LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Not Presidential

The Rangers released Spencer Patton from their triple A affiliate. The big news, though, is that they fired their President of Baseball Operations Jon Daniels. I guess he was not presidential.

When do you know that your rebuild didn’t work? Short answer: When you get fired. The Yankees placed closer Clay Holmes on the injured list with back spasms. They did a whole bunch of other stuff as well.

The Fernando Tatis Jr. bobblehead night was canceled for some reason. If they already made all those things, they should have just painted some ringworm on them and gone through with it.

Rodolfo Castro of the Pirates got a one game suspension and a fine after a cell phone flew out of his pocket while he was running the bases. He plans to appeal. That must be somebody else’s cell phone. I don’t know how that got there. The Pirates designated Austin Brice for assignment.

The Braves gave an eight year extension to center fielder Michael Harris II. The Rockies outrighted Jordan Sheffield to triple A while the Blue Jays outrighted Matt Peacock, also to triple A. The Red Sox designated Yolmer Sanchez for assignment. The Mets designated Nick Plummer for assignment. The Mets also placed Eduardo Escobar on the injured list and designated R.J. Alvarez. Elvis has left the building. (Andrus released.)

Dave Roberts benched Cody Bellinger. The Giants claimed Andrew Vasquez off waivers from the Phillies. The Twins claimed Jake Jewell off waivers from the Guardians. The Rangers designated Garrett Richards for assignment. They sent Kole Calhoun for a rehab assignment. Joey Votto will have season ending surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff.

The Pirates placed Ke’Bryan Hayes on the 10 day IL due to a back strain. The Diamondbacks selected the contract of outfielder Stone Garrett and designated small fry Paul Fry for assignment.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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DowningDude
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1 year ago

We wasted Duggars prime

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I think he Dug his own hole

MarineLayer
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1 year ago

Four managers in five years. I guess we know who is held accountable in the Angels organization.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

What would firing Perry do other than create more turmoil in an already tumultuous and flailing organization? To me, the worst thing you can do with regard to leadership is change-for-the-sake-of-change and/or anger firing. In running a business for 30 years, I made that mistake early on in my career a few times. It was never a good situation and often resulted in a worse situation. I learned my lesson to leave emotion out of such decisions.

I actually felt that Eppler had some pretty darn good qualities and, in retrospect, some of his moves were really stellar. And yet the torches were lit and folks wanted him burned. No one in that position is perfect. And again, our last two GMs given more leeway and budget and better organizations seem to be doing pretty well – much better than in Anaheim.

There are variables in Anaheim that make the GM position less than ideal. We have discussed these over and over again. The bloated spending on a couple of players, the lack of a viable farm system that Perry inherited, an owner who overspends and then wants to be budget conscious etc. etc.

Once you start a 5 year plan, I think you have to give it the chance to play out. Otherwise you are just starting new 5 year plans. And as long as Arte is in charge – its difficult to say that any change would make a difference.

I like the fact that Perry seems to have a point of view. He is certainly attempting to improve the minor league system – and has done so. He really cant be blamed for the unbelievable amount of injuries this season and last – nor the lack of investment in scouting, international scouting, player development, minor league conditions and strength and conditioning. Thats on Arte’s doorstep.

I agree with G’pa below and with Gitch – give the guy some time and lets see what happens. The Trash Pandas are playing well. There is some talent brewing in the Org. I just dont think Perry is not the cause of the problems we are all frustrated with.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I liked Billy as well. He seemed affable and well liked, his pursuit of Ohtani was first class and he actually found some small gems in the MLB trash bins. But He contributed to the destruction of our player development system ( not that anything was that great under Dipoto & Servais). Even though Eppler actually had his best draft in 2020 with only 4 picks ( Detmers has been as advertised, Calabrese is starting to figure it out at the IE, Blakely was raking at the IE and Seminaris is trying to make the jump to AAA) Looking back at 2016 (Thaiss, Marsh & CRod if he ever returns) 2017 ( Canning & Adell) 2018 ( Jordyn Adams, Jeremiah Jackson & the A &W Bros.) and 2019 ( Will Wilson & Kyren Paris) thats pretty pathetic. Now I’m sure some of the guys listed above could blossom or some of the late rounders could turn into late bloomers but it aint looking good.

I just didnt seem like we would ever get to the next level if we couldn’t draft and develop players including international signings. Now that its 2 years since Billy’s left, it feels like can draft and develop players again from our own system. Probably the first time since Del Taco Tony was the GM.

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Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

didn’t Billy have 5 years? That should be long enough. It might not have been his fault, as we’ve discussed often before.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Yep. For four years I was saying “give him time, let his contract play out, see if his plan works.” His last year I was saying this is the year his stuff needs to start working. After five years, we could pretty much see that his plan may sorta work down the line, but it was gonna need a lot of good breaks and nursing…. and more time. He didn’t do well enough to warrant more time, and he’d had long enough to establish his system, and he hadn’t. So when he was fired I was OK with it.

I pretty much feel the same way with Perry. Any GM who comes in and “fixes” everything in one or two years is really just inheriting a bunch of stuff from the last GM that worked… and said last GM probably should have been retained since he knows what he was building better than “new guy”.

If we get three or four years in and most of Perry’s MiLB moves bust and he signs four Cody Allens then it’ll be about time for him to go too.

jcstein
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think the “grass is greener” fallacy is one of the easiest to fall into. When things are awful, it’s easy to think that a drastic change will bring an improvement.

The grass is definitely not always greener.

Regarding Eppler, I think he takes far more flack than I think he should. His MO of drafting the “top player available” was somewhat misplaced given the specific needs of the Halos, but overall I think he did a fine job. The cold hard truth is that we needed a 2016 full rebuild, and instead kept digging the hole deeper, all the while our players were getting older. I don’t think any GM would succeed with the Halos without having near carte Blanche to reset the franchise if they so choose (like Zaidi).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  jcstein

I thought Eppler was OK… but his drafts mystified me. He never took the best player available. He always, even in rounds further along, was taking weird ass players half the time that made no sense or seemed like desperation moves.

I mean sure, Canning, Adell and Wilson (believe it or not) made some sense. But a lot of guys like Thaiss, Adams, A&W, Paris etc were taken with many guys who made more sense to me on the board.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

I’d add Marsh to the ‘made sense’ mix. Eppler’s trade for Simba was also really good in hindsight as were many other moves such as trading for Sandoval and, clearly, winning the Ohtani sweepstakes was a generational type score.

I agree that overall Eppler’s drafting- particularly of pitching – was mediocre at best. This is particularly obvious in Perry’s first draft which was 100% pitching to make up for 5 years of poor pitching drafts.

The last thing the team needs right now is change at the GM position. Let’s give Perry some time to see what he can do under very difficult circumstances. I like the guy – and I think he has significant vision for the future. I’d like to see how that plays out – and unless there is a clearly better option (which there isn’t) – I don’t see why a change should be made.

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Jayman28
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Perry for POBO?

Twebur
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GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Is this PTP’s second season? I thought that last year he kept the Angels roster with cast offs playing above .500 until September. So, he did pretty well. Of course, he had a great deal of help with Ohtani being Super Player. No Perry does not push all the right buttons at the right time, no one can.

He is working hard to improve the minor leagues by the draft and trades, he has brought up more minor league talent than Jedi and Billy, and he inherited a very weak Team on the field, in the Front Office, and with Scouting.

He has had his hands tied with large contracts and with Albert and JUp cut bait early and all the time having to deal with filling a roster with very little money to spread around.

Mistakes, he has had a few, but he is a fast learner I believe. He is a bit of a gambler too, signing Thor was a gamble as he had not pitched but 5 innings in 2 seasons and paying 21 million and a second-round draft pick was pretty heavy price to pay, but it was worth the gamble as Thor was a great influence on the team. (I think he will rock next season but cost a lot less.). Loup was not a mistake in the he was coming off a good year, but with all older players it is a gamble of when they will lose it, and Loup still has a chance to rebound. Iggy was heralded and ballyhooed as a great signing by all, but alas he proved not worthy, but who knew?

It’s not on him that Trout, Rendon, Ward, Fletcher, Stassi would all spend time on the IL. As far as signing better backups, where was the money coming from. Look, if Wade hits .260 he’d still be here, and he knew Squid couldn’t hit. Squid was never intended to be a starter. Great glove and base runner, but no bat. Duffy getting injured was unfortunate, but what did he do to be remembered this year. He was affordable and overrated with the glove. In hindsight, Perry Minasian did very well in roster construction with the money he had to work with, remember that JUp was still on the books and Trout and Rendon are making almost 75 million between the two of them.

Let’s give him another 3 seasons to work and grade him then. Playoffs? Maybe, it is possible, soon we will see the pitching start looking better by 2024, we will possibly bring up a couple of infielders, and cross your fingers for a decent OF coming up too.

I think that a better plan of attack needs to be laid out by Arte making the toughest choices, like upper management changes, raising the amount of payroll for the front office and roster. But appreciate that we have a GM that will get the job done. Don’t look at just the team’s record, look at the growth in starting pitching, that we brought up minor leaguers who did some good things this season.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Amen.

Jayman28
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1 year ago

Promote him to POBO?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jayman28

Then everything will be perfect

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Cheating in Pro-Sports is reward more often than not so, it will continue. If you can sign big contracts by cheating, it is hard to tell the average player to abstain from not making a big name for yourself and the boat load of money that goes with it. But Sexual Abuse, Domestic Abuse can lead to physical harm and hurt women and children worse than the physical harm that PEDS and trash can banging can accomplish to destroying people can. I guess sense Rengifo is still playing and his wife soon to have a baby, that issue has been resolved.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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It would be a major pain in the butt, but I would be SUPER impressed with the Padres if they tried to void Tatis Jr’s contract over all his BS. It would be an MLBPA nightmare, but I’d still be really impressed.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago

my favorite thing about Pujols’ grand slam (#690) today is that he was just getting to second base when all the other runners had scored.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

He is just not going to go away, 700 or bust. He will join the other PED users in the HoF with open arms and be forever celebrated as a Hero. Funny how it goes, Bonds and Clemens and possibly ARod will be on the outside looking in and Poppy, IRod, Piazza, and others will be in and saying “The press will forget, and you will get in, just wait and hold your tongue.”

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Roger and Rob are drinking the same Kool-Aid. Judge Landis set the MLB straight with the public and knew in the short term it would hurt, but trust was the end goal. Today nothing but money counts. (Yep, que up Pink Floyd). It’s kind of sad really, that is why allowing sports betting is going to be a huge scandal not too far down the road. I do hope that the money behind prop 27 fails. Keep MLB clean in a state with 5 MLB teams.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

I have faith in Perry Minasian and think that his will get us to where we need to be. Where we need to be is not going to be in Trout’s prime, nor will Ohtani be here for the celebrations. Arte will still own the team, and all will be forgotten as to Arte being such an Idiot. Josh Daniels was a couple of years early on the big contracts as he had not really put the minor league teams together that strongly. He must have felt pressure from above and crossed his fingers. Similar to the Angels with a lower payroll threshold, the Rangers went up a down in the standings and didn’t really rebuild but for a couple years. Rebuilding as we have witnessed with Atlanta and Houston along with Orioles, Tigers, Royals, Indians, takes a tad longer than 2 years unless you are Jedi. Yes, I am all about rebuilding the team so I will see a winner before the final curtain.

John Henry Weitzel
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Super Member
1 year ago

With the NFL News today, Goodell made Manfred look good. Pathetic.

Angels2020Champs
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1 year ago

Take Jimmy G now Browns!

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago

the tweet forgot:

Kaepernick: lifetime ban, kneeling

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Well, it helps that Watson can actually, you know, play QB well instead of being benched for Blaine Gabert before being “banned”. NFL suspension policy is still a total joke though…. don’t ask me, ask Calvin Ridley.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

If Texas can fire their FO, why does Minasian still have a job?

MarineLayer
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Maybe we can replace him with Rob Pelinka. There’s a guy who knows even less about his job than the Intern.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Not if you listen to Rob

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Who is Rob Pelinka, I’ve not heard this name yet.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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He is the skin suit that LeBlonde James puts on when he decides it’s time to be the Lakers GM.

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Over half of MLB fans probably think their FO should be canned.

MarineLayer
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Objectively, some of them are right and some are wrong. In our case, the longer we wait, the longer it will take for a successful rebuild to start.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

I actually think the answer is MOAR PLATYPUS. Don’t hire him another dreamy old f*** manager based on ten year old glory. Don’t go buy him any more superstars. Let him hire a manager who will work the system. Let him hire coaches who will help players work the system. Let him hire scouts that will find players that will work in the system (and pay for said MLB players if that’s what PTP wants.) Let him build a farm that will feed into the system. Basically, build us the Braves.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Well hes trying now with all of his Ex-Braves and Blue Jays farmhands acquisitions

MarineLayer
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The rejects.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Well, if your mascara runs into your eyes enough from all the seething a weeping then every player your team gets from another team is basically a reject.

But you’re probably right. If a GM is stuck trading away contracts at the deadline, why trade for prospects who you know really well and think you understand how to develop when you can trade for some dudes whose names you can’t even pronounce from Team B.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

A GM in baseball is a lot like a college football coach. For the first few years you are doing the best you can with the previous guy’s team. It takes at least 3-4 years to have a roster populated with guys you’ve brought in.

In this case, Perry seems to have a hell of a team in AA and a pretty nice one out the IE. He was left basically no depth at the MLB level and only Adell and Marsh at the AAA level.

I’m willing to give him two more seasons. I want to see if we can have a homegrown monster bullpen with the guys who are dominating in Huntsville. I want to see if we can stop buying recycled meh as back end starters.

Once we have the majority of our pitching staff as quality and cost controlled we can build a real team.

Do I have my peeves with Perry? Sure. His roster construction has sucked at times and left us critically short of outfielders. His grab a bunch and hope one pans out approach to the infield sucked. But none of them will affect us going forward and hopefully he learns.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yup.

We also have to remember, when a roster of players actually does their job instead of getting hurt or just plain sucking a GM looks brilliant. The best example of this I can think of is the Twins. When their meh pile works, and Buxton actually plays, their team’s good. Correa/Gray alone doesn’t do it. But years where their pile of depth is not great, and Buxton’s hurt, they have been pretty mediocre.

All GMs also have their failings that drive fans to constant complaint. If you listen to Dodgers fans online Friedman’s a liability because their manager is a mindless drone who can’t adjust in the moment and they can’t ever find a closer. Falve has needed to be fired by the Twins several times over the years and the fans complain that all their top prospects like Royce Lewis flame out.

In fact, the only fanbase that I’ve checked in on that doesn’t seem to think they can get a better FO is the Rays.

I just don’t see how we can do better than PTP. Unless we just hire a name to keep Demanda Champ and CoachDad happy (is Branch Rickey still alive?) and then Arte goes all Steve Cohen on the team.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Do the Rays even have enough of a fanbase to complain about the front office?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Not really. And I think the fans they do have understand that what they are getting is much better than what they should have there.

Most of them also seem to have the sense that their team will be in Nashville soon.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Time will tell but he definitely needs to improve in a few of areas. While, like his two recent predecessors, I think he’s able to win trades without unreasonably or mistakenly dumping a hidden asset (Original D cell trade and Alex Cobb trades are examples-although no-one is better than this than the Jedi) PTP is horrible at free agent signings (as were his immediate predecessors). Perry is also not a very good dumpster diver, while this seemed to Billy Eppler’s forte.

Another area that he has failed in is the rehabilitation of established yet declining major league players. None of the acquisitions have seemed to work if they have been based upon a player “returning to form”. But in fairness Billy and the Jedi was not successful in this area either.

However, it is extremely apparent to me that both Dipoto and Eppler were horrible at amateur drafting, international signings (Ohtani excluded) and player development. Just the progress we have seen in the last 2 years proves to me that this one is not primarily on Arte.

It would be absurd to jettison him now and with the O’Hoppe, Davidson & Moniak acquisitions there may even more victories forthcoming. if only PTP could improve in his areas of deficiencies we could have an honest to goodness legitimate GM.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cowboy26
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

I’m blanking. Which FAs did PTP sign/trade for that needed to return to form? I mean, I guess Thor? Although he wasn’t really a massive bomb for us.

Actually, my tired brain can’t even recall any massive FA pick ups under PTP other than resigning Iglesias. Here are his “turrible” numbers.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Well lets see: Carlos Quintana, Steve Cheeshit, Noah Synderguard, Kurt Suzuki x 2 , Archie Bradley, Alex Claudio, Juan Lagares x 2, John Jay, A J Ramos, James Hoyt, Phil Gosselin ( 2022 version) & Matt Duffy.

I might have missed one or two but you get the idea.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

See, that’s the thing, most of those guys weren’t “return to form” signings (other than Cisek). They were what they were and we signed them to be that.

Like Quintana, he was expected to be a back end, 1.35+ WHIP starter…. and then he went out and sucked even more. Claudio was a sub 1.35 WHIP LHRP, not a reclamation project… till he sucked for us. I don’t think PTP was expecting Suzuki to “return to form” but would have been very happy with the four seasons he had before he got here and even OK with the (overused) 2021 he had as an Angel.

Bradley had a 1.28 WHIP for… better than his average. Then broke his arm. Syndergaard had a WHIP below 1.3 and an above average ERA+.

AJ Ramos? John Jay? Gosselin? Those are “return to form” signings?

Not to mention the fact that 2021s injured list was so long PTP was literally searching for warm bodies the last few weeks of the season….

Not to pick on you. But if these moves are the bad moves that are supposed to make me think we need a new GM…. I can make a list of this caliber for pretty much every GM. If this is the worst GMing I’m gonna see from the guy then I’m pretty happy.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Agreed on all fronts. Thor was a solid signing but it also likely prevented him from getting a real infielder.

Fortunately, outside of D Cell none of his moves were long term and he even escaped that while adding Davidson.

It really seems to me like his plan is one to two year band aids until his homegrown staff is in place and he has money to spend around the huge contracts of Trout, Rendon, and maybe Ohtani.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yeah…. he’s gonna try and build the best 22 man roster 90M can buy.

I don’t love it. It’s why I won’t cry if they ship off Ohtani. But it could also work if the big three actually get on the field and play.

toad2065
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Sorry sir, but you are an idiot. Successful rebuilds always start with good young pitching. Look around. Perry has created a reservoir of promising young pitching in short order. The Angels’ future is brighter than it has been for years.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  toad2065

Well and I thought I got a little too strong with the personal insults.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  toad2065

I think the sad sack version is that all those arms are relievers and rejects and they don’t trust the Angels development system so we shouldn’t even have MiLB teams and boo hooo ass ache….

Did I get it right sad sacks?

DowningDude
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1 year ago

No, dead wrong. It’s back aches, not ass aches.

MarineLayer
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1 year ago
Reply to  toad2065

Personal insults are not called for.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Because it’s stupid to fire a GM with less than two years of work done. If you start doing that you’ll just end up with a new GM every two seasons and a human centipede for a team.

Twebur
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1 year ago

On paper, maybe, just maybe, the farm system has some edible fruit. Some luck next year, maybe 500…..500 today puts you in a wild card hunt.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

I still think, with some pitching additions to replace what leaves, the Angels could be over .500 next year.

If Rendon, Trout and Ohtani (or whomever we replace him with) are solid.

If our middle infield depth is Fletcher/Rengifo most of the time and Squid as a defensive replacement. If we add another SS and fletcher becomes a super-utility even better.

If Tepera and Loup get back to their norms.

This team’s really different than the current one.

I also think that, if Rendon plays most of next year and the team is good it will pretty much settle it for me that he’s the leader on the team. Seems like the team play when he’s in the lineup and collapses as soon as he has his injury. He may not have the flared nostrils a coachdad needs, but if the winning percentage is always up when he plays I think it’ll be a pretty strong case.

It’s probably because he looks like Indigo Montoya…. prepare to die.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Agree with what you posted here except for Fletcher. He starts and will again lead the team in hits, Avg., Doubles, and be second to Trout in RS, all the while having elite defense. Rengifo is a liability in the field, but more a backup. A couple of years of proven hitty vs a couple of months of hitting with lousy defense.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago

I take the defensive metrics with a grain of salt but they say Rengifo is pretty meh at second base. He’s a nightmare at third and has been bad at short this year.

Really, I wouldn’t mind him playing second fairly regularly and letting Fletcher move around the diamond IF we can find an MLB caliber shortstop.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Man you love you some Fletcher. If having old white guys love you like a son actually increased a player’s WAR Fletch would be Nolan Arenado.

All told, both Fletch and Rengifo at full strength are about equal…. 3 WAR players. That’s fine. Because Rengifo seems to be best suited to play 2B primarily, while Fletch seems to be able to play more positions fairly well, Fletch would become a utility guy if we got a “real SS”.

Don’t worry. Lil’ Davey will still get a ton of starts, just in a bunch of spots. It’s not 1962 anymore. A player doesn’t have to lay claim to “his position” to be recognized as really valuable. Fletch could really be a punchless Zobrist. He can play 3 IF spots and get buy in the corner OF too. If he’s out true utility guy (and the team’s healthy) we’d pretty much never have to have a weak lineup.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Yes, I am a Fletch fan, as I love to watch him play the game. He has an awareness when playing the game, I noticed after watching him in two back-to-back games when he was brought up back in ’18. Maybe the game has changed in your eyes, but Zobrist is long gone, and I do not see his replacement around any longer. Until Rengifo starts leading this team in Hits and Doubles and Batting Average, and can produce a few seasons of fielding like Fletcher, to me he is not a replacement.

As far as being guilty to being an Old White Guy, does that mean I have allowed my abilities of knowing who a better player can be pass me by?

As far as having the better glove in the field at any position, just ask the pitcher who they would like out there.

Fletcher is also capable of showing up to play in more than 150 games a season, runs the bases better than Rengifo, and is able to know where the play on diamond is to go before getting a ball hit to him.

I do not believe that many players in the Big Leagues are more capable to play 2b the Fletcher is. Yes, I love me some Fletcher as you say.

Rengifo has had a solid 6 to 8 weeks I concede, but I hold my breath that he does not make a mistake, and he will at least every 2 or 3 games, sometimes multiple times a game, whether it be in the field, running the bases, or at bat. I league will figue him out soon and when they do, he will be right back to hitting .200.

Last edited 1 year ago by GrandpaBaseball
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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What I’m saying is that Fletcher isn’t really being replaced. And you really don’t see a proliferation of professional utility guys out there now? Really? Or do you just need this a lot?

DowningDude
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1 year ago

If having old white guys love you like a son actually increased a player’s WAR Fletch would be Nolan Arenado.

 👀  Do we know GPB’s color by writings on a screen?  👻 

Last edited 1 year ago by DowningDude
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DowningDude

Yes.

Marcotor
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1 year ago

I’d sure like those on the fire Perry bandwagon point out some other POBO/GM types who have turned a sad-sack system like the Angels around in less than 2 years. Sure he made some bonehead moves, in hindsight. And a few that had us scratching our heads. And while you pine for big time FA’s remember, that’s not Perry’s call, the Big A has to sign off.

Give him a little time, some of you seen to think the Angels are “one guy” away from WS glory, and they just are not.

2GA2Join
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I don’t blame Perry for Trout, Rendon, Fletch, Ward, Chris Rod, Bradley and others all being out hurt.
I also don’t blame him for major regressions of Tepera, Loup, Walsh, and somewhat Iggy and even Ohtani with the bat.
All these things were major contributors to our tanking this year.

Like others said, Perry isn’t perfect, and he has made some mistakes. I’ve never been high on the Thor move. But even if he got someone else, it is questionable whether he still would have had any money left for a “better” infield. Remember Arte is the one with the budget as we’ve seen for years… I’m not sure I believe the rhetoric “I am free to make the moves I want” thing.

I do like what he has done with the farm, but time will tell.

One observation that I’ve had for years, is that most people have been exclaiming that pitching was the sore weakness of the team for seasons, and that we needed to address that #1, even though I think that was incorrect. We’ve had at least “some” pitchers each year, whether coming up through the farm like C-Rod and Canning, or available in FA. What we haven’t had for years was any catching depth whatsoever. Stassi had a good season a few years back, and that let us feel comfortable, even though we pretty much have backed him up with very thin depth. Now that he is struggling, and we had NO one in the farm, it was finally painfully obvious how thin we were there. So I credit Perry for actually seeing this, and making a move.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2GA2Join

Trouble with Thor. Sign him. Complain about no “real” shortstop. Sign who? Ten million dollar pitcher? 7 million dollar pitcher? Who? Use magic eightball and sign Anderson? And which 10-12M shortstop were we getting in this magic reboot? Magic eightball tells us Andrus will eventually be kinda sorta 0.2 WAR better than Squid for millions more?

GMing. It’s hard. Unless the answer is “Make daddy show us he cares by spending more money!”

Jayman28
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Don’t forget, new athletic trainer, complain that the players are still getting injured, it’s his fault for not babysitting the players, telling them to eat healthy, and avoid weight training during the regular season so they can still look good for da gurlzza.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Playoff baseball at the Elsinore Storm stadium will be pretty nice.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Collectively as an organization, the Angels minor league teams are 3 games above 500 this year with 2 teams headed to the playoffs and the other 2 are playing much better as of late (the lowly dust devils have won 4 straight and are scoring runs in drives now.)

IMO This is a great indicator of a competent minor league system. Talented Prospects should know how to win.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

More savvy prospect evaluators will say we don’t have a lot of MLB position players in AA but I’m all for having the actual prospects playing winning and important baseball. It definitely puts them in more pressure situations than losing.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
1 year ago

Roberto Clemente’s bday RIP

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

It’s also Virginia Dare’s birthday. Also RIP.

Angels2020Champs
Super Member
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Max Lanier RIP?

toad2065
Member
1 year ago

Who did she play for?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  toad2065

I the Maroons.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago

Can Did she pitch?

steelgolf
Super Member
1 year ago

Off day today. Let’s regroup the tanks under the “Tank Commander”, Jesse Chavez!