LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Vengeful Media

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So when Ken Rosenthal was fired for ‘Allegedly‘ being critical of Manfred, fans and reporters came to his defense. Even guys from the NBA.

This guy…

And the attack on the media continues as Rich Waltz won’t be back for the Angels. What the hell, Arte? Athletic link.

Detmers is again getting love. He is vital for the 2022 team.

The Melbourne Aces sign a female pitcher, a first for Australian Baseball. Pitching is where any female Baseball player would most likely find success. Good luck!

Mad Max still out there criticizing teams for not trying to win. Ow, I mean he is right but still…

Jim Corsi has died of cancer. The former player was 60.

Former Angel Cameron Maybin is retiring. Was better than Upton in recent years.

Mets hired a 3B coach. Yes news is slow.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes.

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Cowboy26
Super Member
10 days ago

I actually like Patrick O Neal. I was able to talk to him during a game a couple years back when he was preparing for his post game show in the Diamond Club. Despite being the offspring of Hollywood elite he seems like a real down to earth passionate sports/Angels fan. His post game show work is entertaining but his staccato abrupt PxP delivery during a couple of Angel broadcasts llast year were almost unbearable for me to listen to. It wasn’t as annoying as Darin Sutton but I’ve felt the Angels can do better

Fansince1971
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I think Pat O’Neal is just inexperienced from a PxP standpoint. He has broadcast a total of around 10 baseball games. Give him time to get more comfortable and develop a style. There are a lot of guys who start out with staccato as they are trying to keep up – including our beloved Victor.

red floyd
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

We were heavily spoiled for the past 20 or so years on TV broadcast with Rory and then Victor.

Fansince1971
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Agreed. I LOVED Rory

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago

Had a brief text exchange with Waltz. He again said he enjoyed his time here and was glad he did our interview.

It’s a business. Decisions get made. He’s still a cool dude.

RexFregosi
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

that was a good interview.

too bad he wont be doing any Angel games. I didnt warm to him immediately but quickly grew to appreciate him as time wore on, and now I’m kinda disapponted.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Thanks. Interviews are easy when the subject is easy going and talkative.

Over the years Vic became a pretty good friend. I kinda felt the same would happen with Waltz.

Mia
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Mia
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

He had a great rapport with Gubie, he should be proud of his time here. Hope he lands somewhere.

BoyWithApple
Member
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Mia

I liked that Waltz knew a lot about Angel history.

FungoAle
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Rich still does college sports so it is not like he is out of a job. I was good with him and after Jeff’s interview, liked him even more.

What irks me is the hired gun approach, get a guy off the national airwaves to pinch hit and call games. The LA Kings hired someone w/o a large history to take over for Bob Miller and the same with the Dodgers pertaining to Vin Scully. I prefer to have continuity from game-to-game, series-to-series. Thank goodness we have Terry White on radio. If Arte wants to keep cost down, make it a simulcast and sign more bullpen help.

red floyd
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Terry Smith, not Terry White.

FungoAle
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

*White – I stand corrected.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
10 days ago

Back in the 1930’s and 40’s and early 50’s Baseball games were broadcast remotely from ticker tape off AP or Mutual and then read over the air with crowd noise controlled by a dial as the local announcer read the game. Then as the fan base grew and became more knowledgeable more and more the team sent the announcers to do PxP duties. Today the past repeats itself with announcers staying home and doing PxP just from watching the TV instead of ticker tape. So, the Angels can be in Cleveland with the Play-by-Play announcer in New York City, Color announcer in the parking lot in Anaheim and using the Guardians TV camera crew for the fans watching both in SoCal and in Cleveland. Screw this Covid Pandemic and return to the good ol’ days of modern broadcasting. Strange new sports world we live in.

LanaBanana
Trusted Member
10 days ago

Except it’s pretty much Covid saying Screw Us.

boyjohn
Member
11 days ago

I’m waiting for them to announce that the next announcer will be that idiot who takes the calls in the afternoons before the game.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  boyjohn

Roger that.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
11 days ago

I believe that Patrick is a good choice as a PxP announcer for the Angels. He and Gubi were great together.

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
11 days ago

Matt Vascursian (sp?) will be doing more games. The more I heard him, the less I liked him. He’s got that really fake game show host kind of voice. But I guess that’s what Arte considers professional. And I cannot stand the way Matt says “repertoire.” And he says it A LOT. Waltz spoke with a pretty every-day conversational kind of cadence, which I personally prefer. It doesn’t seem fake. But maybe Arte considers that unprofessional. Victor was a good blend of the two styles. I think that’s why he made everybody happy. And just for the record, you longtimers already know this about me, but I’ll restate it – I hated Vin Scully.

Mia
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Mia
11 days ago
Reply to  Rallymanatee

you longtimers already know this about me, but I’ll restate it – I hated Vin Scully.

😬😳😱🤯

boyjohn
Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Scully was amazing in his prime, but slowed down too much as he aged. Then again, I hated Victor.

https://youtu.be/29i1oZWhI9I

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  boyjohn

Being that he was in his 80’s slowing down was acceptable so long as he made the game.

boyjohn
Member
11 days ago

Well, even earlier than that. He was best in the 1960s and 70s.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  boyjohn

There was never a time that for me he was not the best as I enjoyed pulling up my chair.

LanaBanana
Trusted Member
11 days ago

If the dodgers weren’t playing the Angels, I would only check in to their games occasionally because I wanted to hear Vinnie

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Vin Scully had my dad purchasing more transistor batteries than cold beer. I fell asleep to Vin and Jerry and would just allow the little radio to keep going. Also took my little transistor radio to games, but then the whole stadium brought theirs too. I grew up with Vinny doing games.

BoyWithApple
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10 days ago

I loved how every 20th fan in the stands back in the day had a radio tuned to the game so you could hear the broadcast wherever you were sitting. Prefer that so much over the canned music and sound effects that are blasted over the stadium’s sound system now.

rspencer
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

We did that too!

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Rallymanatee

Really, “hated” Scully. Considered the GOAT. Hated. Hmm.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago

Just shows that opinions are never universal.

I can’t stand “Hotel California” for example.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Hotel California and Fleetwood Mack…. I dislike them so much I should be kicked out of California.

No, really. Would someone please kick me out of California?

Mia
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Mia
10 days ago

I’ve got snow and wildfires out here, and love Fleetwood Mac, wanna switch until spring?

Jk, kinda.

LanaBanana
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10 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Were you at all affected by the fires, Mia?

Mia
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Mia
10 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Thankfully not, but a few family on my wife’s side of the family had to evacuate. Luckily they still have their home as far as I know.

LanaBanana
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Mia

So glad to hear this!

Mia
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Mia
10 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Thanks!

I was going to reply to your holidays comment in the other thread, but I didn’t know if you’d see it, so I’ll do it here.

My entire immediate family came out and spent Christmas and New Years bunked in our house. Having both families together was great, we had a blast. Happy they are back home now 🤪🥴

So happy to hear you were able to gather with loved ones ❤️

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LanaBanana
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Mia

❤️

Mia
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Mia
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Can you even have a smoke sesh in SoCal without someone playing Hotel California?

Pretty sure it’s illegal.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Mia

Well… Sublime…. another barf bag band from California.

This makes it sound like I hate bands from California, there are plenty of good ones. I think it’s just bands from California you smoke weed to…. 311 sucks too…. yeah, it’s the weed thing.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
10 days ago

Ain’t nothing but a weed thang.

When you’re high it’s more about the vibes and what everyone is able to groove with.

Like when you’re drunk with friends and all loudly sing-a-long to Bohemian Rhapsody and Don’t Stop Believing

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Mia

I know. For me, that’s what old jazz like Ahmad Jamal and Eric Dolphy are for…. because, on the inside, I am 106 years old.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
10 days ago

So I was bored and went to listen to Ahmad Jamal, it’s definitely nice soothing music. Kinda like elevator or mall music, tho…

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago

Weed and jazz are great. Thelonious Monk, Duke Ellington, the Miles Davis Quintet…if you’re super mellow a little Bill Evans Trio.

Most of my weed days were hip hop, house, and a lot of DJ Shadow. That was my era.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Mia

It has to be playing in dive bars and pool halls at all times.

Smoke seshes are free, however.

LanaBanana
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Rallymanatee

Whoa. I hate every single thing about the dodgers – EXCEPT Vin Scully.
Ok, and maybe Kershaw

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Rallymanatee

Are you wondering if you are an old man? Here’s a test…

VIN SCULLY WAS OVERRATED AND SUCKED FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES.

Did you feel a little prick of anger? Did you make a little blustery noise with your mouth? Did you instantly start mentally preparing your response stuffed full of memories of yesteryear that I don’t care about? Were you about to equate doing something for forever with being good at it?

Rest easy. No really, you need to rest. You are an old man… or woman.

Still, the Manatee is also right, MV sounds like a tool and comes across like he knows the Angels have Trout, Ohtani…. ummmm. Fletcher….. Rendon? Yeah, Rendon…. and, ummmmmm…. Aybar? No. The black guy…. oh, and beard boy….. also Joe Maddon, what a card!

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Jim Atkins
Trusted Member
11 days ago

Article in The Athletic about one trade candidate for each team- ours is J.Up. They mention that he has a no-trade clause in his contract. They discuss the salaryissue and the wisdom of getting something for him instead of waiting two months and DFA dumping him like Albert. I wonder if it would make sense for Perry to call his agent and mention that if he wants to play more than once a week, he needs to waive that one. When it’s legal to actually talk, that is.

FungoAle
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

Might have to buy him out like how some of those deadline deals go down where teams are adding veterans (w/no-trades) for the stretch drive.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
11 days ago

The reaction here and at the Athletic is almost universal in wanting Waltz back. I think Arte and Co, as usual, either misread the fans or didn’t consider us.

I liked Rich on the mic and in our interview. He would have been like Vic and done interviews pretty regularly.

Fansince1971
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Waltz did not do it for me personally and most of the Angel favs I know and hang out with were very ‘meh’. Everyone always seems to get their panties in a bunch when something like this happens. But really, what’s the big deal. He wasn’t Vin Scully or even Victor Rojas.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
11 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

He was better than Sutton, but not even Vasgersian is a suitable replacement for Victor.

We were spoiled for a decade, now we just need to learn to live with mediocrity until another talent like Victor comes along.

LanaBanana
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Mia

I’m not at all pleased to hear that Vasgersian will be doing more games, or even any for that matter. It won’t change my fandom, though. Maybe he’ll grow on me?

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

While I believe he is a true professional and do like him, he has no real roots to the Halos and my thinking is let’s have more of Patrick.

LanaBanana
Trusted Member
11 days ago

I agree he is experienced and professional but his love for the A’s, whom I hate, was too obvious. I never felt like he was really rooting for the Angels like we true fans do even when we weren’t playing the A’s. He was like listening to a nationally televised game where the announcer is not a fan of either team.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
10 days ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

I was really excited when he was announced, lessened the blow of losing Victor at the time. But as the year went on I enjoyed him less and less.

We need someone willing to commit full time. The one foot out the door schtick got old.

Also hopefully we can move on from the remote game calling.

Last edited 10 days ago by Mia
LanaBanana
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Mia

I agree. I thought he would be a decent Victor replacement. But that was not the case.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Mia

I’ll say it again. Sam Elliott. California boy. He’s so anti-one foot in and one out that when he comes to a door he throws a pair of boots through it first then steps booth feet into the room so it’s like he has four feet in the door.

Just imagine his voice saying “Mike Trout” or “Shohei Ohtani”. Does he know anything about baseball? Who cares?

Then enjoy a steak.

Sam. Elliott.

red floyd
Super Member
10 days ago

Too bad Morgan Freeman doesn’t do PxP.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Dennis Haysbert doing his Pedro Serrano accent.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Hell yes.

Jim Atkins
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Or Chico Escuela!

red floyd
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

Biesbol been berry berry good to heem.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
10 days ago

I’m sold.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Anybody would have been better than Sutton.

red floyd
Super Member
10 days ago

Even Hawk?

Designerguy
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

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red floyd
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Designerguy

But I’m not wearing pants right now! Does that redeem me at all?

Designerguy
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Time off for good behavior, so you’re only in the cornfield for two weeks.

Fansince1971
Super Member
11 days ago

I know there will be some hatred directed towards this opinion but I like O’Neal and would be happy to have him do PxP with Gubi. They have a good chemistry and I think O’Neal will get better and grow into the position – much like Victor did. The games last season were the first games Patrick ever did PxP and I think he shows promise.

With Waltz – there is little room for improvement. What you see is what you will get. He is an experienced broadcaster who is unlikely to grow into the position.

I did like Waltz as a human being and I wish him the very best.

Last edited 11 days ago by Fansince1971
steelgolf
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I liked O’Neal also. I think he and Gubi had a familiarity between them so the broadcast seemed effortless and natural.

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I liked O’Neal as well.

LanaBanana
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Ditto on O’Neal.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yeah, he was fine.

RexFregosi
Trusted Member
11 days ago

On another note, related to Kenny. His Athletivc column today after his martyrdom?

The Angels coaching – seriously – that was his column.

Looks like we’d like to get Adam Eaton on the staff – can’t though yet because he’s a member of the union. And that’s why we can’t announce anything yet.

Gallegos may not be bench coach next year, and Benji Gil is coming back. Nevin looks to be coming too confirming an earlier report.

Bill Haselman is the new catching instructor – he served last season as bench coach for the Dodgers’ AAA in Oklahoma City, a team he managed from 2016 to 2018.

tanana40
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Benji Gil coming back to witness another championship 20 years later!

ihearhowie3.0
Trusted Member
11 days ago

Waltz seemed pretty good to me. Most other teams I’d say maybe we trust they know what they want and that a better option lands here but after seeing how they’ve handled this process post-Rojas it’s hard to trust anything this management team does. What a mess.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
11 days ago

Is it time for Arthuro to sell the team?

RexFregosi
Trusted Member
11 days ago

No it’s not time to sell, it’s time to keep spending and say F the luxury tax.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

Also, what’s your favorite pie flavor? I like banana. Do you?

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
11 days ago

Rich Waltz will not return. Sad. Really Sad. What numskull decided this move? At this point who that is good will want this position with the Angels.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
11 days ago

“Forgive and forget”, “Turn the other cheek”, OK I just cannot allow myself to do so when it comes to Robert Manfred. I miss coming here completely or arrive late on Sunday games because I worship with friends and family on Sunday’s. I try to be a God loving Chistian as I navigate through life. When Robert Manfred is mentioned, I just can’t seem to achieve forgiveness. I dislike and distrust this man and have no compassion or respect for him as I have witnessed what in my opinion has been his dismantling of a sport that I love.

I remain very insistent that the Owners hire someone from the outside to be point man for the game of MLB that has some integrity like Ken Rosenthal.

The game would be better off without Robert Manfred running things. He is the “Best” that Major League Owners can come up with? Really. Every chance the fans get he is booed. What are the owners thinking? Get rid of this clown. He is not a leader!

steelgolf
Super Member
11 days ago

Manfred is the worst kind of control freak.

2pints
Trusted Member
11 days ago

I think thats a goal of the owners, having their commissioner unliked and taking all the shots from the fans/media/players is by design. Much like Goodell in the NFL.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
11 days ago

Arte voted against Manfred as commissioner. That was a very good call.

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