IIWPM: Turk’s Teeth Edition

Let me be honest: I can’t imagine ever being Perry Minasian. I’m too contrarian and skeptical of ownership to bend the knee in Moreno’s regime, and too focused on scouting, drafting, farm and player development to measurably succeed under his watch. Against the tide, I would also be asking for a payroll boost this year (call it a managerial “advance” on 50% of Rendon’s salary that will be off the books in 2027), because I don’t think the team can advance without some investment.

I do want to participate in this annual CtPG game, but I also want to give some sense of what I’d actually try to do, absent the arbitrary rules of this sim. As recently as 2023, the Angels payroll was as high as $227M, $17M north of Jeff’s current sim payroll limit, and the only Arturo’s Law that any of us really believes is inviolable is the luxury tax threshold, which is $244M in 2026. 

Arte Moreno with a water bottle
Arte Moreno (uncomfortably) contemplating giving Mr. Teeth a raise.

So I’m using a little editorial discretion here, and offering multiple scenarios (A-D) – three largely conforming to the rules of the game, and one contemplating an elevated budget midway between the CtPG number and the luxury tax threshold. The lineups I propose also progress from largely achievable to something like fan-fiction, dependent on some trade scenarios that other teams’ GMs might find unappetizing. 

I’ll give away the store by stating my candidate list and projected lineups upfront, and provide iterations that progress, left to right, from the most probable and least expensive to the most speculative and most capital-intensive.

The following list is a shopping list – I’m not suggesting the team pick up every player on this list, but some permutation thereof. I’m in each case using the more modest salary projection from Fangraphs or MLBTR, just for the sake of the game, though we all know that the Angels often have to pay a premium to outbid other teams for player services.


Subtractions

All scenarios assume we non-tender Connor Brogdon, Carson Fullmer and Carter Kieboom, and trade Taylor Ward, to start with a baseline budget of +$40M for new additions. Scenarios C and D explore potential trades of Jo Adell and Logan O’Hoppe, bringing available spend to $48M. (Scenario D also contemplates a 2023-level payroll of $227M, and a budget of +$65M.)

Acquisition Targets

Free Agents

  • Harrison Bader (OF), 2yrs, $24M (’26: $10M, ‘27: $14M)
  • Cody Bellinger (OF), 5 yrs, $135M (’26: $24M, ’27-30: $29M)
  • Mike Yastrzemski (OF), 1yr, $8M (+ $2M buyout, mutual option)
  • Jake Fraley (OF), 1yr, $2M
  • Jorge Polanco (2B/3B), 3yrs, $42M (’26: $12M, ‘27-28: $15M)
  • Song Sung-mun (3B/IF), 2yrs, $10M (’26: $3M, ’27:$5M, $2M buyout / option)
  • Cody Ponce (SP), 2yrs, $16M (’26: $7M, ’27: $9M)
  • Erasmo Ramirez, 1yr, $1M
  • Josh Winckowski, 1yr, $800k
  • Phil Maton (RP), 1yr, $5M
  • Minor league deals: Nolan Gorman (3B)

Trade Targets

  • MLB (pitching): Javier Assad (SP), Craig Yoho (RP)
  • MLB (positional): Ryan Ward (OF), Alex Freeland (3B/IF), Jeferson Quero (C), Kevin Alcantara (OF)
  • MiLB (positional): James Tibbs (OF), Andrew Fischer (3B/1B), Josiah Hartshorn (OF)

Trade analysis to follow below.


Projected Lineups

Scenario AScenario BScenario CScenario D
Rada, L, LFRada, L, CFRada, L, LFRada, L, LF
Neto, R, SSNeto, R, SSNeto, R, SSNeto, R, SS
Schanuel, L, 1BBellinger, L, LFSchanuel, L, 1BBellinger, L, RF
Trout, R, DHTrout, R, DHTrout, R, DHTrout, R, DH
Adell, R, RFAdell, R, RFPolanco, S, 2BPolanco, S. 2B
Polanco, S, 2BSchanuel, L, 1BYastrzemski, L, RFSchanuel, L, 1B
Song, L, 3BPolanco, S, 2BFreeland, S, 3BFreeland, S, 3B
O’Hoppe, R, CO’Hoppe, R, CJ Quero, R, CJ Quero, R, C
Bader, R, CFSong, L, 3BBader, R, CFBader, R, CF
D’ArnaudD’ArnaudD’ArnaudD’Arnaud
FraleyR. WardAlcantaraAlcantara
R. WardSolerR. WardR. Ward
SolerGormanSolerSoler
GuzmanGuzmanGuzmanGuzman
Kikuchi (SP)Kikuchi (SP)Kikuchi (SP)Kikuchi (SP)
Soriano (SP)Soriano (SP)Soriano (SP)Soriano (SP)
Detmers (SP)Detmers (SP)Detmers (SP)Detmers (SP)
Rodriguez (SP)Rodriguez (SP)Ponce (SP)Ponce (SP)
Ponce (SP)Erasmo (SP/LR)Assad (SP)Assad (SP)
Erasmo (SP/LR)Winckowski (SP/LR)Rodriguez (SP)Rodriguez (SP)
Winckowski (SP/LR)SilsethErasmo (SP/LR)Erasmo (SP/LR)
KlassenKlassenStephensonStephenson
LawyersonLawyersonYohoYoho
BurkeBurkeLawyersonLawyerson
StephensonStephensonBurkeBurke
JoyceJoyceMatonHelsley

SCENARIO A 

My baseline scenario is probably the most realistic – it leans on acquirable targets in free agency, and demands no esoteric trades.

In this scenario, the Halos get a veteran centerfielder with consistently plus defensive metrics in Harrison Bader, place Rada in LF (with Trout occasionally rotating in as the ego demands), and retain Adell in RF. Significant defensive improvement.

A bench that includes Fraley and PCL MVP Ryan Ward offers left-handed versatility in the outfield, with a mix portfolio of pop, contact and glove depending on the player. Fraley, non-tendered by the Rays this week, typically maintains above-average walk rates, and keeps his Ks in check, while Ward is a slugger who is buried in the Dodgers organization (notes on him below). Given Trout’s and Soler’s penchant for injury, I’m reserving more of the bench for outfield depth here.

Polanco, solid infield bat and glove and one of the steadiest contributors in the game going back eight seasons, takes over daily duties at the keystone, while we take a chance on the Korean slugger Song Sung-Mun at the hot corner, with Guzman in reserve for all three left-infield slots. Both Song and Guzman offer positional flexibility and utility characteristics, with above-average gloves, thus allowing the team to mix-and-match across the dirt as the long season wends on.

Joining the rotation, as another Korean import, is Cody Ponce. There’s much to be said about this guy, but he completely remade himself in the KBO – rebuilt his body, added velocity, and developed a killer splitter – he may be one of the great bargains of the 2026 draft class. 

The rotation also picks up some “cheap eats” in Erasmo Ramirez and recently DFA’d Josh Winckowski – depth starter candidates who can also provide bulk relief in the middle innings. Essentially a “four for two” scenario with Ponce and Rodriguez to fill the 4/5 slots in a dodgy rotation that lacks elite arms given present payroll limitations.


SCENARIO B

Scenario B retains Polanco at 2B, and Song at 3B, but takes a bigger swing with Cody Bellinger.

I know some Halos fans are not hot on Bellinger in part due to his tenure on two much-hated behemoths (Dodgers, Yankees), but there’s not a tier one player on the free agent market who checks as many boxes for the Angels as Bellinger does. Plays defense at a high level at all OF positions. Is left-handed. Is a model of bat control, with a K-rate below 16% each of the past three seasons, in which he’s averaged an OPS+ 25% better than the average MLB hitter. He has no QO attached, so there’s no hit to the farm system. For Moreno, he’s billboard ready.

The only real knock on Bellinger, outside of a contract that’s likely to be 5-6 years at $25-30M AAV, is that his home/road splits in 2025 definitely favored Yankees Stadium. But those same splits really weren’t in evidence with the Cubs, and there were several seasons he hit better at Dodgers Stadium, not exactly a hitter’s park with its evening marine layer. While Bellinger benefitted from the Yankees short porch, I don’t think it’s definitive or that he wouldn’t adjust to a new park. I think his skill set will travel, and we’d be getting him largely before the age curve sets in, in his age 30-34 seasons.

To afford Bellinger, I back-weight the contract a bit, and regrettably subtract Bader, Fraley and Ponce from the free agent list. This moves Rada to centerfield, his natural position. But it also produces a daily lineup and outfield that feels much more like that of an MLB contender, with a good balance of handedness, contact, and power. On the bench, I weight a bit more toward power and infield depth, adding LH Nolan Gorman in a trade, as SB insurance vs Song and Guzman.

The downside of this scenario and a $210M payroll is less depth in the rotation (likely requiring the team to lean on folks like Aldegheri, Farris, Dana or other in-house options down the stretch), and more of home-brew bullpen situation, requiring the team to look more toward the farm, and abandon reliever-conversion projects with guys like Klassen, Hurtado and Cortez.


SCENARIO C

This scenario returns to our baseline A scenario, with free agent pickups of Bader, Polanco and Ponce, but sees what we might get if we trade Jo Adell and Logan O’Hoppe for players with multiple years of control and near-MLB prospects. Can we solve some problems more durably than some of the patchwork solutions found in free agency? Likewise, can we turn some of the prospects we have enduring questions about (Christian Moore, Caden Dana) into players with a stronger fit it the organization?

Target one: the Dodgers’ Alex Freeland.

Freeman is pretty blocked in LA as a natural shortstop on a team with Mookie at short and Muncy at third. You can imagine him in a rotation with Kim and Edman at 2B, but he’s largely a depth and utility piece at the moment. I don’t want to suggest that he’s the holy grail solution for the Angels at 3B, but he does offer a more defensively sound replacement for Luis Rengifo there, while also offering super-ute flexibility across the diamond and potentially the outfield. I think he can mature into a good glove with a solid average and 15-20 HRs with regular play.

It’s hard to say what the appetite for Adell would be on the Dodgers, but I think this is pretty fair trade that doesn’t subtract much from the LAD’s depth, and also returns a AA prospect with great BB rates and left handed pop (20 HRs in ’25) who might prove a potential replacement for Adell down the road.

But what if we could shop Adell elsewhere, for a more diversified return, and craft a package for the Dodgers that still returns Freeland without Adell being the centerpiece? Here are a couple exchanges that might do the trick:

Yes, it hurts a little to lose Lugo, but the upside projection for Lugo actually looks a lot like Alex Freeland, roughly 3-4 years down the road. And Kent is one of nearly a dozen young developmental arms in the Angels’ organization at this point. This I follow up with an exchange that’s a bit more speculative, but which I like quite a bit:

In this instance, the Angels bring back an MLB-ready OF to swap in for Adell, and a longer horizon slugger with an Orange County pedigree to ballast the farm. Along the way, the Angels nab a young backend starter with three years of control to join Ponce and Rodriguez and add depth to the rotation. Alcantara is a big 6’6″ athlete who is a 60-grade runner with 70-grade raw power and a plus glove in centerfield. He has some hit tool concerns, like Adell did/does, but the secondary tools make him a much more projectable weapon in the near term.

Now we progress to my final trade scenario, and this one might be the most fantasy oriented. How about we upgrade our battery and swap in a projectable catcher whose glove and game-calling we feel confident about?

On the one hand, leaving Dana and Fischer out of this trade might make it more plausible, but why not get spicy here at the end? The Brewers are rumored to be seeking an offense-oriented middle infielder they can pair with emerging franchise player Brice Turang, and a catcher to pair will primary backstop Contreras. The acquisition of O’Hoppe blocks Quero in this scenario, and we get a catcher with strong contact skills and low K rate, solid-average power, and a big, big arm with strong blocking skill behind the plate.

We also acquire a late reliever in Craig Yoho with an elite changeup (comped with Devin Williams’ airbender) who led all qualified MiLB relievers in ERA and K-rate for two seasons in a row.

The more reach-y component of the trade is Fischer for Dana – do the Brewers want a young project starter with lots of nice secondaries but FB command and sequencing issues? Do they want to give up a just-drafted slugging 3B to complete this package? (Well, at minimum, let’s try to believe in the Moore for Quero swap and leave the other prospects for the outer lands of the imagination.)

Wrapping up, the additional savings of $8M by letting go of Adell and O’Hoppe also allows us some room to play in free agency a bit. I bring in a reliable reliever with a good four year track record in Phil Maton, and a good bridge piece in Mike Yastrzemski to more gently transition the team to the next generation of outfielders (Alcantara, Raudi, Rada, Hartshorn) we’ve brought into the mix.

This lineup trades some slugging for a deeper rotation and bullpen, and more of a prospect pipeline and expanded young MLB core.


SCENARIO D

Scenario D is what it looks like – an all-of-the-above strategy that comes at a little bit of a premium above Jeff’s $210 median payroll estimate. We acquire both Bader and Bellinger, plus Polanco and Ponce – while turning aside some of the fringier concepts like Yaz, Song and Fraley. We also inherit our trade pieces from scenario C, with long horizon players at catcher, outfield and third base. We even upgrade our bullpen acquisition from Maton to veteran closer Ryan Helsley – a guy looking for a little redemption after 3.5 excellent years, but a rough two months in Flushing with the Metropolitans. Depending on his cost, final payroll for this package is still likely only $227M-$230M. Both well under the luxury tax threshold, and within a zone of historical precedent for the Angels.

I think that roster even looks a little, well, contender-ish. Or at least a mite better than .500 – a mark the team hasn’t sniffed in over a decade.


Addenda

I wasn’t explicit above about how I might procure the lesser players like Ward and Gorman, so let’s quickly cover that (though I think there are several alternatives, as they were already 40 man bubble players).

Gorman is a known quantity, but Ryan Ward may be new to many of you.

Ryan Ward is a lefty big bopper on the bubble end of a Dodgers 40-man crunch. A couple more free agent acquisitions, and he’s likely to be available for a song. He has a ton of raw and in-game power, and his K rate has declined markedly over three full seasons at AAA Oklahoma City – he has solid bat control and hard contact to match. That said, he’s defensively limited to an outfield corner and 1B, and the Dodgers have the deepest system in baseball in terms of outfield talent, so he’s well down the totem pole.

In an ideal world, Ward is actually a feasible replacement for the current Taylor Ward, though less sure of a bet. I like him as a 4th outfielder that you roster and give 300-400 PAs as a platoon weapon, or a guy you bring off the bench as a substitute for Schanuel when you need more than a PH single late in a game.

Since the trade of Taylor Ward came right in the middle of me drafting this piece, I think it’s worth looking at the trade I had previously queued up for him in my own sim:

No team had been rumored to be more attached to Taylor Ward than the Royals, so this seemed like a natural match.

In this trade, we wind back the clock to July of 2025, when the Royals traded their backup catcher for two pitchers in Ryan Bergert and Stephen Kolek, both of whom saw some late season success in the Royals’ rotation. Kolek in particular can profile as both starter or reliever. The Royals have enough depth to absorb the subtraction of two players they didn’t have mid-season last, and I have to think they would have traded a backup catcher for Ward had he been available, no?

One caveat: Bergert experienced some elbow discomfort that put him on the IL in September, so there’s always the specter of TJ in his future. But he was also a top-three prospect in the Padres org, with a reliable backend starter profile and six years of control, so even if he goes under the knife in the future, the team is likely to get 3-4 serviceable years out of him in the future. So in many ways, this is very like the Gray-Rod trade, with an insurance policy in Kolek. No doubt exchange in my book, but it’s alt-history at this point.

First Principles & Motivating Factors

Finally, much like Gitch, I began this exercise by mooring myself to some philosophical precepts before grilling the meat. This may be a bit tl;dr for most readers, so I’ll leave them here at the end of the assignment.

This is not a normal team. It’s an unmoored team in a perpetual doom loop and state of constant low-level crisis. No rational course of roster-building is likely to find root in the IRL Angels, but this is only a simulation, so I’ll simply pretend that the rational is still possible in Anaheim, and their moneyed hedgehog of an owner is responsive to organizational improvement respecting certain constraints.

The Angels aren’t near their contention window in 2026. I don’t think anyone on this site, save perhaps RexFregosi (hi Rex!), would disagree with that statement. The Angels’ contention window is more plausibly imagined, should they break a decade-long cycle of water-treading, in 2028-2030.

The Angels need help at virtually every position outside of shortstop, and investing in first base seems rather inefficient given the playoffs are several years out, so Schanuel and Neto are essentially givens on the roster. 

With that, however, investing in the outfield and 2B/3B seems justifiable and well-targeted, as the team has very little coming up from the farm in the next couple of years to fill holes in these areas.

Meanwhile, the Angels do not appear to have the budget or win potential to justify playing in the deep end of the free agent pitching pool this year, though they do have a deep well of MiLB pitching talent 3+ years out. While not investing in frontline pitching limits the team’s current ceiling, it still makes more sense to go with youth and quantity in the backend of the rotation, and patch a few holes on short deals with mid-career journeymen.

If you assume, like I do, that the team is not contending in the next two years, there’s little reason not to trade marketable players on expiring contracts for whatever may come, and do the same with MLB-ready prospects that we have long-term doubts about.

Also, if you assume, like I do, that the team is not contending soon, then we have plenty of flexibility to let a few prospects sink or swim, and see what we have with them. Nelson Rada and Denzer Guzman are two such prospects I’d like to roster in 2026. 

Lastly, given budget limitations, it’s a good moment to wrap up some of the club’s reliever-to-starter conversion projects.  Prospects like Klassen, Cortez, Hurtado, Natera Jr? Let’s just point them straight to the MLB bullpen, and land them there sooner rather than later.


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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I love pretty much all of this. Of Course Plan D is a total dream, but I’d take it if it could happen. I really like plan C. I know Fan71 is doing a tear down too. I like how there is such a wide range of ways to tear this team down and start a rebuild.

I don’t even care about the MLB roster that much right now but if you came out with Polanco, Sung-mun and an OF I’d be pretty happy. Coming into 2026-28 with a pile of Ryan Ward, Alex Freeland, Alcantera, Bergert, Yoho, Tibbs, Hartshorn, Fisher? Hell yeah, sign me up.

My only issue is I hate Bellinger. I don’t want to pay him. I also feel like we tend to ignore the fact that he doesn’t really play CF any more. Fisher too. I like him. I’d take him. But is he gonna end up at 1B? Probably. My secret passionate love on your list is Yoho. I really like him… but I didn’t try to trade for him cause I get the sense the Brewers also really like him. And Alcantara. If we could get the Cubs to let us have him I’d be pretty happy.

You are so right on Freeland being Lugo. Unless Lugo just explodes physically in the years to come he basically will be Freeland.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
1 month ago

Can confidently say all of this is better than what we will do. Good stuff.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago

The first rule of acquiring Ponce is don’t mention Ponce.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago

Great work. Awesome. You beat me to Ponce. I started mapping out mine and he was in it. Truthfully – while he’s likely a big surprise here – all the MLB teams are on him. I heard his stuff is so much better, they are seeing him as a potential 2 or 3 so it will be competitive. I’m not expecting much this season, but funny things happen. So many unknowns. So many guys like Adell and Moore could break out or lay eggs. Trout. Could he have a bounce back All Star quality year? Of course he could, but the trend hasn’t been in his favor. I’m realistic that we will be sellers at the deadline. Hopefully we have some guys with some value. Maybe we hit the jackpot and Rendon starts hot and we can sell him for something. Oh and the answer is “yes, I do think I am going to win the lottery every time I play.” LOL

...Rev Halofan
Editor
Trusted Member
1 month ago

I’ve read this article three times over two days and the one thing I am certain of is the Angels need to hire Turks Teeth as GM, wow.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

I like you’re Adell trade

2002heaven
Super Member
1 month ago

FIRST THINGS FIRST…….FIRE EVERYBODY!!! PERRY, JOE NEED TO GO YESTERDAY….
New bold strategy trade Neto, Soria, and Adell because we suck and will need top tier level youngsters that can play in one year or less. beef up Latin America and American HS scouting and coaching development. This is all utterly ridiculous

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

Another great job and effort. Reading these IIWPMs though for me is like drinking to feel better. You get excited at first by the realistic possibilities and then deeply depressed by the actual reality. Any of them would be better than what we’ll likely actually do which is a huge condemnation of Perry and Arte.

I completely agree with Rex that the biggest need is pitching but I also agree that our window is not in 26 or 27 but 28 and beyond. I also agree that we don’t have organizational options for some positions and that we need to get better defensively even if it means we are a little light offensively for now. If we’re not willing to go full tear down I would really like to see us incrementally improve the roster as we move forward and start building our farm.

I do agree with Gitch regarding Moore and Lugo, and I would definitely like to see Quero behind the plate. But you do have to trade something to get something. Ward and Gorman are also very interesting ideas to consider.

The good news is Perry did add 1 SP last year and this year. I would be very excited if we spent the money on Bellinger, Polanco to play 2B, Ponce, and Song to play 3B which according to your figures could cost 44M, and trade Adel which covers it. In the event we decided to increase spending a little we could sign the Japanese 3B. That’s my cheating shorthand if I were Perry.

Kevin
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Question: why is everyone on the Quero bandwagon suddenly? The Halos have two decent catchers now. It’s one of the only spots they have decent depth at. I don’t get what the fuss is all about.

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Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin

Because our catching defense is awful and Quero has already demonstrated solid defense at the major league level. And, he has lots of club control years.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Kevin

We also have some solid, though distant, catching prospects.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

It is a hopeful sign that PTPARTE was willing to trade Ward for a player 90% of the honks have never heard of that is a high risk/reward starter. Maybe they are leaning toward more build less load….

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Thanks for the read, Turk. Exhaustive and insightful.

I’m the sentimental type, so guess I’d opt for one of your first two packages. Bring in a couple nice bats, stay the starting-pitching course, throw Klassen into the mix as a potential stud long-relief guy, fingers crossed. (Though I don’t think 20-year-old Rada with his 0 MLB ABs is ready to start yet… unless he goes nuts in spring training.) Ponse is a great “find.”

I feel like the wheels come off a bit on the back nine… the thought of trading J. Lugo, for instance, makes me want to vomit. But mostly it’s the Freeland and Moore stuff. You’re essentially hitching our 2026 wagon to a 24-year-old rookie who slashed .190/.292/.310 in limited MLB action last year and tossing out a 22-year-old rookie who performed similarly (and is two years younger, remember).

Freeland looks like a fine prospect, but is he going to be a better hitter than Moore in 2026? I wonder why anyone would think so. He only managed to hit .260 in AAA last season… again, as a 24-year-old. Scouting reports rave about his pitch recognition, but if that elite recognition only nets you a .260 average in AAA, guess I’d rather have Moore’s elite bat speed and still-developing potential to read pitches. Moore slashed .292/.370/.483 last year in AAA before his promotion… better than Freeland and, again, he did it as a 22-year-old. Sorry to keep harping on that, but those two years are massively meaningful in player-development terms.

It’s also why dismissing him and citing “our” longstanding reservations about his ability/potential is a little disingenuous. What did you expect him to do last season, a year removed from college? Win ROY? I mean, I wish he was Nick Kurtz, too… but those don’t fall off trees.

I realize his glove is less certain and useful than Freeland’s. So that’s a factor. But Adell seems like waaaaay too steep a price. Would rather sign the Korean feller per your first two scenarios, try to make Moore work at second. Maybe move him to LF… which seems like where he was headed from the outset, anyway. Or at least get a higher-upside bat for Adell… like Sal Stewart in Cincinnati? Seems a little blocked there.

Anyway, if there was a way to spring Quero loose without giving up on Moore, I’m all for it. Would be nice to have a Quero behind the dish again.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I actually like the idea of getting a really good 2B prospect and moving young Moore to the OF. He can still take reps at 2B, but if his bat develops more easily playing LF then cool. Moore/Rada as future OF is great.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
1 month ago

Great stuff as always.

By going with Song for third base that really helps add more talent while staying within the budget.

I still think trading Adell is the smart move. I’m not counting on Trout to play a full season in left. Adell can be used to fill other needs.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Hey Jeff. Could you please let me know if you got my IIWPM? No rush – just want to make sure you received it.

Last edited 1 month ago by Fansince1971
Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 month ago

So in depth. I love it.

Do you really feel like Rada is ready for the show?

We are traveling for Thanksgiving so I’ll give this a deep dive and respond in kind but props to you for such a great piece!

Last edited 1 month ago by Biggiswrth
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

If he was 2 years older, you wouldn’t even question it. He did nothing in AAA to convince me he isn’t ready even though he;s young and he brings plus CF defense with speed and OBA, both of which this club needs. And he’s cheap.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

100%. Get him the reps. Lots of them. If y’all haven’t seen him much, you’re going to love him (unless you’re only enamored by the long ball). Seeing what the Brewers are doing with smaller guys is so encouraging. He needs to hit more gaps – but that will come with some size and age. The times I’ve watched him, I love his engine. He reminded me of a young Dykstra.

Kevin
Trusted Member
1 month ago

I always enjoy your pieces and insight. As few quick observations. The Halos OF/DH seems destined to start with Adell, Trout, Soler and a left-handed hitting CF, the matter via acquisition or Rada. But you have gone out of your way not to start with same, including in your realistic view. I’m also unsure what the failure to drop the three players you noted does, although I guess there is still time. I like Brogdon’s stuff enough to keep him.

I think the Halos have signaled they are looking for upgrades in pitching, a lefty-hitting OF, a 3B and that’s about it other than cheap depth. I agree they could spend up to $244 million. But I doubt they will. They could defer some money via a deal to get around Rendon’s albatross last year. I’m unsure about that also.

I expect they will make a real run at the Japanese HR king for 3B. Hopefully, he’s talented. They will tackle it for marketing and talent.

I expect Kenley back for $12 million. They need someone, especially with Joyce hurt and Detmers heading to the rotation. I suspect the back of the rotation to be soft with prospects hoped to contribute over the year including the 2025 first rounder.

I think that leaves us mostly with fill-ins and maybe one foreign acquisition.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I would seriously attempt to move Soler. Even if you saved 1/2 his salary it would be worth it.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I’d be fine with Lugo, Rada, and Bellinger, after trading Adell

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I don’t disagree and understand. You are more knowledgeable about this than I.

Kevin
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

How are the Halos outbidding anyone for Bellinger? I don’t see it. And more than likely any outfield with Lugo and Rada at two spots starts the season as one of the worst OFs in the league on paper. I undertake the youth movement because they will be bad anyway. Yet, barring any huge developments, this scenario would be really bad.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin

I don’t agree with you but doesn’t make me right necessarily. I do think we could sign Bellinger and I do think that OF would be just fine But Turks has proposed trading for some guys who could play left and I would be OK with that. We’re not winning this year or filling every hole so I would be OK either way.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I think Bellinger is a LF. I think Fraley, Austin Hayes, Max Keppler all give you 70% of what Belli is gonna give you at 1/16 the cost.

Kevin
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Understood. I see things more with Trout and Soler rotating in the OF and DH spots with 70-75 percent of OF play being divided between them at least for the first half of the season. At that point, maybe Soler gets traded or released depending on how he is doing. Adell will play almost every game. You then have the CF spot which is a wildcard and the defensive backup for late innings and occasional OF rotation.

For the IF, they will try to get Moore in as a starter to begin the season. Unless he is awful in spring training, it seems Perry feels he has to make good on that pick. Hence, you are going to have Neto, Schanuel, Moore and someone else at IF with a utility backup.

Again, it’s hard to see it being a good team. The SP will be what you lead with: Soriano (injury risk), Kikuchi, Detmers (wildcard), Grayson (who knows due to injury and talent), plus a fifth starter. That isn’t good. In most scenarios, you don’t have them signing a closer and are relying on Joyce. He’s unpredictable due to injury and performance. At least having a reliable closer will allow them to win games they should win.

The only way the team is good is via outlier performances from some position players (Schanuel, O’Hoppe), unusually good results from Detmers and Grayson, plus useful key new additions at 3B and OF. I don’t see why Muncy is attractive. He’s another low average big swing and miss guy. They have enough of those albeit he can bat lefty. They like wind up with Mullins in CF which isn’t good or someone like that.

It’s a shame really.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

In 27-28 you’ll have at least seen tape on all the lower level pitching prospects too.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Kevin

Why do we need Kenley? He’s good… or has been. But he was also useless for the last third of the season. We don’t need a closer and, if anything, we need to get some kids some leverage inning experience.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago

Couple of additional thoughts as I read this a bit more.

I like the trade with the Brewers for Quero. I considered a trade for him as part of my IIWPM but ultimately decided catcher was not as big of a hole as others.

I think the trades with the Dodgers are interesting but I would doubt they would have any interest in Adell as they are so deep in outfielders in their Org. Also, in my opinion the current management is resistant to trades with the Angels as they do not want to potentially help the team they feel is competition for “LA”.

Overall some really interesting stuff. Thank you for investing so much of your time!

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

I’d keep O”Hoppe playing. If he is good, and you want to trade him, you will get a good return. If he sucks you can still trade him and get a defender.

angelslogic
Legend
1 month ago

I noticed that Mr.-Made-of-Glass Rendon isn’t even listed once among the four 26-man rosters you propose.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad about that. But someone making all those millions not even being considered fit for the bench is utterly appalling.

The team just needs to cut the guy already. Maybe some of the negative ju ju will leave with him.

Jeff Joiner
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1 month ago
Reply to  angelslogic

He’s not on my roster either.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Because we are all assuming this I am sure he will play 140 games and have at least a .750 OPS.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 month ago

There a a bunch of holes but the main thing is lack of elite arms. Unless or until that’s fixed, it’s going nowhere. Getting guys like Bader/Polanco even Bellinger or Bregman seems reasonable and also seems like same old Angels.

So I’m taking that $40+M and will welcome Framber and Gallen/Cease… I want to win in 2026 (my philosophy aka mission) and that would be the best chance to do it. All the kids will be better in 2026 with another year under their belt but it will take better pitching.

I’d like cheap eats for 3B. Song ✅

Moore – not even in Anaheim? Others say this too.
I think he will be starting at 2B. Or at the least would make a roster over Guzman.

tanana40
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Hi Turk’s Teeth

Thanks for your post here and I wish you were in charge of the team! What do you think of Christian Moore? I know you traded him in one scenario. You were never real high on him, but what do you think of his future after seeing him this year in Anaheim?

tanana40
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Thanks!

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

You are so on-point with this response Turks. Rex will forever be the optimist- like when he guaranteed that Ohtani would stay an Angel. I enjoy optimism but do not see it as being of value with the current state of the Organization. Realism is what is needed and sometimes that isn’t fun.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Yep – they will come off the ledger just as the players are locked out. Hopefully Arte sells within the next year or two and the new owner can spend generously and wisely in 2028.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Actually I’m as pessimistic as I’ve ever been. If im realistic, i dont think the Angels will sign anyone except maybe a mid level IF.

I think if you include Paris, Lugo, Rada, Teo, Adell plus the two DH, that’s plenty. Plenty of young pitchers too.

Arte doesn’t care and doesn’t plan to spend and win. But my IIWPM will simply be spend every nickel on pitching and play the kids.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

But…. what about GO FOR IT!?

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago

Super awesome and comprehensive but not really a IIWPM (with corresponding guidelines). But you admit this from the beginning. This is way better than I think Perry or most GMs could ever do. It’s more of a manifesto of a brilliant baseball mind. It is deserving of much praise. Wow!

Ps – Arte won’t spend the money you need 😉

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I did an initial read through and will digest in more detail in additional read throughs.

By the way, Yazstremski is very high on my list as well for a 1 year deal. He is a gamer.

Unlike you, I don’t feel anyone is a given for the roster. In mine, I trade Neto, Schanuel and others. It’s time to burn it down in my opinion.

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Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

You do a very good job of identifying the underlying problems with this organization in the last section. I particularly liked and agreed with this:

“This is not a normal team. It’s an unmoored team in a perpetual doom loop and state of constant low-level crisis. No rational course of roster-building is likely to find root in the IRL Angels, but this is only a simulation, so I’ll simply pretend that the rational is still possible in Anaheim, and their moneyed hedgehog of an owner is responsive to organizational improvement respecting certain constraints.“

This type of underlying philosophical reality forms the basis for my own IIWPM piece. Like you, my focus was not to predict what Perry might actually do, but to focus on what I would do with an organization, such as this under the circumstances.

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