I really like this ballpark. If you plan on heading out there, try to get a table in the right field area. $88 for 4 people to sit at one as of 2024.
Angels at Guardians Game Thread
For the team to come out for a game as important as this one and put on such a pathetic performance just shows the depth to which this organization has sunk! It is a joke and a disgrace! I may never shit right again! All of the players and coaches involved should be rounded up and put on a boat. Then Arte should come out, step to a podium and start crying. He will rip his own shirt. He will apologize for for being a crap owner and a Trump supporter who never listens to me. Then he will take Perry’s tiny hand in his and walk onto the boat. The boat will be tugged out to sea and cast adrift where everyone aboard will drink their own pee to survive as they contemplate all the ways they failed to allow the blame to lay squarely at their feet and be called to account publicly for all they have done to real men of baseball. I will never watch this team again until a couple days from now! How could they not sign that third round pick last year!?! He could have changed EVERYTHING! Now even the clouds are laughing at us! I hate clouds!
That was an ugly-ass game.
Still baffled that the Angels spent so much money on an unranked guy like Gordon in the 4th round and a third-day prepster like Dylan Jordan, but couldn’t sign Prager, now the ace of the A&M staff, the #1 ranked team in the country.
Apparently the difference between sides was only $500k, less than the price of Gordon.
I think the problem was that the Angels ended up paying TGA alot more than they thought or was indicated when they drafted him ( He ended up signing for $1.96M) . The Angels left about a million dollars on the table by not signing Prager so I doubt Gordon’s signing had any impact on Prager since Gordon signed right at slot value. But Dylan Jordan signed for 750K over slot so he definitely would be part of a binary choice if Prager’s signing came down to a $500k difference.
I honestly think they miscalculated the leverage they’d have with a sophomore redshirt, who had all sorts of competing NIL money on the table with Texas A&M.
It wasn’t really a zero sum decision between TGA and Prager, it was a zero sum decision between Prager and Jordan, or Prager and Jordan/Gordon. They signed the latter early, because of course those lesser prospects are going to accept funny money when offered.
Gordon was a guy they could have nabbed in the 8th-10th round, or on Day 3. And Jordan is just a raw body, a pure lotto ticket not among the top prep arms last draft.
I think Prager’s ceiling is more mid-rotation than frontline, but he has less relief risk than other arms Perry prioritized, and again, he’s currently the ace of the #1 team in college baseball, and hasn’t surrendered a run in his first two games.
I think that’s a guy who is one of the first two or three guys you sign from your draft, not a guy you negotiate with last after your budget is largely exhausted. By several accounts, Prager’s # was $1.5M, less than $100k what they paid Chris Cortez, a swingman on the same club where Prager was the Friday night starter.
That’s a completely reasonable ask from Prager (and frankly, generous), given he had a competing offer, and was targeted by most as a second round talent. (If he continues pitching as he is, he’ll probably move into round one consideration by June.)
Once Gordon was drafted it had no bearing on Pragers signability. If Gordon had told the Angels to stuff it they could not have used one dime of Gordon’s slot money on Prager . You can bitch all you want about about the wisdom of if and where the Angels should have taken him but his signing is irrelevant to the busted Orager pick. so I really don’t see the correlation.
Ironically not all in Halo world would agree with your assessment on Gordon https://x.com/Jared_Tims/status/1893791999037198453
LOL at a Jared Tims hat tip.
Not sure you’re grokking how pool money allocation works. Within the first ten picks, the team can still go well over or under slot value within their collective pool, which is defined by the aggregate slot values. Much as the team only paid $1k to their picks in rounds 8-10, so that they could give more to Jordan in round 5, they could easily have given Prager his asking price if they chose to sign him earlier, and paid less for Gordon or Jordan.
This is another case where you and I value the talent differently. That’s fine, but not sure we’re looking at similar things here. If you and Tims think Gordon is the superior talent to Prager, that’s your take – we disagree.
But the money was there if they had negotiated with Prager earlier. I think they overpaid for lesser talent, and signed kids early who, like Gordon, had little leverage, or like Jordan, little track record. Maybe they’d lose Jordan along the way if they had prioritized Prager’s signing and met his price, but that’s a reasonable tradeoff.
Wow TT you seem a little sassy today, I’m not arguing over Gordon’s Jordan’s or Prager’s relative talent levels. That was never my point. My point was ( and still is) that you are wrong to assume that Gordon’s signing precluded the Angels from signing Prager once the Angels made the decision to draft Gordon in the 4th round
But after reading your tutorial on how the MLB Rule 4 Draft Slot Bonus system works, I’m not too sure you really do.
Yes I get you can pay the draftee at, above or below slot but the bottom line is you still have to sign them. If you don’t, then you end up with NOTHING because the entire slotted amount is removed from your total bonus pool. So when the Angels couldn’t sign Prager they lost $948,600 to their overall bonus pool. ( and ironically they are only going to get abut 2/3’s of that back with their 2025 comp pick) The Angels even lost the ability to go over the Prager slot amount by additional 5% ( $47K) since the penalties up to a 5% overage are very light.( its only money right?)
In the case of Gordon, his slot value was $663K. They signed him for about $90K less. If they had not signed him the Angels would not have had another $696K ( $663K + 5%) to add to the Prager kitty. they would have had exactly Bupkis as their Draft Bonus pool would have been reduced by $663,000 . Get the picture? You could argue that Gordon out of the kindness of his heart would have signed for much less than he did but unless you know a guy who knows a guy that would be foolhardy supposition.
In the draft bonus signing game, timing is everything and it would appear the Angels got caught with their pants down by not signing Prager. the 2 largest over slot signings were Trey Gregory-Alford who signed for a record $1.96 million bonus when his 11th round draft slot amount counted Diddley against the Angels Bonus Pool and the 5th rounder Dylan Jordan who got a whopping bonus of $1.25 Million when his draft slot value was only $480K . Both of these players significantly impacted Pragers signing as if either one (or even 3rd round pick Ryan Johnson who signed for $744K over slot) had not been signed the Angels would have had at least $700,000 more to apply to Prager’s Bonus. But apparently The Angels must have liked all of those 3 players more for since there was no money left over to sign the current Texas A & M ace.
So contrary to your postings the signing of Gordon was completely irrelevant in the Prager Sweepstakes .
Hopefully this cleared up any confusion you may have had on how the bonus slot system works.
Incidentally in 2025 the Angels should have $15.86 Million ( + 5%) for their 2025 Draft Bonus Pool. So we can have some more fun interactive discussions next July when the Angels fail to sign another one of their early round round draft picks.
Fontenelle coming in soon. I’m excited to see him hit this year. He’s my dark horse for 3b soon.