LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Torn

Morning Angels fans. Yeah, I know, have some links.

Angels News

It finally happened. Ohtani vs the Angels. Well, Silseth won the first battle. And the Angels won? Wow, actually have a chance to win the Cactus League. Again.

David Eckstein is coaching the under 18 USA team. Also some other former players.

And it begins… Anthony Rendon is injured. Groin injury means he is out for a few days. Allegedly.

Around Baseball

Injuries everywhere right now. Seriously, there are so many, all pitchers. (except the Angels) Because of course.

Verlander will start the season on the IL. He is old, and if he doesn’t pitch enough this year, the Mets save money. Lucas Giolito tore his UCL. A partial tear at the moment, but he could miss the season. Sonny Gray has a hammy issue. He may not make Opening Day. Gausman is out indefinitely with shoulder pain. He may be back in time, but who knows. Shane Baz tweaked an oblique. He may not miss too much time though. Braxton Garrett will not be healthy in time for opening day. His shoulder delayed his spring training. Luis Medina sprained his knee.

Wow.

Unit lost

In non-injury news, the A’s got a stadium rendor. I still feel bad for Oakland.

Now that Josh Donaldson retired, he told a story at how Rickey Henderson taught A’s players how to take a lead off first base and they all sucked at it.

Paul Goldschmidt won the Lou Gehrig Memorial Award.

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Twebur
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1 month ago

No more Katie Porter ads !!

Free at last!!

Cowboy26
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1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

I think I would rather listen to Ross Porter and I hate the Doyers

max
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max
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

Doode, seriously.

Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago

We haven’t been hitting much but we’ve been winning because we’re not giving up many runs. Today the pitching wasn’t sharp and we continued not to hit so we lost both games. Unfortunately, most of the starters are the ones who aren’t hitting. Hicks, Marisnick, Martin, and Neto are the only guys who have been hitting consistently.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

It. Is. Spring. Training. And. Therefore. Meaningless.

Good or bad

2GA2Join
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1 month ago

A mini IIWPM…
I wonder if it would be good to sign Monty, and then package something like Sandy, Suarez and someone else to get a decent young 2B. I’m not talking a superstar, but someone to be our starter. Drury/Rengifo are probably not the answer. Meanwhile, that stays even with 40-man spots. And the slight pitching depth we lose is being addressed by the Wantz/Soriano experiments. Just a thought.

2GA2Join
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1 month ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Of course, Sandy’s game today didn’t help my trade. Maybe Canning?
 😄 

Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Canning only has 2 years of control left so that makes more sense. I do appreciate your creative thinking of ways we could get better long term.

RexFregosi
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1 month ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Giffy is projected to be our 2nd best offensive player

2GA2Join
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1 month ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

However people keep saying he doesn’t really have a defensive position on the field that works. We have had a really badly rated defense recently… we need to have a solid defensive infield.

Angelstan
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1 month ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I get you are trying to be creative. But they cannot pay Rengifo and Drury what they are and sit them. So I don’t see the 2B move. Plus they could have brought in Urshela or one of the other guys signed recently for cheap. They didn’t do so.

2GA2Join
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Yes, I agree… so one of those guys would need to be part of the package sent out.

matthiasstephan
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1 month ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I guess there is no faith in our ‘young 2B’ options? Paris, Placencia? Stefanic and Soto also in the mix. Who would you target ahead of them?

Angelstan
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1 month ago

I don’t know how the Angels will fare over a long season. But it looks like they hired the right coaching staff. The vibe feels different. The pitching looks more reliable. The strategy seems better.

They may hit on a few of their cheap acquisitions. Things could go better than expected.

LanaBanana
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelstan

🤞🏻 🤞🏻 🤞🏻

ihearhowie3.0
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1 month ago

Jim Bowden, known dumbass, has the Angels under 72.5 wins as one of his suggested bets in his most recent article.

Look, I think we had a pretty bad offseason but I think the outsider perspective has now swung a little too far negative. Yeah, we won 73 with Ohtani but the rest of the team was basically dead last year. Any improvement from youngsters and health from Trout and the team should definitely surpass 72 wins.

I also think the lack of spotlight is an under-discussed thing with the Angels. No more memes and Ohtani-fail porn should make the psyche a little more conducive to a looser, more relaxed team.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

It’s all going to depend on health of the key players. I dont think that under 72 wins is that much of an insult given that the team has won 73 games over the last 2 seasons with Trout and Ohtani. If the team stays relatively healthy (like it has not) that could make the big difference. But if any of the key players like Trout, Neto, O’Hoppe, Detmers, Sandoval, Schaunel etc. gets injured (much less multiple injuries) its going to hurt since the team has almost nothing to replace those players and questionable depth. If the team avoids the bad luck of the last few seasons, it could win say 80 games – that is not inconceivable. But the lack of depth means the players need to avoid injury which is something that has not happened. So, bottom line, I can understand the prediction.

Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think that’s a very accurate assessment. I do believe that, 15 Wins aside, Wash’s presence as manager will result in us winning more games than expected based on the talent. Bill James has observed that players “respect for the manager” is actually more impactful on team wins than line-up construction, bullpen management, and overall talent. You could call it the “Dusty Baker” affect.

Fleckstein
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I thought the Dusty Baker Effect was when you roll a ball smugly into your dugout and the other team comes back to win.

Twebur
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1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Also, a new pitching coach (Enright) and a new bullpen coach (Karsay) new run prevention coordinator (Cultice) [love the title “Run Prevention Czar”] new overall pitch-calling strategy, new pitching overall philosophy might also help improve the 2024 team.

We might come to realize that Wise and everything surrounding him really did more harm than good, more often than not, with a large percentage of our pitchers.

We all assume that the replaced regime was not 100% of our pitching issues. But, we may come to find out it was really, really, really bad. If that does end up being the case, I’ll begin to ask the question why it took so long to make the change. If say the Doyers, Rays, ATL, are regarded to be the best in MLB in pitching development, then the opposite must be true, a bottom feeding worst in MLB….I think that was us.

Free us (from) Wise.
Free a pitching staff that is at least league average ( or better!! )
Free Rengifo and the Plumber from soft tissue softness.
Free 81-81

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Cowboy26
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1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

I think the Run Prevention Czar” ran our Offense last year.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

This is the most difficult Angels team to predict in years.

We could finally see the baseball gods smile on us and have Detmers, Canning, and Sandoval live up to their potential. We could see Adell and/or Moniak live up to potential. We have the type of bullpen that should hold leads.

Or we can see the youngsters flame out.

Over the course of 162 I expect to see some great stretches and some rough stretches, but I don’t see 90 losses as a lock.

RexFregosi
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It was murky but spring math is this:

73 wins (baseline) + 15 wins (Ronco) = 88 wins
And if MNT gets 4th MVP = playoffs

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  RexFregosi

With the current roster, my thinking is:

68 + Wash’s 15 WAR gets us to 83 wins for the season.

In my opinion, anything above 80 wins would represent a significant accomplishment

Angelstan
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1 month ago

It’s been a couple years since a winning record so yes that would be an accomplishment

matthiasstephan
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1 month ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I am hard pressed to think 73 wins is the baseline. Sure, we won 73 last year, but we punted the season on Aug 29 (and then went 8-19 in September).

We had a winning record on Aug 4.

I think the team, especially if Trout is healthy, is better than 73 as a starting point.

HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago

Ohtani to the press after the game: “I don’t want to compare organizations, but (which means ignore what I just said) the Dodgers definitely have a different theme about them, a different color about them.” You don’t say.

clover_black
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1 month ago

he’s so quirky!

Kiyotchan
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1 month ago

I did not watch the post, but it is interesting how Ippei translated Sho on that point. This is the way I translated: I think each team has its own color. I am not saying which color is better, but it has been only a month, so Yoshinobu (Yamamoto) and I will eventually get used to Dodgers color.

In Japanese, Color in team or organization means culture or philosophy. Ippei used the word theme.

As many of you noted, Sho will stay away from badmouthing anyone or any team. He will only talk ‘generic’. I propose not to read into his answers too much.

If interested, I translated the whole Q&A session with Sho in last night game thread. That is about 5 minute read. (Translation and checking for grammar and spelling took about an hour and half.)

Last edited 1 month ago by Kiyotchan
HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I think we all know the teams have different colors. One team has a winning culture top to bottom. The other team wears red.

RexFregosi
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1 month ago

” a black and white difference “

WallyChuckChili
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1 month ago

Angels top 30 prospects 2024

#30 has to be the Best Dressed

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/angels/

SchofieldsWalkoff
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1 month ago

#8 Dario Laverde C

I believe this guy is the reason they were comfortable trading Quero. I’m interested to see how he develops in Tri-City/IE.

Jonathon Mayo’s Top 30 review

After Laverde signed for $350,000 in January of 2022, he had a solid debut in the Dominican Summer League, hitting .298 and posting a .403 on-base percentage. He took another step forward during his United States debut in the Arizona Complex League, finishing with a .306/.419/.455 line and getting the Angels excited for what he could do over a full season.

RexFregosi
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1 month ago

Juan Flores got a lot of love too —- and Juan had the ML camp invite

grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago

O’Hoppe IPA is why they traded Quero but always good to have a nice catching prospect in reserve.

RexFregosi
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1 month ago

FunnyNotFunny to see so many kids ranked above Adams (24)

Camden Minassi’s already a favorite

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  RexFregosi

Bad for Adams, good that Perry seems to be getting more talent in the pipeline. It was always depressing to see Adams, Jones, Jackson, and Maitan hovering near the top of the Angels top prospects.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 month ago

#23 might be next best dressed

red floyd
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1 month ago

#26 is probably the best oarsman, though.

AKA_rmhalofan
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1 month ago

It’s amazing how he and Adrian Acosta look so much alike. Could have been separated at birth.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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NEWSFART!!!

Shohei Ohtani is THE FIRST player in history to be listed as a pitcher AND have HIT 100 HR ANNNNNDDDD get married while striking out three times in a spring training game against his old team IN THE SAME WEEK! This guy is doing things we never thought we’d see ever never ever. It is bowel shaking. Let’s go to Mark Kestishire for more….

Twebur
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1 month ago

Breaking news…..Shohei’s mom is not pleased with his new bride’s meatloaf recipe and she frequently puts trash in the recycle bin.

RexFregosi
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1 month ago

*and the Dodgers got shutout, 4-0.

red floyd
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1 month ago

Rendon injured?

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WallyChuckChili
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1 month ago
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red floyd
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1 month ago

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LanaBanana
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1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

Exactly. No one. Except EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF CtPG

smithy610
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1 month ago

Q: How much did you think about the Angels after you signed with the Dodgers?

A: Before I signed, I thought about the Angels a lot, but I think that I have turned attention to the Dodgers as soon as I signed. I am certain that the Angels have also turned their attention to this year’s season without me.

Thanks for this part, Kiyo. Hopefully that’s the end of that guy in taking oxygen in CtPG. Or at least he’s now relegated to just like any other player not playing for the Angels.

I’m on hopium or whatever it is, but a couple of things I’m really excited to see this season is to have Mike Trout be THE MAN again of this team. The other is the youth movement. I remember Perry’s quote when he celebrated the minor league championship a couple of years ago – “I spend a lot of time in the MiL because this is how we will win and sustain winning for a long time.” Well, this is it. I hope he’s right.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

It was Gubi or Patty O who made that point in the post-game yesterday — it was Trout and Pujols, then Trout, Ohtani, and Pujols, then Ohtani and Trout.

Trout is finally solo center stage and the unquestioned/unchallenged leader of this team. You could see how much he enjoyed being the leader of Team USA in the WBC. Pair that with Wash’s expectations of Trout, and Trout’s expectations of himself … feels like a Trout MVP season is upon us.

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Angels2020Champs
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

Hopefully that’s the end of that guy in taking oxygen in CtPG

🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 amen!

Cowboy26
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1 month ago

Meh. What would you want him to say?

Angels2020Champs
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1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

IDGAF. Just stating the captain obvious. imo, he thinks about himself a lot, says very little about it. His prerogative. Kind of an example of why I view baseball as an individual sport masquerading as a team sport.
Hearing him talk about decoy is more exciting, ‘he’s my best friend’. It’s like he knows a dog is man’s best friend or something. I can’t wait to hear him talk about how water is wet, to things it touches.

LanaBanana
Super Member
1 month ago

The projected design for the new stadium for the A’s looks very,umm, Vegas-y.

steelgolf
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1 month ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Or, Sydney Opera House-y. We will see when it is done if it resembles this draft.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Wizard of Oz version of the Sydney Opera House.

Lines up perfectly with the MGM Grand across the street.

I’m looking forward to catching games there. Catch a fight on Saturday night, wait out traffic at the ballpark Sunday afternoon.

Angelz4ever
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1 month ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

How long until the bathrooms back up?

Well, A’s fans are used to gambling with their lives going to a home game, so Vegas makes perfect sense.

BruinsAngelsKings
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Traffic already sucks ass at Flamingo and The Strip, it’s only going to get worse with this location. Hell traffic sucks all up and down The Strip. That and all the damn fees is one reason why we haven’t been to Vegas in 5+ years.

Mikeal1st
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1 month ago

You can’t find the deals you used to.

Angels2020Champs
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1 month ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

The outside, eww. I thought the inside looked cool, especially the right field scoreboard! I’d rather them stay in Oakland. I don’t like opening of new parks (especially using public funds) mainly because it prices my family out of attending.

Mikeal1st
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1 month ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

That’s quite a roof. Makes you wonder about the cooling bill.

WallyChuckChili
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

The roof screen when the As hit a popup.

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RexFregosi
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

yeah it’s called the bleeding edge for a reason

RexFregosi
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1 month ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

my favorite part is 33,000 seats with a terrible TV market

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago

Last post from me this morning before work —
“We can’t do anything without Mike…

…his focus right now and his intent is 100% sold on the Los Angeles Angels. And because his intent is 100% sold, everyone else has to be 100% sold.”

-Ron Washington says Mike Trout is all in on the @Angels

https://twitter.com/jimrome/status/1765126193244987450?t=pPgkp4VMJ5TWqmgQBRd9QQ&s=19

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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From the free The Athletic morning email drop. Written by Sam Blum.

From experience, ”It’s not personal, it’s only business” is a bullshit statement intended to rationalize the situation and make the person delivering the news feel better. If you give your heart to anything, it’s always personal.

This article gives perspective to an outcome we often treat flippantly.

‘You feel like your life’s over:’ The painful limbo of a baseball DFA

By Sam Blum
Mar 5, 2024

Earlier this offseason, a major-league ballplayer was scrolling through X while awaiting a car repair, a mindless activity to pass the time.

Then, suddenly, one post stopped him in his tracks. It was a reporter’s tweet, and it told him he had just lost his job.

This player — who was granted anonymity to speak freely about the episode without harming his future job prospects — was a fringe member of his team’s 40-man roster. He was just days away from reporting to spring training, where he’d have to impress to earn a roster spot.

He was aware that he was on the roster bubble, and every time his team made an acquisition, there was immediate anxiety that a call would notify him that he’d been designated for assignment. He knew his team had made a free-agent signing official earlier that day, a clear warning sign, but he hadn’t received a phone call from the team or from his agent telling him he was losing his roster spot, as would be standard industry practice.

Instead, the team sent out a press release announcing that he’d been cut from the roster.
“I was kind of expecting a call to let me know before I found out on the internet,” said the player. “My heart kind of dropped because I wasn’t expecting it. It’s like you take a sip, and you’re expecting water, and it’s coke.”

The team says that it made an attempt to reach the player’s agent over the phone, but it didn’t go through since the agent was on a flight. Instead of waiting to be sure the player was made aware — or notifying him directly — the team opted to make the news public.

The player, who had never been DFA’d before, said he was left to look up what he was supposed to do next on MLB.com’s online glossary.

“When it first happens, you’re in your own head,” the player said. “You’re like, ‘Do they think I’m not good enough?’ You start running those kinds of situations. And if someone were to have come along and said, ‘Hey, this is what we thought about why we did it.’ That kind of eases you into the thought process.

“… so yeah, I expected a call.”

The DFA process is cruel by its very nature, to an extent that fans might not realize. This was an extreme example of how it can be disappointing, confusing and isolating for players who have little standing in the game and even less wealth accrued, but every DFA is its own misery for the player going through it. Transactions like these can spell the end of careers, and those involved on all sides stress the importance of communication and humanity to mitigate some of the pain.

“Players might not always like the news,” said one major-league executive for a different team, “but you pride yourself on delivering it in a way where they’re hearing it from you. And they’re not reading about it.”

The purpose of a DFA is to remove a player from the 40-man roster. After that, the team has seven days to trade that player or put him on waivers. If he goes un-traded or unclaimed, the player is either outrighted to the Triple-A roster or released.

The DFA process is often an afterthought for the common baseball fan. It’s the baseball equivalent of getting fired.

“You don’t exist when you’re in DFA limbo,” said Guardians manager Stephen Vogt, who was DFA’d three times during his playing career. “It’s lonely and you start going down rabbit holes of what-ifs, start thinking the whole world is looking at you and in reality, no one’s looking at you. It’s a really tough place to be.”

The process leaves players in purgatory. And it can lead to them being shipped all over the country at a moment’s notice.

Take, for example, pitcher Kyle Tyler. Two years ago, he was DFA’d by the AngelsRed Sox, Padres and Angels again, all in the span of three weeks during spring training.
Each time it’s a gut punch. Going from starting anew with a new organization to being irrelevant there just days later.

“Once I was told that I was DFA’d, it’s almost like I didn’t exist within that organization anymore,” said Tyler, who is in spring training with the Marlins this year on a minor-league contract. “There was no communication with any other coaches, any other front office staff. Nothing.” Tyler pitched for the Angels in 2021 and the Padres in 2022. (Jonathan Daniel / Getty Images)
Communication is easier during the season; in-season, teams can call a player into an office, notify them, and explain the subsequent steps. The offseason makes for a more fraught process. No matter when it takes place, one agent said, “Nine times out of 10, the player knows before the agent.” A sentiment that most around the game agree with. That said, the team will often also communicate with the player’s agent, especially during the winter.

“At first it’s a little bit of a shock. You never think that it’s going to happen,” said infielder Kevin Padlo, who has been DFA’d six times. “It’s like, ‘What’s next?’ You don’t really know when it happens for the first time what the next steps are.”

Padlo received a call from Tampa Bay Rays GM Erik Neander when he was DFA’d for the first time in 2021. Neander walked him through the process and explained what they believed the likely outcome would be.

Outfielder Bligh Madris had one of his five career DFA’s occur over the holidays in late 2022.

“When (the GM’s) name pops up on your phone, your heart drops a little bit,” said Madris, who is in camp with the Detroit Tigers on a minor-league contract this spring. “You’re hoping they’re calling to check on you, but sometimes it’s the worst thing. They go, ‘Hey, we’re gonna have to make a move. And we decided to designate you for assignment. They ask, ‘Are there any questions for us?’

“At that moment you’re just kind of blank. You really don’t know what to say. Then you get off the phone and two hours later you have a bunch of questions. You kind of go numb for a little bit. I’m not gonna lie to you. I’ve been numb a few times.”

What can compound the anxiety is uncertainty about how long it will take. In an ideal scenario, the team will communicate whether or not they will attempt to trade the player, and, if not, how long before they’re placed on waivers.

If that answer isn’t obvious right away, then the agent and team typically communicate. But good communication only ices the burn. There’s no healing it.

“Sometimes they get angry, but more often than not, you can tell their heads are spinning,” the major-league executive said. “You can see in their eyes. You like these guys, they’re good people. You just try to put their mind at ease. Because the reality is that nothing you say is going to make it easy on them.”

As part of the 2022 Collective Bargaining Agreement, MLB and the Players Association agreed to change rules on player options. Teams were utilizing that transaction to shuttle players back and forth from the majors to the minors with increasing frequency.
The union responded by negotiating a policy that capped the number of option uses in one season at five. There are, however, no policies to limit players from being in DFA purgatory over and over again. There also are no rules regarding streamlined communication. And no guarantees for players to access team facilities as they await resolution.

While players still receive pay and accrue service time during the wait, there are seemingly some loopholes that could be closed or changed in the next CBA negotiation.
“Each year provides an opportunity to appreciate how existing rules are being treated and whether, and to what extent, there are adjustments that may need to be made,” said MLB Players Association executive director Tony Clark. “Being DFA’d, being picked up, being DFA’d, being picked up, being DFA’d, being picked up — there are challenges associated with it … that have always resonated.

“We’ll have to determine how often it’s happening, where it’s happening, and perhaps why it’s happening. And from there, if we need to make adjustments … we’ll look to address them next time.”
becoming too onerous. (Jose Luis Magana, File / Associated Press)
Clark noted that scenarios like what Tyler dealt with are “rare,” but they’re monitoring such situations to gauge if they are happening more often. This offseason, infielder Diego Castillo was DFA’d by the Diamondbacks, claimed by the Mets, then claimed by the Yankees, then claimed by the Phillies, then claimed by the Orioles. He was finally DFA’d by the Orioles and went unclaimed, and was outrighted.

Most DFAs amount to dead time for players. For pitchers, it can mean not throwing at all for a week. Tyler said he often heaved plyo balls against his wall. Padlo, who is in spring training with the Los Angeles Dodgers this year on a minor-league deal, got the news of his most recent DFA in an Atlanta hotel room after spending just one day with the Angels last season. Sometimes the teams will allow players to use facilities at certain hours, but that’s not a given.

There’s no blueprint for what a player does next, other than wait. And perhaps there will be a way to address that moving forward.

“The only way you can provide stability is by actually providing the stability,” said Tigers manager A.J. Hinch. “I’ve seen these guys get bounced around on waivers from team to team, especially this time of year. I feel for their preparation and the chaos that’s created.”

And yet sometimes players find out their roster fates on social media.
“Both players and agents understand that it’s part of business,” said one agent. “But a little more communication would be appreciated. I’ve been through it before with a team that was communicative. It’s not the easiest conversation to have, but it’s a necessary one. It makes the process so much easier and there aren’t hard feelings after the fact.”

While the misery of the DFA process mostly applies to fringe players, many well-known names have been DFA’d. Albert Pujols was let go by the Angels. Liam Hendricks had the same fate with the Royals. Nelson Cruz, he of 464 career homers, was cut by the Rangers and Padres.

When great players are dealt this fate, it’s major news. But it happens every single day to lesser names.

Vogt is now a manager. When one of his players gets DFA’d, he’ll likely deliver the news, bringing the empathy and understanding of someone who has been through it himself to the exchange.

“You understand what people have gone through to fight,” Vogt said. “You get one shot at this career.”

Vogt has been through the most painful of moments. Getting DFA’d in the middle of a 13-hour car ride to Durham to start the season. Taking batting practice as his wife Alyssa flipped him baseballs because there were suddenly no coaches available to do so.
These are the uncertain moments that a DFA creates that no one sees, and thus, no one understands.

“You feel like the world’s crashing on you,” Vogt said. “You feel like your life’s over.”
But even in that misery exists some optimism.

“In some ways, it’s the best thing that could have ever happened for you, because it’s a fresh start somewhere else,” Vogt said.

Angels2020Champs
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1 month ago

If it’s a free link, just link it? A thought, maybe some like the extended long form.

Read the player as woah is me a bit, he knew he was a fringe roster player. His agent or representatives could have provided insight. He, himself, could’ve forged better relationships within the organization to gain a little insight in past players experiences and/or ‘earn that respect of a phone call’. I’m very much against most billionaire organizations but it is upon the employee to know their environment a bit. Anonymity might ‘help’ him land another job, but taking ownership, accountability and responsibility never hurt. Best case, he can add another chip on his shoulder. Worst case, use it as an excuse that ‘no one ever loooooved mehhh’.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago

that is a good piece. I think most of us have been fired, laid off, or somehow let go from an organization. It sucks.

At least with us we’re allowed to kick out resumes and start looking for a new employer that same day if we want. Having to wait around for a week would be painful.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

This player may be Jam
?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Agree. The fact that some of these guys are finding out about being released through the internet is inexcusable.

Since Sam focuses on the Angels, I’m wondering if the anonymous example of the player being released and not receiving a call from the team was Perry?

Twebur
Legend
1 month ago

Agree……but if I can make that amount of cash, you can announce my release anyway you want….Even while I’m eating my chile dogs at Wienerschnitzel.😀

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago

Welcome to Barry Enright’s Pitching Lab:

Reid Detmers
Patrick Sandoval
Griffin Canning
Chase Silseth
Tyler Anderson

Jose Soriano
Jose Suarez
Zach Plesac
Davis Daniel
Kenny Rosenberg
Andrew Wantz

Victor Mederos
Sam Bachman
Jack Kochanowicz
Caden Dana

Starting pitching depth? Starting pitching depth!

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Depth? Yes

Quality depth? Too early to say

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago

Definitely a lot of filler in AAA, which is why I support the org’s decision to stretch out Soriano and Wantz. I’m not the biggest fan of Suarez, Plesac, or Rosenberg. However, I like our MLB rotation and Mederos and Dana really excite me.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Agreed on all fronts.

Soriano and Wantz have pitched decently out of the bullpen and bullpen injuries are a given for every team. I’d rather have them as depth.

And considering their limited innings in recent years, I can’t see them being both stretched out and healthy/available to start games late in the season.

Seems like we’re going to waste a year with them.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Hoping they do something better than Skaggs, Heaney, Shoemaker, et. al.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 month ago

Two take aways from the game yesterday. First the Angels hitters worked the counts for 8 walks. 8 WALKS in one game is awesome. Second is our pitchers issued only 2 walks! What’s going on here 😂 

Trout, Shohei and Ippei had a happy Spring reunion yesterday prior to the game. Kool 🙂 

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago

Ron Washington and Barry Enright are the answers to your questions, GP 😇😇😇

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

15 WAR!!!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

Spring training or regular season?

Cowboy26
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

And Alex Cultice and Steve Karsay and EY Jr and Jerry Narron and Johnny Wash and Tim Laker and Bo Porter

The only thing I don’t understand is why Perry’s remaining BFF Ray Montgomery still has a job in this organization . He’s been sitting on the bench as a witness to this shit show now for a couple of years and has done nothing to improve this team or our players

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Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Assume he’s Perry’s eyes and ears in the dugout. Nothing more, nothing less.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s good to provide a bit of continuity too. I imagine he’s been a big help for Ron this spring on getting stuff organized

Kiyotchan
Super Member
1 month ago

Hi, Grandpa. I am still lurking mostly as read-only participant. You are one of my favorite CtPGers! Since you mentioned Shohei, I had to post. In case you are interested, I posted last night’s Shohei Q&A translation in last nights game thread. Since many CtPGers moved on from Shohei, I decided not to copy and paste in this thread.

I thought you might be happy to hear that I have decided to return to high school baseball umpiring in Portland. Some of the head coaches remembered me, and they said they were happy to hear I have returned.

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HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 month ago

How would you love to be an 18u player getting to play for David Eckstein? Wow. Talk about trying to be a sponge.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Here’s was a great interview with Rick and David Eckstein that was recently on HotStove. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRAVLwDZ43Q

red floyd
Legend
1 month ago

Oddly, of all the things that Eckstein did as a Halo, the one that sticks in my mind the most is the time he fouled off a pitch-out to save Kennedy on the bases. We’re talking a pitch-out that was almost out of the other batter’s box.
Totally selfless player.

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halofansince1978
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

I remember and there’s got to be video of that.

red floyd
Legend
1 month ago

Game 1 vs. the MFY.

red floyd
Legend
1 month ago

And it’s somewhere in here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1CKWxAW4lU

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

Because of my business, I’m pretty tied in to some old-school baseball guys—ex-managers, multi-year players, etc. If you want to talk respect as a baseball player, there are few that are regarded higher than Epstein by those guys. If you asked “Best baseball player without the physical tools”, he’d be right there. Here’s what is awesome to hear. A lot of those guys would use Epstein as a comp for Neto. And that is not saying Neto doesn’t have tools but how they play the game is what they are referring to. I can’t wait to see what he does this year.

Last edited 1 month ago by HalosFanForLife
2GA2Join
Super Member
1 month ago

Wait, Epstein?
Eckstein?

Twebur
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

and if it is Epstein….which one?

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red floyd
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

Actually, it’s Epstein’s Mother.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Love the Ricky story Josh Donaldson told. There are tons of fast guys that have come into the league. But Ricky wasn’t just fast. He got huge leads and was great at reading. Enrique Bradfield, Jr. is the first guy that reminds me of how Ricky put pressure on the defense just taking a lead. Of course, he doesn’t hit like Ricky. The record is safe.

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Feel for Boston, they did not see how much of a flop Giolito was last year and gave him a big money contract. And they traded Sale away. Now that he’s hurt, may see them competing for Snell and Monty services. Not like it seems Angels are close to signing either as of yet.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

No, I don’t think I could ever feel sorry for the Red Sox actually. Hope they sign Snell and get him off the market.

Brent
Super Member
1 month ago

::insert Angels baseball hope cycle here::

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Brent

Brent, you seem to lack any overflowing confidence and Hopeium in our boys, after all they will win at least 70 games this season. 😂 

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago

Ah, ah, ahhh! We HOPE they will win at least 70 games this season!

red floyd
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Let us remember the words of our sage. We Will Win Some Games.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

But 1st, we will play some games

Twebur
Legend
1 month ago

Not Rendon😀

steelgolf
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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