Adell From Hell Postgame

Tonight Patrick Sandoval faced off against Martin Perez. Both sides went three up three down for the first two innings, therefore I have no highlights to share. There was this lowlight. Jo Adell was called out after review on a bang bang play at first.

Nick Solak singled and Ezequiel Duran walked to put Rangers on in the third inning. Patrick Sandoval worked his way out of trouble to leave it at a scoreless ball game after two and a half. The Angels kept it that way by failing to get a man on base in the bottom half of the third inning.

In the fourth inning Sandoval retired the Rangers in order and martin Perez returned the favor in the Angels half of the frame. Still no highlights.

Patrick Sandoval still seemed to be cruising in the fifth inning until he hit Nick Solak to extend the inning. After throwing a few more pitches to Ezequiel Duran, he picked off Nick Solak to keep the game scoreless.

The Angels sure weren’t looking at a lot of pitches today. Perez had only pitched about 42 pitches through four innings when Taylor Ward came up and grounded out on the first pitch he saw. At least Jo Adell doubled with one out to break up the perfecto. It didn’t lead to anything because Walsh and Suzuki both very promptly made outs to end the inning.

It’s time to work in another lowlight. It’s Jo Adell again. The less said the better. I’ll let the video speak for itself. 1-0 Rangers.

A little theme music for your listening enjoyment.

Adolis Garcia also doubled in the sixth inning after Jonah Heim had walked. Heim scored. 2-0 Rangers. Nathaniel Lowe singled to put men at first and third with two outs whereupon Patrick Sandoval was replaced by Andrew Wantz. Wantz retired Elier Hernandez on one pitch to stop the bleeding.

Brandon Marsh walked in the bottom of the sixth inning to get the Angels another base runner. David Fletcher singled to make it two on and one out for Shohei Ohtani. Ohtani hit a fly ball to left for an unproductive out. Luis Rengifo singled to score Brandon Marsh. 2-1 Rangers.

Martin Perez balked with Taylor Ward batting to send David Fletcher to third and Luis Rengifo to second. Taylor Ward made the third out to keep the score 2-1.

Andrew Wantz came back in for the top of the seventh inning. He gave up a double to Josh H. Smith. Kole Calhoun came in to pinch hit for Nick Solak and struck out. Ezequiel Duran reached on a fielder’s choice. Smith was out at third. Marcus Semien grounded into a force out to end the Rangers half of the seventh inning.

Jo Adell came up and worked a walk to start off the Angels half of the seventh. Jared Walsh struck out looking. Kurt Suzuki grounded out. Phil Gosselin also struck out looking. Here is that third strike if you want to feel a little rage.

Aaron Loup came in to pitch the top of the eighth inning. He got Leody Taveras out on a fly ball that Jo Adell caught this time. Jonah Heim lined out to Taylor Ward. Adolis Garcia struck out to end the Rangers half of the eighth inning.

Matt Moore replaced Martin Perez. Max Stassi pinch hit for Brandon marsh and grounded out. David Fletcher hit a fly ball out to left field. Shohei Ohtani got almost entirely knuckle curves and grounded out to third.

Magneuris Sierra came in as a defensive replacement for Max Stassi playing center field. Nathaniel Lowe popped out to short. Elier Hernandez struck out. Josh H. Smith hit the first pitch he saw for a ground ball single to Jo Adell. Kole Calhoun singled to send Josh H. Smith to second. Elvis Peguero came in to replace Loup. Ezequiel Duran doubled to score Josh H. Smith. Marcus Semien reached on a fielding error by Luis Rengifo to score Kole Calhoun.

Marcus Semien stole second. Then Ezequiel Duran scored and Semien advanced to third on a wild pitch by Peguero.

Leody Taveras singled to score Marcus Semien and advanced to second on yet another wild pitch by Peguero. Jonah Heim hit a ground rule double to score Taveras. finally Adolis Garcia struck out to stop the bleeding.

Luis Rengifo came up with the score 7-1 Texas. He singled on a ground ball to short. Taylor Ward struck out. Jo Adell also struck out. Jared Walsh reached on a fielding error and Rengifo scored. Jared Walsh advanced to second. 7-2 Rangers.

Kurt Suzuki popped out. Game over.

Cover photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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FungoAle
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8 days ago

Rodger Lodge just told everyone to Get Your Red On!

Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

What a Commie.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  FungoAle

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Cowboy26
Legend
8 days ago

So far, Sonny the big gooey Panda has had a dilightful debut

https://twitter.com/trashpandas/status/1553533862973771776

Fumid346
Member
8 days ago

Adell would be be suited for CF. He seems to have that free safety mentality cause he can get to the balls laterally. I saw him play there with the 66 ‘ers. He looked very confident out there. That should also calm him on offense cause you know he’s thinking negatively about playing the corner spots . Angels should give it a shot although Marsh is also an elite CF.

h27kim
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fumid346

That’s the thing that always confused me: I’d heard some interviews where outfielders who changed positions (who were pretty good CF’s) were saying that moving to the corners is very hard. But don’t we always say that CF is the most demanding OF position, except in some oddly shaped parks? Don’t teams often try to stick defensively challenged players in LF?

Last edited 8 days ago by h27kim
Jayman28
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8 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

Come to think of it, I have noticed some teams throw their defensively challenged outfielders in Left.

Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

But his biggest problem is not laterally or coming in . It’s over his head especially at or near the wall . The last time I checked there was a lot of wall and warning track in centerfield .

Eric_in_Portland
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8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I remember seeing the ball differently depending on which position I was in. RF was harder for me for some reason. I’m guessing it’s because the ball curves off the bat and I had a harder time immediately picking up where it was going. Conversely, LF was easiest.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

The reason for putting the better OF’er in right is because the RF’er needs to have the arm to throw to 3rd and the plate. CF has the most field to cover with speed, left field has the shorter throw in and it is to either SS or 3rd and those infielders have the best arms. Back in the 60’s the SF Giants had Cepeda at 1st and Mays in CF but had a problem of where to play Willie McCovey, so he was put in LF. Ted Williams could hit as good as anyone not named Ruth and he couldn’t field, so LF was where he patrolled. That not to say there are not good fielding LFer’s, because they are out there. But generally speaking, it is a hitting position.

HalosFanForLife
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8 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

So having played them all, I think reads are easier in CF. The ball travels purer. In the corners, it can really move (hook and slice). If we went back in years, CF was much harder to play as you played a lot of situations to try and take away hits so you played shallower. Today’s CF seem to want to take away doubles on every pitch so they don’t face a lot of the hard balls that go straight over your head. I still think it’s a harder position to play, but not compared to when they used to play a lot more shallow.

Jayman28
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8 days ago

I have a feeling the next few years the Angels will be acting like the Rockies. What do the Rockies do that hasn’t helped them in eons?
Not trade any of their good players that will hit free agency in a year or less and get some prospects out of it, then let their contracts expire without getting anything in return.

Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  Jayman28

But according to the pundits their farm system is amazing

Jayman28
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8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Ha haha hahaha hahaha

Eric_in_Portland
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9 days ago

I don’t know about you, but if Judge hits 62 I’ll consider it the record.

Silseth tonight. I hope we can get at least 5 hits off Cy Texas (whoever it might be)

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago

I would consider that the record. Hank Aaron owns the career record.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I don’t want him to get that because he will certainly be handed the MVP, regardless what Ohtani does.

Eric_in_Portland
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8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

but honestly, I think Judge *is* the MVP….this year.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago

I think I actually agree, despite how great Shohei has been on the mound. The reason I give the edge to Judge is if you look at the number of BIG hits he has had it is amazing. He literally has 5 or 6 game winning HR’s already.

Hit hit another one last night. I mean every time the Yankees need a big, clutch hit late he seems to come up with it. And no matter how you slice it , if the Angels lose 100 games or close to it then it will be hard to give it to Ohtani no matter how noteworthy his personal accomplishments are.

Last edited 8 days ago by JackFrost
GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

What Shohei Ohtani does is special, very special, and last year won the MVP because of him being special. He will be a 2 way player the likes of which will build his legend for years to come. But certainly, that does not make him a MVP every year. Judge is leading the best team in the American League and possibly in all of MLB while hitting HR’s at a record pace. Hell, I hope he hits 74 of them in all honesty. Now if Shohei was on the Dodgers or Mets I’d say he was MVP bound.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
8 days ago

It’s called MVP not MVP on a good team. To be honest I think an MVP on a good team is less valuable to the team. If Judge goes down the Yankees are still going to win. If Ohtani goes down, the team is done.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
8 days ago

I wouldn’t argue your point, but historically the writers like to see the MVP on a winning team. Last season Shohei was just so different and great the W-L record was not considered. Mike Trout lost 3 MVP’s in his career and 2 might have been because of the Angels record, who knows though. Ernie Banks won 2 MVP’s playing on a loser and Ted Williams lost 2 playing on a loser.

Last edited 8 days ago by GrandpaBaseball
fyasko51
Trusted Member
9 days ago

It might be a while until the Angels go on another 2 game winning streak. Anyways, Phil is coaching himself out of the league, guy has no business being a manager, let alone an interim manager. I was somewhat on the side of give Perry a few more years but not any more. This season is going to be the worst season in 30 plus years. This team will lose 100 games with the way that they are playing.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  fyasko51

It’s a small sample size for Perry.

But, he’s the worst GM since Tony Reagins, who fired the guy who drafted Mike Trout, Eddie Bane.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Sometimes you don’t need a large sample size. One AB against any professional pitcher would prove beyond the shadow of a doubt I can’t hit.

Eric_in_Portland
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8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

once upon a time there was a TV show whose name I don’t recall. In one episode they took an ordinary guy and gave him batting instruction for the sole purpose of giving him one at-bat against Sandy Koufax. The guy would win some amount for a homerun, some lesser amount for a single. He ended up winning some small $ with his foul tip. So, yeah.

Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

And also oversaw 2 of the worst drafts in our history.

GrandpaBaseball
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8 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

He is a very good GM, the W-L record is something he can control by only assuming that his best players show up. Trout and Rendon and Fletcher going down along with a couple of weeks of missing Mr. Clever is not on him. He had a budget to stay on and when all cylinders were cranking it looked good. As the pieces fell off all that was left was a junk heap. He has put together a starting pitching staff as good as we’ve seen in many years. Sure was not his fault that the Bullpen collapsed or that Walsh is not as good as last year.

The only thing that puzzled me was the SS position, not finding a SS was an issue for sure, but so was building a starting staff. Spending 21 million on Thor did not make sense at the time to me as Thor was coming off of TJS and pitched in 5 innings the prior 2 years. Now that was a Gamble that went backwards. But then he may have picked up a SS that might not have been so good. There were a lot of future GM’s here who want Villar last off season and PTP stayed away at the right time then on him.

Perry Minasian is a very good GM, nobody could have done better with the mess the Angels are in. Eppler was cut a lot of slack in his 5 years, do the same for Perry.

2002heaven
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8 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

THE 74 YR OLD PERSON is the worst GM/POBO/owner

FungoAle
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  fyasko51

I’m with you, give Perry another year or 2 but not after this shit show. Has shown no ability to acquire personnel above replacement level. His FA signs bad. Name one acquisition (trade or FA) that has worked out? Please don’t say Thor cuz he cost a 2nd round pick and we are worse than last year. I am not one of his 20-pitcher draft fan boys as this team has serious positional depth issues. All he has done is made the on field product worse.

Time is up, Perry. Time to go back being an assistant GM. Remember, Bill Stoneman was involved in the selection committee so it is not all Arte.

Jayman28
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8 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The fact he didn’t go after a shortstop in the offseason was complete amateur hour.

I know, I’m not fan of overpaying for free agents, but, I was hoping they would have pursued Semien, Story (hurt now) or Correa.

h27kim
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Jayman28

The choice was, I think, between spending money on pitchers or a big name SS (and quality bench depth, like an OF or a half time catcher). I actually think PTP made the right choice IF we ignore the misleading hindsight–pitching, esp after last decade, has to be the first priority. Whether the signings were good, well, there’s what we thought back then and how things have actually turned out….

In principle, same choices are out there this offseason: some big name SS’s, like, Swanson, Bogaerts, Correa again, somewhat sparse pitching (always true nowadays). Roster will be even more full of holes and injury risks. I’m not sure if I’d want to even imagine what will happen.

Jayman28
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8 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

Either that, or they were banking on one of their many shortstop prospects to be ready next season. The bad news, most of them are still 2-3 years away from being Major League ready, therefore, they may have to overpay for a Free Agent in the offseason.

This off-season is going to be a total clownshow, but then again, they will be joining the Rockies FO in the festivities.

h27kim
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Honestly, is any of our shortstop prospects looking anything like a major leaguer now? Most were good athletes who have had trouble adjusting to baseball generally, especially hitting, and I can’t seem to remember anyone really standing out.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

I would say maybe Soto and Blakely, but they still need more time in the minors. The rest of them haven’t shown a lot of promise.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Jayman28

Prospects will break your heart.

Last edited 8 days ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago

Indeed.

Adell is doing it now.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
9 days ago

ADELL, MARSH, SANDOVAL, plus Reid Detmers could also regress out of MLB by 2025.
They all suck big time right now and Perry has shit the bed. YOU KNOW WHO Yeah the same person who hired that 74 yr old guy who manages the ChiSox……GOOD GAWD!!!!!) hasn’t hired a decent baseball ops guy since (PERISH THE THOUGHT!!!) Jerry Dipoto.
Pat Gilick——>Jerry Dipoto up in Bill Gates Country.
 💪  💪  💪  🤘 

GonFishin
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9 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

You didn’t answer my question from yesterday. Are you actually an Angels fan or just a weirdo?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  GonFishin

A weird Angel’s fan probably.
Saw the movie Dude, Where’s My Team?

GonFishin
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Fair enough. Weird angels fans are ok in my book…gotta stick together

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Here you go with another idiotic take. Sandoval does not suck. As regards Adell one could make that statement and back it up with actual examples. But Patrick had what, two bad starts? That was after being pretty dominant for over a month…. Last night he sure as hell pitched well enough to win. It is hard to win as a pitcher when your offense does not score for you…

And as regards Marsh he has played Gold Glove caliber defense all season, so despite his struggles with the bat, it is hard to say he “sucks big time.”

Last edited 9 days ago by JackFrost
rosstrade
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Sandy and Thor (and Ohtani) deserve better records, especially Sandy.

He’s been pitching very well. The change and breaking stuff really made him a quality pitcher over the last 2 years.

The lack of run support, poor defense, and lack of execution makes it almost impossible for an Angel starter to rack up a W unless he is perfect.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

You either make your pitches OR YOU CAN’T… We should trade him on Monday.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I think there is a tremendous amount of pressure on our pitchers to be perfect because they get no support from the offense and shaky fielding. If anything, I think our SP has performed above my expectations especially after the offense fell apart.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Yes, exactly. You hit the nail on the head. Last night was a perfect example. If our offense had scored just 1 run prior to the 6th inning I think Sandy goes into that frame with a different level of confidence. There is a huge difference between pitching with the lead and pitching behind, or even tied.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Patrick Sandoval sucks………period
Now I know why Houston thought he was expendable. Brandon Marsh has had some nightmare games in the outfield this season and for the past 2 months he looks like he’s trying to hit mosquitos rather than a baseball. Also for being a big guy he lacks serious power (a 6ft 4in David Fletcher).
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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  2002heaven

Hell, you could regress by tomorrow morning…..

2002heaven
Trusted Member
8 days ago

See Dylan Bundy 2020——–>2021
We should hire the UCLA Baseball program to develop our kids for us since we proven that we suck. UCLA Baseball won the CWS in 2013

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago

I was surprised how much Seattle paid for a season and a half of Castillo. I could see Soto bringing a haul like that but I think it was an overpay, and the Reds did great. Prospects are always iffy, but this was well done by them. Makes me wonder if we could borrow him for the Ohtani negotiation.

Brent
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I don’t blame Seattle for trying ANYTHING to break that playoff drought streak with them holding the 2nd WC spot right now.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Brent

I don’t blame the. I just think they paid a lot.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

When 3/4’s of those prospects flame out within 2 years of their 2024/2025 MLB debut You wont feel that way.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I understand your point, but sometimes prospects turn into Trout, Acuna, Tatis, etc.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

But most times they turn into Brandon Wood.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If I remember correctly, Brandon Wood’s swing was awful (could get away with it in the minors), he had that frisbee throw swing.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 days ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Which was not the topic of discussion when he set a minor league record for extra base hits in a season

2002heaven
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Dodgers paid a lot for Max Scherzer, Manny Machado, and Yu Darvish in recent years.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I like Castillo less than those three. Dodgers also got Trea Turner in that deal, so I think they actually paid less.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Which makes the deal even that much worse for the Nats.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That’s my point. They made a terrible deal

Cowboy26
Legend
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Which is why I think your falling into tooty twos chasm of Sar . All of those three deals were horrible. Although I may be giving him too much credit

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I was reading an article today about “stars” who were the prospects in those deals. To tell you the truth, it would make me hesitate before trading for prospects. It listed guys like Anthony Rizzo and Gio Gonzalez. Elvis Andrus…that sort of thing.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 days ago

It’s amazing how much highly valued prospect capital ends up tanking post All Star trade . I’ve always wondered if it’s the elite evaluators who screw it up or the shock of a new system and a lesser player development program.

h27kim
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Jo Adell was still a fairly valuable trade asset just last offseason, despite the problems he’s had….

2002heaven
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

May 12………………………………………………………………………………………………………..ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! 😆 

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Wow 2002 you’ve actually made an attempt at sarcasm.(although not a very good one) Maybe someday you may even have a positive human interaction.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

May 12………………………………………………ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! 😜 

Brent
Trusted Member
9 days ago

A year ago today the New York Yankees today announced that they have acquired LHP Andrew Heaney and cash considerations from the Los Angeles Angels in exchange for minor league right-handed pitchers Janson Junk and Elvis Peguero.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Brent

Junk is another one we should throw out every six days to see if we’ve got anything, especially after Thor has been moved.

Halo71
Trusted Member
9 days ago

The Angels now lead the A’s, a team that is literally trying to lose, by just four games

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Halo71

You saying we are not trying to lose?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

Adell can’t hurt the 2022 season. Nevin needs to pencil him in the lineup every day. In-between games, the coaches need to get the fungo bat out and pepper Adell with a couple hundred opportunities in the field. If he shows no improvement, Perry can deal with it. Sending Adell down to AAA will accomplish little except piss him off.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
9 days ago

I actually agree with this. Close your eyes and let him play everyday while we tank.

He either finds something or confirms he’s a Salt Lake Bee AAAA guy and is not in our plans.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago

We definitely should use the rest of this year to figure out what we’ve got with him. The lack of coaching is eye-opening. Are your eyes open Arturo and Minasian?

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Maddon himself worked with Adell on his OF play. And Joe is a very competent coach/trainer.

Again, alot of this stuff comes back to culture and the fact that the org is not detail oriented. When you don’t emphasize basic fundamental stuff like cutting down your swing with two strikes, and especially moving runners from 2nd to 3rd with no outs, how can you expect guys to be focused on the details of playing the OF ???

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

We totally agree. I’m just pointing out the failed culture must start and end with the owner and the GM.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago

Tend to agree. It is time to either sink or swim.

He has had enough time in AAA. In fact, he has supposedly put time in working on his defense. At this point I have to assume it is a mental thing more than anything else.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
9 days ago

This is the first time this season that you made a comment that makes sense.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 days ago
Reply to  rosstrade

Ouch . That was cold.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  rosstrade

Still passive-aggressive because I didn’t fawn over one of your prior posts? I’d like to see things from your point of view but I can’t seem to get my head that far up my ass.

Have a nice weekend.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
9 days ago

I have never been an Adell fan, never. I have wanted the team to trade him all along. But I have been very high on Marsh, shows what I know, he just does not learn or show improvement with the bat. At this point I don’t care what Marsh accomplishes as long as he can prove he can put the bat on the ball. Make outs but hit the ball. He seems completely lost at the plate, simply clueless. If any of the Angels coaching staff reads this, start Marsh off with the basics and move up from there. He stands to far off the plate. Needs to keep his left elbow closer to his body. He needs to practice watching the ball as it is coming in. It goes on and on, but he should be a contact hitter with his speed.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

Going back to Brandon Wood, the Angels baseball operations gurus have lost all credibility.

Arte hires on affordability, not competence. The results reflect the skills.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago

Pretty much. Consistent with what you are saying, the overall issue with development comes down to a penny-pinching philosophy that elevates financial concerns over quality, continuity and consistency.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Old news…..

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  rosstrade

I know that everyone is allowed to act stupid once in a while, but you’re really abusing that privilege.

FungoAle
Super Member
9 days ago

Too much swing and miss in Marsh’s game. Let’s move him if we can to get a better OF.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

You know he turns into Erstadt the second he’s traded to a better organization.

FungoAle
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

He’s has a history of striking out at an alarming rate for a guy with little power. Not too sure about high school but since he signed on. He can’t hit big league pitching.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Agreed. It’s just a question if better coaching could unlock him. He’s already got advanced speed and field tools.

Last edited 9 days ago by MarineLayer
2002heaven
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Eppler’s drafts were on tools……….. 👎  💩  😣 

tommyshalo
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Too GA to look up the actual numbers, but man how scarcely does Sandoval get any run support.
Even if Ws don’t matter that much, give him some help soon.
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MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  tommyshalo

I wonder what kind of haul Sandoval could bring? He’s never mentioned.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Could we please stop talking about Ward, Walsh and Sandoval in trade scenarios ?? These are guys you keep under all circumstances. No reason to even think about trading them…

Last edited 9 days ago by JackFrost
FungoAle
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Walsh is horrible. If you want to run it back, expect more of the same.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Again, wondering if some decent management/coaching could unlock the better version of him that seems to have gone away.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

He is just having an off year — that is it. He has the tools to be very good and will be. Lots of good players have an off year from time to time.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I hope you’re right, but this looks worse than the worst case scenario.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

You are crazy. If you look past just the numbers the guy is fundamentally very sound; he has an excellent swing, his mechanics are good and he has shown the ability to hit good major league pitching. Not to mention, he is a pretty good defensive Firstbaseman. 2022 is nothing more than a blip on the radar. To give up on Walsh now would be way beyond foolish.

Last edited 9 days ago by JackFrost
Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Need an effective back up right handed hitting first baseman . I was hoping McKinnon would have worked out . He had the glove .

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2002heaven
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Yeah, he’s better than Alonso, Freeman, and Olson.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Depends on who you can get. No one should be untouchable if someone is willing to overpay.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Well, yeah, if someone is willing to seriously overpay. Though it is unrealistic to expect that to happen.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

You never know. I think that’s what Seattle did for Castill, three of their top 5 prospects,which is most of what Minasian is apparently asking for Ohtani.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I would he’d be asking twice as much . That return Ohtani would go down as the worst trade return of all time even for only a season and a half

2002heaven
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

What The Hell?
who are these guys to you anyway? Trout, Freeman, and Fried?
If they were all that good then we wouldn’t be 16 games underwater………WOULD WE?

FungoAle
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Probably not too much right now, better off keeping him. Especially without Thor and Ohtani next year.

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MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

A young cost-controlled lefty might get you more than you think. You never know unless you talk. My biggest concern is Minasian would probably get suckered by whoever he is dealing with.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

But it makes ZERO sense. I mean, what would you be hoping to achieve? What would you look for? Pitching, right? Well that is stupid — why are you trading a guy who is young, is very talented and has shown he can pitch at this level for maybe two guys, neither of which have proven it at the Big League level?

That is just stupid. Sorry, but it is.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Agree, I don’t think trading Sandy is a good idea, it would be like trading in a Hyundai with great gas milelage for a Range Rover.

h27kim
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

A lot, I think. He’s a legit, although “under the radar,” asset. On the simulator, he’s at 36.3, a bit below Ward and above Marsh. For comparison, Tony Gonsolin (similar contract status, better stats, but 3-4 years older) is at 28.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

Man that trade simulator sure seems to over value hope

h27kim
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

So it seems. I expected that Gonsolin and Sandoval would be similarly valued, but being 3-4 years younger counts for quite a lot, apparently.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

TOTALLY agree.

That is why I put no value, absolutely ZERO on the ratings that thing gives to trades. I mean, it would have us trading one of the top 5 starters in MLB and an All-Time great talent in Ohtani for what, three or four prospects, maybe one of which is rated really highly and the rest middling.

You’ve got to be kidding me.

No thank you. If you don’t get an offer with established players, one of which is an ace just hang up the phone.Fortunately, it seems like Perry is thinking this way as well…

Fansince1971
Legend
9 days ago

Somewhat unrelated topic – if any of you haven’t seen the Hulu short series Dope Sick, it is highly recommended.

It really brought some clarity to me regarding the Skaggs death So many folks became unwittingly addicted to Oxy which then made them vulnerable to the Fentenyl laced street drugs.

I’m sure Tyler was prescribed Oxy for pain after his several surgeries and became addicted even though Purdue was claiming only 1% became addicted. Such total bullshit. A very important watch.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

We have gone over all of this many times… And yes, fentanyl played a big role in the Skaggs death. It was in his system.

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Fansince1971
Legend
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

My point was that folks should watch Dope Sick.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Why should I watch it if I know the story inside and out ? I mean, maybe it is well done, but it is old news. BTW, that title was stolen from a book of the same name, which is good, but if you’ve read books about this stuff and know all about it a series becomes much less interesting…

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Fansince1971
Legend
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

To be perfectly honest Jack, I don’t really care what you do. I was recommending it to the thread, not to you personally.

Addressing your comment, the series is based on the book. It’s really well done and has great performances. It is a worthwhile watch. Better than watching the Angels

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JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Well, the last sentence you wrote there is probably true.

nishiogawakun
Trusted Member
9 days ago

https://champsorchumps.us/drought/longest-mlb-playoff-drought

I like the Mariners and Phillies chances this season. That leaves us and the Tigers tied for longest post-season drought. They are having a pretty terrible season too, but if I’m not mistaken they are still in rebuild mode and have a top third ranked farm system. In other words, their future looks brighter than ours on paper.

Bottom line, we could hold the top spot for playoff droughts for a while…

FungoAle
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Mariners and Phillies are on the ragged edge. It will be interesting. Fully expect Jedi to keep dealing. Phillies might be a fit for Thor and Iglesisas.

2GA2Join
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Do you all remember what it felt like to be in the hunt for the playoffs? Like when we were the consensus favorite to probably trade for Castillo because we were supposedly going for it?
How long ago those days were….

GonFishin
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Tbh, I think the Reds made out like bandits in that Castillo deal. I’d be pretty upset if we traded 3 of our top 5 prospects for a player with 1…maybe 2 years of control just to have a chance of making the playoffs. When I saw that deal announced, the first thing that came to my mind was the Greinke deal we did all those years ago that involved Segura.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  GonFishin

Segura was never that good. We’re the Angels, we don’t develop good SS’s

GonFishin
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Well that’s just a lie lol

h27kim
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I think there were days when Adell was still a potentially valuable trade chip who’d help bring us someone like Castillo, instead of the lead gloved doofus he seems to be nowadays

rosstrade
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

“Doofus” …… Oh, Bro, that is harsh….!

I’d prefer to call Adell “defensively challenged….”

Mia
Legend
Mia
9 days ago

Trade Adell to someone that can fix him.

Good lord.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

No one would want him

Mia
Legend
Mia
9 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The man deserves a chance to salvage his career somewhere with a track record of fixing/developing guys.

I’m under no delusions that we can get anything worthwhile for him. But he’s unplayable in his current form, he deserves a shot elsewhere.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

I don’t disagree. But it underscores why I am quickly becoming ‘done’ with this team. It’s not the losing as much as the terrible player development and scouting as well as the treatment of minor leaguers. An Org that doesn’t value these things and cuts budgets in these areas will not get my money.

If the team had the same record with a bunch of young homegrown players who played hard and were developing, I’d be totally fine with it and cheering louder than anyone.

In short, I am over this Organization – not the Angels. Hopefully they get things figured out organizationally and I’ll come back.

Last edited 9 days ago by Fansince1971
2002heaven
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

That would be The Bay Area teams.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Fansince1971

Smart teams with “real” baseball operations people would take a buy low chance. For them there’s no risk and all upside.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I guarantee he’d be good on the Rays, Dodgers, Giants etc. that just have better scouting and player development.

The fact we haven’t been able to teach this kid to catch the ball is as much a failure of the Angels player development staff as it is Jo.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Very few on this site and HH wanted to trade Adell when he had actual trade value. The time to trade these guys is when other teams are actually interested.

Mia
Legend
Mia
9 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Nah, everyone was calling him the next Trout. No one wants to trade a guy you think is gonna be good.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Except when you can use the past to learn from it. Gotta trade when leverage is highest*

* see Ohtani

Last edited 9 days ago by Fansince1971
rosstrade
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Only the Good Lord can fix him

FungoAle
Super Member
9 days ago

Just played the Stooges theme song again, I feel better about this team now

GonFishin
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Adell honestly looks worse in the field than he did before they sent him down. If he busts, it’s definitely on the organization.

DowningDude
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  GonFishin

Agree – he looks terrible

I blame him too. When they sent him down he said he didn’t agree with the move that he had nothing left to prove!

at least admit that you need some work on defense and look at the opportunity to improve yourself as a positive thing

GonFishin
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I agree; he definitely shares some blame. His comments about being sent down irked me as well…that said, you would think this would be a pretty fixable problem with the right coaching right? It’s not like a batting or pitching problem. Can’t help but think this wouldn’t be an issue with an organization like the Dodgers or Yankees.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  DowningDude

The entire team plays like crap. Adell and Rengifo made contributions to the crap fest

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago

that looked like a passed ball rather than a wild pitch. That looked like a double rather than an error (Walsh)

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