My offseason priorities:
- Well, yeah, starting pitching and an infielder.
- Depth and flexibility.
- Catcher
- An outfielder.
- Stop hating our bullpen.
Let’s face it. Bauer is probably not signing here. If he does, great, it means Arte probably plans to blow by the Luxury Tax for at least a year. But since the point of this exercise isn’t pure wish fulfillment I am working under the assumption that with Bauer, Stroman and Gaussman off the market there aren’t really any FA starters that get me excited. We also have other holes to fill. So, here’s what I would try….
Non-tender Hansel Robles, Noé Ramirez, Justin Anderson, Keynan Middleton, Felix Péna, Matt Andriese, Franklin Barreto (Saves 9.2 million)
This gives me about 35.5 million to spend. I will have to subtract Schebler’s 900 K from this as I go.
TRADE: Joe Adell, Jaime Barria, Oliver Ortega and Jahmai Jones to the Royals for Jake Junis, Brad Keller, Tyler Zuber and Nick Dini.
This may look like an overpay. To fix that you have to have some sense of what the Pirates have been asking for Joe Musgrove. In this trade we are taking 2 starters from the Royals, who plan to use a lot of innings looking at their top pitching prospects. Still, you have to pay for all that pitching. Thus Adell. Barria replaces one of their starters at a cheap rate. They also need a 2B option, so Jones, plus Ortega who has the potential to be a near future starter or can at least replace Zuber.
Keller stacks up OK with Musgrove and with our defense and Marine layer he may be better. Junis can eat innings and, with some work with Callaway, may actually turn into a pretty effective mid rotation arm. He is just at the point in his career where that kind of thing happens. Keller and Junis are controllable through 2024 and add 2.85 and 1.3 million dollars to the payroll.
Zuber is a guy who can strike out 12 per 9. Maybe more. If we can harness him he will be a very effective pen piece. The Royals have their franchise icon at catcher and their top prospect is likely starting at A advanced or AA this year. Nick Dini is going on his 6th year as MiLB depth at Omaha. He can hit a little, catches OK and no one is writing home about his ability to throw out runners but he’s a AAA catcher that can help us if needed. Zuber will cost 800K for the season.
Incidentally, I would also make a similar trade to this one for Joe Musgrove and Steven Brault and some spare parts from the Pirates.
Sign Freddy Galvis, SS (Two years/9M)
He’s not Simmons, nor Semein, but 2019 aside he’s about 75% of Semein at 30% the probable cost. Plus, if we do go out and get a SS next winter Galvis has played around the IF and even OF in the past so he’d still have some use in year two. This also allows us to use Fletcher at 2B. With Rendon and Fletcher at his sides Galvis will get the job done in the field and with OK line up protection he will probably have a 90s OPS+. He’s also a scrappy veteran on a team that can use more of that. Fletcher, Galvis, Ward and Rengifo give us fairly steady infield depth so I can stop heavy night sweats over seeing the Featherstone era again. He’s getting 2 years because there are NOT actually a ton of SS options out there.
Sign Kurt Suzuki, C (Two years/8M)
He may be old, but he can still catch. He still hits pretty well. He’s still durable. He is a leader. Pitchers like him. Paired with a Max Stassi who is even partially the player he was in 2020 we’d have a solid catching core that isn’t a black hole in the line up. If any current catcher is going to be able to still catch 70 games at age 39 in 2022 it’s Kurt. Paired with Galvis, Rendon and Fletcher we will also have an IF with a strong head on its shoulders.
Sign Trevor May, RHRP (Three years, 21M), Sign Tony Watson, LHRP (Two years, 7M), Sign Alex Colome RHRP (Three years, 21M)
I am sick to death of watching our bullpen blow leads or nibble away at hitters failing to get out number 3. These three guys are great relief pitchers. They generally don’t walk 2 guys per appearance either. That’s going to be great. May, Buttrey, Mayers and Zuber will torch a lot of hitters while Sandoval, Watson, and Colome pitch into outs. That’s a healthy mix and also provides 4 pitchers with leverage innings experience. I think a big added value will be their influence on other arms I like in our pen like Buttrey and Mayers.
I know these guys are all over 30 years old, but I like that. I just can’t watch another 25 year old look confused as he fails to throw strike three or floats a heater over the heart of the plate any more. May and Colome will be 34 when these contracts run out. Watson is 38 but isn’t a fire baller, neither is Colome. All of these guys are proven and durable, we don’t have to wonder if they are all sizzle as may be the case with an FA like Hendricks.
It’s been 20 years since we’ve had one so most of us probably forget how good it feels knowing that having a SP like Kevin Appier is OK if you have a lock down pen behind him. I think that with these guys we have the arms and experience to pull that off. Can’t find a starter to spend 18M a year on? Then get 120 innings of lock down pen innings instead.
Sign Scott Schebler, OF (900K)
We got what we would have had from Robbie Grossman at what will probably be 1/3 the cost. This move was already made, but I wanted it back when he was let go by the Braves. As a former Brave if Scheb’s shoulder is toast it is likely Minasian would know that. Scheb can play all 3 OF positions if needed and provides the same offense as Brian Goodwin and may even be able to match Kole’s better years if he gets hot. Not a bad bottom of the order pick up, his career OPS+ is 2 points lower than my earlier preference, Grossman.
Sign Nick Ramirez (LHRP) (650K)
He’s left handed. He has pretty good career splits. He’s a reliever who is left handed. He’s from Katella High School. He’s left handed. If he keeps his walks under control he’s actually pretty effective. Send him to Salt Lake for depth. Is this the move that wins us the World Series? Probably not, but if we need to move Sandoval to the rotation he provides depth. He also may turn out to be good.
My Team
Lineup
- David Fletcher, 2B
- Mike Trout, CF
- Anthony Rendon, 3B
- Jared Walsh,1B
- Justin Upton, LF
- Shohei Ohtani, DH
- Freddy Galvis SS
- Kurt Suzuki, C (2/8M)
- Scott Schebler, RF
Bench
- Max Stassi, C
- Albert Pujols, 1B/DH
- Taylor Ward, IF/OF
- Luis Rengifo, IF
Rotation
- Dylan Bundy, RHP
- Brad Keller RHP
- Andrew Heaney, LHP
- Griffin Canning, RHP
- Jakob Junis RHP
- Shohei Ohtani RHP
Bullpen
- Mike Mayers, RHP
- Tony Watson LHP
- Ty Buttrey, RHP
- Tyler Zuber RHP
- Patrick Sandoval, LHP
- Trevor May RHP
- Alex Colome RHP
The Reasoning
All told I spent 33.5 million of the 35.5 I think I would have. This roster will have six solid yet unspectacular starting pitchers all of whom have the potential to “pull a Bundy” this next season but none of whom seem likely to just out and out suck. The bullpen will be far more reliable than it has been in the past and could be truly elite without plowing all of our funds into a single “closer”. Obviously I want to rip off the Rays this way, using variety and consistency over big names. But this is a staff I think can pick up slack for each other, hold leads, and keep games close enough for our big bats to help us. All of our pitchers accept Heaney will also have a fair number of years of control left, with Detmers and Naughten able to provide back up later in the year.
The infield of Galvis, Rendon, Walsh, Fletcher and Suzuki/Stassi isn’t on par with the Dodgers or Padres but it will not suffer from any real weak points either in the line up and will hold it’s own defensively. Trout’s gonna Trout. If Ohtani and Upton remember who they are our line up will be fairly hard to deal with. Ward, Rengifo and Pujols are actually a far cry from the Pennington era benches we have had in the past.
Honestly, I am trying to be the A’s here. A no name bullpen that’s good. A couple star players. A rotation that is vanilla but does no harm and doesn’t let teams get away. A line up that can always bite you for some runs and a roster with positional versatility. Ward, Fletcher, Rengifo, Walsh, Schebler and Galvis can all move around the field a little if need be. Maddon is our manager after all.
Am I confident this team can win it all? Nope. But it will be far more solid than past teams. We have some long term help both in the rotation and the pen, and we didn’t add any huge payroll anchors that will prevent big spending when Pujols and Upton get off the books. Another thing we added is something we sometimes mock, and I personally hate using as a reason for losing instead of a result of losing: Veteran grit and chemistry. Those pen arms plus Galvis and Suzuki added to Trout, Rendon and Fletcher (and yes, Albert) will add some cool heads to mix with our younger pitchers and Walsh/Marsh/Ward. Plus, this team really could give the rest of the AL a solid fight if most of these players are their better selves next year and Junis/Ohtani/Canning/Heaney take a big step forward. We also kept most of our prospects. That’s about all I can hope to get for 35.5M in this FA market.
The “who can Calloway fix” theme could be one worth exploring in separate trade or FA scenarios. KC is considering moving those SP, or a reasonable speculation based on your research?
No. KC hasn’t made any noise about moving on from pitchers. What they have said is that they are rebuilding and want to get about four of their up and coming pitchers some major innings this year. It also pretty much goes unsaid that the Royals will probably not be willing to pay both those guys through Arbitration. They may want to keep them, but their increasing arb numbers will balloon to a good degree before the Royals rebuild is done so they are probably willing to listen to trades if not out and out shop Keller. Junis they would probably release next year if he doesn’t pick up his pace.
KC signing Minor, multiyear. Interesting. He wouldn’t have been a terrible sign for the Halos.
The team can’t get great in just one year. I like that you are looking at the incremental avoidance of giving away too many winnable games. That’s been killing us in recent years.
Goo Gah I hate those winnable loses. Sure, any team can get beat when a pitcher is throwing like a wizard, or when your starter is just having a bad day, but those losses where we lose 5-4 in the 8th inning etc. really suck. If we can even cut out 10 losses from blowpen syndrome the season will feel way less crappy.
A whole lotta hope and praying again. Pluss Upton & Pujols aren’t getting any younger or better. That bullpen still sucks and we just need new and better people there, especially Ty Buttrey and Mike Mayers, ( not a believer in either one ) We need a 100 loss season to get some top tier draft picks ( Shhhhhh, the Boston Red Sox are willing to have a horrible year, why not Arte? ). I’m pretty sure if the Dodger’s had lost 100 games back in 2003 they would’ve just bit the bullet.
Shhhhh…….they lost 99 games in 1992.
I shouldn’t bit, probably, but Pujols is gone in a year, and Upton in two. What do you expect to happen before that, on that front?
And there are FOUR new relievers in this proposal – and you quibble about the best of the remaining bullpen? Even if you aren’t a ‘believer’ in either one, their place in the lineup is ok, no? Do you want to cut everyone? Who would play?
bad teems dohnt need a taup shelf clohser. 2010 NY Mets were also in our sorry situation too, lots of old overpaid unproductive injury riddled veterans. Why are the Milwaukee Brewers already shopping Josh Hader ( BTW they were 29-31 and made the post season. ). The hypocrisy that I’m seeing is that Dave Dombrowski and that guy who works for the Seattle Mariners now gave away the store to win in the short term in 2014 and in Boston in 2018. We can do the same as the Oakland A’s did from 2015-2017 ( lose and retool ). Anthony Rendon and Mike Trout will carry us through these trying times. Besides I thought Perry Minasian was a improvement over all other GM’s not named Bill Stoneman. We can’t have a fire sale, because we don’t have that much assets to trade away and, who wants Pujols and Upton?
Sorry, who is a top shelf closer, in your world? Does Colome not count? If not, how many are in the league (3? 4?) and on the market (just Hand, Hendriks?).
We were a bad team even after signing Anthony Rendon last off season, and playing in a weak AL West.
( Oakland A’s only team with a winning record and a wounded Houston Astros team ). The problem is some CTPG people wanna live in a make believe universe that with a few tweaks and we’re a good team again……..we’re not! So if Perry Minasian does exactly what Dip*to did in 2014 then we weaken our farm system yet again. We need to produce and develop outstanding people, not just a bunch of guys like Taylor Ward and Matt Thaiss that can be signed in FA anyway. 🤘
OK, so all abstract bitching aside, what does what you just asked for look like? What do the current Angels do that looks like “We need to produce and develop outstanding people, not just a bunch of guys like Taylor Ward and Matt Thaiss that can be signed in FA anyway.” in 2021? Not “We should have….” but “We should….”. And I’m especially confused as to how we do that without tweeking things until we win. I mean, other than the Doyers (who I still think you should just go root for) most teams tweek a bunch of stuff around a couple really good pitchers and position players…. the Indians, the Cardinals, the Rays, the Reds, The Marlins, the A’s, the Braves…. lot’s of tweeking and hoping and gambling.
Shhhhut the f*** up. Plenty of teams with good FOs draft well without losing 100. The Rays, your Doyers, the Cardinals, the Indians and more. Additionally pretty much every team other than the Yankees and Doyers are hoping and praying to some extent. I can’t wait to see your ideas for the off season. Do they include going over the payroll limit for relief beasts plus Bauer? Do they include a time machine so we can go back and draft Alonso and Beiber and Dakota Hudson (oh wait, you stopped bringing him up). Since we are what we are here in Angels land I imagine the FO will try to upgrade the team into contention this year while building their FO/scouting and grow from there. They don’t need to tear it down, which is what they’d need to do to lose 100. We will need some hope and prayer, as will the White Sox, A’s, Blue Jays, Phillies, Nationals, D-backs, Twins and the rest of the “competitive” teams we are trying to upgrade into but I don’t think the Angels are that far away from that.
Very creative and well researched. l like that it upgrades the pitching and we lose Adell and hold on to Marsh. Good job.
Everyone of you that do one of these ‘What I would do” write ups I appalled your efforts and the fact they are all so different.
I’m appalled as well and I applaud your willingness to stand up to them. I keed.
This I like. Provides the most depth of any idea, I think. The KC trade idea is a bit pricey, but I can see the logic and approve.
Yeah. Honestly, the trade rating site was kind of giving away Keller (or Musgrove too) and Adell was worth a ton. But given what the Pirates and Dodgers were asking for guys like Musgrove and Stripling I gave a bit more, add to that we asked for another MLB starter…. so I over payed according to the site, but I think we all know we weren’t getting 3 pitchers and a catcher for Adell alone, which I think the site was OK with.
Number five, then you release the bullpen. “Luv yuh, bye bee.”
Otherwise nice write up. SS nice. Suzuki? Better than the last of the Molinas.
Someone said I should use that extra cash I have to keep Key or Felix Pena, which I’d be down with.
Another interesting one! Well thought out.
I think it’s telling how willing everyone is with regard to trading Adell. He was UNTOUCHABLE in last year’s version. Amazing what happens when you look lost over 30 something games. And assist not one but two balls over the fence for homeruns.
I’m certain that means his trade value is reduced from where it used to be.
To be honest I’d probably trade Marsh for two starters who command less than 5M as well. Keller is actually a pretty good pitcher. Junis has one of the best sliders in the game, trouble is the rest of his pitches are meh. But if Calloway could just teach his fastball to sink or cut, or his change up to be harder to pick up, he could be a really effective pitcher. He just REALLY needs to keep hitters from digging in and he needs good control otherwise his non-slider pitches wind up in the seats. But I figure if we went and got Calloway, let’s get him a pitcher he can mold a little. If we got 3 years with two solid starters, maybe even a good starter in Keller, for Marsh I’d be OK with it.
With health, an extension, and a little development a staff of Ohtani, Keller, Bundy, Canning and Junis could actually become pretty darn good. Not 2019 Nationals good, but good. Trading a top prospect for that would be a big bet on Callaway, but given whet he made of guys like Kluber, Clevinger and Corrasco, etc none of whom have eye popping stuff I’d like to try it.
I agree completely. As we have seen, sometimes it’s best to sell the rumor. And pitching is such a huge need that I would trade both Marsh and Adell to improve the pitching staff.
I think reality has set in. One of Adell, Marsh, or Fletcher need to go.
Adell made a bad first impression but also has the highest perceived trade value so he’s the one debt out.
Like solid/not spectacular rotation and deep bullpen. I’d keep Pena in that group.
If Callaway can unlock anything, the rotation could be a plus.
Galvis is truly uninspiring but he’s cheap and brings a glove.
I agree with the general reasoning. This is (and won’t be) the 2020 Dodgers lineup, but it is a composition which is capable of keeping the team in the game. Carew once said (and I doubt he is the first to say it), “You will win 1/3 of your games and lose 1/3 of your games in a season. What you do with the remaining 1/3 determines the season.” What you are proposing is a team with a good chance of winning in that final 1/3.
There is a lot to like here. I would be sad to lose Adell and Barria, but you aren’t making big moves without moving someone. Nice that you didn’t trade Marsh too – so that OF lineup has possibilities the next two years (and promise moving forward).
I like getting a SS. I am not sold on Galvis (especially for 2 years) but it makes sense with what you are doing. I might also quibble (but it is quibbling) with the relief pitchers. With the MLB trade rumors predictions, you could have Hand instead of May, which I might have preferred. That said, they have been low on all of their predictions so far, so your ‘overpay’ in years (compared to them) might actually net us these relievers – and we desperately need relievers.
I wonder what one could do with the 2M you left on the table. Could we not non-tender Pena (he has been so useful in both emergency starting and RP roles, he might be nice to have around), or Key? Could we take a flyer on another SP reclamation project (for upside) or hope someone falls in a tough market (Minor, Lester) and we can afford to add them?
Otherwise, I quite like it. It isn’t flashy, but it doesn’t rely on that either. Sure and steady gets us closer (and I don’t believe we are far off of contention as is – and we can continue to improve as Pujols money comes off the books, then Upton, and as more prospects move forward (replacing Pujols with Walsh means a lot more for pitching, same with switching out Upton for Marsh). The future is bright!
Yeah, at SS I’d prefer the young Korean, but can we really get him for 6.5M next year? Probably not. After that you have to either commit long term to one of the better FAs who don’t excite me, or you are stuck with a guy like Galvis. He’s the best fast food burger of the SS market.
I actually wanted to sign May and Colome longer term just because I wanted to ensure we have some solid veteran arms in that pen as the team hopefully improves its rotation. It would be their ages 31-34 seasons so I am not too worries about them being super old. But I just am sick of listing both starters and bullpen as a huge need every winter and figured this down FA market for starters is the perfect time to just get it solved.
Oh Boy……OMG
You’re not Warfarin are you?