LA Angels Weekend News Crash: KISS

Had an interesting experience I figured I’d share. Last Saturday I requested credentials simply to watch Detmers pitch and hopefully get to interview Joyce before the game. When I got on the field for batting practice I noticed some photographers wearing KISS Football hats and some other guys I had not seen before.

While sitting in the press club eating dinner and thinking I had 45 minutes to kill, Rhett Bollinger said KISS was throwing out the first pitch and he was heading down there. That’s when it dawned on me that the video boards had KISS graphics up and I’d seen several KISS shirts on the concourses. Sure enough, I checked the promo schedule and it was KISS night complete with a fireworks show with their music.

Now, I’m not a big KISS fan but these guys are legends. So I headed to the field, met them, watched them throw out the first pitch and it was awesome. Once the first pitch is thrown they want everybody off the field quickly and I just kind of walked with the group and just happened to end up with Simmons crew for a while. Gene and Paul were really chill guys. The pay On SI might not be great, but the perks are.

Now enjoy some Jeff is heading to vacation links.

Looking for reasons to keep watching the Angels? Mike Trout, Wade Meckler, and Denzer Guzman are the top three on the position player front.

The over arching story is the rebuild. If George Klassen can pitch anywhere close to the way he did this week, the rebuild is gaining some serious momentum.

I really think the development of Grayson Rodriguez is key to establishing a solid rotation in the short term. His Stuff+ metrics are still well above average, so a quality pitcher should be lurking in there. Need to get that oh so elusive command.

Grayson is a guy who was fed tons of data in the Baltimore system. It is no secret integrating analytics is the real reason Mike Maddux was fired and it foreshadows a huge change in the Angels front office and development programs. Rodriguez is one of three young starters who stand to benefit the most from this new approach.

Speaking of stuff, Ben Joyce’s is unreal.

Now, back to the rebuild.

Hayden Alvarez is getting some love on FanGraphs but not yet being mentioned much by baseball scribes.

Jake Munroe is the best prospect nobody is talking about.

From around baseball:

Kyle Tucker is having a miserable run and Dodgers fans are letting him know it. So he cried in the dugout.

But at least he didn’t allegedly commit huge amounts of financial crimes to bankroll the team. Fortunately, financial crimes are legal now if you are rich enough.

The atmosphere for the Cubs vs. White Sox series was electric. I watched two of the games.

Happy trails to Trey Mancini. The Angels let him go so he could try to latch on with another team but it did not work. So he is retiring to spend more time with his baby girl and wife. Trey’s story is incredible and so is he. I’m going to end this column with my favorite interview of all time.

Enjoy your weekend and link what I missed. I’m spending 4 days with my family before the boy goes back to school.

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Charles Sutton
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1 month ago

I’ll go figure out what’s going on with the game thread.

BannedInLA
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1 month ago

After plating 18 last night, I fear the Gods Of Baseball are going to humble us today.

Texan44
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1 month ago

Copied from Born in 59: “Branch Rickey who would turn up the heat in his office to uncomfortable levels.”

Considering how well GRod did in Houston’s oven, perhaps putting him in hot room prior to each game might help.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago

Eric Longenhagen was giving big love to Jared Grindlinger in his prospects chat this morning (Eric is in Tempe, where he gets looks at Angels prospects on the complex more than many other evaluators).

jimmers90: Not the best hitter.. But who’s swing do you love the most right now in the minors?

Eric A Longenhagen: I’m becoming obsessed with Grindlinger.

drplantwrench: can you describe the obsession over Grindlinger in a bit more detail? What do you see that you like?

Eric A Longenhagen: Like I watched the 2027 high school class he was supposed to be a part of, and then the next day watched him face rehabbing big leaguers and thrive. I’m pretty sure Grindlinger would just be the favorite to go 1st among the HS guys right now had he not reclassified.

Great to hear, as BA did a Grindlinger profile earlier this week where Jason Pennini didn’t get a good look at him. But one game samples don’t always yield good looks.

I also probed Longenhagen on his thoughts on Munroe’s projection. Got basically back what I expected: above-average contact, below-average power. If Eric accepted follow-on questions, I might ask about the David Freese comp, or point out that above-average contact can often presage developing power. But maybe he sees something in the swing mechanics that put a firm ceiling on where Munroe can go. (Like Schanuel, for all his contact, is never going to be a slugger.)

jco
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jco
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I was following that chat. Glad to know it was you who asked about Munroe.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  jco

I put it out there precisely for the power projection response. Kinda obvious, but whether Munroe is a 10-12 HR guy or a 20 HR+ guy will likely determine his usage if he’s limited to the corners (and eventually 1B).

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago

It’s odd that Gray-Rod has stuff+ ratings of slider – 108, 4-seam – 104, sinker – 104, change – 101, and curveball – 99 but his total rating overall is only 101. Doesn’t feel like the math is mathing.

milehigh
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1 month ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Stuff+ is not an average of pitch types. Nor an average of a pitch characteristics like velocity, spin, movement, etc.

Consult your favorite AI to see some about Stuff+. Pretty crazy.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  milehigh

To that end, here’s Gemini’s take on GRod’s overall Stuff+ assessment:

While a raw mathematical weighting of these numbers yields roughly a 103.11 score, the official Stuff+ model docks him down to a 101. This occurs because the algorithm applies an “arsenal penalty” if a pitcher’s primary fastballs do not possess drastically different movement profiles from one another, or if the sequencing fails to maximize the deception of his high-leverage secondary pitches.

Gemini recognizes that his more effective pitch (slider) is underutilized and occasionally suffers from sequencing and command issues, and his change at 24% usage is also impacting the overall grade.

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

But I thought Stuff specifically did not consider command, usage, etc. I thought it was exclusively about spin rate, movement, shape, etc.

To that end, only “if a pitcher’s primary fastballs do not possess drastically different movement profiles from one another” sounds like it would impact the Stuff assessment, and I can see how this would not show up in the assessment of individual pitch types.

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Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Definitely considers pitch usage. Per Dylan White:

“Stuff+ is derived from the pitching metrics that are found to independently lead to better outcomes: velocity, VAA, IVB, release height, horizontal break and difference in velocity from primary fastball. Our full arsenal grades are weighted based on usage. In other words you gain an advantage from throwing your best pitches with greater frequency.”

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I just did the weighted average because I’m a nerd like that and I got a 103.2, which is about what Gemini came up with. So its not just based on use percentage.

When I said usage above I meant sequencing, my bad.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

But you’re right that Location+, Control+ and Pitching+ are metrics more pertinent to command. I think Gemini was sidebarring on why his slider was ineffective, despite a strong stuff+ grade.

FungoAle
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1 month ago

Makes sense given the recent record

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Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Which one of these is not like the others?

RexFregosi
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The one that fired their pitching coach!

MarineLayer
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1 month ago

Is it just me, but doesn’t everything seem better since Maddux got fired. Even Suzuki seems a little better at what he does. Hard to believe such a good pitching coach has that much todo with a seemingly better path..

milehigh
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1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I think they are playing teams they should beat if there is a smidge of pitching. I think Neto started hitting fourth before Maddux was let go? I’d be shocked if Kurt had anything to do with that. Kurt has been the biggest disappointment to me.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  milehigh

I wonder if Kurt is getting help making out the line-up card. There seems to be a change here. Guys are in the right spots now. The answer is likely no.

milehigh
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

FWIW, Soler DFA’d Aug 4. Neto first bats 4th on Aug 6 and Maddux & friends let go on Aug 11 ( or at least reported on MLB Trade rumors on that day).

I think Jeff brought up that Schanuel should not be hitting behind Trout. I agree they should be switched. And Mike needs to be more aggressive.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  milehigh

I would avoid batting Trout 3rd due to his inability to drive the ball and passiveness, if not 1 or 2, what to do?

Charles Sutton
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Meckler at leadoff has been a breath of fresh air.

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I think its just because Kurt “dumb as dirt” Suzuki have big dumb brain. Dumb brain make slow change when brain see change needed. So now make change to make team better.

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

10% is too high. I still legitimately think he’s the worst head coach I’ve ever seen in any sport at any level.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

New catcher has the pitching staff looking like studs

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Maybe Ohtani can tell Tucker

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Maybe Ohtani can STFU

Angelz4ever
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1 month ago

…or he could defer…

red floyd
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

He’ll tell Tucker, but only one word for now, then another word each year after he retires.

HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago

Ohtani said – “2 to 1 he does it again.”

dontbatvlad4th
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1 month ago

The Dodgers doing scumbag things? Go figure.

Born_in_59
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1 month ago
Reply to  dontbatvlad4th

The Dodgers have been doing scumball things for a long time, at least since the days of Branch Rickey who would turn up the heat in his office to uncomrftable levels when players came in to sign the next year’s contract.

Angelz4ever
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1 month ago

I imagine Meckler will be in concussion protocol for three games or so.

MarineLayer
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Have we heard anything official yet. I love how he tried to stay in the game. He is a gamer. Glad they took him out.

Charles Sutton
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1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Right on the ear hole. I’m sure it really rang his gong.

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I wonder if transparency on injuries will get any better with Perry gone. It was all smoke and mirrors when he was in charge.

Angelz4ever
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1 month ago

I wonder how many times Meckler told his roommate to answer the phone last night.

Dogface1956
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1 month ago

I hate the Dodgers, but I don’t wish any player getting booed by the home fans, like he has been. To actually break down and cry in the dugout Tucker must be really close to the breaking point. Reminds me of when the Angels first signed Bostock and he got off to a really rough start, I don’t remember our fans booing him, but interviews he was said that he was feeling the pressure to perform and felt like he was letting himself, the team and fans down.

I really don’t want to see the Dodgers win, but I hope Tucker gets back on track and puts everything on behind him.

grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Love the Bostock ref! You clearly have seniority standing here, sir.

Dogface1956
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1 month ago

Bostock was a hell of a player and from everything I heard about him a even better person. He became my favorite player on the Angels when he offered to give back the 1st month of his salary because he was not playing to his standards.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Wonder if Tucker will try to return some of his salary, mirroring what Lyman did to Gene Autry, who politely refused to take it

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

The MLBPA says nope.

FungoAle
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1 month ago

He could at least donate it, exactly what Bostock did

red floyd
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Gene refused, but I think also the CBA at that time disallowed it. IIRC, Bostock donated his first month to charity.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Dogface1956

I hope they trade Tucker to a team like Detroit and pay half his contract. Then he has a couple years of 1000+ OPS

Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago

Or us. We could use a 1000+ OPS in RF for 25M.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The whining around here when we acquire him is more than I want to hear. Same goes for him likely. Like Tucker needs MORE bitch in his life.

Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago

Point taken.

Jim Atkins
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1 month ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

I remember hearing the news bulletin, late Saturday night during a poker game. Damn that sucked. Bostock had so much potential.

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Definitely can’t hate the player for taking $60M annually. No sane person would make any other decision.

But F the Dodgers to the moon and back, for sure.

grichmanpoorman
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Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago

If I put my P12 glasses on I can see the potential for a window to open in 2028. The pitching should be fully ready to go and we may have as much as 150M to spend if needed and desired. If Raudi, Cozart, and Munroe, and possibly some others are ready to go, we may be ready to rock.

We need to be patient though and not get ahead of ourselves. We need more prospects.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago

I knew you would meet kiss lol

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I asked you that day in the morning links but never got a reply. My mom’s bf is a huge KISS fan so I was trying to get a family trip together for that game, my bro in law was being lame and didn’t want to go.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Oh, no worries. You deserve it

GrandpaBaseball
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1 month ago

Jeff this is one Friday I can say we had fun this morning reading as we are so happy you got to enjoy the behind the scenes with everybody including Kiss. Enjoy your mini vacation and enjoy the family. 🌅 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I love you Doyer fan. Eres la llama traviesa dentro de mi corazon. I have a group of friends who are politically active and go for duh Doyers. On a single Saturday they went to a meeting to organize direct action against oppressive billionaires and their corporations. Then they spent the evening at Chavez Latrine.

They were rooting for a team that forcefully evicted 300 mostly Latino families from their neighborhood in 1959. There was a little skull cracking that went on before this too by the LAPD…. but that’s OK I guess, look, Fernando! Now they are owned by a family trust’s money and Mark Walter. The Guggenheims founded ASARCO and made their fortune extracting gold in the Yukon, copper in Alaska and Chile, tin in Bolivia, and rubber and diamonds in the Belgian Congo…. you know, killing poor people in mines and cutting off the hands of Congolese people who didn’t want to tap rubber tress while collecting rent and selling food and equipment to al of them…. but that’s OK, they built a museum in New York that hosts wine parties. Oh look! Mookie! We love Mookie.

Hell, ASARCOs massive smelting business is one of the hugest polluters in the history of man kind. There is even a theory that the weird prevalence of serial killers in the Southern Puget Sound/Tacoma area in the 80s is from lead exposure from their huge plant. Basically the Doyers owners might have given us Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer with all their pollution while Doyer fans are the most prone to green virtue signaling in the league. But it’s cool…. look everyone! OHTANI!

Then we have the current most involved Gugger, who is a property developer in LA, and Mark Walter, who makes a ton of money selling insurance. Oh, and committing fraud. Basically the two industries built on screwing as many people as hard as they can in order to make money. The Doyers just need to get a pharmaceutical owner on board and they’ll have the asshole hat trick…. but it’s OK, look everybody! SKUBAL! We collect Cy Young winners like socks!

But Frank McCourt was the scum bag.

And none of this even touches on how the Dodgers ensured the Angels would be financially screwed for decades after they were founded. Wanna know why the Angels get made fun of for their “of Anaheim of LA” crap? Look into why they had to move out there in the first place.

The Doyer fan base is a wet turd, wrapped in a riddle, wrapped in a mystery. A machine raging against itself. You could probably beat a child to death with a puppy and Doyer fan will cheer for you as long as you win and have “guy with authentic street accent” do your radio spots. I hate the Dodgers.

Be well.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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1 month ago

Virtue signalers being hypocrites isn’t shocking to me

jefftulsa
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1 month ago

Great post.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  jefftulsa

Ditto

MarineLayer
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1 month ago

Great post. My father taught me that history which is the primary reason I’ve never been a Doyers fan.

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago

LOL best gitcho rant in a minute

I honestly didn’t know about this history. My hatred feels more validated now.

Texan44
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1 month ago

Much is made of coaching up young players. The story of JD Martinez is interesting. After coming up and having some success, he stopped hitting. He then got advice from Jason Castro about some coaches in California.

“The day after the season ended, Martinez was in Santa Clarita for an appointment with hitting experts Robert Van Scoyoc and Craig Wallenbrock.”

$150 Million in salary is the Paul Harvey “Rest of the Story”.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 month ago

Tank tidbits. We are currently behind the A’s by two games and one game behind the Rockies. It is hard not rooting for the Halos, so we root for them while watching them on TV or listening to Terry but losing isn’t that difficult at the end of the game like in the past. If drafting in our best position so we rebuild and stock up means a run for the rose’s then I can stand it. Drafting is not going to be fun in ’28, so we really need a solid ’27 draft. 😀 

Pineapple12
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1 month ago

The odds for the bottom 3 are virtually the same, while the drop-off between 3rd and 4th is significant.

We probably aren’t out-tanking A’s or Rockies. We can’t fall behind the Royals

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FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I think it’s looking pretty good. The A’s are just too wrecked and the Rockies don’t have the Angel pitching. Feels like the 3rd worst record. Witt and Cags are doing well for KC and Wacha and Lugo are a couple of good arms to keep them away.

jco
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jco
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

This makes sense. The bottom three teams have equal chances in the draft lottery, so there’s a reason to not want to be 4th, but otherwise at least for the first round, it doesn’t matter if your first worst or third worst. The second rounds and beyond don’t make a ton of difference whether we draft 1st or 3rd in the round. At that point, teams have different preferences and strategies and draft boards diverge even more.

Mostly I just want to see continued development of the younger players for the rest of the season.

2pints
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1 month ago
Reply to  jco

Now that Perry is gone and the Halos seem to have a more rational draft strategy, I want them to have the top pick in every round so they can for sure get the guys they want.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Oh….. 4D Chess Friday I see

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HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago

If I’m the Dodgers, I agree with Karros and would try something else. Give him a week or so off to work on it. Maybe Tucker needs a different mental skills coach. Perhaps the Dodgers’ guy, Brent Walker, isn’t working for him right now. Maybe he needs to go to Lorenzo Garmendia at Gradum, the guy that fixed Caleb Durbin’s swing and approach mid season. Maybe just releasing the tears will switch on something. The guy is too good and was too consistent over multiple seasons. It’s a good bet that he’ll be back. Not that I don’t love the Dodgers spent all that money on a replacement level player, but I don’t like seeing players suffer and hope for him he can fix it soon. I thought his numbers would be more anemic than they are, but his defense is dragging down his WAR more than the hitting. Definitely not earning his pay, but he’s shown how good he can be if he catches fire.

HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago

Let me add – I thought the money the Dodgers gave him was a ridiculous overpay.

2pints
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1 month ago

its the weight of the contract hanging over him.

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