Angels Postgame Follies

Patrick Sandoval went up against Jose Berrios. How did that go? Shohei Ohtani hit a homer in the first inning to make it one nothing. Toronto scored a couple in the second inning to make it 2-1 Toronto. Luis Rengifo scored on a triple to himself, thanks to a throwing error by second baseman Santiago Espinal. Toronto scored a bunch of runs in the top of the third.

In the third Shohei Ohtani went yard for the second time of the game, having already done so in the bottom of the first. Taylor Ward also scored.

A Max Stassi single scored two more to make it 6-6.

In the fourth inning Taylor Ward homered to make it 8-6 Angels.. Wade was the other runner who scored after having drawn a walk.

In the sixth, Taylor Ward doubled in another run to make it 9-6 Angels.

Not content with having the lead in late innings, the Angels decided to load the bases full of Blue Jays with no outs. This appears to be an Oliver Ortega meltdown up until now. Ryan Tepera came in and walked in a run to make it 9-7. I’m pretty sure Ortega could have done that. Raimel Tapia singled in another run to make it 9-8. Tepera walked Teoscar Hernandez to make it 9-9. Are we having fun yet? The Angels finally got their double play to end the Blue Jays half of the seventh inning.

Welcome back Max Stassi. A homer to center field is better than a buttercup any day. 10-9 Angels. Speaking of homers to center field, Ryan Tepera coughed up a solo shot to Bo Bichette to make it 10-10. Gotta love these nice tight pitcher’s duels. Alejandro Tiberius Kirk followed that up with a ground rule double.

Jose Quijada is pitching now and he intentionally walked pinch hitter Vlad Guerrero Jr. just in time for Lourdes Gurriel Jr. to double in another run. It is now 11-10 Blue Jays.

Heading into the ninth inning the Angels were down by a run. In comes Kyle Barraclough to give up a single to Teoscar Hernandez. He did get George Springer to pop out followed by Santiago Espinal. It took him 12 pitches, but Bo Bichette finally struck out to bring up the Angels in the bottom of the ninth.

Luis Rengifo = out number one on a ground ball to second. Brandon Marsh struck out swinging. It was all up to Max Stassi. He saw a knuckle curve he liked and singled to center. Juan Lagares came in to pinch run for him. It was to no avail. Andrew Velasquez hit a fly ball out to right field to end the game. The Angels lost again.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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The team plays a little better on the road, I’m expecting a good road trip.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

How would you define “good”?

I don’t see any better than 2-4.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago

It’s not Joe’s fault, it’s not Perry’s fault. Perry built a bullpen full of guys with good recent career numbers.

This recent skid rests solely on the players. Strikeouts galore, batting practice being thrown…

Time for a closed door meeting led by Trout. The guys on the field gotta figure it out.

2GA2Join
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

I hope they figure it out. This team is not looking like the one a few weeks ago that seemed like they could come back and win any game. It seems like one key member has a meltdown each game, which sinks that game.

Simba
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Mikey has not exactly been tearing it up during this streak, either. 3 0-fer games and 8 k’s. Shohei was also 0-fer the streak until last night.

Last edited 1 year ago by Simba
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

Mia n 2GA have got it. It’s been years and years of “I need someone to blame…. the manager… the owner… the GM who got us these players….” but we never blame the players when they just plain underperform their norms.

The team is barely losing right now. They need a couple guys (looking at you Trout and Ohtani) to start hitting again and they need a couple relievers (Raisel, Loup) to either get it together or take a rest…. that rest is the only thing I’d hang on Maddon. He may need to just not pitch either of those guys for a few days and use guys like Ortega and Barria in an unconventional manor for a series.

El_Duderino
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1 year ago

The bullpen is terrible. The worst part is that many of them look like they don’t care.

They need to send a message and cut Mayers.

Cut another one every week until they don’t suck.

Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

Angels’ bullpen problem is nothing new. This team has had bullpen problems literally for years. They re-sign Trout and then Rendon (who’s now out on the DL) for well over HALF A BILLION dollars combined ($680 MILLION to be exact) and settle for a third-rate bullpen. Insanity.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Wait. Rendon’s on the IL?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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The only time he’s not been injured is when he signed that $245m contract

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Wait, Rendon has a big contract?

El_Duderino
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1 year ago
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The Angels have the tendency to fill out our pre-season pitching staff with like, exactly the number of pitchers we think we’ll need and no more. So they’re good for a little bit and then once we start suffering attrition everything goes to hell.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

Well, that is demonstrably not true. See Detmers/Barria/Suarez (all with MLB experience) as our 6, 7, 8 pitchers (followed by Diaz and Junk, both who have pitched at MLB level, and 20 odd pitchers in the farm).

Also, are you expecting MLB ready players (who are good) would wait in Salt Lake (on a MiLB deal) just in case?

El_Duderino
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1 year ago

Tell me about Barria, Suarez, Diaz, and Junk please.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to 

So Mr money bags if you had a blank check would would you have signed then? And by the way pick those relievers who would be content being just a setup people. Don’t just start spouting off free agent closers who none of which would be willing to carry Raisels lunch pail. it wasn’t going to happen.

And don’t give us some bullshit how Raisel sucks and is third rate. NFW his performance last year was any thing less than elite.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

I don’t understand the insistence around here that people can tell how much professional athletes care about their performance.

Maybe a bunch of you hate your jobs, and wouldn’t go if you could get away with it. That is not what I see from the Angels players. I see them get worked up if they miss on a pitch, swing through a strike. I see passion. I see regret when things don’t go well. Perhaps even so much that it may even distract from needing to focus completely on the very next encounter (which is also criticized around here, paradoxically).

What you read as ‘not caring’ seems to be more likely to be that intense need to put the last thing behind you and focus on that next swing or pitch.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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You’re discounting the emotional needs of the CtPG gritty CoachDad. They NEED to see and feel the players see and feel how bad sad and mad they should feel otherwise they don’t care about CoachDad’s feelings…. er, I mean winning.

Putting aside failure doesn’t give CoachDad the display of contrition and passion that he/she needs in order to feel like their emotions are acknowledged and important. That makes them feel like THEY are not important. They need the player to really focus on and react to failure for an appropriate amount of time at a very high level. This won’t help said players at all. But CoachDad needs it.

If CoachDad doesn’t get it he starts to find fault where ever she/he can find it in his/er team. Next thing you know CoachDad is fantasizing about the Tampa Bay Rays (Florida Man) and letting other teams like the Doyers and Giants do what ever they want to them in seedy hotel room.

El_Duderino
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1 year ago

You’re projecting a little bit here, methinks.

El_Duderino
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1 year ago

I don’t know how much they care about their performance, but you should be playing like you have a fire under your ass out there and not be a moping BP-thrower.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

So, the standard is how it looks to you? (not, say, to the manager? teammates?)

I trust that anyone that has made it to a MLB roster has a ton of ambition and fire. There may be a few exceptions (super talented players that feel entitled to be there) – but it isn’t the norm (and certainly not relief pitchers – if there is any position with zero job security, it is that one).

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Major league players are not robots. They are humans in a complex environment that they are not all used to and not all built for. You can be the best player on your team for 22 years of your life, and then, surprise! You suck in the majors!

UtahAlumnus
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1 year ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

The beatings will continue until morale improves 😆

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  El_Duderino

Sighhh…. who gives a fk what they “look” like.

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Notice that I specifically chose the words “They look like they don’t care”, and not “they don’t care”.

Terrible body language. You don’t want that shit on the mound. You teach that to 8 year olds in little league. Perception makes a difference because everyone from me, to the opposing team, to your own fielders can see that you know you suck or wish you were somewhere else out there.

It’s possible they all actually do suck, but I’ll give a benefit of the doubt.

You’re welcome to go back and watch like, the last four games’ seventh inning on.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

Agree. The other thing was that they have not been aggressive — they have not been confident in challenging hitters, especially in that Toronto series. With the exception of Ortega on Friday night they pretty much all looked afraid.

And not surprisingly they walked a bunch of dudes, most of whom came around to score.

MikeSalmon
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  El_Duderino

The Angels DFA’d Mayers 4 days ago.

El_Duderino
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1 year ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Plan is coming together perfectly.

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nishiogawakun
Super Member
1 year ago

I was thinking, are there are stories of owners just going nuts in their later years spending like crazy to win? I mean, we know you’re going to be eccentric and a little something else if you’re that rich, and people are notorious for making poor choices when they are (1) old, and (2) prideful. How much do your heirs really need? Wouldn’t there be the occasional, “darn it all, I’m etching my name in a history book” type somewhere?

nishiogawakun
Super Member
1 year ago

Seriously, if we’re under .500 this year nuke the whole team and rebuild. I know Arte would NEVER, but here’s to hoping. The past decade has been tough, and I think we just need to exercise it.

Here’s to hoping we pull a turnaround like the Braves last year, but I just read that’s only happened once before them to win the World Series. Team of Destiny?

Last edited 1 year ago by nishiogawakun
YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

An extra $28 million off the books after this season will help.

Mia
Legend
Mia
1 year ago

Hey! We said that last year! And the year before! And the year………

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

I have no confidence in Rengifo, a whole lot less in Maddon, but this lose now that I’ve been with a neighbor and discussing everything including the Halos. So over 6 beers apiece we’ve decided that solving the World’s problems is much easier to fix than that of the Angels’ issues. So now it remains “If you were Perry what would you do?

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

 🖐  I know, I know. OK GPB what would you do?

I would act like I knew what I was doing followed by doing nothing. When time to trade is now thru the deadline I would say damn the money, I’m going all in, go for broke, all or nothing. Then talk to staff and come up with what is needed. Then I would make deals.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.ufs0AQj657Lmh6e7-8eKJAHaEK?pid=ImgDet&rs=1
Bill Parcells
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Last edited 1 year ago by 2002heaven
Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Here’s another quote from Bill Parcells. It was if he was talking directly to you Tooty Too.

“Losers assemble in small groups & complain, winners assemble as a team & find ways to win”

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago

So totally awful

Mia
Legend
Mia
1 year ago

My optimism is waning.

I’ll just leave it at that.

IvanX
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

You said it better than I could.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago
Reply to  IvanX

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Mia

Four losses in a row is where I start to worry. 3 is gonna happen from time to time, 5 is a slide, more than that and you’ve eaten a week of winning.

red floyd
Legend
1 year ago

What happened to our bullpen?

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  red floyd

Getting back to our trAditions is what’s most important. Never forget where you come from….keeping it real…yo.

Guest
Newbie
1 year ago

Geriatric Joe Maddon in the above picture: “Where am I”????

AllenB
Super Member
1 year ago

We walked 8 guys and we also struck out 11 times. The strikeouts are getting out of hand.

Guest
Newbie
1 year ago
Reply to  AllenB

41 strikeouts in 4 game sweep to Toronto..

nishiogawakun
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to 

Wow, that is something when you sum it up like that. Sheesh.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to 

Consistency

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  AllenB

We scored 10 runs dude! The K’s are not why we lost!

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

This losing streak is all about pitching

aces666high
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Yeah but the K’s are pretty brutal and they have and will cost us more games.

Not today as the offense finally came thru but man, this team really can be ugly a lot of different ways! Offense, defense, pitching, coaching, they’ve got it all!

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago

DON’T WORRY!

We are just in that, “we will lose some games” phase.

rez2405
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I just came back from the festival in hermosa beach, What’s shaking?

Oh..

Hey its May 😎🤷🏽‍♂️

Last edited 1 year ago by rez2405
MikeSalmon
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  rez2405

You mean you got to miss this one?
Man alive, some people have all the luck.

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  rez2405

there was nothing hermosa about this feo loss

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago

No matter how punchable their damn faces are, you just gotta admit those Gurriel dudes are really good ballplayers. Respect.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Very respectable

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2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Rong Guriel.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Did you miss the plural in faces, dudes and ballplayers?

Ps: plural means more than one.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
1 year ago

It was a sarcastic joke…….did you see how wrong was spelled?

WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I did see how wrong Gurriel was spelled.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

I also did see how wong rong was wrongly spelled

MikeSalmon
Super Member
1 year ago

Hey…Baseball? I’ve given you the best years of my life and THIS is what you do to me?

bradllee424
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

Well, if I am Grandpa Baseball I say find another sport. LOL!!!!!!

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  bradllee424

You’d also be a cool dude. 😛

MikeSalmon
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

You guys are both cool. In my book. In the trenches, through the tough times, etc.

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

HUZZAH! 😀

Sportsdominator23
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Offense did more than enough to win this game. Joe Maddon needs better management of the Bullpen. Jaime Barria is your long reliever, you stick with him for as long as you can before replacing him with someone else. I wouldn’t have taken him out until he allowed a run. Moves like these throughout the series have been more magnified since the Bullpen has been horrendous this whole series more so than usual at least.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago

Also, I am not sure Sandoval shouldn’t go back out for another inning – before switching to Barria. Sure, he threw 40 pitches in the 3rd – but after the offense came back up and tied it – his fighter mentality could have pushed him through. He is pitching better than almost anyone in the pen – even when he is off his game a bit (and he is rarely for more than an inning).

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Yeah, Sandoval was getting dinked around, but he wasn’t throwing terrible. An error or two here, and a bad call there, and just some dumb luck as well.

Earlier I went back and looked at his pitch count and he should have gone longer, especially knowing that our bullpen is trash.

I heard that they “wanted to go all in and win this game”, but all he can do is lose it with the bullpen.

Last edited 1 year ago by El_Duderino
WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 year ago

Tar and Feather the jinx who predicted the Angels would lose 11-10 in the game thread!

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Predicting a loss is not a “jinx.”

IvanX
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Want to -1 this

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  IvanX

What is the Number 1 most understood jinx? It is saying that your pitcher has a No Hitter or Perfect Game while it is in progress! So, it is saying or predicting the good outcome that is verboten, not the negative… Ever heard of “reverse psychology” in sports fandom?

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost