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20 days ago

Reply to bobblanton

I know. Boo whoo right? Should have just held onto Nerris. Why even try guys out? Why rest pen arms? Hell, why play sports? Let’s go full Schopenhauer…..

Arte. Still alive…. why anything?

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Cowboy26

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Welp our other retread Strickland the Hunter’s right shoulder is falling off so why not bring Fulmer back ? The Dude was Inspector Gadget for our pitching staff last year.

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TrojanBoiler

20 days ago

Reply to bobblanton

I didn’t even realize Fulmer was still around. Why wasn’t he called up sooner? He pitched a lot of good innings for us last year.

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20 days ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

He was in a different system. The Angels signed him June 4. I can’t remember if he had been released or rejected the minor league assignment from the other team. Something like that.

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Phil

20 days ago

Jose “his stuff is great…..but, he’s inconsistent” Soriano.
At what point does a team prioritize inconsistency over great stuff, as in get rid of him – after 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5+ years?

For today’s game:
Kumar Rocker has faced the Angels one time, beating the Angels back in April for his first MLB win, as he allowed 3 runs in 7 innings, striking out 8.
For the season, Rocker is 3-4, 5.80 ERA

Hendricks has face Rangers twice (both times while he was with the Cubs), going 1-1, with 4.66 ERA, 5 Ks.
For the season, Hendricks is 5-6, 4.68 ERA

Com’ on Angels, let’s get the victory tonight, so that we can make it tougher for Angels executives to decide whether to be buyers or sellers by the trading deadline.

Plot twist – SELLERS, the answer is always SELLERS, as long as you keep using players who would’ve been mired in the minors for years if those players were playing other teams.

Example 1: Angels kept Jose Suarez for 6 years, as he accumulated a 20-29 record, 5.47 ERA.
Braves signed him this year. He pitched 3 games, win 1-0 record, 2.45 ERA, and Braves promptly DFA’d him.

Think about that – Suarez had a lower ERA with the Braves (granted, it’s only 3 games), than he ever did with the Angels (3.75 ERA was lowest as an Angels), and they didn’t think he was a fit for their pitching staff.

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20 days ago

Reply to Phil

Get rid of him? Unless they have someone in the wings who’s demonstrably better, why? His ERA is exactly 4 right now, after a pair of bad starts. That’s the second-lowest in the rotation. In 2025, he gives up the fewest HRs per 9 innings of any starter in the league. So, you know, chill out.

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20 days ago

Reply to Phil

Get rid of Soriano? You ate paint chips as a kid?

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Phil

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Yes.
Also, did you read my question?
What if, he does in 2026 – 2027 – 2028 – 2029, as he does now, when is it time to move on?

I never said to get rid of him in 2025.

When you haven’t been to the playoffs since 2014 (and even then, got swept in 3 games by the Royals), changes need to be made. You can’t have 6 years of Suarez, and then decide he’s no longer good – because, by then, that’s 6 years he’s cost you during the times he’s pitched.

So, sure, attack me with the paint chips question.
Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom.

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20 days ago

Reply to Phil

The question is, how did Suarez keep us out of the play offs? And why do you get rid of Soriano at any point unless he’s blocking someone better? Actually, why do you get rid of Suarez unless you have a better option for the bullpen laundry boy?

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20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Please don’t call people names.

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Angelz4ever

20 days ago

WTH was Ward thinking?

Is he Roger Dorn II?

That D@mn ball was catchable, though it still would’ve netted at least one run. Why did he go from LFer to spectator?

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Fansince1971

20 days ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

I think you should go out and turn over some cars and burn stuff to protest. This is important stuff!!

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Phil

20 days ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

According to Angels announcers: Ward didn’t dive because he was too close to the wall, and it would’ve been dangerous to dive.

My take: just trade him.

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20 days ago

Reply to Phil

My take. Manwich is friggin gross… probably the worst sandwich since hands were invented.

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red floyd

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Hermes begs to disagree.

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20 days ago

Reply to red floyd

What is Hermes? Haven’t even heard of it. Is it made of clams?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAsyiIlnMaY

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I think they sell gloves. Maybe those are “hand sandwiches.”

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red floyd

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Character from Futurama, who loves his Manwich.

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20 days ago

I find it hard to believe that, in a world where the Royals just signed Dallas Keuchel to help them compete for a wild card, that no one out there will want to trade as their #14 ranked prospect for Tyler Anderson.

Michael Kopech is out for the year. Again. Man he was a beast of a starting pitcher prospect. He has NOT panned out. Pretty much always hurt, which then leads to sucking. I have yet to figure out how Arte and his puppets managed to screw him up with their teledoc med staff and minor league system full of cement playing fields and jail sandwiches.

It would be really funny if Drury came back and had a .900 OPS. Turns out he was just allergic to Shohei and his mom.

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RexFregosi

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Perry is holding out for their 10th and 12th ranked prospect.
Because our cash cow is worth two magic beans.

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Angelz4ever

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I predict Drury will do at least decent with the Halos.

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Twebur

20 days ago

Passed a big fart last night… messy.
https://x.com/rainmaker1973/status/1942439751942037725?s=42

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steelgolf

20 days ago

Reply to Twebur

And that is the risk you take when you get the pork salad at the Asian buffet after 11pm.

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20 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

Seriously. Did the pitching staff take a group trip to Juaquin’s High Risk Shrimp Shack for lunch before the game?

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Angelz4ever

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

The whale was kicking Hopium.

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Fansince1971

20 days ago

Just tooling around on the Trade Simulator and the problem that the Angels have is that all of their players with decent trade value (essentially Neto, Soriano, Schanuel, Moore, O’Hoppe, Detmers and Adell) are all important parts of the big league team and could not be traded without creating a new gaping hole.

Per the Sim the Angels basically have little of any significant value in the Minors (Dana is at 9.3 and Klassen 9.8 and Lugo 1.4). But if you traded Dana and Klassen that would weaken an already terrible minor league system.

It’s a tough position to be in. But ultimately the team needs a stronger minor league system if it has any chance of improving at the big league level through trades.

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Roy Hobbs

20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

That is exactly what I was thinking before looking. We don’t have enough minor league value to trade for anything significant. Our minor league system is asset poor.

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Turk's Teeth

20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Most of the more fruitful scenarios require including Detmers and/or Ward in exchanges.

There are returns that bring back a couple nice pitching prospects and a position player for Detmers + Ward, but of course it’s probably selling low on Reid (even as his value has been increasing in the sim in recent weeks).

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20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

I suspect buyer-seller deadline trades confound the Trade Simulator a bit. “Buyers” routinely overpay for playoff-stretch pieces (see: Estevez, Carlos) and the Angels have several candidates if they choose to be sellers: Ward, Geefo, Kenley, plus any number of middle relievers.

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20 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

I am curious to see what we can get for some of these guys. It won’t be any mind blowing 40 point prospects. But there are some 50 grade prospects out there that aren’t overvalued yet because they still have issues. It would be cool to get one. The rest will likely be 45 grade guys we have to hope get better.

But getting even that is an “overpay” for a guy like Kenley. But if the market demand gets high enough, yup, we may get that bump and that’d be great.

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Fansince1971

20 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Agreed. There can be a bump if you have something that another team really needs like a closer. Jansen is an interesting one in this regard. You might get a decent mid-range young player or two for him.

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20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

“But does it matter? We can’t develop anyone so why even have minor league players. Nobody likes us. Let’s eat hair”

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JackFrost

20 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Not sure why you think buyers overpay. I think the opposite is usually the case — the “seller” typically fails to get fair value for their outgoing (usually veteran) pieces.

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20 days ago

Reply to JackFrost

Yeah? Did we fail to get “fair value” (Klassen, Aldegheri) for two months of Estevez? Did the White Sox when they fleeced us for No-Go-lito? I guess I made that statement based on real-world outcomes… which I admit aren’t what they used to be.

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Fansince1971

20 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Yes – my overall feeling is that if you are talking about selling a player who has a few months left before free agency (like Rengifo or Jansen) then the risk of not getting “fair value” is minimal. How can a team truly be “fleeced” for a player who is unlikely to be on the team in two-three months? By contrast, if the selling team gets back some young player or players with potential, that potential is worth parting ways with a short time player and the risk of not getting fair value is trivial since the player being traded is unlikely to be with the selling team beyond the season anyway.

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20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

The “not fair value” is generally what happens when you trade a player with years of control left. It’s true. But it’s also true that you weren’t gonna sign him and you don’t have to pay his arb salaries and you got back better lotto tickets in the trade.

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JackFrost

20 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Aldegheri ? Lol. You apparently didn’t watch him pitch last night. Dude has nothing. He’s horrible. As for Klassen, what has he done ? Nothing as well…And his ERA is 6.49 at Rocket City…. Not good.

As for Estevez he was pretty damn effective for us that season. And for the Phillies he converted 6 of 8 saves to the tune of a 2.57 ERA…. He is even better this year in Kansas City. As a matter of fact I wish we still had him…

So tell me again how the buyers “overpaid” … If you say it loud enough and with enough force some people may actually believe you.. Estevez is a top closer and we got some so called potential that does not look very promising.

So yeah, the sellers lost that one dude, and thus the buyers did NOT “overpay.”

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Fansince1971

20 days ago

Reply to JackFrost

So you are being judge and jury on Aldegheri’s entire potential and career based on one outing?

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JackFrost

20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

I mean, not really…. His ERA at Rocket City this year is 4.83 in 14 games started….That is more than a decent sample and is not too impressive.

So yeah, I am saying Aldegheri is not gonna do much…

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Fansince1971

20 days ago

Reply to JackFrost

He is 23….

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JackFrost

20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

So what ? Just because he’s 23 that means he’s gonna be a stud ? We can only go with the available data… And based on the information we have so far the Angels (“sellers”) lost that trade…

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20 days ago

Reply to JackFrost

Sooooo…. better to have had 2 more months of Estevez on a crap team and then watch him pitch in KC and not have those two kids in the system? Cause those are the only actual facts we have to work with.

Maybe you’re a little less butthurt last year cause we win three more games? Is that what we get out of keeping Estevez? I’m not seeing the pay off, even if it’s just potential with the kid pitchers.

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JackFrost

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Why are you so convinced that Estevez would not have or could not have been retained ?

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Eric_in_Portland

20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Both Aldegheri and Klassen have put up 1.500+ whips at AA. They don’t get guys out

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20 days ago

Reply to JackFrost

Derp. They were/are Top 10 org prospects we got for a reliever on an expiring contract. (And, no, blowing 25 percent of one’s saves is not a great return irrespective of ERA.) Yes, we would take that deal again all day long.

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20 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Estevez signed a “let me try closing” deal with us. He wasn’t gonna be on this team this year even if wishes were fishes.

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JackFrost

20 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Well, that was the remainder of that season… Let’s look at THIS season for Estevez :

38 games :

2.05 ERA
1.05 WHIP
24 saves

Yeah, I think he’s pretty damned good…

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20 days ago

Reply to JackFrost

“All you have to do is not trade him…. and then have him want to stay here…. and then pay him…. and then have him pitch the same here as in KC… while our farm doesn’t have two good young arms, but that’s fine… and once all that happens, I’m totally right about this.”

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20 days ago

Reply to JackFrost

Big fan of the 1990 Angels roster huh? Me too.

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TrojanBoiler

20 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

This is exactly what I was going to say. I feel like the Angels have benefitted in almost any trade where they’ve been a seller and they’ve ‘lost’ every trade as a buyer.

At the end of the day, if you aren’t going to make the playoffs and you get anything at all for a player on an expiring contract, you’ve come out ahead. Your organization automatically has more depth at the end of the season than it would have otherwise.

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20 days ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

And on a farm as barren as ours, more so. Hell, even the “Klassen and Italy suck this year!” only leads me to think we’d better go get some more fking prospects then.

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20 days ago

Reply to JackFrost

I just want to trade veterans because I hate old men so much.

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RexFregosi

20 days ago

this is our mid-season grade from ESPN. fair enough, we are overachieving.
Angels: B-
They’re just out of the wild-card picture while hanging around .500, so we give them a decent grade since that exceeds preseason expectations. It feels like a little bit of a mirage given their run differential — their record in one-run games (good) versus their record in blowout games (not good) — and various holes across the lineup and pitching staff.
But they’ve done two things to keep them in the race. One, they hit a lot of home runs. Two, they’re the only team in the majors to use just five starting pitchers. The rotation hasn’t been stellar, but it’s been stable.

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Fansince1971

20 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

And for once healthy.

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Roy Hobbs

20 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

This is all accurate and mentioned in various posts here for a while. I would add a third reason that is also mentioned and that is the bullpen which has been decent and which Perry deserves credit for although it took him a while to get there.

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Born_in_59

20 days ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Like they did with last year’s bullpen?

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20 days ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

We are not allowed to give Perry credit for anything cause 20% of that credit may trickle up to Arte and then he may feel happy for a minute. These thoughts are counter revolutionary and you most likely need a brief trip somewhere to have your thinking adjusted.

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Roy Hobbs

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

😉 Copy that captain.

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20 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Wow. ESPN. Thoughts that aren’t stupid and took 3 seconds to come up with. They are right too. This B- season is a gift from a C- to D team. Unfortunately it’s kind of peak performance from the current guys. That’s great, good to see em do that. But we don’t have the PEAK that’ll raise AVERAGE and allow for contention yet.

Did they manage to not say something stupid about “of Anaheim”? That’d be a big step forward for them.

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RexFregosi

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Plenty room of improvement from here

Mike Trout starts to hit like Mike Trout
Jorge Soler shows up
Defense has tons of room to get better
More offense from 3B/2B Giffy/Moore
Logan gets back on track.

It’s the Golidlocks scenario. And it counts on the good fortune of our pitching and Adell/Neto to continue. It could happen to get a better grade and improve from here

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

20 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

It’s a fair assessment. The healthy pitching staff is yuge. Any injuries and our utter lack of major league level pitching depth would be exposed and the win/loss record would regress to the preseason expectations.

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Turk's Teeth

20 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

I’d say the lineup has also been fairly stable healthwise. More plate appearances than expected from Trout, most of the core players on the field. Injuries to guys like Moncada were predictable and baked into the low contract cost.

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20 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

I’m bummed about Silent C. I really hope he has a better second half. Finds his thing that does the stuff.

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Angelz4ever

20 days ago

Halos/Pirates trade proposal:

Pirates receive: Ward, Neeeefo, Aldegheri, Klassen and Detmers

Halos receive: Skenes & Bryan Reynolds (All his contract obligation)

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Fansince1971

20 days ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

This is seriously hilarious. No offense intended. Did you happen to run this through the trade simulator?

Let’s take a bunch of our mid level guys and obtain arguably the best pitching talent in MLB.

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RexFregosi

20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

well, it worked for the Lakes and Luka, and the Giants and Devers.

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Fansince1971

20 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Not sure the Angels compare to those franchises. And Skenes is not going anywhere.

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milehigh

20 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Sarcasm ?

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Fansince1971

20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

Just ran through Simulator.

As expected, It’s completely lopsided. The Pirates would receive 48.10 in value and the Angels 96.50. Thus it is a 2x better deal for the Angels than the Pirates.

It would be even more lopsided if Reynolds and his salary were not a -38 in value.

Per the Sim, Skenes is one of the highest valued players in all of baseball at 134.5.

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smithy610

20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

I’ve never done the sim before, so this is an honest and dumb question – does the sim account for taking on (bad) contracts, or is it just taking into account player “values” stat-wise? Because there is value in taking on bad contracts (Doyers did these multiple times) to get something more tangible in return.

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20 days ago

Reply to smithy610

It takes the contract into consideration, including not only the money but also things like NTCs. There will be an estimate of how likely or unlikely a player is to be traded at all. Players like Skenes are unlikely to be traded because of what they can do compared to what they cost.

Ironically, players like Rendon are also unlikely to be traded because of what they can do compared to what they cost.

It will allow you to sweeten the pot by adding money from one side to the other.

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20 days ago

Reply to smithy610

Yup. The sim is actually VERY contract heavy. A pre-arb player that is turning in even fairly good seasons is very valuable because he’s cheap. As soon as a guy gets a contract his value tanks. So there are some really good players, who are also on huge contracts, who actually have negative value because of the contract.

Trout was actually an example. Pre contract he was a huge value. As soon as he extended he was way less valuable.

You’re right about taking on a bad contract. THIS is why having Ohtani, and now Trout, entrenched at DH is an issue. We SHOULD take on a bad contract for a guy that can still kind of hit and park him at DH…. but get some youth in the deal too. But we can’t.

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Angelz4ever

20 days ago

Reply to Fansince1971

LOL, I can fantasize……

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20 days ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

I do indeed dig this fantasy…. though Pirates fans would burn down that awesome stadium they have….

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Roy Hobbs

20 days ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

You would need to replace Ward and Rengifo with other prospects as they are not the kind of players that would interest the pirates

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Angelz4ever

20 days ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Yeah, I was just hopeful sketching, but Skenes is going to be traded this season or next. The Blew crew is reportedly burning up Pittsburgh’s phone.

Pittsburgh is a poorly run team in a great baseball city-They’ve made some very bad trades and decisions in the past.

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20 days ago

Reply to Angelz4ever

Nope.

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Angelz4ever

20 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

LMAO

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

20 days ago

Newman > Aldegheri????

Newman?

That beating was just one game, just like the recent wins were isolated moments. The team is no worse than it was at the start of the season, and the wins didn’t mean the team was better than expected. This team still has flaws, but they often play hard and show excitement. It’s fun to puff on hope, watch the team play, and dream of what could be—win or lose.

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