What started as a battle of two soft-tossers, Greinke vs. Anderson, turned into a battle of runs.
Bobby Witt Jr. of the Royals got it started with an RBI single in the top 3rd, but Mike Trout came to the rescue in the bottom of the inning with an RBI single of his own to tie it at 1-1.
The Royals didn’t like being behind, so in the 4th inning old Angel Matt Duffy and MJ Melendez hit a double and triple to make it 3-1 Royals.
Once again, though, the Angels answered back in the bottom of the inning, thanks to Hunter Renfroe muscling up with a home run barely inside the left field foul pole, hitting a kid in the process. The kid did end up with the ball though, and the Angels cut the deficit to 3-2.
The next inning, Mike Trout showed off his skill yet again, smashing a 425 ft. homer to centerfield, giving the Halos a 4-3 lead!
The lead wouldn’t last with Anderson giving up an RBI single to Hunter Dozier. Andrew Wantz came in and seemed like he would end the inning with a double play. But, as fate would have it, Zach Neto’s perfect throw back to first on a 3-6-3 double play turned into an error and 2 runs scored when Urshela completely missed the catch.
Time to answer back again! Renfroe answered the call yet again in the bottom of the 6th with his second homer of the game!
Then a Brandon Drury hit was followed up by a Zach Neto RBI single to tie the game at 6!
Two innings later, the much-maligned Matt Thaiss pounded a 2-run homer into the old right-field bullpen to give us an 8th-inning 2-run lead at 8-6.
That should’ve meant a sure victory with Quijada coming in to close out the game for a second night in a row, right? Right?! Nope! The wheels fell off “Spicy Time” in this game starting in earnest with an RBI double that was the result of an overturned home run by Kyle Isbel. Then Edward Olivares has a sac fly to tie the game. That was followed up by Melendez being hit by a pitch with the bases loaded, because of course. Then Hunter Dozier scored another two runs on a hit to right field. The inning mercifully ended on a rundown.
Another comeback wasn’t in the books in the bottom of the 9th, unfortunately. Ward and Trout struck out and Shohei hit a tapper that resulted in an out on a nice play by Royal pitcher Barlow. Game over, 11-8 Royals, blah!
One of the things that all of us Angels fans share in is in the familiarity with losing ugly.
When we lose ugly, it’s ugly…..
I am happy to say that I don’t think most of us are comfortable with losing ugly. We want better. Accepting incompetence, poor judgement, lack of effort as a normal process is losing a part of our manhood, or womanhood.
That’s why we bitch and moan on this platform.
Because we demand and want better.
Now the Gitch has said that we should bitch less and gitch more.
But, how many of us can fly as close to the sun as the Gitch?
Sonofagitch
When DV and the stormtroopers appear that can only mean one thing…….
Yep you lost your binky again
That your Ritalin ran out and your mommy hasn’t come down to the basement to feed you yet?
in happier news, Adell, Cabbage, Padlo back-to-back-to-back HRs yesterday. Adell now with 10 HRs in 20 games.
As Marsh continues to rake this week in the Mile High thin air, I think we also need to talk about the Taylor Ward issue. In the last 11 games hes batting 4 for 35 with 1 double 2 walks and 11 K’s. I know he prides himself on his plate discipline but He doesn’t seem to be driving the ball anymore to left everything Ive seen is center right. I’m sure he thinks he can let the ball travel into the zone longer but I dont remember him being this bad during last years breakout season.
Why not send Ward down to the great Salt Lake since he still has one option left to get his swing back? We can send his personal hitting guru down there with him. We can then b bring up Adell to take his spot.As EiP just mentioned Adell hit his 9th & 10th home runs yesterday (one in each of the double header games) but more importantly he has 13 walks in 91 PA’s and seems much more confident at the plate
it isn’t right at this time of sorrow about O’Hoppe’s shoulder to mention that Marsh leads the majors in OPS. So don’t do it, EiP!
Adell has that power but his average is low for AAA, .276 last I looked. Cabbage is at something like .385 so I’d bring him up and jettison Lamb.
So that’s our move….bring up CabbageAdell and jettison WardLamb…done.
I’ll alert the media.
Thought he sucked along with anything or anybody else that’s connected to the best GM we’ve ever had.
Bold idea…..
Adell could hit 70 home runs, means very little, right? We’ve seen this movie before.
agreed. 10 HRs in 20 games….Perry, get on the phone!
Who are you going to sit? Shohei, Ward Trout or Renfro?
Ward & Lamb
At this point I’m giving at bats to Adell. From Ward, from Phillips.
Because Angels……..Ward will go 3-4 today with a HR and 3 RBI.
But it won’t probably matter. Again, because Angels.
Good dumping Phillips today. Bring Adell up. It being April, just feels a little early to dump Ward to AAA. Ohtani, Rendon, Drury are not hitting either. Urshella is drifting back to earth. It’s April…
Give Cabbage 50+ ABs see what he can do. Warn everyone that he has severe whiff rates and unlikely to move the runners around the bases. But I don’t like Lamb either.
by “on the phone” I mean to other GMs. A hot Adell is trade bait.
Yet he still can’t hit MLB pitching, dude we’ve already talked about this, are you related to him or what? Let it go already……he’s a bust along with Eppler’s other first round picks except for Reid Detmers
Incomplete grade Ghosty……..but if I’m betting, my money is on bust.
Because Angels.
Very sad for O’Hoppe but I was expecting that news. He will be back in 2024 most likely. I do not expect to see him in 2023. I am guessing that the team will give him the full time to heal and not rush him back. Such a great kid. Such a bummer for those of us who were enjoying watching him and hoping for a possible ROY.
Quick question for all of you – since O’Hoppe was playing in the majors when the injury took place, does his time on the IL for surgery and rehab count as service time?
I believe so.
O’Hoppe out 4-6 months with a torn labrum. It just gets better.
Surgery?
Yes.
Yes
https://www.mlb.com/news/logan-o-hoppe-shoulder-surgery?partnerID=mlbapp-iOS_article-share
Same injury as Tatis . Hopefully he doesn’t get popped using the HGH
so he could be back for the playoffs! But I’m sure we’ll see him next in 2024.
60-IL for IHOP….40 man roster spot open….Quero?
I bet Joyce.
With only 67 career AB’s he’ll still be a rookie in 2024.
That really is too bad, good kid and good player. He was probably fighting through it for a while. We will miss his bat in the lower half of the lineup. I’m hopeful for a FULL recovery with no loss of strength.
That sucks, he was such an important part of our team and I really enjoyed watching him
Dammit!!!
Sucks
So did our medical staff screw something up?
Seems like he should not have been playing after the first injury. You have to wonder if he had a small tear that went undiagnosed, and now we’ve allowed him to completely blow his shoulder apart.
Is every single part of the Angels org a miserable piece of shit?
I’m thinking about this too. Should they have practiced caution the first time during the Boston series? Or did they just rely entirely on O’Hoppe’s word that he’s feeling alright? It would really suck if the final nail on the coffin was the Yankees AB, if the Boston AB would have only resulted into a 2-week rest to have fully healed up.
So Phil tried the hot hand in Quijada to see if he could nail the game down last night and it was Quijada that failed. Hit batsman and a rocket off the yellow line. The fans here have your answer if you think Spicy Pants is the closer. Lots of posts after Friday’s game seem to anoint him as the closer. Pretty easy inning Friday night so not like he was over taxed. I had no concern bringing him back in last night. But Spicy has control issues and will have a melt down once in a while, Estvez too. What other option did the manager have?
Yep. That one was not on Phil. Agreed
The issue with Phil Nevin is not that he used Estvez or Quiijada, it is he does not recognize when the pitchers are not on their game and has a slow hook. Last night was just another night of this occurrence and that means he is a slow learner. He didn’t even have Warren warming up until the damage was taking place.
He stays with relief pitchers too long. We’ve seen him replace a lefty relief pitcher who was getting outs with another lefty who got hit hard. We’ve in addition to having caused losses with his pitching decisions seen him ask Shohei to steal a base on a rain soaked infield (Shohei was out). We’ve seen him use Rengifo as a defensive replacement late in a game.
And the beat goes on with this clown. Cameras show him during times that a pitcher is being rocked looking like he is not understanding what is going on. In interviews he will talk about how a pitcher was looking good when in fact he was not even throwing strikes. Last night his radar was slow kicking in when from Q’s first pitch , Q was not right.
I do not place every loss of Nevin, far from it, but he has lost 3 games so far. He is probably being told what line up to use, but once the game starts he is on his own and that is when a manager has either got it or doesn’t, as everyone can pick their own opinion.
It was his 9th appearance of the year and 3 times hes pitched in back to back games so I dont think it’s an overwork . The Royals RHB’s seemed to pick up the ball well from him but it was really the LHBs that killed us last night. The Angels were 8-0 in games Queso had appeared in prior to last night So It’s hard to blame Phil on that one.
Still, I would have brought in Estevez to pitch the ninth last night simply because the Royals batters had seen lefties all night and the matchups IMO favored a RHP better than LHP in that inning.
Also, While I was pleasantly surprised we got a great offensive performance out of Thaiss last night ( he had 4 really good at bats last night) I would have pulled him in the ninth in favor of Wallach behind the plate. I think it’s safe to say that his receiving skills are atrocious. Why else would you explain the teams 1-4 record when he’s behind the plate where the pitchers have given up an average of almost 8 runs in each of those games? The Angels put Brett Wallace in left in the ninth as a defensive replacement. Why not put Wallach in as well? He seems to have a great rapport with all of the pitchers while Thaiss is still learning back there.
Very good observation with Thaiss. Late game defensive changes while always being very important did not cause the Q melt down last night, we are going to miss O’Hoppe no matter what we do. But as you pointed out, having a 1-4 record does not lend itself to the confidence side of things.
Fair enough but the first two batters were left handers so it did not bother me too much. Quijada dominated last year against that side of the plate but RH hitters, not good. Just they way he leans back to fire a pitch, he only hopes it goes where the catcher calls. Thus far, Estevez seems to be a similar type but from the right side but has more MLB experience. Both lack good command.
Yeah, I have zero confidence in Thaiss, raw catcher and Phil should know that. He should not even be rostered, needs a fresh start elsewhere. Angels could never develop him. Put a fork in it.
Fire at Disneyland and a dumpster fire at the stadium…..at the same time. Coincidence
or an arsonist among us.
https://twitter.com/ScottGustin/status/1650081266916532225?s=20
Or DeSantis sent an operative out to apply a little squeeze. HEY, NO POLITICS!
Or the Anaheim Cabal led by Arte and his partner in crime, Harry Sidhu were applying a little pay back for the Evil Mouse contributions in torpedoing the stadium deal?
Walt’s gonna be pissed! Seriously though, pretty ugly to have it catcher fire in front of guests.
In front of guests, set by GhostGuest?
Our catcher has caught fire in front our guests before.
https://angelsnation.com/angels-news-defensive-miscues-lead-to-ninth-inning-meltdown/2022/08/16/
Now that IHOP is done for the year….Edgar Quero? You seem to think his glove isn’t ready? Can it be worse Thadius? Bat apparently ready..worth looking at.
I know he’s really young, might be time to say what the F and bring him up and see what he can do.
Only worried about his long term development, repeating what appears to be the problem bringing up Adell too early…..if that has anything to do with his lack of development. Seems like a go to Perry move now.
Need Stassi back soon or we need to make a trade . Thats about our only 2 options.
Dick question….why do we not know what his status is? Hopefully it’s not serious with the family issue or it’s been resolved. This is professional sports, and they don’t normally hide this that long, not even with negative publicity being a factor….not saying its negative with Stassi. The secretive nature is odd
Sounds personal
Move to strike your honor. I’ll rephrase the question.
Does anyone know if and when Max will play baseball for us again?
As much as I would like to see Q, too early in my opinion. Go out and get a veteran catcher, pair him up with Wallach. When Max gets back, reevaluate the roster.
My father-in-law Abe was from a Jewish family that came to America from Poland in between the two World Wars. He was an old guard kind of guy who loved horse racing and would go to the track a couple times a month with his pencilled-over Racing Form.
He loved all sports, though. He enjoyed watching feats of spectacular athleticism. He never had a favorite team that he followed, but he loved watching the stars of the various sports — he wanted to see with his own eyes if these guys were bums or if they deserved their big money contracts.
Maybe that’s the way to go. It might be better than the extreme bipolar rollercoaster ride that causes an endless cycle of temporary elation and long-lingering anguish.
I got to watch my favorite team win a championship. I checked that off my bucket list. Perhaps I should be satisfied with that and draw from the example of my father-in-law and learn a new way to sportsfan.
That’s what being an Angels fan does, makes you ponder philosophically why not being a fan is the way to go lol. Maybe I’ll just follow players as well. Hmm I think I’ll go with the unicorn Ohtani and Trout… but then their athletic feats would def be better viewing in high stakes games with everything on the line, not in meaningless July games 12 back hopelessly out of it, and dammit I’m back to square one.
There is another way to look at this…relax it’s Fucking April.
Yeah, but if the Angels are going to have just enough victories to win that last wildcard spot, they need to be winning a little bit more in April than they have been.
Agree you wont make the playoffs in April.
But, you can not make the playoffs in April.
My syntax is suspect but you get the point.
Ummm, yes you CAN fuck it up in April.
Indeed…”It’s still early.”
The 2002 team proved you can screw up in April and still make the playoffs as long as you do something ridiculous like go 93-49 the rest of the season.
I have three simple words for you :
“It’s still early.”
Relax? Nah… nothing says this team will turn this around.
The Angels have the market cornered on “fail fast and frequently”
“fail fast and furious and frequently”
With all the oscillating the Angels are doing, in every aspect of the game, it seems like they are going to be wavering slightly above and slightly below .500 all year long so that there is a 50/50 chance they will have a winning record at season’s end.
https://youtu.be/t1xOZyBc2Ck
Lost in all this is that we’re getting some amazing offensive contributions from the Catcher position. O’Hoppe, Thaiss, and Wallach have contributed much more at the plate than what we got from Stassi and Suzuki last year.
I have a serious question. Do we have the worst manager in all of MLB?
Seriously.
I really think Nevin might be the sorriest manager there is. I mean, who is worse? Of course he was Perry’s handpicked guy. Doesn’t say much for our GM either… He gets his puppet of choice.. one that will continue to lose games that can’t be lost.
My take is that Nevin only got the job this year because at the time he got it, the team was up for sale. He was a placeholder for this year alone until new ownership could evaluate what they wanted to do. Likely Perry would be gone under new ownership too.
But then Arte changed his mind. “Unfinished business” indeed.
That is the way I see it. I did not hurt Phil that the players had Phil’s back and liked playing for him.
I think it has most to do with the fact the GM has substantial control over certain field decisions and Nevin goes along with that. That’s my perception at least.
Well, yeah. I have said as much many times. Clearly Perry brought him back because he would be easy to control. That was not the case with Maddon.
I’ll meet 1/2 way…more controllable vs no control.
Not ready to blame Phillip..not sure he’s in the top 3 of our problems
I would not put him at the top of the list. That is clearly Arte.
However, he has cost us games, in particular, I put the Blue Jays loss on April 9th FULLY on Nevin.
The best pick up in the off season was Renfroe hands down. Slow start but now a house on fire, can’t be stopped.
Urshela has been a wonderful addition also. What do these two guys have in common, they are not coming off career years.
Anderson is a good case in point, as he is coming off a career year. Rendon was signed after a career year.
The Renfroe point highlights the pathetic state of this franchise ; we bring in a fantastic player like that who is absolutely raking, and he has his best game of the season hitting 2 HR’s and we STILL find a way to lose…How many other teams have a guy hit 2HR’s and still lose ??
This is a pattern for us — we waste these great offensive games. We waste Grand Slams (Urshela in Boston) and we waste multi-HR games. This happened alot last season, as we did it to Shohei on a few occasions, one was against this same Royals team.
Why is it that we never seem to be able to win these high-scoring games? Lose to the Blue Jays, lose to the Red Sox, and now lose to the lowly Royals.
The sad Donkey is a good symbol for this team as that is what the Angels are, “pathetic.”
The manager doesn’ make the plays on the field…players have to perform.
Managers are hired to be fired so that will happen…but he isn’t the problem.
I would say he is not the whole problem, but he IS part of the problem.
PERRY ISN’T BILLY BEANE
Yep. Bullpen is bullshit.
sorry but I find Your comments to be Hyperbolic babble. Each team loses 60 to 100 games a year. Do you know how many of those losses included great individual offensive performances by players on the losing team?
Our problem is not the result of some bad losing attitude infestation. but bad pitching and until we get more consistent performances from all of our pitching staff not named Ohtani we will be mediocre ball club.
Well, quite simply I disagree. And you’ve become quite verbally aggressive towards me lately Cowboy, and I don’t know why…Maybe it is because I agreed with a few of the anti-Rendon comments ?
In regards to the Angels we’ll have to agree to disagree. Despite the fact that it can’t be measured with a scale or slide rule team culture is a real thing. When you see the teams that have it (Rays for example) you understand that.
The mysterious influence of “luck” is like that. When we lose games the way we did to the Blue Jays on 4/9 where they got a bunch of bloopers that fall in, that also becomes clear. Why is it that good teams like the Rays seem to get the majority of those “lucky” breaks, while we seem to suffer from not getting them? Instilling a winning culture and attitude has alot to do with that in my opinion. In other words, the old aphorism that “luck is the residue of design” is actually true.
Because Perry’s ridiculous and absurd 2020 MLB Draft strategy with the 20 pitchers has turned into a 55 gal drum of elephant diarrhea. Chase Silseth just doesn’t cut it. Perry sucks way worse than Nevin and yet Nevin catches all the hell from 80%er Nation
BYE!!! 💪 💪 💪
If you don’t feel that we never should have lost this game, well, you are simply unemotional. If you feel upset, angry, then you feel emotions that only a true Angels fan can feel. How can we seem to play up to the competition and lose to these weaker teams? Because the other teams want to beat Trout and Ohtani. That’s their motivation.
Maybe we’re the problem.
We expect wins.
We expect players to give 100% on every pitch.
We expect the Manager to know the strengths and limitations of their players – and make decisions that align to the player’s strengths.
We expect the GM to build a team, not a collection of the “best available individuals”.
We expect the front office to create the environment whereby the team can be successful.
We expect the owner to listen to the experts and not be “the news”.
TAME was prophetic: the team will win some games. Not all the games, but some of the games. Playing .500 ball may be the best it gets for this team. I’ll bury deep down inside the desire for the team to win most of their games, and be happy when they win some of the time.
Looking in th mirror…what a concept!!
Yep – instead of complainjng on-line, I drove to the ballpark and watched in person. Expected a shit show and saw a good game. We will win some games
Two blown saves in one game…so much for, “The bullpen has been better.”
In a season chock-full of inexplicable losses this one takes the cake. Can’t even feel good for the shoulda been game winning 2 run bomb for half an inning. Up 8-6 in the 9th to a 4 win team after the momentum of that HR, and lose 11-8.
Tyler Anderson: I forgave his last 2 bad outings but it’s now 3 in a row, and against KC? Maybe the dodgers knew what they were doing when they let him go.
Sandoval: he didn’t pitch tonight but man he has to go deeper in games. Even many of his good outings are 5 innings 100 pitches.
Rendon: He better start doing something bc if he doesn’t it’s not hyperbole to declare this the worst contract in baseball history. We’re in year 4 of $245 mil and he’s done absolutely nothing. Ops+ of 66 so far is beyond pathetic. Even pujols with his horrible contract had decent years in 2012, 2014, 2015 and 2016, .268 31 119. Imagine if Rendon went .268 31 119 this year I can’t, no one can. His cumulative 4 year totals might not approach pujols’s 2016.
Trout: well he showed he can hit a hr off a 40 year old pitcher with an 84 mph fastball who threw him a 74 mph gopher ball.
Every time I see Grienke I can’t help but think what it woulda been like to pay him instead of Hamilton and then kept trouts best friend and mentor Hunter. Hunter played well for twins, grienke was amazing on Dodgers. 2013-2015 woulda been so much better.
Thoughts inside Tyler Anderson’s mind:
“They are willing to commit $39 million over 3 years to me. To ME?! Where do I sign?!”
Before I totally give up on Anderson I would like to see him with a battery mate other than Thaiss. He has indeed been horrible with Thaiss behind the plate ; I’d like to see how he does with Stassi or Wallach or whomever, but don’t pair him with Matt Thaiss again..
I repeat, Perry is a very slow learner..
Rendon another error and batting .217 is not good.
This guy is so much worse than Pujols that it is not even funny.
As that dude said above, Rendon’s 4 year totals might not even approach Albert’s 2016 !!!
Arte gave Pujols 10 years – $240M, he gave Rendon 7 years – $245M. The TCV was painful with big Al, the AAV is painful with Rendon.
I agree with you that for reasons including the contract and beyond, Rendon has proven much more harmful to the franchise than Pujols.
What could have been if the “great businesman” gave Ohtani a massive payday during the 2021 MVP season using money that ended up with Rendon.
I think Rendon was signed after the 2019 offseason. Do that money was long spent by Ohtani’s MVP season.
Brutal loss tonight. Really sucks to have a lead going into the ninth-inning and lose the game particularly against a weak KC team. That one was tough.