Angels Sign RP Carlos Estevez

Perry has said that RP was the goal at the Winter Meetings and he delivered Monday Afternoon. Carlos Estevez from the Rockies has signed with the Angels.

The biggest news of the day, right?

Carlos, a 29 year old righty reliever from the DR, was stuck in COORS until hitting free agency this year. He has a 108 ERA+ in his career, pitching 321 games over his 6 years.

Throw hard

His 3.51 ERA outside of Coors in his career was most likely the reasoning behind Perry’s desire to have him, especially since last year was a great year for him.

Good stuff

Still, his FIP has only been below 4 once in his career, and it isn’t exactly the most exciting RP FA that was available. Relivers are finicky, as we all know by now.

The deal is for 2 years, so ages 30 and 31 seasons for Carlos.

But what about the money?!
2/14M isn’t bad
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cookmeister
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1 year ago

this is a bit underwhelming imo

his splits home/road really are not too different. About the same era, at home his whip is a little higher and strikeouts a little lower. Being out of coors will help his offspeed control but, idk doesn’t move the needle

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I think you’re only looking at last years splits.

Here are his career splits: In 6 seasons, Estevez’ WHIP at Homes was 1.54 and had a .807 OPS against and an ERA of 5.57 while he’s generated only a 1.26 WHIP and a .726 OPS against and an ERA of 3.51 on the road.

So he was most definitely impacted by the Coors

Last edited 1 year ago by Cowboy26
cookmeister
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

if he signed for half of what he got, sweet. but for nearly 7 mil a year, meh

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I would agree but Rosenthal did a great article yesterday about the ongoing craziness in player Salaries especially starting pitching and relief pitching. He actually is very complementary with the Angels signing of Tyler Anderson while pretty much chiding Anderson for signing for such a low amount compared to the rest of the market. Here’s the link if you have the Athletic:

https://theathletic.com/3973286/2022/12/05/mlb-free-agent-spending-forces/

Rahul Setty
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1 year ago

Angels twitter be like “Perry never sleeps” bro it’s 3:30 pm, relax

DowningDude
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1 year ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

Unless he’s WFH, I’ve driven by in the wee hours of the night dozens of times lately and have seen no office lights on nor vehicles in the lot outside the offices.

He’s taking the Mike Butcher sleep regimen:
Link … https://www.mlb.com/news/the-angels-starting-rotation-has-a-607-era-through-14-games-this-season/c-45089510

Last edited 1 year ago by DowningDude
DowningDude
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

My goodness
9.5 years later and I still remember that quote.

Last edited 1 year ago by DowningDude
Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

WFH? Perry’s only Working For Hot dogs?

You cheap bastard Arte.

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

To be fair, he really got use to the whole work at home thing.

smithy610
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1 year ago

Good signing. I’ve been really liking Perry’s moves this offseason. He has targeted specific needs, but the signings/trades also offer flexibility. It’s not big splashes, but still significant incremental changes that in totality should make the team better in 2023, and if they all stay relatively healthy, should give them a fighting chance for the WC.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Sorry Grandpa. Perry’s comments to Jeff Fletcher today would indicate we’re signing Elvis.

Minasian acknowledged that shortstop is a spot at which he’s still trying to upgrade. He said there are opportunities to upgrade even beyond the three notable remaining free agent shortstops: Xander Bogaerts, Carlos Correa and Dansby Swanson. “I think there’s opportunities all over the free agent board and specifically shortstop,” he said. “I do think there are opportunities that maybe have not been discussed publicly.” He would not elaborate on those opportunities. …

VictoriousVIC
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If the Angels are going to make a “big splash” I think it’s going to be Kodai Senga. They’ve been linked to him and Jon Morosi tweeted today they are among the teams interested in him. If they sign Kodai and go with someone like Elvis at SS I would be very pleased with the offseason. Especially if Perry extends Ohtani during spring training. I know it’s wishful thinking but that would be an ideal offseason along with the moves he’s already made.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  VictoriousVIC

I’ve tried to do the math for the 2024 season CBT numbers. Looking at roster resource. Without anymore 2024 commitments this year, I’m guessing we will be at have a total of about $155 million to $160 million committed before including Arbitration cases, pre arb salaries, minor salaries & player benefits . But that leaves us with 2 openings in the bullpen (Loup & Tepera -big deal right?) but also a left fielder, Utility infielder, Shortstop and one Ace/DH superstar The CBT threshold will be set at $237 Million in 2024. That leaves about $80 million for the new owner to splurge. While 45 to 50 million AAV can be absorbed next year to keep Ohtani under the HALO, That leaves only $33 million fill a lot of holes. (Perry has already spent $41 million this year to fill holes)

Now the New Owner could very well not give a rip about going into the Tax threshold his first full year in 2024 ( A la Arte in 2004) But no way Arte goes over the tax threshold and saddles him as a potential repeater tax offender next year even if Arte really really wants to go out with a bang.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Being optimistic:

1. There’s no guarantee the new owners will be luxury tax averse.
2. We probably have Tepera and Loup’s replacements in house in Joyce and Murphy.
3. Soto and Neto should be ready to fill an infield spot.

Angelstan
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I like the optimism. Let’s hope.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Angelstan

And….O’Hoppe days ahead

steelgolf
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Uggh, I’m not an Elvis Andrus fan.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I as well. Kind of hoping Padres sign a SS and the Halos could pick off Ha-seong Kim.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The Padres were runner ups on Turner and apparently offered him more money so its very doable that they could sign one of the remaining 3 SS prices. That would put them in the second tax threshold of over $253 Million CBT by enough that they want to shed payroll. HOWEVER, I would think the Kim would cost us more than we would be willing to give up.

matthiasstephan
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1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

That was my strategy last year – hoping we would end up with Kiner-Falefa (which would, in retrospect, have been a bad idea). But yes, the top 3 FA aren’t the only ways to upgrade, and we have trade pieces available.

Jimmuscomp
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1 year ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Same. He’s trash. I’d prefer Soto there. By a mile.

JackFrost
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Not sure that comment indicates Elvis will be signed here…

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Unfortunately TrAdition dictates it does.

JackFrost
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Ha ha. I guess you’re right then.

rosstrade
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I like the very creative use of the Big A in TrAdition.

Brilliant.

red floyd
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1 year ago
Reply to  rosstrade

That was the team slogan in 2011(?)

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Phillies are unlikely to bring back Segura.

Put him at second and play match up baseball with the remaining infielders?

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

So where does Gio fit in. A utility guy if Rendon is healthy?

Angelstan
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think the plan is for Gio to be the right-handed first basemen and to fill in at various spots otherwise.

steelgolf
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Rendon …. Healthy????

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago

Bring it!
Charlie Sheen!

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Biggiswrth
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1 year ago

I GOT IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

clover_black
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1 year ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Nice. Got the AAV too.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Nice work kid! (Said smoking a big cigar)

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Getting Biggy with it!

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago

Should I offer to help him pack?

Get him away from Coors and this should be a fine signing.

But after the Loop debacle, we all know these relief signings are a crapshoot and past performance says nothing about future performance.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

Next years top Angels reliever…. Andrew Wantz

rosstrade
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1 year ago

Gitcho…..

I didn’t see that coming.

Your prognostications are usually along the lines of a grand epiphany.

This seems unlikely, but it would be great if it comes true.

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

His career has been up and down. He is do for a down year.

TrAdition!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Is there any way we could not pitch him at all and just declare that we knew he was due for a down year and have that count?

Someone ask the gods…. use our JuJu.

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago

If he Sucks, couldn’t we easily replace him with Ashton Kutcher?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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He won’t help because I hate Arte and his secret evil.

DowningDude
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1 year ago

He won’t help because he’s Charlie Sheen’s brother.

Last edited 1 year ago by DowningDude
Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

But maybe it’s the half with the Tiger blood

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Emilio is Charlie’s brother. Carlos is Charlie.

Q Finkle jokes!

steelgolf
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

But he will help because of the stellar acting he did in the academy award winning film “Men at Work”!

Angelstan
Trusted Member
1 year ago

He’s another big arm. But whether he will help, we will see. They are paying him enough. He’s getting $7 million per year. Tepera $8 million a year. Loup about $9 million a year.

Angels best relievers? Herget and Quijada. You cannot make this stuff up.

Can the Angels trade Tepera now so they can get better depth and talent elsewhere like starting pitcher?

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

So with this signing ( actually $13.5 Million/2 years) the Angels are about $19.5 million below the CBT threshold of $233 million.

Is that enough for Senga and the X man?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Paying for a career year. My whithers are soar with indignant flexing!

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Well, this is a potentially pretty good under the radar pickup by Perry.

Estevez is basically a three pitch guy, with fastball, slider and change. He throws the heat about 70% of the time, which is good since he averages a velo of 97.5 mph. He throws the slider and change each about 15% of the time. Alot of teams seemingly viewed this guy as potential closer material, so it looks like Perry did his homework here. Definitely not a dumpster dive ala Eppler. His career ERA is 4.59 , however it has gone down each of the last two years, with last season being a very acceptable 3.47 with half his games at Coors.

My guess is that whether or not he thrives and can be a consistent 8th or 9th inning performer will be based on the quality and consistency of his off-speed pitches.

Get to work Wise.

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

A soft tosser who can set up Ben Joyce and his 103 MPH fastball next year.

Bring it!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Sighhhh. 98 MPH. That’s nice I guess.

VladimirTrout27
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1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I’m indifferent on this as I was anticipating a trade for Greg Soto / Bednar type. Good upside here, but he has solid heater and can keep ball in ballpark which is needed for BP.

h27kim
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1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I wonder how his pitch selection (or, indeed, any Rox pitcher with decent or better slider) varies home vs away. Coors does terrible things to breaking pitches.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  h27kim

That is very true. I think that is one reason to be hopeful, especially since he has never pitched for a team other than the Rockies. Think about it. This is the course that Tyler Anderson took — he left Colorado and discovered himself.

tanana40
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1 year ago

He has 25 career saves. I wonder if they will try him as a closer?

Cowboy26
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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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This isn’t Kenley Jansen! I am butthurt! Why doesn’t Arte care about winning and buy me cool stuff!?!

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago

this is like getting socks for Christmas.
i like wool socks – i don’t get excited about them, but i need them.

now, where are the bigger packages?

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

You’re soar but will heel, and Arte will sore in with what want, very soon.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

Kenley for multiple years would be the ultimate Arturo move. Overpay for past performance.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago

need more Carlos:
Rodon and Correa too

2GA2Join
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1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

That would be funny to walk away with the Triple Carlos threat.

red floyd
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1 year ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

We would have Carlos Sr., Carlos, and Carlos Jr. But I thought we were a Del Taco team.

Last edited 1 year ago by red floyd
Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago

I like the signing. His fastball is legit and being away from Coors should allow him to consistently use and work on his other offerings.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

His road splits look good?

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Career wise he definitely has been hurt by Coors ( The Field not the Beer) In 6 seasons, Estevez’ WHIP at home was 1.54 and had a .807 OPS against while he’s generated only a 1.26 WHIP and a .726 OPS against on the road.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

And I’d imagine all the games at Coors factor into the low slider usage.

He can use that pitch everyday now.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

No. Loup was hurt by Coors the Beer.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

I thought it was PBR?