the possibility that he may sell the Dodgers, and Bud and his connections wanted Fox to end up with a team and while working the Disney connection in SoCal make connections. So finally, the pieces were falling into place for Washington to receive a team again, but Fox wanted out of the sports business, so now Bud needed more quality buyers. Well, there was a parking magnet who wanted a team, and he wanted Boston and Bud didn’t like him, but when Fox wanted out a while later, it was Bud who put everything together to make sure the parking lot guy got the Doyers and Bud made sure the votes lined up along with the financing terms with Fox. Lesson learned behind the scenes was don’t piss Bud off and Bud will make you money. Bud was as good or better at the Art of the Deal than even you know who, after all his dad was in the used car business too and Bud was even better.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

The only problem being like property rights and shit. “Forcing and Banning” is something we all love to wave around, but when ever it actually starts happening we always wind up regretting it. It almost never makes what sucks not suck and it hurts things we don’t want hurt.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
21 hours ago

I don’t deny that there is merit in what you say, but just the threat of the league demanding franchises operate better has worked in the fast-food business and in the automotive franchise business. It has been seen in both the NBA and NFL and worked for the betterment there also.

Weak ownership hurts the cities, fans and players, so it should be something that if I was an owner trying to protect my billions, I would listen closely to what may be proposed.

No one has made Miami payoff in terms of finances. Certainly not well enough to compete with other teams in the east. Having a team in arguably the biggest market in MLB, Southern California deserves better than Arte. Milwaukie, I believe is smaller than Pittsburg and they make it work.

I believe there can be changes made for the betterment of MLB in regard to ownership and location.

BannedInLA
Super Member
22 hours ago

As for Soriano. What a game and I have to assume a big confidence builder with him going over 100 pitches and completing 7 against a solid lineup.

Wins are nice but, largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of 2025. This is a 4th place team at best. 2025 is extended Spring Training and not much else. I think we know that Neto & O’Hoppe are core pieces. Soriano is close to being a core piece and the rest of the season will tell us what we have in Adell, Paris, etc.

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

O’Hoppe is the worst defensive catcher in baseball. He needs to start making massive improvement in that department.

BannedInLA
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

He was certainly horrible last night.

I see that you’re currently shorting the O’Hoppe stock, eh?

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Not necessarily, but there are signals that warrant heavy concern.

36% K rate this season
31.4% K rate for his career

And he’s statistically the worst defensive catcher in the sport. I believe in his character and work ethic.

FungoAle
Legend
19 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Worst catcher is a stretch but yes, need better. Perry pushed him ahead of his development curve to the big club because that is all Perry knows.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
22 hours ago

in-teg-ri-ty:

The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
Incorruptibility,
Honesty,
Honor,
Honorability,
Upstanding,
Good Character,
Principles,
Ethics,
Virtue,
Decency,
Sincerity,
Truthfulness,
Trustworthy.

Was Major League Baseball better off with or without Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Barry Bonds, ARod, Gary Sheffield, Sammy Sosa, Roger Clemens, Mark McGwire or better off ignoring what Ortiz, IRod, Piazza, Walker, and many others were thought to have done, again is MLB better off with or without those of less of a moral compass. Are today’s cheaters honorable to have the sport of MLB look the other way.

Pete Rose broke in when I was 9 years old as a second baseman for the Reds and was names Charlie Hustle a few years later and never looked back. He didn’t have great Homeruns, was not the next Maury Wills or Willie Mays, he was Pete Rose and never let up with his intensity. When all was done 23 years later, he had done what was always thought untouchable, he broke Ty Cobb total Career Hits record. The Nation was proud for him, Baseball fans cheered for him everywhere he traveled. He played tougher and harder than anyone who possibly played the game since Ty Cobb.

Pete went on to manage the Reds and everyday would pass by the sign warning everyone to avoid gambling on games. But Pete Rose was loke Ty Cobb in one other way-they both processed rather large egos, both thought that no one was smarter than themselves. Pete also was addicted to gambling.

When caught Pete Rose denied betting on games. The admitted that he did bet on games, but not on his team, the Reds. Then admitted that yes, he did bet on the Reds, but on to win. Then it was found out that that was not exactly true either and was subsequently banned from the game by MLB Commissioner Bart Giamatti.

Should a commissioner in 2025 have the right to overturn what was done by previous commissioners in the past simply because someone who cheated has passed? I think not, especially a man who could not handle the situation of sign stealing clubs, i.e. Houston, Boston, NYY, LAD, properly. Selig couldn’t handle PED’s in his day and Manfraud once again has proven he is not capable of having a backbone to protect the integrity of MLB.

BannedInLA
Super Member
21 hours ago

Counter point: If Rose were to be inducted it would be because of his achievements as a player, not for his ignomonious time as a manager. If the HOF includes players that had drug & alcohol addictions, wouldn’t some consider gambling to be a similar vice?

Could he be inducted along with an asterisk detailing his foibles as a manager? I’ve always viewed the HOF as a celebration of the players and their on the field achievements. I realize there are some managers in the HOF but, those are rare exceptions. It’s about the players.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
21 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I would like to see Hank Aaron’s idea, build a wing for the cheaters and allow for those interested to see what they did while being informed of the accomplishments while knowing what they did wrong. Let the public make the choice. Altuve, Beltran and Bregman may someday be eligible, and we know they cheated. This may be a way to make it work. And yes, unfortunately there a those that cheated are already in the HOF sadly, but that is on the writers for watering down the Hall.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I say just tell a player’s story if he’s in the hall. If he got in trouble for beating on a crippled heckler in the stands, include that. If he got drunk and drove around an under age girl he was fking and killed her in a car crash. Include it. If he played with a bag of coke in his back pocket, include it. If he was on a team that cheated, include that in his story. If he played in an era where HR totals were inflated and he also had inflated HR totals, mention that. If he had a years long saga regarding his gambling on baseball, include it. If he spoke before congress about roids…. ETC.

It will let fans see the way the game was in different eras, that these guys were bad/good/average men etc. Have the Clemente’s and the Cobbs all in the pile, none of them glossed up, heroes and heels….

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
Born_in_59
Trusted Member
21 hours ago

Considering that there are admitted cheaters already in the Hall of Fame and I suspect players/managers who fixed games to help out their buddies on another team or who gambled on games (see Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker), taking deceased players off the ineligible list is fine with me. If Rose and Shoeless Joe get voted in, I don’t see it as sullying the HOF’s reputation. I’d even extend it to the steroid kiddies too, so that they don’t profit off being in the HOF during their lifetimes.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Born_in_59

Yeah. I like the lifetime ban. It’s easier to apply. It’s the Moses rule. You will not see the promised land while you’re alive….

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
20 hours ago

The nicest players to play MLB don’t get into the HoF because they were good people. They get in the HoF for what the results they delivered between the white lines.

In addition, there’s players already in the HoF who did not display “integrity” in their personal lives and were generally bad people.

The only way a player gets into the HoF is if 75% of the voters elect him (or the Veterans committee). If Pete or Joe get 75% of the voters elect him, so be it.

We’re all flawed humans, I’m not going to throw the first rock at Pete or Joe.

BannedInLA
Super Member
22 hours ago

Not to black pill everyone on Lugo but, let’s not get too excited. It’s very likely that he is the Kyren Paris of May 2025. The flavor of the month. The shiny new object.

That said, I hope we trade Soler (any takers?), make Trout the full time DH and let these kids get as many at bats as possible. Lugo, Paris, et al.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I agree with banned. Obviously with this bullpen we are going to finish in last place. Let the kids play and get some experience and fight it out in spring training

bobblanton
Trusted Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Plus I will say the kids make it fun to watch then the bullpen comes in and gives me IBS

clover_black
Super Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

can we identify the kids?

is rengifo a kid? i thought he was mid 30s because of his divorce and venezuelan arrest warrant but hes only 28!!!!!!! I say hes a kid.

is adell a kid? i think he is (26). but i really don’t want him to play.

is ward a kid? he has the mind of a child! Play or no?

bobblanton
Trusted Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  clover_black

See below

Twebur
Legend
19 hours ago
Reply to  clover_black

Age is just a number….. nothing is more true after seeing 58 year old Selma Hayek on the cover of SI this morning.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
19 hours ago
Reply to  Twebur

She is the exception and exceptionally hot

Angelz4ever
Super Member
19 hours ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Yes, she can afford the high maintenance and upkeep as her old man is a billionaire.

Pineapple12
Super Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I agree, with the caveat that Paris should be behind Adell and Lugo in the pecking order.

Paris was miserably bad in 2024, and after his two-week “Linsanity” run (a Jeremy Lin reference, for those unaware), he has been downright miserable once again. Other than being young, he has no business getting full-time reps.

Jettisoning Soler and Ward, which I doubt happens, would open up the outfield for all 3 of Adell, Lugo, Paris.

BannedInLA
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Fair enough. I don’t have any particular pecking order between Adell, Paris, Lugo and others. They are all young and unproven in my estimation. They all need playing time and yes, Paris was horrendous last year and looks as though he’s regressed to the mean.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Before we throw him in the trash, he has generated more WAR than anyone on the team but Neto, who he is right behind, and is 1 of only 4 regulars with positive WAR. He and Neto have twice the WAR of the other 2. All other regulars have negative WAR including Schany who was -.5 before last night. Paris also leads the team in defensive runs saved. He has looked awful and needs to be fixed, but I believe he is worth fixing if we can.

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I give a lot of credit to Paris for his defense. His strikeout tendencies make it difficult for me to believe in his bat.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Yeah. They don’t need him to be a #3 hitter. They just need to get him to stop swinging like a baby and hit .260 with 15HR. His defense and versatility and speed are of real value. He should embrace that.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

We’re not winning anything anyway so I would rather watch those 3 sink or swim for the rest of the season.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

“very likely” is a big stretch imo. Lugo’s game is very different to Paris. I am not saying Lugo is going to be a star by any means, but I was very cautious with Paris all the way back to spring due to his lack of success in the past and drastic swing change (along with facing mostly minor league players in spring)

BannedInLA
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I don’t think it’s a stretch at all but, I would love to be wrong. We’re talking about a player that wasn’t ripping it up at SLC and was essentially given away in a low level trade. Only time will tell.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

that was a horrible trade regardless of him being involved or not.
ya, he wasn’t hitting well in SLC, but his minor league track record is far better than Paris’ ever was, and that’s before a drastic swing change from Paris who clearly is just trying to swing as hard as he can all the time.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yah. I’d consider it a great thing if Lugo eventually shows up as a solid #4 OF who can play all three spots and not be a black hole at the plate. Maybe he develops platoon splits and is actually fairly good in certain situations. That’s a win.

BannedInLA
Super Member
19 hours ago

Remember the days when a team’s 4th OF would hit around .250, had good speed and could play all 3 spots? I do.

I hate this era of shit batting averages.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

Some GM, some day, is gonna be labeled a “GENIUS” because he assembles a pile of 11 guys all of whom hit between .250 and .300 with 10-25 HR with average to good speed and defense. They will all cost less than 25M a year. They will be boring and have no star power. They will absolutely slaughter everyone and cause pitchers to break down on the mound. Just a giant pile of Michael Harris II and Kolton Cowser….

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I hope he continues to do well but he was hitting .212 in AAA.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

C -O’Hoppe
1b – Schanuel
2b – Paris
SS – Neto
3b – Moore
LF – Lugo
CF – Rada
RF – Adell
DH – Trout

SP – Klassen
SP – Soriano
SP – Dana
SP – Silent C
SP – Detmers

Closer – Joyce
Setup – Zefferjahn

That’s all I got

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  bobblanton

I really hope to not see Rada up for good till 2027.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

Sure, yeah. Lugo’s off to a totally unrealistic start and that’s fun. But it’s also hopefully useful for him to see these MLB arms and, eventually, struggle with them. Let him see the whole elephant. Then, even if he’s sent down eventually. It was a step in his development.

It’s not like Jo Adell, where the team is legit trying to make the play offs with huge expensive stars on the roster and they don’t replace their OFer and give you the job and they NEED you to perform NOW or shits gonna hit the fan for EVERYONE. They can tell a guy like Lugo or Paris it’s OK to have ups and downs and to learn from both this year.

Pineapple12
Super Member
23 hours ago

1B Schanuel
SS Neto
3B Moncada
C O’Hoppe
DH Soler
2B Rengifo
RF Adell
LF Lugo
CF Paris

and if Trout ever comes back plug him in for Paris, and send the king of strikeouts back to AAA. Ward is not here as he’s been put on the first plane to Siberia.

Last edited 23 hours ago by Pineapple12
Pineapple12
Super Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Kyren Paris has 49 Ks in his last 100 at-bats 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
20 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That’s major league hitting coach credentials material!

Pineapple12
Super Member
20 hours ago

Paris was striking out like this in the minors too. I think its a him problem.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
20 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

….and to my point, this is why Paris has a future as a ML hitting coach 🤣

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
20 hours ago

Do as I say, not as I do.

Pineapple12
Super Member
20 hours ago

I misread hahah

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Is his private hitting coach still tweeting constantly?

Pineapple12
Super Member
20 hours ago

that egomaniac will live off of Judge for the rest of his career. I’m sure now he’s like “Paris, who? I saw that kid for like 2 days”

Last edited 20 hours ago by Pineapple12
steelgolf
Legend
22 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Trout back in CF? That should seal the deal on his knee replacement the moment he retires from baseball.

Pineapple12
Super Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Should’ve been more clear — Trout replaces the king of strikeouts in the lineup and then you move Adell or Lugo to CF

clover_black
Super Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

trout is gonna blow out his knee running to first again, so it it doesn’t matter what defensive placement you put him in.

BannedInLA
Super Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Nolan is not a leadoff hitter. Too slow.

Pineapple12
Super Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

he’s an OBP-machine

BannedInLA
Super Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That clogs the base paths.

Leadoff hitters should be able to score from 1st on a double and go first to third on singles. Not to mention stealing bases & putting pressure on the opposing battery with the threat of a steal. Nolan provides none of the above. His OBP is valuable of course. I just don’t like plodders battling leadoff.

The Angels screwed up by not keeping Trout at leadoff during his prime. Look no further than Shohei – the best leadoff hitter in baseball. I’m fully onboard with the concept of your best speed/power guy getting the most at bats.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yeah. Nolan’s a really good “mop em up” hitter who can extend an inning after 2 guys get on and two guys strike out. Or in a spot where you will sometimes need a guy to just hit it to a particular side of the field. He’s very useful…. he’s just not a lead off hitter.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

“But his nickname is FLASH! They call him that.” says the guys who keeps bringing up that the FO said we were gonna try to compete this year and we don’t rebuild.

FungoAle
Legend
21 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That is a crap line-up. Why do I say that? The past 41 games is a good litmus test.

Pineapple12
Super Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic

BannedInLA
Super Member
20 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

But does the band play on?

“Gentleman, it has been a privilege playing with you tonight”

I will always be a sucker for the violin scene in that movie.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

All I know is when you cliché the cliché will always have the last cliché and if you can’t spot the cliché within the first five clichés you are the cliché. I got 99 clichés but a cliché aint one.

BannedInLA
Super Member
19 hours ago

The first rule of cliche club is we don’t talk about cliche club.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

I’m not just the owner, I’m a proud member of cliche club.

steelgolf
Legend
23 hours ago

Washington is tanking the trade value of Kenley.

Pineapple12
Super Member
23 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

are we sure Kenley isn’t tanking the trade value of Kenley?

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
19 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12
Angelz4ever
Super Member
23 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

LOL, by playing him.

BannedInLA
Super Member
22 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Kenley seems to be the type of guy that needs to close and nothing else. I don’t think last night was a “close” situation, was it?

cookmeister
Trusted Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

no, but if you dont use your closer and some other dude gives up a walk off then all people would be asking is “why didn’t you use your best reliever?”

BannedInLA
Super Member
20 hours ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Correct. The real problem is that Wash has almost no sure fire options in the BP.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
20 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Ho, I believe it was a “Hold” situation though.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
21 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

did Wash throw the pitch for Kenley or something?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  cookmeister

Seriously. What’s tanking Kenley right now is that he looks like a guy who won a fried shrimp eating contest last night and showed up to a Spartan Race this morning. He LOOKS like he’s sick or something, not picking on fat, just off, tired, sweaty, listless… like he recently ordered a drink with Mexican ice in it.

Twebur
Legend
FungoAle
Legend
20 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Some relievers just fail in a non-save situation but I realize, Angels don’t get to those situations much.

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